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I wonder how the community views the issue. BTW, I've exhausted my revert quota for today. — [[User:Kashmiri|<span style="color:#30c;font:italic bold 1em 'Candara';text-shadow:#aaf 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">kashmīrī</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Kashmiri|<sup style="color:#80f;font-family:'Candara';">TALK</sup>]] 21:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
I wonder how the community views the issue. BTW, I've exhausted my revert quota for today. — [[User:Kashmiri|<span style="color:#30c;font:italic bold 1em 'Candara';text-shadow:#aaf 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">kashmīrī</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Kashmiri|<sup style="color:#80f;font-family:'Candara';">TALK</sup>]] 21:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)


: What a bunch of blatant lies. Total mischaracterization of an image, it's not from London, there is nothing in the source that says this is a protest by jews. Also, you claim that I accused someone of being a Hamas supporter simply because I added a link to an article about decades of Palestinian claims against Israel?
: What a bunch of blatant lies. Total mischaracterization of an image, it's not from London, there is nothing in the source that says this is a protest by jews. Also, you claim that I accused someone of being a Hamas supporter simply because I added a link to an article about decades of Palestinian claims against Israel? Kashmiri, you seem to be blatantly pushing your pro-Palestinian bias. Please refrain from editing pages related to this topic.[[User:Monopoly31121993(2)|Monopoly31121993(2)]] ([[User talk:Monopoly31121993(2)|talk]]) 08:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
:: And btw, the image that you claim (inaccurately) shows Jews in London was replaced with a relevant image of a protester claiming "genocide" was being carried out in Palestine on Oct. 9th immediately after the war began which clearly shows that the "genocide" accusation has been around even before the Israeli invasion. The explanation that I provided was that the replacement image was not relevant to section that it had been posted in previously but was relevant to the section where I had moved it. There was however only space for one image in that section.[[User:Monopoly31121993(2)|Monopoly31121993(2)]] ([[User talk:Monopoly31121993(2)|talk]]) 08:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Kashmiri, you seem to be blatantly pushing your pro-Palestinian bias. Please refrain from editing pages related to this topic.[[User:Monopoly31121993(2)|Monopoly31121993(2)]] ([[User talk:Monopoly31121993(2)|talk]]) 08:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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Combatting recency bias

As Super Dromaeosaurus highlights in a previous discussion on this talk page there is a prominent recency bias in the article due to the ongoing 2023 Israel-Hamas War and this bringing new prominence to the discussion of genocide of the Palestinians.

I've gone through some searches to pull the following news and opinion articles which comment on a genocide of the Palestinians (supportive of the allegation or against it) that have been published prior to 2023.

News sources
2000–2010
2010–2015
2015–2020
2020–2023

I plan to gather a better list of academic pieces that have currently not been used in the article over the next week. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 23:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As stated here is a list of academic articles, books, and such that we don't use in the article, most of which occur from before the Israel-Hamas war.
Academic sources
1950–2000
2000–2010
2010–2015
2015–2020
2020–September 2023
October 2023–Present
-- Cdjp1 (talk) 19:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think recency bias is unreasonable here considering the current accusation (in this war) is by far the most significant. JDiala (talk) 08:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also think that it seems reasonable to expand on this article with the reliable sources that you have found. David A (talk) 08:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear

The Bias Against Israel on Wikipedia p-11. Ho hum. Selfstudier (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it seems like the problem isn't that 2.3 million Palestinians will soon have all been gleefully, enthusiastically, sadistically, and maliciously starved to death. The problem was that anybody reported truthfully about that it ever happened. I suppose that warrants lots of lobbying for censorship against the Wikimedia Foundation. David A (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, no matter how neutral it tries to be, will always be considered "biased" by some party to the conflict, due to the opposing sides wildly diverging perspectives on the conflict. I don't think there's much reason to pay attention to this critique as the World Jewish Congress is hardly an impartial observer here. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think that we should underestimate the enormous lobbying power of AIPAC or the extreme willingness of United States politicians to act according to their wishes, possibly including passing legislation to systematically censor Wikipedia. David A (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some recent work by the author of that missive. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378467937_Beauty_work_or_beauty_care_Women's_perceptions_of_appearance_in_the_second_half_of_life Selfstudier (talk) 09:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The author mentions Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany in an interview in response to the question "What has been the most biased Wikipedia entry you have seen?". Said article was created by the one who shall not be named. Selfstudier (talk) 18:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That article was created as "holocaust inversion" and has since been renamed and rather significantly edited. IMO it's more NPOV now than it was when it was created.
I wish the author would create an account here and really get into the detailed process of challenging NPOV, because either there are sources we're missing that should be incorporated into these articles, or there aren't, but AFAICS neither the paper nor the interviews get into that inconvenient level of detail. Levivich (talk) 18:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, the paper cites no sources, no scholarship that could be used here. The piece is basically a polemic with no references that illustrate the bias in this article. If this article is unfairly biased, it's because the reliable sources are intellectually compromised, and there's nothing any editor can do about that. Jonathan f1 (talk) 04:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

There is an infobox on this page: Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. Why can’t there be one here. There was one, but it was removed, It could be restored with any necessary changes. Scientelensia (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valuable image removed?

User:Monopoly31121993(2) removed[1] a long-standing photo of Jewish people protesting against the Palestinian genocide in London, initially without a rationale, then (when reverted) with an edit summary stating that there was not enough room for two images removed the less relevant image which is also highly offensive to most Jews who consider the genocide accusation as blood libel[2] This edit and comment seemed to censor the fact that Israeli policies also face opposition by some Jews. Combined with the fact that Monopoly31121993(2) today tried to brand all those bringing up the accusations of genocide as Hamas supporters[3], I'm apprehensive that this removal may not be to the benefit of Wikipedia.

I wonder how the community views the issue. BTW, I've exhausted my revert quota for today. — kashmīrī TALK 21:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What a bunch of blatant lies. Total mischaracterization of an image, it's not from London, there is nothing in the source that says this is a protest by jews. Also, you claim that I accused someone of being a Hamas supporter simply because I added a link to an article about decades of Palestinian claims against Israel? Kashmiri, you seem to be blatantly pushing your pro-Palestinian bias. Please refrain from editing pages related to this topic.Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 08:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And btw, the image that you claim (inaccurately) shows Jews in London was replaced with a relevant image of a protester claiming "genocide" was being carried out in Palestine on Oct. 9th immediately after the war began which clearly shows that the "genocide" accusation has been around even before the Israeli invasion. The explanation that I provided was that the replacement image was not relevant to section that it had been posted in previously but was relevant to the section where I had moved it. There was however only space for one image in that section.Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 08:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]