Talk:Henry VIII

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2020

Anne of Cleves section of Henry VIII pages, says Thomas Cromwell was Earl of Essex at time of proposing Anne of Cleves as Henry VIII’s 4th wife, but he became Earl of Essex a few months after Henry and Anne were married on Jan 6 1540. Cromwell became Earl of Essex in April 1540. According to Thomas Cromwell’s Wikipedia page it was April 18, but I haven’t been able to verify the exact date in April. FSly (talk) 06:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. QueerFilmNerd^talk 18:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I removed the reference to Cromwell as Earl of Essex during the Cleves match, and I left the source in my edit note. As FSly notes, Cromwell did not become Earl of Essex until April 1540. See Diarmaid MacCulloch, Thomas Cromwell, chapter 22, page 520. Serogers02 (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Wording

' he became severely obese'. Could we change the wording to maybe say he was overweight?-ThanksOoh Saad (talk) 08:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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Henry VIII (28 June 1491 – 28 January 1547) was King of England from 1509 until his death. This oil-on-panel portrait was painted by Hans Holbein the Younger c. 1537, depicting the king in a near-frontal pose similar to that used by the artist in a number of other portraits. It is a markedly linear picture without background distractions; Henry gazes into the distance, with his head, hands and general demeanour imbuing his personality with a sense of solidity and strength. The painting is in the collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum in Madrid, Spain.

In 1536, Henry suffered a leg injury in a jousting accident. The wound festered chronically for the remainder of his life and became ulcerated, thus preventing him from maintaining the level of physical activity he had previously enjoyed. He became grossly obese, and this hastened his early death; the view that he suffered from syphilis has been dismissed by most historians.

Painting credit: Hans Holbein the Younger

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Requested move 23 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED. There is clear, policy-based consensus for this move to occur and I see no value in awaiting the result of the below RfC. .(non-admin closure) Jack Frost (talk) 05:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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Henry VIII of England → Henry VIII – This has been discussed before at Talk:Henry_VIII_of_England/Archive_1#Move_proposal, but the discussion went nowhere. I am reviving it because the concise form of this title makes it clear who this is talking about and the Henry VIII readers are most likely looking for. Interstellarity (talk) 16:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support. I've always been a bit bemused by the current title (although not enough to anything about it), but as Henry VIII is already a redirect to the article, and Henry VIII (disambiguation) carries all the details about the much less notable Henry VIII's, I don't see any reason not to. (It should be noted that the move proposal mentioned above was in 2011 and had only one dissenter to the move then). - SchroCat (talk) 17:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support. As far as published reference works go, just plain "Henry VIII" is pretty standard. See Oxford Dictionaries, American Heritage Dictionary, and Renaissance: An Encyclopedia for Students. Encylopedia.com has nine "Henry VIII" articles from various reference works. None of them put "of England" in the article title. Allan Rice (talk) 17:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support, à la Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria et al. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support. How many other Henry VIIIs do we know? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Only ten titles are related to "Henry VIII" in some sovereign titles. --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 01:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support. This Henry VIII is vastly more prominent than the others. At the top there can be a link to the disambiguation page for the small minority of visitors who might be looking for one of the other Henry VII's. Jehochman ^Talk 14:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Henry VIII is already a redirect to this article. Anybar (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
• (Note: double !vote)Oppose @Rreagan007: That is not a point. If you only get this title "Henry VIII" as a primary topic, which they have four titles starting with [Henry VIII of] Brzeg, Henneberg, Henneberg-Schleusingen, and Silesia. But unfortunately, there are no WP:COMMONNAME, no WP:CONCISE, and no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC behind this title. --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 01:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Henry VIII already redirects here, which means it's already considered to be the primary topic on Wikipedia. And the subject of this article is most commonly referred to in English as "Henry VIII", which makes it the common name. And "Henry VIII" is more concise than "Henry VIII of England". Therefore, all three of the article naming policies that I cited clearly apply to this case, so I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Can you please be more specific in how you don't think they apply? Rreagan007 (talk) 04:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Fine, only one solution with this primary title within WP:CONCISE in English. But also, "Henry VIII" would be moved to a disambiguation page. --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 06:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Then you're seeking to change long-standing consensus that this article is the primary topic for "Henry VIII" by moving the Henry VIII (disambiguation) page. Well I strongly oppose that. And you also didn't address the fact that "Henry VIII" is the common English name for the subject of this article. I have to ask, is English your native language? Rreagan007 (talk) 07:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Please do not !vote twice. It looks confusing. Surtsicna (talk) 08:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support. 53 publications cited in the article name him Henry VIII; none name him Henry VIII of England. The title Henry VIII is thus clearly supported by WP:AT policy. Surtsicna (talk) 08:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - It's sad really, that these monarch bio article titles are increasingly becoming inconsistent. We should've had a larger RM or an Rfc, to suggest all monarchial bios be moved to Monarch and (where necessary) Monarch (country), the latter would've been best for your point #4 at NCROY. Such a mess it's becoming :( GoodDay (talk) 12:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility)#Request_for_comment

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility)#Request_for_comment. Interstellarity (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48

Archives lost

It seems that in the recent move, the archives and their index have been lost. The respective pages now contain a REDIRECT to themselves. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:10, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Michael Bednarek: Fixed by Wikiacc. Jack Frost (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Burning at the stake

Henry did have a lot of people beheaded during his reign, but did he have anyone burned at the stake? PatGallacher (talk) 11:24, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

When was he Duke of Cornwall?

As of the date of this post, the article contained this text: QUOTE: After a little debate, Henry became the new Duke of Cornwall in October 1502, and the new Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester in February 1503.UNQUOTE I looked at the article on the Duke of Cornwall but it is not there explained why Henry (later VIII) didn't become Duke of Cornwall INSTANTLY when his older brother Arthur died. At the very moment Arthur died, Henry was the Heir Apparent (but was not Prince of Wales instantly, not until his father so created him later on, as that requires the Monarch's action). And the current Monarch when Henry (later VIII) was Heir Apparent was his parent (not his grandparent or aunt or uncle, or anything else). When you are the Heir Apparent (to the crown) and are the son of the Monarch whose Heir Apparent you are, you are, per se, the Duke of Cornwall, are you not? This "after a little debate" jazz isn't referred to in the article on Duke of Cornwall. Can someone please quote a little of the explanation from the footnoted source? I don't doubt that there's some REASON to say that Henry wasn't acknowledged to be Duke of Cornwall instantly as soon as Arthur died, but I think the reason needs to be brought in. Also, when the debate ENDED, what was the result of the debate? I find it hard to believe that the result of the debate would be that Henry BECAME Duke of Cornwall in October 1502, even as much as I entertain the possibility that the DEBATE about whether he was Duke of Cornwall ended in October 1502 and the result of the debate was ACKNOWLEDGING that he'd ALREADY been Duke of Cornwall for some time, since the instant when his older brother Arthur died.2603:7000:9906:A91C:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson