Talk:January 6 United States Capitol attack

Numbers

Is "thousands" still really the best estimate of the number of those participating in the insurrection? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Military-grade gas?

Is it true that those participating in the insurrection were carrying military-grade gas, and, if so, where could they have obtained such equipment? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Senate hearings

Shouldn't information (or at least the dates) of the Senate hearings into the 2021 storming of the U.S. Capitol be included in this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

RFC notification

I have started a discussion at [1]] regarding whether the events of January 2021 should be considered a coup in the United States. Your comments are appreciated. power~enwiki (π, ν) 06:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Why are we still counting five dead?

When Officer Brian Sicknick first died, there had been numerous false reports that he had been beaten by a fire extinguisher, and it seemed reasonable to suppose that likely had something to do with his sudden death. We now know he wasn't beaten, and that he reported no health problems after the storming. He happened to die the next day. Why is there still a presumption his death was related to the storming? Also included among the dead are two other people, Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Phillips, who appear not to have anything to do with any violence. It seems there were only two people who were killed as a result of the storming, and one of those was an unarmed victim of a police shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMarshCTR (talk • contribs) 15:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Half agree [[2]] Makes it clear there is still confusion as to how he died. But "due to injuries sustained while on-duty." is still what the police say, So whilst we do not know why he dies, we know he did as a result of injuries sustained while on-duty at the riot.Slatersteven (talk) 15:47, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

We don't count five dead. We report that reliable secondary sources say "five dead". Unless someone can post links to multiple high-quality sources that give another number, we will continue to report what is in the sources. We don't decide how Brian Sicknick died. We report what the sources say ("injuries sustained while on-duty at the riot"). When the sources get more details, so will we. We don't decide whether Brian Sicknick is one of the five. We report whether reliable sources say that Brian Sicknick is one of the five. Even if we are convinced that the sources are wrong we report what is in the sources. Don't like it? Take it up with The Guardian[3] and The Wall Street Journal.[4] --Guy Macon (talk) 18:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Hence why I only half agree, we can't say what he died of (as that seems to be up for doubt) but it is clear he died as a result of being on duty at the riots, so we can say that.Slatersteven (talk) 18:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Sicknick didn't die "during the event," as this article says, he died the following day, according to reliable sources. News reports are the first take on history and get corrected as we learn more. This article should reflect that. It should also state to what extent the deaths of people following the attack were the results of it. TFD (talk) 03:43, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

What the sources say is that Sicknick sustained injuries during the riot, and died of a stroke the next day. Have clarified that. Sources refer to 7 deaths including the two police officers who committed suicide after the event, I think that's adequately covered. . . dave souza, talk 18:07, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, that brings up something that has been bugging me for awhile now. We count the number of people charged which includes those charged after the event, but we do not count any arrests made that day or afterwards, and we only count deaths that occurred that day while not counting any afterward that were in relation to the attack. It feels a bit inconsistent to me. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Video and social media

The video showed at the rally is remarkable stuff, but so far Wikipedia doesn't mention any video at all.

I also think there was a social media facet that we have not mentioned. This article has some interesting conclusions: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/02/01/civil-war-during-trumps-pre-riot-speech-parler-talk-grew-darker/4297165001/

A reader might think a Presidential speech riled up a crowd. But this isn't 1921, or 1821. There was a remarkable video during the rally, and there was a surge in civil war discussions in cyberspace. I'm not sure how to cover all of this, but do think we're still missing key facets of that day's events. Mcfnord (talk) 04:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Coup attempt

Is there a reason this is put in the coup category? Violent insurrection and riot seem like more accurate terms. The infobox itself does not say coup so it's a bit confusing.--66.215.219.189 (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)