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June 18

Translated quotes

Quick question about translated quotes. Let's say I have a quote from a publication in another language that I want to use in the prose. How do I indicate that it has been translated, and do I include the original text? Thanks (I'm not watching this page – please use {{reply to|PerfectSoundWhatever}} on reply) — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 01:51, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@PerfectSoundWhatever, see MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. StarryGrandma (talk) 02:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Links

the links in the article. List of most-streamed songs on Spotify they are not complete and they are also very poorly added, Can someone find out if some anonymous user deleted the missing links on purpose or is it some kind of vandalism?--Tirso Gutiérrez (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Tirso Gutiérrez: You seem to have been working very hard on that article recently and it now looks fine to me (but I'm no expert on the topic). Thanks for tidying things up. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Deleting Sandbox userpage

1 - Since I made Significant New Alternatives Policy, I want to delete my userpage Sandbox I was using before making that page: User:Fephisto/Significant_New_Alternatives_Policy . How do I do this?

2 - I'd like to do that css thing where the top and left headers of a table are static as you scroll down the document in Significant New Alternatives Policy#Refrigerants. What would be the best way to go about that?

Fephisto (talk) 17:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Fephisto::

1. You can tag a page in your own userspace where you're the only significant contributor with {{db-u1}} to request that an admin deletes it.
2. I'm not sure if this is generally done from an accessibility/MOS standpoint, but in general, creating sticky headers works similar to this:

Table header

first collumn	second collumn	third collumn
cell A1	cell B1	cell C1
cell A2	cell B2	cell C2
cell A3	cell B3	cell C3

Note that any solution is likely going to be skin-dependent, as some skins (notably Vector 2022 and Timeless) have their own sticky elements. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Fephisto (talk) 17:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

VIAF name

I looked for Michi Kobi's Japanese name in this VIAF link: [1] From that link, I think it is 岡本まち子 and added it to the English article and Wikidata. But later I thought: is it the same person? The person died in 2016 and their death date is not shown beside her Japanese name. So it might be a different Michi Kobi who just so happens to have the same birth year, but is still alive. FunnyMath (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I looked into Web NDL Authorities and it says the information was last updated in the year 2000: [2]. So that might explain why the death date wasn't included. But still, I want another fellow Wikipedian to confirm that 岡本まち子 is Michi Kobi's Japanese name. FunnyMath (talk) 22:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

岡本まち子 is Okamoto Machiko, which the article says is her original name. In normal circumstances it certainly couldn't be read Michi Kobi (in particular, the personal name is written partly in Kana, and so could not be read any way other than Machiko). I don't know for sure that she could not have used it for her stage name, but I would be extremely surprised. ColinFine (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I've now found out that her name in Japanese is spelled either ミチ・コビ or ミッチ・コビ. I got the ッ-less name from a book and the ッ name from several websites, including Yahoo! JAPAN. You can see the sources in the Michi Kobi article in the lead. Are all the sources I used for her Japanese name reliable? FunnyMath (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm gonna ask the question at the following link instead to get an answer: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Michi_Kobi FunnyMath (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Those are katakana spellings of "Michi Kobi" and "Micchi Kobi" respectively. Katakana is mostly used for foreign words and names, and not normally for Japanese names. That, along with the variation, and the use of the Western order, suggests to me that these are Japanese transliterations of the (effectively) non-Japanese name "Michi Kobi". That doesn't mean she couldm't have used one or other, but I'm dubious that it should be referred to as "her Japanese name". ColinFine (talk) 09:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

June 19

Systemic Revertions

Hi, a user called Dennis has reverted an edit under completely unjust circumstances. He claims the website I referenced is 'unreliable' without any reason given as to why and he claims it 'steals' from all around the internet, which is factually inaccurate as the writing there is original. He says it takes information from all around the internet - isn't that the point of valid citations? You get the same information from many independent sources?

He also says its "without giving real sources" - the article has a bibliography...

I believe this is some weird power dynamic where Dennis and now one other user are reverting the edit despite it being a well known and respected website. What do I do in this situation?— Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxLousada (talk • contribs) 09:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

This isn't really a help desk question. You can open a thread at WP:ANI if you are unhappy about another user's conduct.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@MaxLousada: I don't see anything that convinces me it's a trustworthy source. Refer WP:SPS. Thanks. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 10:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello MaxLousada. When another editor reverts your edit (which is a totally normal part of working on a collaborative project like Wikipedia) your next step (unless you decide to drop the issue) is to discuss it with the other editors, usually on the article's talk page: see BRD. Please discuss it calmly with the other editors - with the intention of reaching consensus - on Talk:Arado Ar 196. If you cannot agree, then follow the steps from dispute resolution. ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Requests non yet completed

In past weeks I have posted 2 requests on “Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop” about fix and remake Wikipedia logo but there are no yet completed. I have posted in wrong page? Many thanks in advance for all your answers!!! --37.116.102.74 (talk) 15:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Your IP posted requests in January of 2021(a year and a half ago) and according to the edit history(here) your request was accepted. Are you referring to another request? 331dot (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Wikipedia_logo_resize_request

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Illustration_workshop/Archive/May_2022#Wikipedia_logo_fix_request --37.116.102.74 (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, those were under a different IP. One request was archived, and another requested clarity which you at least attempted to provide. Requests are fulfilled by volunteers on their own time. If a request is unclear, it is much less likely to be acted on. In reading it I'm not really sure what you are asking, either. (though I know little of image work) 331dot (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

For the second request, if I click on the image to see the graphic on its page at Commons, and click again on the image there, it seems to me that your request has already been carried out. I don't know understand why the changes aren't reflected in the smaller versions. Maproom (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

relese my own page

can i create my own pages on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anilsetty (talk • contribs) 20:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Anilsetty: You may create an article about any notable subject that does not already have an article. If your subject does not meet our definition of notable (WP:N), do not attempt to create an article about it, because we will delete it. We delete more than 100 articles every day. After you are certain that your subject is notable, please read WP:YFA to see how to proceed. -Arch dude (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Anilsetty: Welcome to Wikipedia editing. So far, you have created an account and made just one edit from it: to this Help Desk. I hope you will help build the encyclopaedia by, for example, improving articles for topics that interest you. Wikipedia accounts each have User Pages where we can, for example, tell other users what these interests are and give some basic information about ourselves: see WP:UPYES for what may be included. These pages are not articles and are not indexed by search engines. To create your own, just click on the (currently) redlink to your Username, above; add some text and "publish changes". Please do not try to create an autobiography: (see WP:AUTO) but enjoy your time here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Frances Cornford

Dear Wikipedia,

I have been a modest annual donator to Wiki for quite a few years. I have several basic general questions about an entry for a close relative of mine that I cannot find a definitive answer to on any of your “Help” pages. I use Wiki a lot and find it very helpful, but I have to say finding out how to contact you amidst a byzantine forest of “help” links provided by you is some task.

My name is Dan Cornford. I am the grandson of Frances C. Cornford (FCC), who was a relatively famous English poet, or certainly became so after her death in 1960. Periodically, out of interest, I look up some of my famous relatives on Wiki. Three years ago I looked up the entry for FCC and was appalled by its incompleteness (See below). Last week, wishing to sending the link to a friend of mine, I looked the entry up again, and IMHO the entry was even weaker to the point where, for the first time, you said/say this above the entry: “This article may be in need of reorganization to comply with Wikipedia's layout guidelines. Please help by editing the article to make improvements to the overall structure. (August 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message).”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Cornford

With all due respect, I do not think the problem lies so much with layout as with content, or lack thereof. To begin with since she was the granddaughter of Charles Darwin, and the wife of a prominent classicist Francis McDonald Cornford or FMC ( for whom there is also a Wiki entry), there is no shortage of biographical information on FCC. Two omissions are especially striking: 1) In the above entry, and earlier ones, nowhere to be found is a complete list of all her published books of poetry; 2) There is no mention of the fact that in 1959 she received the Queen’s medal for poetry. That is pretty basic and crucial information. I might add that there is only fleeting reference to two of her closest relatives, FMC and her eldest son, John Cornford, who has quite a long entry in Wiki.

Finally, and contributors cannot be blamed for this omission, is the fact that she became a British women poet of considerable stature after her death in the last decades of the C20th as experts in British women’s literature like Jane Dowson (Professor of English Literature at Montfort University, Leicester, UK and author of several books on British’s women poets of the C20th) can attest to.

As a history professor, albeit retired, and for other purposes, I have made extensive use of Wikipedia for biographical and other purposes. I greatly respect what you do, and I know that you depend on donations, and a volunteer staff, but looking at the entries on FCC over time gives me some uneasiness about the accuracy, and indeed, policies, of Wiki.

Of course I understand and respect, to a great degree, the principle of people writing and editing Wiki entries, but there are, as has been pointed out, also some obvious downsides to this. And I frankly I do not understand the extent to which you have safeguards to maintain quality control, quite aside from legal issues like copyright and libel laws. Given the later alone, however, there must be some degree of moderation by Wiki, even if by volunteer staff. However, I am finding no easy way to determine what the modus operandi of this moderation system is. I did find one reference to “protected entries” somewhere on one of your “Help” pages, but no account of what this means and how an entry qualifies for this status.

I will end with specific questions:

1) What restrictions are there on a relative writing or amending an entry on another relative? Any at all? Can a grandson or son undertake this task?

2) I would be willing to greatly amend and improve the current entry on FCC, even though someone like Jane Dowson could do a much better job than me. But, and here is really THE crucial question, if I or some expert were to do this, what is to stop someone coming along the next week, and deleting it all and writing their own version??? To write a good entry, even if one if very familiar with the subject, takes a lot of time—I am sure I do not have to tell you. I cannot possibly ask someone like Jane Dowson to do such a task, if she was willing, if her work could be nullified with a few keystrokes.

Finally, and again with all due respect, I find your instructions as to how you will communicate back to me (if you chose to do so), opaque. Please can you explain what exactly the following means on your “Help” page from which I am writing this communication: “For your own personal security, please do not provide your email address or any other contact details – especially your passwords – in your post, as this help desk is a highly visible page and all information placed here can be seen by the general public immediately. Answers will be provided on this page only; we are unable to provide answers via email or any other method outside Wikipedia.”

In short, if you have time to answer my questions above, exactly how will I hear back from you?

To an even better Wikipedia and very sincerely,

Dan Cornford

Davis, California — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:C000:2820:CCC4:1C71:A7C2:B839 (talk) 21:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dan. You will get answered the way I am doing so, on the page where you asked the question. If you choose to Create an account, then it will be possible for people replying to you to ping you, so that you get a notification next time you log in.

To be frank, I haven't read your question in detail. Putting too much detail in a question on a general page like this is often counterproductive: it is better to go into detail somewhere where people with an interest in the particular article are likely to be found: either on the talk page of the article, or on the talk page of a suitable WikiProject (perhaps WT:WikiProject Poetry).

To answer your specific questions: a relative is generally assumed to have a conflict of interest, and so is advised not to edit the article directly, but to make edit requests on the article's talk page. If somebody wishes to embark on the very difficult task of creating an article about a relative, they may do so, but should use the Articles for creation process, and make their relationship clear on their user page. (Not having an account, you haven't currently got a user page).

To answer your second question: there is nothing to stop somebody else coming and altering the article. Any Wikipedia editor may edit (nearly) any article, as long as they abide by Wikipedia's principles and policies; which say (among other things) that they should faithfully summarise what reliable published sources say about the subject. Original research is not acceptable, including synthesis from different sources. No Wikipedia article should ever include argumentation, advocacy, or drawing conclusions, though it may report on these as advanced in single reliable published sources.

While experts are welcomed in editing Wikipedia, they often find it difficult to adjust to a context in which other editors will not defer to them simply because they are experts: see WP:Expert editors. ColinFine (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine Did you miss a "not" in "which other editors will defer"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:23, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I did indeed. Thank you Gråbergs Gråa Sång ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine Perhaps you would like to now insert the missing "not" into your comment so that other readers aren't misled by its absence. - R. S. Shaw (talk) 01:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

R. S. Shaw - done now. --ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dan! Following up on the advice given by ColinFine, the best place to discuss the Frances Cornford article is the article's talk page: Talk:Frances Cornford by posting your concerns or suggestions, along with the {{request edit}} template to get help from other editors. Or, you may find it easier to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 03:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, "what is to stop someone coming along the next week, and deleting it all and writing their own version???" WP has editors who look at all changes, and can revert any destructive (or "disruptive") changes, along with changes that do not improve the encyclopedia. If a page was completely changed, it would likely be reverted and the one who rewrote it would be asked to discuss their proposed changes on the article's "talk" page. And all newly written info needs references, so an unreferenced replacement article would not survive. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 01:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Beatrice Doran

Someone has put me up on Wikipedia which is not a great problem. However, the dste of my appointment to the RCSI as Library Director is incorrect. I began at the Royal College of Surgeons in 1986. Is it possible for me to find out who added me to Wikipedia without my permission?

Keep up the great work - it is an invaluable resource.

Kind regards

Beatrice Doran

Dr. Beatrice Doran — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:60A3:6380:30E5:C6F2:6563:6E3B (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Beatrice. You can see the account names of everybody who has edited an article by looking at that article's history; but this will not necessarily help you, since many editors use pseudonyms. The permission of the subject of an article is neither sought nor required: since an article is supposed to be based solely on reliably published material, anybody may create or edit it except the subject or their associates, who are expected to restrict themselves to requesting changes using the edit request mechanism.

If you see a problem in the article Beatrice Doran, please see WP:AUTOPROB for what you can do about it. As for the date of your arrival at RCSI, that is sourced to The Irish Times, which says that you arrived there in 1991. I'm afraid that, unless you can produce a reliable published source that says 1986, or unless you can persuade the Irish Times to publish a correction, that is unlikely to change: see WP:verifiability. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

The post says "Library Director". The Irish Times says "chief librarian" and "Having moved to the RCSI in 1991".[3] RCSI itself says "1986 – first female professional librarian".[4] Health Information News & Thinking says "took on the role of Librarian in RCSI in 1986".[5] I guess "Library Director", "chief librarian", "professional librarian" and "Librarian" all refer to the same position and the Irish Times got the year wrong so I have changed the year to 1986 and just said "librarian".[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:54, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, you can be promoted from a librarian to a library director. Maybe 1986 is right for librarian, and 1991 is for library director. Still, your change covers it. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 01:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

June 20

Why do blocks often last 31 hours?

I've seen admins block for 31 hours. WP:31 says that this is to prevent them from coming back tomorrow and vandalizing, but is there any reason why it's 31, and not 30 or 32? weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 03:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

May because if it were 32 you'd ask why it's not 31 or 33? Bazza (talk) 08:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

If it were 32, I wouldn't complain as 32=2⁵ and 30 is a multiple of 10, but 31 seems an arbitrary number. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 08:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, suggesting to move to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). This isn't really asking for help, is it? —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 08:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Weeklyd3: This question was previously asked and answered at the Teahouse: see WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_872#Block length of 31 hours? Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom 31 has the advantage of being a prime number. (Kidding) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 01:40, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

There's not really any 'magic' to it. The idea is that if someone has some sort of daily routine, the 31-hour block keeps them from resuming vandalism where they left off during the same 'session' the following day. (That is, if someone engaging in vandalism in school, then seven hours(-plus-a-day) later they'll be at home. Someone who screws around on Wikipedia at six o'clock after work will probably have gone to bed before their block expires. This reasoning also applied to anonymous (IP) vandalism, when the aim might be to head off vandalism from a school library or similar shared computing facility.

On a related theme, the 31-hour block is more likely to be noticed by the blocked editor, and more likely to draw a response from the blocked editor. They may be more likely to acknowledge a problem - and request an unblock, with a commitment to end their disruptive behavior - if they face losing their editing privileges for a second day.

As Bazza notes, it could have been 30 or 32 hours for the same purpose and similar effect. Which admin originally established the 31-hour tradition I couldn't tell you. There are regular mentions of 31-hour blocks on WP:AN(/I) running back to at least the beginning of 2006, and they seem to have been unremarkable even then. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The first 31-hour-long block I can find is this. The first with a rationale similar to the above is this one. —Cryptic 10:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Need help troubleshooting table sort

I can't figure out why this table here has one row (1.71m) sorted out of place for height. data-sort-type=number doesn't help. Anyone else able to identify the problem? —— 2406:3003:2077:1E60:D59D:E6EC:AEA9:4652 (talk) 03:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Seems to also affect articles for other seasons of the show: 2, 3, 4... always one row out of place, very odd. —— 2406:3003:2077:1E60:D59D:E6EC:AEA9:4652 (talk) 04:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The use of Template:Height is adding extra information to some cells which is interfering with the sorting. I've added sort values to the affected cells which has made this work properly. Someone else might come up with a better explanation or solution. Bazza (talk) 11:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Among other things, Template:Height adds . Here is a simplified example using another templatestyles Template:Smallcaps/styles.css to show the problem is not in Template:Fraction/styles.css:

Height
3
2
1

It appears to happen for any templatestyles. It sorts correctly if the first and second row are swapped in the source:

Height
2
3
1

It looks like a bug in the table sorter. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

That's gotta be it. Had not suspected it since other cells with fraction values appeared to sort correctly. On closer inspection, in those Asia's next top model tables it's consistently only the first entry with fraction that doesn't work -- might be useful info for whoever has to debug this. {{Convert}} with |frac also won't work for the same reason, so workaround for now is to hack in data-sort-value on the afflicted cell, or use decimals instead of vulgar fractions. 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 18:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox is not working

Can someone fix the code on this link The infobox is not working

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordon_Hall — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nzs9 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nzs9: People may be happy to help, but you need to a bit of work yourself, like saying what's wrong with it. Bazza (talk) 08:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The infobox wasn't displaying at the time of the post. It was fixed by adding a missing bracket.[7] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Although the bigger question is why this article as been re-created, 5 days after it was deleted by consensus. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

FYI

An admin has now re-deleted Jordon Hall. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Why would you delete it? He's a professional footballer, makes no sense Nzs9 (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nzs9: Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordon Hall. FWIW, the former criterion of having made an appearance in a match between two professional sides is no longer valid. Eagleash (talk) 13:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Updating an SVG map

I just uploaded an updated SVG map of the countries with Ikea stores, but I'm unable to replace the old one as my account is quite new. Can anyone help me replace it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingercombo86 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

It's usually better to update the original file, under its original name, rather that create a split with an image with a new name, that way File:Map of IKEA stores.svg has a complete changelog in one place.- X201 (talk) 08:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but I can't even update the map due to my account being new. Zingercombo86 (talk) 20:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The maps are likely not conformant with WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Bazza (talk) 08:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Jean Harlow

Your article says she was born in 1911, but that her father arranged her first marriage in 1908. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:4E00:24A0:D53D:777F:3C63:4E68 (talk) 10:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Please bring this up at Talk:Jean Harlow. 331dot (talk) 11:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

No it doesn't, the infobox lists her first marriage as ​(m. 1927; div. 1929). If you're seeing this on a site that's not Wikipedia e.g. Google, then it's their responsibility to fix it. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Er, yes it does. In the article's second paragraph, after the lead: "In 1908, Skip Harlow arranged his daughter's marriage to Mont Clair Carpenter.". It looks like the article was subject to some unrepaired vandalism; I'll see if I can find the correct info. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 11:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I got it. The sentence is talking about Jean Harlow's mother - Jean Poe Harlow - not Jean Harlow herself. Skip Harlow was Jean Harlow's grandfather. Skip Harlow arranged the marriage of his underage daughter - Jean Poe, then 17 years old - to Mont Clair Carpenter. Jean Harlow (born Harlean Harlow Carpenter) was then born in 1911. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 11:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Jean Harlow#Early life says: "Her mother, Jean Poe Carpenter (née Harlow; 1891–1958), was the daughter of wealthy real estate broker Skip Harlow and his wife, Ella Harlow (née Williams). In 1908, Skip Harlow arranged his daughter's marriage to Mont Clair Carpenter." So the sentence is about the marriage of the subjects mother Jean Poe Carpenter. It gets a bit confusing because the mothers maiden name was Jean Harlow and the subject later used that as her own stage name instead of her birth name Harlean Harlow Carpenter. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

(Double edit conflict) It's the way the article is written. Its actually saying that Harlow's mother was forcibly married in 1908, which would tally with the 1911 birthdate for Harlow. - X201 (talk) 11:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Two points: Firstly, arranged marriages were/are not necessarily forced, and were and are common in many past and present cultures. Although the article says that Jean Poe Carpenter "grew resentful and unhappy in the marriage", it doesn't say that she was against the marriage in the first place. If references (such as the Stenn 1993 work cited for the article's relevant passage) say it was forced, perhaps the article should say so explicitly: otherwise "forced" (which the article doesn't state) is just speculation.

Secondly, she must have been either 16 or 17 at the time of the marriage: It seems unlikely that this was "underage" in Missouri at that date, where even today "With parental consent, a person can marry at 16". Perhaps someone with access to the cited source could check whether it actually says this, and if so what Stenn's rationale is. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.73.64 (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

image uploading

i am facing problem in uploadig image to my article.when I click on point which is for image media hen after few seconds it appear

Failed to load the configuration for file uploads to the foreign file repository.

while when I tried to Wikipedia commons then

Running Windows Network Diagnostics Changing DNS over HTTPS settings DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN Check your DNS over HTTPS settings it appears.kindly help me in uploading image Ahsanfreelancer (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ahsanfreelancer Hi there! What is the URL of the page that you're using to upload the image? GoingBatty (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

A Specific File

Is this file suitable for Wikimedia, and if so, under what license? User1042 (talk) 12:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, User1042. If you open the "Ordering and Viewing Options" panel, it says

"Credit: Library and Archives Canada /

Restrictions on use: Nil

Copyright: Expired"

I beliieve this means that you can upload it to Commons as public domain. I believe you can use the template Commons:Template:PD-Canada. ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

OK thanks! User1042 (talk) 15:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Two questions: please answer

So let's say someone asks a question or makes a request on a noticeboard or something but no one reponds and it is about to get (or is already) automatically archived. What would be the correct thing to do? Are there any good places to post elsewhere or rules about Template:pin section? I asked this earlier here but got no response. Should we make a page about that situation or add something about that to our current information pages?

Examples: [8] [9] (this page isn't watched that often it seems)

and also, why was my edit at m:Talk:Title blacklist reverted? is there any reason that page doesn't have an archive box?

67.21.154.193 (talk) 14:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Volunteers answer questions that they freely choose to answer, and sometimes no one is interested. You can add a comment to delay the section from being archived. As for use of the template, just read the documentation. Personally, I never use that template. As for why your edit on Meta was reverted, ask the person who reverted you. This help desk is for English Wikipedia and volunteers here are not necessarily knowledgeable about Meta. The lack of an archive is presumably because mo one has set one up. Cullen328 (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The page does have archives, however. Edit: I asked the guy. There was a notice on his talk page saying he was experiencing significant stress, but he has been replying on his talk page, so maybe we will see it.67.21.154.193 (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

British and American English Spellings

Hello, I came to the help desk because I was having some trouble trying to figure which spelling I should use for a page on A is for Allah. I noticed that there was a word spelled in British English, but there were no other words spelled that way. I was wondering if I should leave the British English spelling the way that it is or if I should change it to American English. My apologies if this is a frequently asked question.

sussybaka6000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sussybaka6000 (talk • contribs)

Sussybaka6000 the policy is at WP:ENGVAR. A is for Allah is an album by a British artist, released by a British label, so it has strong ties to the UK and should use British English. Generally a spelling variant should not be changed. TSventon (talk) 15:06, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this for me and for providing me with the policy for spelling. Sussybaka6000 (talk) 15:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Manuel Belgrano

Sirs, "Serols" indicates me that my "recent contribution does not appear constructive". On the contrary, I find it highly constructive if you accept that a language must be as clear as possible. That "Serols" does not specify why my contribution is not constructive. Nevertheless, his point of view will be dully regarded. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.58.243 (talk) 15:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello 83.60.58.243, please note, Castilian is not a country, its a region in Spain. Regards --Serols (talk) 15:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Serols: but, more relevant, it is a dialect of Spanish, different from Catalan and from New World Spanish. Maproom (talk) 16:00, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Maproom but the corresponding sources for the changes are also missing, see here 1 2. US revolution is also not correct. --Serols (talk) 16:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The issue is complicated further by the fact that Manuel Belgrano lived in the late 18th - early 19th century. This might mean that at the time regional variations of Spanish were more important that today. I know nothing about the subject, but according to Standard_Spanish#The_old_colonies_and_the_Royal_Spanish_Academy it seems the language was fixed in a standard form (in the old world anyway) during the 18th century.

At any rate, Serols, I think the canned templates left at User talk:83.60.58.243 were a bit harsh. I know those are automated and left by Huggle, but please remember that you are responsible for the edits you make through automated tools. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

ADA issue : Dark Mode?

Please how to turn on Dark Mode? I am legally blind and barely see the text in light mode. Is there a way to turn on the Dark Mode? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9001:1E0C:7671:65CC:CAB8:C7EF:21EE (talk) 16:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I hope this link: Wikipedia:Dark mode can be of some assistance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

You may also want to try the (not specific to Wikipedia) browser extension Dark Reader, which usually works quite well on Wikipedia, in my experience. Rummskartoffel 20:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

American Comedian Jeff Klinger

To whom this may concern,

My boss, Jeffrey Klinger created a Wikipedia page in 2005 and it has recently disappeared. I would like to see how to recover the information so we don't have to create a new page. Thank you for any help.

Amber Phillips Executive Assistant to Jeffrey Klinger

Page created 2005 American Comedian Jeffrey Klinger Missing may 2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amberpa820 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Amberpa820 It would not be your "bosses wikipedia page" but a Wikipedia article about your boss. No article by the name Jeffrey Klinger has existed, in either the encyclopedia itself or in Draft space. Would it have been under another name? 331dot (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Amberpa820 and 331dot: An article about a American comedian named Jeff Klinger was deleted in 2020 - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Klinger. GoingBatty (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

GoingBatty I think we found it at the same time. :) 331dot (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

You all are amazing!! Amberpa820 (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, I have no idea what I am doing. American Comedian Jeff Klinger or Jeff Klinger American Comedian would have been the name. Amberpa820 (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Amberpa820 It was written in 2007, but there was an article at Jeff Klinger, deleted per this discussion. You can request that it be undeleted and moved to Draft space for further work at WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!! Amberpa820 (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Amberpa820, that deleted article was entirely unreferenced and therefore a policy violation. Please comply with the mandatory Paid contributions disclose. Cullen328 (talk) 18:57, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Amberpa820. It sounds as if you and your boss have a (very common) complete misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. The article that was deleted did not belong to Klinger, and he should not have created it. If he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about him. It would not belong to him or to you, he and you would not control its contents (though you would be welcome to suggest edits using the edit request mechanism), it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with him have chosen to publish about him, not on what he or his associates say or want to say. Promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. If, given this information, you wish to go ahead and attempt the very difficult task of creating an article about him, you need to start by declaring your status as a paid editor, then read Your first article carefully. You will need to find several reliable sources, wholly unconnected with Klinger - reviews in quality papers might help, and then, having created a draft using the articles for creation mechanism, you would need to forget pretty well every thing you know about him, and write an article based purely on what those independent sources say about him. It is unlikely that the text of the deleted article would be of any help for you, because it is almost certainly based on what he knows and wants to say, and Wikipedia is basically not interested in what anybody wants to say about themselves. ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Account restart.

Help restarting my account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.160.127.21 (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

It's difficult to help without knowing what your account is, but do you mean that you forgot the password? 331dot (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Colour box border

Is it possible to change the thickness of a colour box border? For example, I would like to generate a colour box with a white background and 3px solid red border. Can I do this or are there alternatives? Thank you! Vesuvio14 (talk) 19:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Vesuvio14: Which feature are you trying to use and where? It appears to be about Template:Color box. That template doesn't currently have an option to change the border width. Where and how often do you want to do it? If it's just one place then it's easiest to make specific code there without using a template. Or you could use {{replace}} as a wrapper to modify the template output but such a solution can be unstable. {{replace|{{color box|white|text|black|border=red}}|1px|3px}} produces  text . PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: It is just one place. How would I make a specific code? Vesuvio14 (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Vesuvio14: One way is to enter code with {{color box}} at Special:ExpandTemplates and modify the result. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you so much! I would never have come across that tool. Worked a treat! Vesuvio14 (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

June 21

linking to other wiki sites

could you please tell me which page I would go to, in order to view a list of all prefixes that are used to link to other wiki sites? such as meta site, foundation, etc? thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Think you mean List of Wikipedias#Details table. Moxy- 02:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sm8900 the whole interwiki prefix list can be found at Special:Interwiki. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:43, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sm8900 there is also a help page at Help:Interwiki linking. TSventon (talk) 08:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Just a quick question regarding naming conventions of saints' articles as I haven't been able to get any assistance from the related WikiProjects. Should a subject's native name be used or an anglicised version of it. I am aware that the version with established English-language usage should be used, but what about in cases where there is no real established usage? For example, I recently created the page John of Tufara. However, almost all sources I could find are in Italian so use the name Giovanni. I did come across one or two English sources (which used Giovanni) but these appeared to be translations of the Italian sources. Could I please have a suggestion on what name to use? Thank you so much in advance! Vesuvio14 (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Vesuvio14 There is some guidance at Wikipedia:Article titles#Foreign names and Anglicization, where the last sentence says "If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader." For John of Tufara, I found Memory and Community in Medieval Southern Italy The History, Chapter Book, and Necrology of Santa Maria Del Gualdo Mazzocca by Charles Hilken, 1955 via Google books, which mentions "St. John of Tufara" on page 1. TSventon (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Further to that, I came across the page Juan de Ortega (hermit). Should I rename this? Vesuvio14 (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Vesuvio14 The page history for 2016 says "Mannanan51 moved page John the Hermit to Juan de Ortega (hermit): most commonly known for founding eponymous monastery", so I would leave it. I haven't researched what name English language sources use and several of the article sources don't seem to be available online. I found two wikidata items for the subject, so I merged them. TSventon (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Vesuvio14 (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Namelist

I'm writing an article on a Pamela Balash-Webber. Is it right or wrong to put her on Webber (surname)? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I would think it would be fine. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

ABCDE - CD Ripper Page is missing

Hi, Just wanted to make a note that the "ABCDE CD Ripper" page that was previously present, has gone missing and is now not available!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.216.90 (talk) 13:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

This is also being asked at WP:Teahouse, and it is being addressed there. Please only ask in one location, not multiple. Thanks. Feline Hymnic (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Articles tagged with issues

I stumbled across this page here while attempting cleanup for several tennis articles. I want to start working towards making this page smaller but would at least like to start with pages I have created since I am a prolific editor in that area. Is there any way to get a page of results like this but instead of all articles in the Tennis WikiProject showing up, it just shows a list of articles I created, whether they be in the Tennis WikiProject or not? Adamtt9 (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

You can see the quality of all created articles at https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Adamtt9. The link you've provided is done by a bot updating this info, so it's unlikely to be something you can customise to this point.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft articles and order of article content

I am currently working on a draft article. Throughout my editing of completed articles I've noticed that the article summary/intro paragraph is placed beneath the infobox on edit mode but appears above the infobox when not on editing mode. However, when I place the intro paragraph below the infobox on my draft article, it still appears below the infobox when I am not editing. Is this something that will change when the article is published, or I am doing something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catsandgurdies (talk • contribs) 16:21, 21 June 2022 (UTC)