Talk:ByteDance

06-MAY-2018

Sufficent scale of business and sources provided to be notable. Copyvio check passed on acceptance. Legacypac (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

Hello, My Name is Shaima, I'm paid by Kaoru Nakano for my contributions to ByteDance.

I'd like to suggest some changes and updates to this article.

Here is my version of the article.

Draft

ByteDance Technology Co Ltd. 字节跳动 File:ByteDance Logo.png Company type Privately held company Industry Internet Founded March 2012 (2012-03) Founder Zhang Yiming Headquarters Beijing , China Areas served Worldwide Products Toutiao TikTok BuzzVideo Vigo Video Website www.bytedance.com ByteDance (Chinese: 字节跳动; pinyin: Zìjié Tiàodòng) is a Chinese Internet technology company operating several content platforms, headquartered in Beijing. It was founded by Zhang Yiming in 2012. One of ByteDance's core products, Toutiao ("Headlines"), is a popular content platform in China and worldwide. Toutiao started out as a news recommendation engine and gradually evolved into a platform delivering content in a variety of formats, such as texts, images, question-and-answer posts, microblogs, and videos. Toutiao offers its users personalized information feeds that are powered by smart recommendation algorithms. A content feed is updated based on what the machine learns about a user’s reading preferences. ByteDance also pioneered the video-sharing mobile app TikTok in markets outside of China. After it acquired music start-up musical.ly, the company combined the two platforms into a single application under the TikTok name. It also runs Helo, BuzzVideo and Vigo Video. ByteDance had over 800 million daily active users (over 1 billion accumulated users) across all of its content platforms as of November 2018. The company was valued at $78 billion as of November 2018 and is considered one of the most valuable unicorns in the world. In May 2019, media reported on ByteDance’s plans to launch a new app for music streaming. The company has reportedly started negotiations with well-known music labels. Creation of Neihan Duanzi (2012) In March 2012, ByteDance launched its first app called Neihan Duanzi (内涵段子). This app allowed users to circulates jokes, memes, and humorous videos. At its peak, Neihan Duanzi had over 200 million users in 2017. On 10 April 2018, ByteDance permanently sunset Neihan Duanzi, as the State Administration of Radio and Television accused Neihan Duanzi of hosting “vulgar” and “improper” content and “triggering strong sentiments of resentment among internet users”. Creation of Toutiao (2012) In August 2012, ByteDance launched its second app called Toutiao (今日头条). Zhang's personal experiences motivated him to find better ways to access information. For example, in 2008, to tackle the challenge of buying train tickets during holiday seasons, Zhang created a program that checked the availability of train tickets automatically. Half an hour after completing the program, he received a notice by SMS and bought a ticket successfully. In 2011, Zhang noticed that fewer and fewer people were reading newspapers. At the same time, smartphone sales in America were soaring. Zhang capitalized on this growth in the usage of mobile devices and incorporated AI technology into a product that aimed to transform how information is being consumed. The first version of Toutiao was launched in August 2012, five months after Zhang founded ByteDance. It was a simple mobile-only news app but with two features that people had not seen before in China: 1) stories were pushed to users rather than the users needing to search for keywords or find accounts to follow; 2) the more users clicked on content, the more Toutiao learned their tastes and interests, and refined its recommendations. Toutiao quickly accumulated large numbers of downloads and hit 1 million DAU only four months after its launch. Development (2013-2014) From 2013, Toutiao expanded to offer content in more categories and formats. In January 2014, the company created the “Toutiaohao” (头条号) platform to attract more PGC (professionally generated content) and UGC (user generated content) creators; and later in the year, added video capabilities. As its creator community grew, Toutiao used interest-based and decentralized distribution to help long-tail content creators find an audience. An often cited example is “Zhuguan Baba”, a young pig farmer in Northern China whose posts on how to raise pigs attracted millions of readers on Toutiao. To encourage more individual or small-team creators to use its platform, Toutiao also launched incentive programs in 2014. These programs ranged from offering office space and tools, to guaranteeing minimum monthly incomes upon meeting key targets such as read rates and number of articles. Earlier in 2014, Toutiao began monetizing via advertising. Diversification and globalization (2015-2018) Short-form video platforms Between 2015-2017, the company rolled out and acquired a series of short-form video apps, including: Xigua Video (西瓜视频, formerly known as “Toutiao Video”), BuzzVideo (formerly “TopBuzz Video”), Douyin (抖音, for China market), TikTok (for markets outside of China), Huoshan (火山, international version: Vigo Video), musical.ly, and others. Extending global reach As of 2018, ByteDance has a global footprint, with operations in Japan, South Korea, Southeast Asia, North America, Europe, Brazil, and India. ByteDance launched TopBuzz in August 2015, a content platform for videos, articles, breaking news and GIFs in the U.S. and later in Brazil in 2016. ByteDance launched PGC short video platform TopBuzz Video in Japan in September 2016. In October 2016, ByteDance invested in India’s largest vernacular content aggregation platform Dailyhunt. In December 2016, ByteDance invested in Indonesian news recommendation platform BABE. In February 2017, ByteDance acquired Flipagram, a US-based popular short-form video app. In July 2017, ByteDance launched UGC short video platform Hypstar (now Vigo Video) in Southeast Asia. In November 2017, ByteDance acquired global news app News Republic and global video community musical.ly. In October 2018, it became the most valuable startup in the world. Technology The Underlying AI Technology ByteDance's products use smart recommendation algorithms to source and push content users find most interesting. This underlying technology learns users’ feedback and preferences through their interactions - comments, dislikes, and favourites. The engagement data from active users is fed into ByteDance’s algorithms, further refining the quality and relevance of content distributed to users. As a result, each user has a personalized content feed. This AI technology has differentiated ByteDance's apps in China’s mobile Internet market, and the underlying tech also can be applied in international markets because it isn’t limited by linguistic or cultural barriers. Computer vision technology such as object recognition is also used to automatically tag and understand videos and images in order to facilitate recommendations across different languages. In 2016, ByteDance’s AI Lab and Peking University co-developed Xiaomingbot, an artificial intelligence writing bot that writes its own news article. The bot published 450 articles during the 15-day Summer Olympics. In general, Xiaomingbot published stories approximately two seconds after the event ended. In December 2017, ByteDance was included on the CBInsight AI 100 list, a list of 100 of the most prominent private companies applying artificial intelligence algorithms. In February 2018, ByteDance was named to Fast Company’s list of Most Innovative Companies, ranking #16 globally and #4 in the China Top 10 list, ByteDance was commended for its use of artificial intelligence to provide news and content. The AI Lab ByteDance’s research arm, the AI lab was founded in March 2016 and is headed by Wei-Ying Ma, former Assistant Managing Director of Microsoft Research Asia. The lab’s research focuses on AI for understanding information (text, images, videos) in depth, and developing large scale machine learning algorithms for personalized information recommendations. Its main research areas include Natural Language Processing, Speech and Audio, Distributed System and Networking, and Computer Graphics. Products Toutiao Toutiao delivers content recommendations to every user based on their interests. By analyzing the features of content, users and users’ interaction with content, the algorithms generate a tailored feed of content for each user. In February 2016, a missing person alerts project was started on the Toutiao platform. In 2017, the alerts helped find 3,573 missing persons. In August 2019, Bytedance launches Toutiao Search as a part of it's Toutiao portal - a news aggregator. Douyin Launched in September 2016, Douyin is China's leading destination for short-form mobile videos. With easy-to-use video creation tools, Douyin quickly became a highly popular app across the country, presenting a wide and diverse range of content on the platform. TikTok TikTok is a music video platform and social network that was launched in September 2016, the app allows users to create their own short music videos, choosing a background music from TikTok music list which contains a wide variety of music styles. Xigua Video In March 2016, ByteDance launched Toutiao Video, which was later rebranded as Xigua Video. Xigua Video is a short video platform that hosts a variety of video clips that are on average 2–5 minutes long. musical.ly musical.ly was a short-form video community that enabled users to share 15-60 second videos. Users could shoot, edit and post videos on the musical.ly app to express themselves through singing, dancing, and many other talents. In December 2017, musical.ly officially joined ByteDance. The platform is currently defunct, having been folded into what is now TikTok. TopBuzz TopBuzz is the international version of Toutiao, a content aggregation and recommendation mobile platform that delivers videos, articles, GIFs and breaking news to users worldwide. News Republic News Republic is a news and video aggregator with daily breaking news and headlines from over 2,300 media partners in 47 countries and 43 languages. In November 2017, ByteDance acquired News Republic from Cheetah Mobile. Lawsuits Huxiu In December 2018, ByteDance sued Huxiu for defamation after Huxiu reported that ByteDance's Indian-language news app Helo was propagating misinformation. US Federal Trade Commission On February 27, 2019, the FTC fined Musical.ly US$5.7 million for collecting information from minors under the age of 13 in violation of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act in the United States. ByteDance responded by adding a kids-only mode to TikTok which blocks the upload of videos, the building of user profiles, direct messaging, and commenting on other's videos, while still allowing the viewing and recording of content. References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfazy (talk • contribs) 10:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I think this is an overall improvement and am happy to implement this change, however, since it's so substantial I'd prefer to wait a week to see if there are any objections. If this hasn't been addressed by another editor in a week, and assuming no one has objected to it, feel free to ping me and I'll implement it. Thanks for disclosing your affiliation. Chetsford (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

 Comment: There are several items which should either be clarified or not included:

Draft feedback

In 2011, Zhang noticed that fewer and fewer people were reading newspapers. At the same time, smartphone sales in America were soaring. Zhang capitalized on this growth in the usage of mobile devices and incorporated AI technology into a product that aimed to transform how information is being consumed. These claims represent WP:OR. It was a simple mobile-only news app but with two features that people had not seen before in China: 1) stories were pushed to users rather than the users needing to search for keywords or find accounts to follow; 2) the more users clicked on content, the more Toutiao learned their tastes and interests, and refined its recommendations. More OR. As its creator community grew, Toutiao used interest-based and decentralized distribution to help long-tail content creators find an audience. This is not clear how and in what way Toutiao used interest-based and decentralized distribution to "help long-tail content creators find an audience." To encourage more individual or small-team creators to use its platform, Toutiao also launched incentive programs in 2014. These programs ranged from offering office space and tools, to guaranteeing minimum monthly incomes upon meeting key targets such as read rates and number of articles. This claim uses Wikipedia's voice to promote a product's "guaranteed minimum monthly incomes". ByteDance's products use smart recommendation algorithms to source and push content users find most interesting. The assertion that the content pushed by this product will be that which "users find most interesting" is a company-based assertion which ought not be made using Wikipedia's voice. The engagement data from active users is fed into ByteDance’s algorithms, further refining the quality and relevance of content distributed to users. This claim about ByteDance's algorithms ability to "refine the quality and relevance of content distributed to users" through the use of the received "engagement data" is being made in Wikipedia's voice. Wikipedia has no way of verifying the quality and relevance of content distributed to users from ByteDance's algorithms — thus, claiming that this data allows ByteDance to "refine the quality and relevance of content" is to claim knowledge which Wikipedia has no access to. In February 2018, ByteDance was named to Fast Company’s list of Most Innovative Companies, ranking #16 globally and #4 in the China Top 10 list, ByteDance was commended for its use of artificial intelligence to provide news and content. The source and reliability of this ranking has not been established by the proposing COI editor through the use of WP:SECONDARY sources which verify the rankings as valid and noteworthy enough to be included beyond being just one organization's opinion of the company. The lab’s research focuses on AI for understanding information (text, images, videos) in depth, and developing large scale machine learning algorithms for personalized information recommendations This is not clear how and in what way the lab’s research focuses on AI for "understanding information". Douyin quickly became a highly popular app across the country, presenting a wide and diverse range of content on the platform. This claim uses Wikipedia's voice to promote a claim of how quickly and how popular a specific piece of technology was and is. Users could shoot, edit and post videos on the musical.ly app to express themselves through singing, dancing, and many other talents. WP:PROMO

Regards,  Spintendo  16:38, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Chetsford and Spintendo, Thanks for your fast reply. As Checstford said I was seeking some improvements and was not trying to promote the company or its products you can find my edits or updates here which was reverted by an editor who told me that I have to follow {{request edit}} template process so, Am I required to correct all of these mistakes which appears on the page. however, I'd be happy to solve such mistakes and help in cleaning up the page and make it promotional free. I was just asking to approve my edits. Thanks Sfazy (talk) 00:03, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll defer to Spintendo on this request moving forward. Chetsford (talk) 00:42, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I have made some copyedits to the main article, removing the problematic items listed in my feedback. If the COI editor wishes to use the article now as the basis of the changes they wish to make, they may do so here on the talk page by inserting the new draft version containing their requested changes (along with a new {{request edit}} template) below this post. Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  09:14, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

• Information to be updated: Replace "ByteDance (Chinese: 字节跳动; pinyin: Zìjié Tiàodòng) or Beijing ByteDance Technology Co Ltd. is a Chinese Internet technology company operating several machine learning-enabled content platforms, headquartered in Beijing." with "ByteDance Ltd. (Chinese: 字节跳动; pinyin: Zìjié Tiàodòng) is an Internet technology company operating several machine learning-enabled content platforms, headquartered in Beijing."
• Explanation of issue: Company name is "ByteDance" not Beijing ByteDance Technology Co Ltd. Very clear in the first source from company about page. Beijing is where the company based but not it's name.
• References:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfazy (talk • contribs) 22:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 31-OCT-2019

  Edit request implemented  

• The COI editor is kindly reminded of the need to sign all talk page posts using four tildes.

Regards,  Spintendo  01:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Corrections and updates

Hi, I work for ByteDance and would like to suggest a few changes to this article.

• Infobox: Please remove the name "Fuping Zhang." as he is no longer serving in this role. (In any case, the party committee secretary is not a "key person" in the company and doesn't belong in the infobox.) According to Template:Infobox company, the infobox should not list roles below chief officer level if they are not notable. Fuping Zhang is a vice president, which is below chief officer level, and he is not notable in his own right. [Clarified request. JatBD (talk) 09:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)]
• Third paragraph of the intro section: Please change from "the video-sharing social networking service Douyin (TikTok)" to "the video-sharing social networking services Douyin and TikTok." This is to reflect that these are two distinct platforms, rather than two different names for the same platform.
• Third paragraph of "Toutiao" section: Update from "In 2017, the alerts helped find 3573 missing persons" to: "As of June 2020, the alerts have helped find 13,116 missing persons, including 5,128 seniors, 1,179 teenagers and 6,809 adults."
• "List of Overseas Products": The links for the names Lark, Helo and BaBe all point to irrelevant content on Wikipedia and should be removed.

References

Thank you! JatBD (talk) 13:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi JatBD,

Happy to help with this.

• Do you have a source for Zhang no longer being in the position? I'm not going to make a decision about the value of the role in the infobox, but we should definitely fix incorrect information
• Douyin currently redirects to TikTok. Can you provide a source that explains the distinction? You may want to discuss that further on Talk:TikTok#Should_we_make_Douyin_a_separate_page. I think we should leave as is until a decision is made. (Edited as per the below)  Implemented
• I'll do that - looks correct Implemented
• Those should all be unlinked - I'll do that too Implemented

--FeldBum (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

pinging @JatBD:  Darth Flappy ^«Talk» 17:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@FeldBum: Thanks for taking the time to look at this!

1. I don't have a source at the moment for Fuping Zhang's change in role. However, I read in the guidelines for Infobox company: "do not list roles below chief officer level if they are not notable." It seems to me that since Fuping Zhang is not notable and his role is below chief officer level, he should be removed from the infobox.
2. As for referring to Douyin and TikTok as two apps rather than one app, here is an analysis from Gartner that delineates some of the differences between the two platforms. I've seen the discussion at Talk:TikTok that you mentioned, and I understand that this is a thorny question and that consensus has yet to be reached there. But even if you take the position that there is not enough distinguishing the two platforms to justify creating a separate article for Douyin (a position that I believe is misguided), it is a plain fact that they are two similar yet separate apps and not just two names for the same entity.

Thanks again, JatBD (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks the reply JatBD. How about "Douyin, the precursor to TikTok" or "Douyin, the Chinese-specific precursor to TikTok"?

I think that separates out the two without too much extraneous language and without wading into the other mess of separating out pages. --FeldBum (talk) 14:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@FeldBum: Could we use "equivalent" instead of "precursor" (since "precursor" implies incorrectly that Douyin is no longer active)? As in: "TikTok and its China-specific equivalent Douyin." JatBD (talk) 14:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

How's "counterpart," JatBD? Maybe "Douyin, the Chinese-specific counterpart to TikTok" --FeldBum (talk) 16:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@FeldBum: Yes, "counterpart" is fine. But it should still refer to TikTok and Douyin to reflect that these are two apps, no matter how similar they may be to each other. (As Reuters explains here: "TikTok is functionally and technically similar to ByteDance-owned Douyin, which is available only in China." And also: "TikTok uses recommendation algorithms that are independent from Douyin.") So if we say that ByteDance developed "Douyin, the Chinese-specific counterpart to TikTok," that leaves out the fact that ByteDance developed TikTok itself as well.

Separately, can you also please make the edit to remove Fuping Zhang from the infobox? As I wrote above, his role in the company was below chief officer level, so he should not be included in the infobox, as per the infobox guidelines. Thanks, JatBD (talk) 13:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

At a quick search, looks like Zhang, as well as heading the company's internal party committee, is also the company's vice president since 2017.[1] Is this incorrect / outdated? {{Infobox company}} is generally focused towards Western company structures, but at a glance Zhang's role seems to be akin to a top executive. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:53, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi ProcrastinatingReader. Fuping Zhang is one of many vice presidents at ByteDance. The position of vice president in Chinese companies is similar to the position of vice president in Western companies, in the sense that it is an important role, but still below chief officer level in the corporate hierarchy. According to Template:Infobox company, the infobox should not list roles below chief officer level if they are not notable. So it should follow that Fuping Zhang should not be included in the infobox, while the other four names, which are all at the chief officer level, should remain. Thank you, JatBD (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to leave Zhang for now. JatBD, you might want to put up for a vote. I think this prposed edit highlights the difference between the two apps: "ByteDance is the developer of the video-sharing social networking services and apps TikTok and Douyin, the Chinese-specific counterpart to TikTok." --FeldBum (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@FeldBum: The proposed edit works from my perspective. Can you please make the edit, since I'm avoiding editing the article directly due to my COI? JatBD (talk) 14:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Made. Closing the request. --FeldBum (talk) 23:11, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Houston Astros ownership

I work for ByteDance and am requesting that the citation that ByteDance owns 10-15% of the Houston Astros be removed as it is not correct. ByteDance does not have any type of ownership at all in the Houston Astros. Thank you, Bkenny44 (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 15:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Þjarkur: Thanks! But the IP editor put the hoax content right back. Would it be possible to protect the article from this kind of vandalism? Thank you, Bkenny44 (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

​You are free to revert vandalism on WP:COI articles. Let's see if this repeats itself one more time, if so then I'd request protection. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Kevin Mayer's resignation

The article does not yet reflect the fact that Kevin Mayer is no longer the COO of ByteDance. (Sources: New York Times, Business Insider)

Please make the following changes:

1. Infobox: Remove Mayer's name from "Key people" and add Roland Cloutier (Global Chief Security Officer) and Erich Andersen (Global General Counsel)
2. Lead section, fifth paragraph: Change the second sentence to "Mayer served as the CEO of TikTok and the COO of ByteDance from 1 June 2020 until announcing his resignation on 27 August 2020."

References

Thank you, JatBD (talk) 01:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi again JatBD, happy to help again. Removing Mayer and adding the new line seem straightforward, so I'll do those. Do you see precedent for Global Chief Security Officer and Global General Counsel being added to Key people? --FeldBum (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Writing as "From June 2020 to his resignation 26 August 2020." Both articles are published on the 27th but say Mayer left on Wednesday, which is the 26th. Do you have a source that says 27th? --FeldBum (talk) 17:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi FeldBum. According to Template:Infobox company, the "Key people" field may list roles at the "chief officer" level - and both CSO and GC are chief officer titles (see Corporate title). As for precedent, a quick search brings up lots of examples, including Mandiant and Chronicle Security for CSO and IRIS Distribution and Sendo for GC. Thanks, JatBD (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

That works for me JatBD; just wanted to see some precedent. Added now. --FeldBum (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Fixing MOS:LAYOUT and MOS:LEAD issues

I would like to propose restructuring the layout of this article in order to fix the current MOS:LAYOUT and MOS:LEAD issues. I believe that doing this will improve the way the article's content is organized and make it easier to read. The two main things my proposed version accomplishes are: integrating most of the current overly long lead's content into the body of the article; and reorganizing most of the body into sections on History (with multiple chronological subsections), Technology, Leadership, Finances and Funding.

Please see User:JatBD/ByteDance revised layout for my proposal.

I want to stress that I am not at this stage proposing to add or remove any significant content, just to reorganize the content to improve the layout. The only exceptions are minor syntax changes in cases where the layout change necessitates it, and removing the "List of overseas products" subsection, which is unsourced and mostly covered in other parts of the article's body.

Pinging FeldBum: You've been very helpful here in the past and I hope you can spare a few minutes to take a look at this proposal, which I think is sensible. Thank you, JatBD (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi JatBD

I think this new template overall looks good, but I don't think we can include everything under History, especially Controversy. While I normally hate lists of products, I think it does make sense to highlight product line here too, at least a little. If you don't mind, I can make some edits to your draft.

I'll also wait to hear what other editors think.

--FeldBum (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi FeldBum, thanks for responding. It would be great if you could implement this proposal, with the changes you have in mind incorporated, directly into the article. Judging by how long the proposal has sat here without attracting any responses, it appears that no other editors have strong opinions about it.

Regarding the Controversy section, I think my proposal is in line with WP:CSECTION, adopting the "integration" approach recommended there. And regarding the list of products, this may be a moot point, since Amigao already removed it, citing WP:NOTCATALOG.

I hope all that makes sense, and I appreciate your continued dedication to improving this article. Thanks, JatBD (talk) 03:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

As I come back to this discussion a week later, I see some of my MOS:LAYOUT concerns have been resolved by the recent efforts of Amigao, who helpfully shortened the lead section and created new Leadership, Funding and Partnerships sections.

However, two glaring layout problems remain:

1. There should be a chronologically organized "History" section. Currently, the content relating to the history of ByteDance is scattered throughout the article, mostly in the Products and Reception sections. This is a counterintuitive and confusing way to present the company's history, and the reader would be much better served following the model used at Twitter#History, which I've attempted to implement at User:JatBD/ByteDance revised layout.
2. Earlier, I raised the issue of WP:CSECTION as it pertains to the section formerly called "Controversy," which was recently changed to "Reception" by Amigao. I had suggested that the contents of the Controversy section be integrated into a History section with the other content from the lead and Products sections. Instead, Amigao chose to rename the section heading "Reception." However, I don't think that is a viable solution, as a "Reception" section is meant to be "dedicated to positive and negative assessments of the topic" (per WP:CSECTION), whereas here, there are no assessments at all - only "controversial" events in ByteDance's history. So I would still insist that this section should be integrated chronologically into a neutral History section.

I've again updated my proposed revised layout at User:JatBD/ByteDance revised layout to match the content of the current version. I'm not proposing to change or remove any content, just to improve the layout. I've already pinged Amigao, whom I encourage to join the discussion here, and not just in edit summaries. I'll also ping FeldBum and a few other editors who have been helpful here in the past: Þjarkur, ProcrastinatingReader, DarthFlappy, Chetsford. Hopefully one or more of you will have a constructive opinion on this. Thank you, JatBD (talk) 15:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Looking only at layout (not content), the revised proposed layout is better inline with most company pages should be. History should always be the first part. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

RfC on layout of ByteDance article

Which layout for the ByteDance article is best?

• Option 1: The current layout, which: features a 4-paragraph lead section; presents the company's history nonlinearly across the lead and several topic sections (none of which is a History section); and attempts to resolve WP:CSECTION concerns by renaming the Controversy section to "Reception"
• Option 2: The proposed layout, which: features a shorter lead section; presents most of the company's history in a History section with chronologically ordered subsections; and attempts to resolve WP:CSECTION concerns by integrating the content chronologically into the History section
• Option 3: A different layout that has not yet been proposed

See the previous discussion at Talk:ByteDance#Fixing MOS:LAYOUT and MOS:LEAD issues. JatBD (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

• Option 2 as proposer. The proposed layout conforms better to MOS:LEADLENGTH, MOS:LAYOUT and WP:CSECTION. Articles about companies should always have a well-organized History section, and the model of chronological subsections (as used effectively at Twitter#History) is great for ease of reading. JatBD (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)