Talk:Melody (Japanese singer)

Vegan?

Does anyone have a reliable source for melody. being vegan? Thanks! --217.51.193.3 03:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Nobody...? --217.51.198.198 00:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Where does it say that she's a vegan? I can't find it being mentioned in the Biography section. --Mondorescue (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Birth name?

The infobox says that Melody's birth name is Miyuki Melody Ishikawa. Isn't Ishikawa her husband's surname that she took when they got married? Can this be called a "birth name"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.146.13.162 (talk) 09:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Good point. A taken name is definitely not a birth name, I'll change that now. Eugeniu Bmsg 00:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The names appear to be similar. Miyavi's name is "Ishihara". Ishikawa may well be melody.'s actual maiden name, though I can't find a source to confirm this. I'm keeping her real name as "Ishikawa" on the Dutch version of this page.CarelessTantrum (talk) 09:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 1

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Melody Miyuki Ishikawa. Consensus was clearly against the old title so a move was called for. The selected target seems to have had the most support. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Melody. (Japanese singer) → melody. – Already a redirect for her, and the period is a simple way to disambiguate. relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Xfansd (talk) 17:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose per MOS:TM. Should be Melody (Japanese singer). Powers ^T 19:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

• Move to Melody Miyuki Ishikawa. This form of her name is from her Facebook fan page. Not exactly RS, but the best I could find. We use the full name if it is "fairly often used," according to WP:NCP. Kauffner (talk) 04:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Ordinarily I might agree with LtPowers. However, the article curently has her as Melody. (Japanese singer) with the period. For a comparison, Yahoo redirects to Yahoo!, and Jeopardy to Jeopardy!. To me those are strong precedents for melody. with the period. Alden Loveshade (talk) 05:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

What about Pink (singer) (not P!nk) or Kesha (not Ke$ha)? Many Japanese singers use all-caps on their album labels, but nonetheless get conventional capitalization on Wiki. With so many article titles on Wiki, you can go anywhere you like with these kinds of analogies. Kauffner (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

While this isn't an AfD, the logic behind this section applies here as well. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

• Move to Melody Miyuki Ishikawa. The lower case M and the period should not be used in a page title. Paved with good intentions (talk) 00:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• Move to Melody Miyuki Ishikawa. "melody" should either be deleted as miscapitalised or redirected to Melody. One singer cannot be allowed to appropriate a common English word. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. The full stop is certainly not sufficient to make the topic obvious. The proposed title would be seriously misleading. It's good as it is; a move to the full name would be acceptable also. Noetica^Tea? 21:50, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support LtPowers' move, I agree that the nom's proposal would be neat, but the period is a stylisation and should be removed. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose the proposal and the current title per MOS:TM. Periods/fullstops can be highly confusing if used incorrectly. Wikipedia isn't a fan site or even a music encyclopedia (cf. Allmusic). As a general reference, it should preserve general rules of language as much as possible to aid readers who are not familiar with topics. I support either Melody (Japanese singer) or Melody Miyuki Ishikawa, whichever other users like better. —  AjaxSmack  03:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Move? 2

• Full name cannot be reliably sourced and therefore violates WP:BLP. —Ryulong (琉竜) 12:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
• See next section above. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
• Move to Melody (Japanese singer) which is her most notable occupation and does not have the stylization issues. Can also include Melody Ishihara, which is her married name and what she is currently using for official Twitter and Myspace interactions. -AngusWOOF (talk) 19:23, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

  The use of "Melody." is fine. This is a personal (if stage) name and they are not subject to WP:MOSTM. After all, see will.i.am, kd lang, bell hooks, etc. It is also the name she is most known as. But if she now refers to herself as "Melody Ishihara" then that can be included, but "Miyuki Ishikawa" definitely does not appear in any reliable sources, just as much as the full names of her children which was also previously on the page.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose the name requested was rejected in 2011, at the time of my comment, the article is residing at Melody. (Japanese singer) ; so this should move to Melody (Japanese singer) per MOS:FULLSTOP or Melody Ishihara per her myspace and twitter accounts. Amazon.jp does not use the fullstop either. -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

  WP:CONSENSUSCANCHANGE. And personal names are not subject to much of the manual of style requirements, and we have reliable sources that almost exclusively refer to her in English as "melody." with the fullstop, including her official profile which AngusWOOF posted below. This is more than enough to show that even if WP:MOSTM applied we are currently violating it, as it's not like "P!nk" or "Ke$ha" where "Pink" and "Kesha" are used more prevalently.—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:31, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  linking to WP:CCC means nothing unless you actually achieve a new consensus, which doesn't seem to be happening from the activity of this current survey. And from the responses of various editors here, MOS:FULLSTOP use the fullstop only on sentence terminals seems to be the MOS they prefer. -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 15:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  The only thing that's happening here is that "Melody." is not a suitable title, but "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" was even worse as it violated WP:BLP. So long as the page is not at that title, again, I am fine with the outcome here.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• This fullstop is a stylization which may be fine in advertisements about her but in text is a confusing breach of punctuation rules. Her name, de-stylized, is Melody, and as such needs a disambiguater. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  Tokyohive exclusively refers to her as "melody." though.—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:59, 12 October 2013 (UTC)m

• Like AngusWOOF and the IP, I support Melody Ishikawa Melody Ishihara. Thousands of sites refer to this subject as “Melody Miyuki Ishikawa,” including her IMBD bio and the credits for a U.S. show she appeared on. She uses "Melody Ishikawa" "Melody Ishihara” on Twitter and MySpace. A conventional first-name-last-name format and typography looks more encyclopedic, assuming this can be justified based on real-world usage. The Viking at Stamford Bridge (talk) 07:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  "Melody Ishikawa" cannot be reliably sourced. The prevalence of "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" on the internet is a result of her fans not caring that her name is not public, particularly on IMDB which is a user created website (LucyWho is questionable). Also, on Twitter and Myspace her name is her married name "Melody Ishihara", which is not the name she used professionally. I would support "Melody (Japanese singer)" (without the fullstop) as the page title, but there is still no reason to institute a double standard where we have "will.i.am" as a suitable article title. The only reason "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" was even used was because of an unofficial Facebook fanpage from two years ago when the rules on Facebook were more lax. "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" violates WP:BLP as it cannot be reliably sourced as being her full name in any sense of the word. "Ishihara" as her married name is only vaguely usable, but it wasn't the name she was best known as.—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:59, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  MOS:JAPAN says, "Use the form personally or professionally used by the person (such as on their official website or official social media profile)." See? We can use Twitter and MySpace as sources. (BTW, I don't care much for this guideline, despite its usefulness in this situation.) Her full name was never a secret, so it is not like there is a privacy issue. BLP is about material, "challenged or likely to be challenged." Using it to put odd punctuation in a title is just so much Wikilawyering. The Viking at Stamford Bridge (talk) 08:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  As a musical artist she was known as "melody." for much longer though, and I don't see any reliable sources that say her birth name was ever "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" so it's a BLP to say that this is the truth when there are no sources to back it up. There are also many musical artists in Japan known solely as their stagenames who have their birth names an apparent "open secret" (Yui (singer), Misia, Becky (television personality), etc.) but we cannot report on this information because there are no reliable sources that verify it, particularly the Japanese way of writing for the three I listed (their names are allegedly reported elsewhere but in English).—Ryulong (琉竜) 09:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  It seems to me that the period is obviously not going to happen. So you should be thinking whether you prefer her married name or the parenthetical as a disambiguator. The Viking at Stamford Bridge (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  I don't see why it shouldn't. Married name isn't necessary when it's not what's in reliable sources. "melody" (lower case) is in reliable sources, and because there are other musicians known as "Melody" that means a parenthetical is fine, although the current title suffices as well.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  The Toy's Factory Japanese version lists Melody as her real name along with (メロディ). It does not specify her surname, although it has other information have publically shown her birthdate (some with month year and others with month day, year) and her birthplace (Hawaii). The rest of her profile article uses "melody." when referring to her. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - move to Melody (Japanese singer) as Melody (Belgian singer), Melody (Spanish singer). In ictu oculi (talk) 15:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
• Move to Melody Ishihara or Melody (Japanese singer): The "." (and lowercasing) affectation doesn't need to be copied here (at least unless it is nearly universally applied in many reliable sources), and is a poor disambiguator by itself. We should generally try to use non-stylized names. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  Why should "melody" be forbidden when will.i.am and kd lang get this treatment?—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:30, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  I think that should depend on how universally the stylization is used in reliable sources. Wikipedia generally tries not to use strange stylizations when they can be avoided, although exceptions exist if there seems to be no way to avoid it based on reliable sources. A directly comparable counter-example is Fun (band), which uses the styling "fun." (with the "." and lowercase). —BarrelProof (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  Fun., however, is a band, and apparently band names count as trademarks. Mrs. Ishihara here is a person like will.i.am and k.d. lang and bell hooks, so her name is not subject to MOS:TM's rules and regulations.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:06, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  I don't think it really matters whether it's a band or an artist, as far as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned – MOS:TM applies regardless, and it does not matter whether we're talking about an official registered trademark or not. It applies to all "words and short phrases used by organizations and individuals to identify themselves and their products and services" (italics added for emphasis). Another counter-example is E. E. Cummings – an individual author who primarily published using the stylization "e. e. cummings". Incidentally, I suggest that you try to take a step back in this discussion and try not to feel like you need to respond to every comment made by anyone else. Personally, I'm going to try to step away for a while, as I think I have adequately expressed my current thinking on the subject. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  It does matter, otherwise will.i.am and k.d. lang would not be at the titles they are now. This is a constant issue with Japanese artists on Wikipedia and for the first time I have English language reliable sources that support a particular form so there is no reason "melody." should not be allowed (also E. E. Cummings#Name and capitalization disproves your point).—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

This source plainly says "[she] writes her name with a lower case m and a period". Frankly, the current page is better than having "Melody Ishihara" or "Melody (Japanese singer)". Just so long as "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" is never used again is fine.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• The only RS in this case is a couple of Tokyo entertainment publications with odd style rules. I find it unlikely she would get a period in her name if she was ever mentioned in something more mainstream like AP, The New York Times, or even Japan Times. My first choice is her married name. But I'd rather a period than "(Japanese singer)". The Viking at Stamford Bridge (talk) 08:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

English bio profile

Toy's Factory had an English website which profiled melody. in the web archives from 2007: http://web.archive.org/web/20090821140437/http://www.toysfactory.co.jp/english/artist/melody.html

Might be useful in filling out some old information. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2013 (UTC)