Talk:Jerusalem

The comparison between Jewish nationalism and history and Palestinian nationalism is ridiculous and not historically based!

The passage from : "Given the city's central position in both Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and Palestinian nationalism" to "modern Palestinians descend from all the different peoples who have lived in the region" is really an insult to the intelligence of the readers and a gross historic error. With all due respect to the feelings of the "Palestinians", I think it is historically fair to say that until 1967 no one recognized or spoke of a "Palestinian" people, let alone one which descended "from all the different peoples who have lived in the region". This is the CURRENT and may I add ridiculous claim of the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians but it is not supported by ANY historic evidence whatsoever. You can't compared the fabricated nationalism and history of the "Palestinian people" to the thousands years proven and documented history of the JEWISH people. This whole passage is highly politicized from the "Palestinian" side and has NOTHING to do with real factual history and it SEVERELY DAMAGES the credibility of WIKIPEDIA as a reliable source of information. One can argue whether the Jews had a right to re-establish their national home in Palestine, but one should NOT invent a whole new people and history as part of that argument and Wikipedia should've certainly not lower its standards so as to include such baseless arguments just because the authors "feels bad" for the "Palestinians". I do hope that corrections will be made to this passage. You can start by giving historic proof that connects the Arabs in Palestine in any way to the different peoples who have lived in the region, or by finding historic proof of a thousands year long Palestinian peopole. If such evidence does not exist, please remove the sentences that suggest this is so. I thought that Wikipedia tells us about the history that REALLY was and not what some people SAY it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.178.85 (talk) 05:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

You are wrong, sorry. Your thesis seems to be that Zionist historiography is unique amongst all of the world's national histories. I suggest you read the article Historiography and nationalism properly, and possibly educate yourself by reading the sources at Historiography_and_nationalism#Nationalism_in_general. Oncenawhile (talk) 06:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't think that you understood one word that I wrote. Did I compare Zionism to the "world's national histories"? NO. I compared it to the "Palestinian" national history which started after 1967 and not thousands of years ago like the "Palestinians" started to claim in recent years. I again stress that NO ONE SPOKE OF OR KNEW ANYTHING about a "Palestinian people" before 1967. And their claim from recent years that instead of ARAB Muslims (mostly) which they REALLY are and which they THEMSELVES identified themselves as ALWAYS, they are actually the lost decendants of peoples who lived in the holy land thousands of years ago and have LONG disappeared from world stage and no one heard of, their culture, religion, language or nationality for THOUSANDS OF YEARS are no less than the ARABS who lived in Palestine when Zionism startd and were less than a quarter of a million people in 1900 (accoeding to Ottoman data). GIVE ME A BREAK. This passage seriously damages Wikipedia's credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.178.85 (talk) 17:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I have some suggestions for you. First, do some research. After a while, you will realize that much of what you so strongly believe is just propaganda. Don't feel ashamed, but take pleasure in the fact that your eyes have been opened. And then question everything you have ever been taught, and question the ignorance of those who taught you. And then consider joining us at WP:IPCOLL.

To illustrate, let me give you some facts.

• The "Palestinian" national identity began in the early 20th century - for evidence see for example the 1911 newspaper Filastin (newspaper) or the 1921 Syrian–Palestinian Congress. The term Palestinian had been used for much of history, see for example the article Timeline of the name "Palestine" and do a search for the word Palestinian.
• The "Arab" national identity began in the second half of the 19th century, and is based solely on a shared language. The propagandistic suggestion that Palestinians originate from the Arabian peninsular is as confused and absurd as suggesting that all English speakers come from England or all Spanish speakers from Spain.
• All nationalisms, including the Palestinian or Arab, are imagined communities. The "Jewish" national identity is also from the late 19th century, and formed as a reaction to German, Russian and other new romantic national identities of that period. Palestinian nationalism may be a few decades younger than Jewish nationalism, but it is no different in substance, and was similarly formed as a reaction to "the other".

I am sure the propaganda you have been exposed to goes much deeper than these three bullets, but I will have to leave you to do your own research from now on. As I said at the beginning, i advise you to double check everything you have been taught on this subject. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Oncenawhile, while you eloquently explained the matters of Palestinian identity, this section seems to be irrelevant to Jerusalem. Perhaps any further discussion should be moved to Talk:Palestinians. Dimadick (talk) 06:40, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

When 'Once' writes such ignorant drivel as "The "Jewish" national identity is also from the late 19th century" (and note the scare quotes around the word Jewish), he reveals himself as quite unqualified to comment on the 100% correct observations of the OP. Jewish national identity is documented back 3000 years. The lamentable situation that the world is awash in anti-Jewish bigotry, doesn't change that fact one iota. To the OP: Wikipedia has nil credibility in this area, as in many others. It is in the hands of a politically motivated clique. That is why Jerusalem's FACTUAL status as the capital of Israel is hedged about in the article with mealy-mouthed caveats. If it were fashionable among the chattering ignorami to regard the sun as revolving around the earth, despite the scientific observations to the contrary, Wikipedia would say 'There is no widespread agreement with the statement that the earth revolves around the common CoM of the relevant bodies'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 (talk) 15:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

"The term Palestinian had been used for much of history" - beyond ignorant. It was not used for the group CURRENTLY claiming to be a 'Palestinian' nation (and which is SELF-admitted to be nothing other than an artefact in the programme to annihilate Israel as the national home of the Jews). To the OP: No, one cannot "argue whether the Jews had a right to re-establish their national home in Palestine", because it never stopped being that.

I think you're lost. This isn't some lefty pro-Israel blog, this is Wikipedia. Your random conspiracy theorist ramblings don't belong here and never will.

Problem in pushpin map

Hovering the mouse cursor on the pushpin map used on this page pops up a text which says "Jerusalem is located in Israel". How does one go about editing that text? Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 09:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2015

Capital of Israel is Tel-Aviv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.168.235.197 (talk) 18:16, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: See Tel_Aviv#cite_note-4. --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 19:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

re arrange final paragraphs

Interested in thoughts on changing the following:

In 2011, Jerusalem had a population of 801,000, of which Jews comprised 497,000 (62%), Muslims 281,000 (35%), Christians 14,000 (around 2%) and 9,000 (1%) were not classified by religion..

All branches of the Israeli government are located in Jerusalem, including the Knesset (Israel's parliament), the residences of the Prime Minister and President, and the Supreme Court. Jerusalem is home to the Hebrew University and to the Israel Museum with its Shrine of the Book.

Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, West Jerusalem was among the areas captured and later annexed by Israel while East Jerusalem, including the Old City, was captured and later annexed by Jordan. Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it. Israel's 1980 Basic Law the Jerusalem Law refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital. The international community rejected the annexation as illegal and treats East Jerusalem as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. The international community does not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and the city hosts no foreign embassies.

to:

Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, West Jerusalem was among the areas captured and later annexed by Israel while East Jerusalem, including the Old City, was captured and later annexed by Jordan. Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it. Israel's 1980 Basic Law the Jerusalem Law refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital and all branches of the Israeli government are located in Jerusalem, including the Knesset (Israel's parliament), the residences of the Prime Minister and President, and the Supreme Court. The international community rejected the annexation as illegal and treats East Jerusalem as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. The international community does not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and the city hosts no foreign embassies.

In 2011, Jerusalem had a population of 801,000, of which Jews comprised 497,000 (62%), Muslims 281,000 (35%), Christians 14,000 (around 2%) and 9,000 (1%) were not classified by religion.

I would remove the line on the museum, doesnt strike me as terribly important, and move the single sentence paragraph on the government being there to where i think it makes mroe sense by the material on Israel calling it its undivided capital. And put population at the end, just strikes me as a better flow. nableezy - 06:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello,

I think your proposal is a good one and should not generate controversy.

Pluto2012 (talk) 06:50, 18 July 2015 (UTC)