Talk:Hinduism

Sanatana Dharma again

The term "Sanatana Dharma" is already in the lead. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

And in a properly nuanced way. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Conversion

In this section of the article, "Islamic rule and sects of Hinduism (c. 1100-1850 CE)", there is a sentence, "During this period Buddhism declined rapidly and large number of Hindus converted to Islam" - please change that to "During this period Buddhism declined rapidly and a large number of Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam", because people were forcibly converted to Islam.-Raam2 (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@Raam2: What sources do you have to back up that statement? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

One source for forced conversion is, "Dalit's Inheritance in Hindu Religion", by Mahendra Singh, found at http://books.google.co.in/books?id=7CoelGoA6l8C&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=forced+conversion+aurangzeb&source=bl&ots=vgIv6_rEtA&sig=l3qhDFgLBMiHPff-qF8i6hOr4tI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oYzKU4vqLYv48QWJ2oLADw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=forced%20conversion%20aurangzeb&f=false and another is at http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_malfuzat_frameset.htm –Raam2 (talk) 16:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Another is http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/mm.htm –Raam2 (talk) 16:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

This "source"[3] literally states:

"He communed with this sky god before going into battle and before negotiating treaties, but at no time did he or any Mongol leader force this belief on others.".

It even goes on to say:

"Contrary to widespread belief, most Muslims in India and Indonesia were not converted by the sword. Some forced conversions did happen in India''

This "source"[4] does not mention forced conversation accruing in mass or small scale and that it instead states that it was only a policy. To clear up the amount, you should refer back to your first "source" that contradicts you. As for this "source"[5], it uses self published research which Wikipedia does not allow. If you really want to contribute please provided sources that you actually read instead of just search keyterms. Don't risk being blocked for such a behavior. AcidSnow (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't know what "behavior" of his made you threaten him for getting blocked. He may be a new user perhaps wanted to initiate a discussion on some point in the article. He did not go ahead and edit the article without discussing to warrant a warning like this. Learn to "Assume Good faith" and "Be nice to others". You seem to have worked up because he bought up a forced conversion issue. Lokesh 2000 (talk) 05:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I did not mean to threaten this user, all I was trying to do was inform him of the risks. I am sorry if it came out as such. I was not worked up about the topic, but rather how s/he used the same exact sources as another individual that was blocked and topic banned a few months ago. But, I hoped it was a coincidence and tired to inform him about what could happen if they continue like that other user had. As for "Assume Good faith", I had until I read their "sources". AcidSnow (talk) 13:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

One more source is: http://www.sikharchives.com/?p=2787 -Raam2 (talk) 14:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Not a reliable source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:12, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

For present day forced conversions in Pakistan, this is a source: Minority Rights Group International, World Directory of Minorities and Indigenous Peoples - Pakistan : Hindus, 2008, available at: http://www.refworld.org/docid/49749cd23c.html [accessed 23 July 2014] -Raam2 (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Irrelevant to the current topic. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:12, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Here are some more possible sources: http://books.google.com/books/about/Islamic_Jihad.html?id=T_tOAQAAIAAJ, http://books.google.com/books/about/Islam_and_Other_Religions.html?id=QJcHQgAACAAJ and http://books.google.com/books/about/Unsettling_Sikh_and_Muslim_Conflict.html?id=jdlxnuiem7IC

For conversion to christianity, we can possibly use: http://books.google.com/books/about/Conversion.html?id=L3TYAAAAMAAJ

This is one for Hindu temple destruction: http://books.google.com/books?id=LWOwVFfM7NgC&q=hindu#v=snippet&q=hindus&f=false-Raam2 (talk) 08:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

This "source"[6] literally states: "Contrary to widespread belief, most Muslims in India and Indonesia were not converted by the sword. Some forced conversions did happen in India", so can we mention that some forced conversions did happen in India, citing that source?-Raam2 (talk) 09:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Please do your homework better before presenting sources. One is a self-published book. One is a copy of Wikipedia articles. One lists no publisher so we have no idea how reliable it is. Suggest you present a source, explaining why it's reliable, what text you want to cite from it, and what you want to add to the article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:36, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The last source I typed about mentions that some forced conversions did happen in India. I would like to cite that, "some forced conversions did happen in India"–Raam2 (talk) 15:53, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

So the sentence I started with (at the top of this section) should be made, "During this period, Buddhism declined rapidly and a some Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam"-Raam2 (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2014 (UTC)