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Please check the archives for anything older. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Your help needed

Hi Moreschi, Some of the usual suspects on India-related pages, in particular:

• Nikkul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Bharatveer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

have apparently now been joined by

• Beamathan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Desione (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

in attempting to move Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (a page name in keeping with those on Britannica, Encarta, Columbia, Webster's encyclopedias, as well as the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography) to Mahatma Gandhi (where "Mahatma" an honorific (and qualifier) is explicitly discouraged in the lead of WP:NAMEPEOPLE. user:Nikkul is now attempting to conduct a straw-poll and user:Beamathan is talking about moving the page-name regardless. Can the page be protected? Or at least protected against moves? Sorry for dumping this on you, but I am beginning to get a big headache with their antics. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Appreciation of administration administered

Moreschi, I just wanted to express my appreciation for the fact that you have decided to take action as an admin on what seems rather clear evidence of disruption. There is on need to bog down arbitration with these things. Best.PelleSmith (talk) 16:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Appreciation appreciated :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Seen this?

[1]. I think you might have more experience with the nuts and bolts of setting up these things (WP:FTN). --Folantin (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest "National, ethnic and cultural conflicts [or edit wars?] noticeboard" as the title. See this first [2]. --Folantin (talk) 17:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I don't have time to set it up today anyway, but that's now at the top of things-to-do. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Are these comments about living authors acceptable?

Please take a look at [3], a debate about the authors of a quote I've used in the Cahokia article. The debate I am not so bothered about, the comments on the authors (which I've just summarised at the bottom) I don't know what to do about (if anything should be done of course). If I found it on a talk page I wasn't involved in I might delete it myself, but I can't do that here even if it should be done. Thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 18:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know..

That after your indefinite block of User:Dzonatas he was sending emails via the MediaWiki interface with further attacks on editors, so I reapplied the block, this time with email ability disabled. SirFozzie (talk) 02:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Tabal

• Hi, I've decided to check some sources on Tabal and have withdrawn my question to you on it. I still think they spoke an Indo-Europeans language though. Cheers, Artene50 (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Great :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hellenic Sock drawer

Hi, Moreschi. I am a long time admirer of your anti-Plague efforts. A "new" user named User:Dvaaeg has been revert warring at Florina. He appears to be part of the User:Aegeanhawk and User:Aee1980 franchise. Would you mind taking a look? I have filed a report at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Dvaaeg_reported_by_User:Aramgar_.28Result:_.29. Thanks, Aramgar (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

He's been blocked for 24h by ChrisO: I've filed a checkuser request. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Moreschi - I think that IP:77.83.189.85 should be added to the RfCU. I wasn't sure if I should do this myself, so I'm notifying you. This IP is removing the Slavic name from the lead of Florina and changing Macedonia to FYROM in various other articles. Thanks, Kafka Liz (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi, thanks for all your good work. Please let me know if I can be of assistance. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 23:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks from me, too. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 23:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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Mactruth: A Drama

My valiant liege, I come with dismal tidings:
Mighty Mactruth, the thane of Skopje, hath,
Of Macedonian strife grossly enraged,
Forsaken all pretence of peace and reason,
And bloody battle sworn upon the 'pedia.
Now redirects he madly strews about:
Some call it pointy; others, vandal's madness,
some say it's valiant fury: but, for certain,
He cannot buckle his distemper'd course
Within the belt of rule. I only halted
For one short day his rage. Who will perform
What needful course in measure, time and place
Can keep disruption off our peaceful folds?

Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha. What a wonderful thing to find on your talkpage in the morning :)

Anyway, levity over. He's topic-banned for 2 months. When will they learn, you wonder? Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You know, pretty soon it'll just be FP allowed to edit the topic.... :) BalkanFever 12:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course, that is my ill-concealèd purpose
In doing what I do. And once my triumph
I see completed, and my labours crowned
With full success, and world dominion mine,
I will proceed towards rewriting promptly
Whatever articles this website holds
That deal with your fair Macedonian lands
In purest blank verse. Nothing then will keep
Me back from furthering my chosen task:
Shakespearean pentameter shall reign
Supreme, where Alexander lived, and where Philip was slain.

--Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't really argue with that now, can I? BalkanFever 13:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's leave it to the real Shakespeare to decide on Macedonian matters. This from Henry V:

FLUELLEN Ay, [King Henry] was porn at Monmouth, Captain Gower. What call you the town's name where Alexander the Pig was born!

GOWER Alexander the Great.

FLUELLEN Why, I pray you, is not pig great? the pig, or the great, or the mighty, or the huge, or the magnanimous, are all one reckonings, save the phrase is a little variations.

GOWER I think Alexander the Great was born in Macedon; his father was called Philip of Macedon, as I take it.

FLUELLEN I think it is in Macedon where Alexander is porn. I tell you, captain, if you look in the maps of the 'orld, I warrant you sall find, in the comparisons between Macedon and Monmouth, that the situations, look you, is both alike. There is a river in Macedon; and there is also moreover a river at Monmouth: it is called Wye at Monmouth; but it is out of my prains what is the name of the other river; but 'tis all one, 'tis alike as my fingers is to my fingers, and there is salmons in both. If you mark Alexander's life well, Harry of Monmouth's life is come after it indifferent well; for there is figures in all things. Alexander, God knows, and you know, in his rages, and his furies, and his wraths, and his cholers, and his moods, and his displeasures, and his indignations, and also being a little intoxicates in his prains, did, in his ales and his angers, look you, kill his best friend, Cleitus.

GOWER Our king is not like him in that: he never killed any of his friends.

FLUELLEN It is not well done, mark you now take the tales out of my mouth, ere it is made and finished. I speak but in the figures and comparisons of it: as Alexander killed his friend Cleitus, being in his ales and his cups; so also Harry Monmouth, being in his right wits and his good judgments, turned away the fat knight with the great belly-doublet: he was full of jests, and gipes, and knaveries, and mocks; I have forgot his name.

GOWER Sir John Falstaff.

FLUELLEN That is he: I'll tell you there is good men porn at Monmouth.

--Folantin (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Protection

Dear Moreschi, this article Colchis needs protection again, the vandal is back (he was banned before but now uses new account), he removes content and leaves attacks on our talk pages. Thanks in advance. Iberieli (talk) 18:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Dealt with via blocks. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 11:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Moreschi. The blocked User:Kolkhianboy has reincarnated as User:Anti-Kartvel, choosing his new username due to his habitual prejudice toward the term "Kartvelian", which is, among other things, a clear violation of WP:IU. I would very much appreciate if you could help with this troublesome guy. Best regards, --Kober^Talk 15:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite right: CU confirmed. Blocked as well. Let me know if anything else comes up :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 16:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for good job, Moreschi. :) --Kober^Talk 06:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Not allowed to notify editors of arbitration sanctions?

Moreschi, I think you should take a look at this discussion - you opined a few days ago that any admin can log a notification, but the converse is being argued here. I've left a request for clarification on the thread. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Dealt with. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 11:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

AE thread

On your current AE thread, could you put some diffs and specific threads, ie, a bit of detail? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do shortly. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 11:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Dvaeeg checkuser results

Hello Moreschi. CU did not confirm Aee1980 as a Mywayyy sock, as yet. How about retagging Aee1980 as the puppetmaster and making Dvaeeg be his sock? The sockpuppet categories for Mywayyy seem to be based on old data (2007 and earlier) anyway so maybe start a new puppet category for Aee1980? EdJohnston (talk) 01:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Shrug. I'd be very surprised if Mywayyy is not behind this all, based on my experiences with this current lot and AerospaceM (talk · contribs). Admittedly, there's not the CU data to back this up, but IMO it is highly probable based on contribution comparison. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 09:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Mactruth

I have been blocked from all Macedonia related articles across WP for 2 months. I believe I should be unblocked. Before I get into the reasoning, I would like to state to look at all Macedonia related articles. You will see that I am one of the people who try to keep calm, talk things out and make edits based on sources. When I found the "History of modern Macedonia" article, I quickly realized the article was POV pushing since it only discussed History of Greek Macedonia. I discussed the issue with other WP members in the talk page of that article, who agreed with me that the title is monopolization of the term "Macedonia." I posted the issue several times to several ADMINISTRATORS, but the response from the ADMINS were absent. Instead of trying to fix the issue immediately, ADMINS ignored it without even sending a message to update me on the situation. After trying to get their attention about the issue multiple times, the issue was not dealt with. Because of that, I redirected a couple pages including "Modern Macedonia" to the Republic of Macedonia" since reasoning and discussion were being ignored. The interesting portion of this is "Modern Macedonia" redirect was IMMEDIATELY deleted as soon as a Greek pointed it out. So, I pointed my issue about a week ago and no response occurred, yet when a Greek pointed their issue it was IMMEDIATELY dealt with. Why is this the case? Unfair treatment led to my action. Mactruth (talk) 02:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. When I look at this, it seems as if the naming issue has been sorted out calmly and to what I presume is your satisfaction by others. The problem lies in your approach. You charged in like a high bull in a china shop with a bunch of completely illogical and pointy redirects. That's classic disruption, actually bordering on vandalism. You can hardly be surprised, nor can you justifiably complain, when you get punished for it. So, read the rules and come back to this topic in two months with a much calmer and more logical approach. Thank you. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 09:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't believe that naming issue has been resolved since a Greek member changed the name from the name given by Future, "History of Greek Macedonia" to "History of modern Macedonia (Greece)" which in my opinion still is monopolizing the term. I know my approach was unorthodox but believe me I did try using logic and reasoning but again the administrators were not resolving the issue, nor was I updated on the current situation or status. Again, the lack of reaction with my complaint compared to the quick reaction with the Greek complaint shows there is irregularity in how issues are dealt with. Again, the Administrators have to take quicker and more direct approaches to resolving complaints from BOTH members. Again, I believe my ban should at least be reduced to a lower amount. And administrators should react quicker, more direct and without BIAS next time. Mactruth (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi I was wondering if I could get a reply for my statements and an update of my ban. Again, I have learned my lesson, but from my POV in the future there needs to be NO BIAS in terms of reactions from ADMINs to complaints. Mactruth (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Mactruth II

Here is what I wrote on Future's discussion section:

I wanted to state that my block is over but I have been banned from Macedonia related issues for 2 months. I wanted to state my POV, which was I felt that there was a bias in terms of reaction to complaints. I complained for a week about the article, which is still monopolizing under the article name history of modern Macedonia (Greece) even though you renamed it "History of Greek Macedonia." The reasoning for the monopolizing is that is still states "modern." If I made an article called "History of modern Macedonia (Republic)" it would be changed immediately, which is my main complaint. When a Greek made a complaint about me redirecting articles, you immediately reacted. I have gotten over it and have learned my lesson, but I must insist that no reaction bias should be considered in the future.

Here is what I posted in the article History of modern Macedonia (Greece):

The article name is still monopolizing the term "Macedonia." I must ask the Greeks, what would be your reaction if I created an article entitled "History of modern Macedonia (Republic)"? You would object to monopolization. I believe a good compromise would be:

1. History of Macedonia (Greece) - this is consistent since "Republic of Macedonia" has the article "History of the Republic of Macedonia" therefore the article "Macedonia (Greece)" should have the article "History of Macedonia (Greece)" to be consistent.
2. History of Greek Macedonia - The name implies it is the Greek region of Macedonia and it differentiated from the Republic of Macedonia without monopolization.

In terms of the article Macedonia (region) below to the "See also" section, "History of Greek Macedonia" is directed to History of modern Macedonia. Please direct the page to the appropriate article. Mactruth (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Trial by Jury

HEy, Moreschi! Just so you know, Trial by Jury is going through the last stages of cleanup before a featured article nomination. If you'd like to help, it would be appreciated. H.M.S. Pinafore has been chosen as the next project. Work has barely begun there. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you please delete this?

Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sceptre,_Sxeptomaniac,_SirFozzie,_B? Per concerns at ANI and in the RFC itself and on the initiator's talk page.

I'd asked another administrator (Nishkid64) but he said he's busy and to ask another admin [4].

Thanks. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Al-Durrah

Awwww, c'mon Moreschi, please just give it a try? Maybe my method won't work, maybe it will, but it would mean a lot to me if you could back me up, even in the short term? I have huge respect for you, especially because you of all people know the complexities of the "plague" situation. I've had some excellent success at the Hungarian/Slovakian page, so please, could you support me on a similar experiment at the al-Durrah page? Pretty please?  :) It might make things a bit messy at the beginning, but don't worry, I've got longterm plans which I think you'll approve of. Trust me.  :) --Elonka 19:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I know. I'll be nice to the regulars. The SPAs I will not, particularly not when they break the rules like that and try to spark off more revert-warring. There's no dealing with obsessives...which unfortunately is what SPAs usually are. Tundrabuggy has been topic-banned anyway for that one, and his mate will have to watch her step. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, congrats on the Wikipedia:Ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard! I think it's a great addition.  :) --Elonka 19:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :) On Al-Durrah, we also have to bear BLP in mind. Not to mention WP:FRINGE. Just because it's not libellous to say Enderlin was lying doesn't mean that the mainstream view isn't that the boy is dead. Hell, I can't even find anything from the Israeli army disputing his death, who logically would be the first people to do so. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Request_for_injunction_and_restoration_of_deleted_RFC:_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.23Intelligent_design_editors Odd nature (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a merge to the THIRD RfC they set up would be a good compromise? SirFozzie (talk) 02:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Copy

Can you move a copy of my comments from Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sceptre, Sxeptomaniac, SirFozzie, B and the associated talk page thereof to a user subpage of mine? Thanks! PouponOnToast (talk) 19:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see

[5] for my suggestions in relation to the Obama matter. Without these sort of remedies being enforced, I don't think the situation is going to improve, and going through that talk page did take a long time! I'm not sure if the matter has been forgotten, or MastCell is busy, but I've left a note just in case. Cheers. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Reverting which may seem like edit warring

Hi Moreschi, I felt Pedrito made an error by removing content from the references when he added the "ref name" tags so I reverted this edit.[8] In retrospect, this move might seem to an external observer as edit-warring by me and I'm really interested in resolving this issue without enhancing any disputes so I'd appreciate it if you give a look and tell me if my concerns are correct. In fact, some external observation/mediation on this article seems to be a necessity considering that there seems to be a communication problem between me and Pedrito. To put is succinctly, I feel that he's misreading and enhancing material from the sources - and I'm fairly certain that he feels I'm ignoring core material. Would appreciate your participation as an accepted mediator (at least on my side).
Cheers, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 10:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC) clarify 10:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

ARBoVision

Hello! Skopje calling! Various pages (mostly Eurovision-related) affected by the use of FYR, among other things, involving me (today), Isavevski (talk · contribs) and 157.228.x.x (talk · contribs) (for a long while), along with some random anons. 157 blocked for 24 hours for breaking 3RR. Pretty much all the articles this table] we involved. Any further action needed? I'd do a whole thing on twelve point but I'm not as creative as Fut. Perf.BalkanFever 14:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking at it. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 20:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

So I assume nothing needs to be done? BalkanFever 05:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Civility supervision

Does this piss off breach this civility supervision. Additionally he's being telling me to f*ck off all day on ru.wiki, but I don't think that one counts here. --Laveol ^T 19:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Does indeed. 31 hours for him. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

GiovaniG, et al

You've got more experience with this group than I, what do you make of this: User_talk:Rlevse#Request_for_check_up? — Rlevse • Talk • 19:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

This is probably meatpuppetry. Marygiove is self-evidently related to Giovanni - just check the contributions - and the other related accounts are also, I suspect, part of a meatspace tag-team. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Digwuren case

Hi Moreschi! Daniel proposed a motion with regard to the amendment of Digwiren case [9]. Could you please look at the definition of an "uninvolved administrator" there? I am really concerned that an "uninvolved" but a highly opinionated administrator who actually edits in the area of conflict (and you know a lot of them) might block any other users at will based on such ruling. The area of conflict also seem to be poorly defined. Could you please comment on that? Thank you. Biophys (talk) 04:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the area of conflict, that needs better definition. Will attend to this shortly. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

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User:Mactruth

Per ARBCAM: The aformentioned user is "banned from all pages that relate to Macedonia for two months".

Since you are the one the one you imposed the topic ban, and after Mactruth's edits here, please clarify whether the topic ban includes the talk pages or not. Respectfully,--Yannismarou (talk) 16:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

There's been a lot of people arguing saying I'm banned from editing all pages across WP that involve the Macedonia topic, but I've been confused myself. I have been on the talk pages, but I don't think that counts as editing the actual articles? Does it? Is discussion the same as editing? Here was your explanation to me Mactruth (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Even if you were allowed to edit article talk pages, I don't think inflammatory posts like this, in which you label Greeks "Christian Turks", are the way to go. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 03:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Very true. Further comment on Mactruth's talk. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Molobo

As I've noted here, I very strongly object to this block. I see no evidence of 3RR violation, sockpuppetry, even revert warring. Any editors, per AGF and WP:BRD has the right to revert every now and then, and I see nothing in Molobo's edits that looks "over the top".--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Molobo? Cast-iron. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he has once edited an article as an anon, in a case that is a very dubious breach of 3RR. Per AGF, it neither looks like he breeched 3RR there, nor like he logged out on purpose. If you want to build a case for perblock on that, please go ahead and block me too, as well as 90% of Wikipedians out there. Seriously: Molobo should not be permblocked without an ArbCom ruling, he has done nothing disruptive enough to warrant such a treatment.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Most importantly, he shouldn't be unblocked, because he even didn't serve his one year ban. Molobo was still editing either as an IP, or through proxy users, while he was banned. And you know it Piotrus very well. He hasn't changed at all just check his block log at pl.wikipedia. Only change that might be worth consideration is banning from whole wiki project all together. Cheers. M0RD00R (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfounded accusations (Care to point out to the checkuser supporting your accusation). Molobo was blocked and got a bad reputation significantly because several users pushing fringe POV repeated such claims, and despite lack of truth to most of them, mud stucks... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

More User:PIO

Hi, wondering if you would finally resolve this ugly business: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/PIO (3rd)? Be advised that User:Luigi 28/PIO has intentionally cluttered the report up to prevent a resolution. He added tons of info completely irrelevant to the sockpuppeteering accusation (such as a list of occurrences when I called him "PIO"). The fact that anyone wanting to end this guy's disruption would have to sift through the gibberish is probably the only reason he's still not blocked. Would really appreciate it if you could find the time to have a look, this matter is affecting a number of editors and disrupting work on articles, thanks. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 15:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)