Talk:JonTron

Article reads like a list

While it is notable, the article reads a lot like a timeline list, which isn't a very good way to convey the information as almost every section reads like this. I don't know what WP tag covers this though or how to convert the current content to something more readable. 216.243.63.186 (talk) 23:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

• Article has been updated to read less like a list. 【Zagexma】 00:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Archive

A bunch of statements for the contested deletion of this article (the majority from Reddit, one imagines) have been archived to Talk:Jonathan Jafari/Archive 1. — foxj 01:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 2 May 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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Jon Jafari → JonTron – As per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PSEUDONYM. Most resources refer to him by that name; JonTron has ~420,000 hits on Google versus ~225,000 for Jon Jafari. Google Trends: JonTron v. Jon Jafari.

Am a bit hesitant to move this uncontroversially because 1) the article has just been created and 2) "JonTron" is fully protected due to repeated recreation in the past. Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 11:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support – Just looking at the titles of the sources should make this clear. It is definitely the subject's common name. I don't think it's a controversial move, no, thogh I find it curious that the article now (finally) exists. The article won't get deleted this time? ~Mable (chat) 11:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

  I would suggest taking this to AfD if you disagree, but I believe there are now more than enough reliable sources to warrant the article's existence. — foxj 12:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

• I would support this. — foxj 12:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I would support this as well, notable people like Arin Hanson are more commonly known by their internet pseudonyms. 【Zagexma】 15:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Disregarding the question of notability, the person is better known by their pseudonym. Someone else can AfD this again if they want to. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per COMMONNAME — Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. CookieMonster755 ^{📞 ✉ ✓} 18:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per COMMONNAME, if a person is known as X but is actually called Y by the common public the Y should be the wikipedia name. Snoop_Dogg, 50_Cent, Eminem, Egoraptor, iJustine, Markiplier and numerous others. This page should also redirect to JonTron. avalean (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per COMMONNAME - More people search for "JonTron" then do search for "Jon(athan) Jafari". It's far more easily recognizable, and should definitely be used instead. TheSqrtMinus1 23:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per COMMONNAME. We clearly have examples of this for other internet personalities (eg PewDiePie, Markiplier) Leave redirect on this page for obvious reasons. --MASEM (t) 18:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Uh, can we close this...? Thesqrtminus1^(talk) 16:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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Photo Search

Just spoke to Mr. Jafari, he approves of the page and we should be getting a Creative Commons approved photo any time now. 【Zagexma】 23:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@Zagexma: Heh, nice. Would be cool to have. Make sure he explicitly publishes it under a Creative Commons license (see WP:DONATEIMAGE for the reasoning). :) (also, hi reddit) — foxj 00:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 May 2016

I am the author of the original draft of this page as seen here, and would like to add more sources that I find as well as continue to add new information. 【Zagexma】 00:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

@Zagexma: This template's just for specific edits. I think the protection was a mistake so have contacted the admin for clarification. If you want to make a specific edit please detail it below in the same way you requested this edit. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience! — foxj 00:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Personal/Early Life

I want to gather some resources on Jon's early/personal life. I know he attended Palos Verdes Peninsula High School along with some other YouTubers. He is of Persian decent on his father's side. I also know that he had a Newgrounds account under the name BirdmanXZ6 where he made animations about onions[1]. Most of these facts I know simply because they were stated on Game Grumps, but I cannot find any legitimate sources that say these things. Perhaps we can get Jon to write a post similar to Egoraptor's?: [2] 【Zagexma】 21:21, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I would strongly recommend against referencing a self-published source; see WP:PRIMARY. — foxj 17:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Source for middle name?

I found this link, although I'm not sure if it's entirely credible. It cites Jafari's middle name as "Aryan," and his birthdate and location of birth are a match. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG8Z-6WQ Anthonymous (talk) 22:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

• Found him on Ancestry as well, probably the same birth record.[3] 【Zagexma】 23:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

NB to editors

Please try to avoid citing facts to Jon's YouTube channel or to random tweets. These are primary sources and not suitable for Wikipedia. Thanks! — foxj 17:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, we need a picture.

Thesqrtminus1^(talk) 13:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

• Thesqrtminus1 - Been emailing back and forth with Jon, got him to release a picture under commons, so this one's here to stay ;) 【Zagexma】 16:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

@Zagexma: I know this is a pain in the ass, but can you please have Jon email permissions-enwikimedia.org to confirm that the picture is his. As it is, it will look like "Flickr washing" (creating a Flickr account to upload copyrighted stuff under a "free license"). Thanks! — foxj 02:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

JonTron Show page?

Shouldn't there be a separate page for the actual JonTronShow episodes? This is a biography on Jon Jafari himself, but there should definitely be a seperate page for the JonTronShow.

101.161.9.29 (talk) 10:32, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Inclusion of Aryan (Jafari's middle name) in this article

From what I've seen in the edit history of this page, we as editors can't seem to come to a consensus as to whether we should include Aryan, Jafari's reported middle name, in this article or not. It has been removed and re-added and removed and re-added again by various editors, myself included. An RfC looks like the only way we can come to a consensus on this without resorting to an all-out edit war. So, I put it to you, my fellow editors: Should we include Jafari's full name, including his middle name, in this article? Blurp92 (talk) 06:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Survey

• Include as requester. All other Wikipedia articles about people include their full names, middle name included. (Examples: 1 2 3 4 5) That, and Jafari's middle name is documented on the California Birth Index, so it's safe to say that the name "Aryan" comes from a reliable source. Blurp92 (talk) 06:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

California Birth Index source

References

• Comment - I'm confused as to what we are being surveyed on exactly: inclusion of the full name as page title, as the bold full name in the lead, the name in the infobox, or the name used to refer to him in the article? Until clarified, all I can think to do here is answer on a case-by-case basis:

Page title - stage name, per WP:PSEUDONYM, with redirects for variations of his full name.

Lead - full name with middle name included, per MOS:FULLNAME, followed by stagename per MOS:LEGALNAME.

Infobox - stagename at infobox top per Template:Infobox person, with full name and initial included in the Birth name row.

Article content - just last name, no middle name, per normal conventions (see Boxxy), unless it can be determined that he does not use his legal last name in any professional way, per the last paragraphs in MOS:LASTNAME (see Snoop Dogg as example). Yvarta (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@ Yvarta: For clarification, I was referring to the full name in the lead and the birth name in the infobox, which currently (revision 766296804) say "Jonathan "Jon" Jafari" and "Jonathan Jafari", respectively. Blurp92 (talk) 22:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks for clarifying. Yvarta (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

• Include No reason to not include it, and it's a safe assumption to assume that California Birth record is indeed JonTron as it is the same place, same last name, adds up. 70.44.154.16 (talk) 20:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
• Include (summoned by bot). I haven't looked through the edit history - was there a rationale for removing it? Involved editors be pinged. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:07, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
• Include. I mean, it's accurate. Why not? Nohomersryan (talk) 18:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Add his Personal life

I demended of someone add personal life secton, Because the Jontron page is locked. 70.61.101.154 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Controversy

I don't really think this section is noteworthy for inclusion. The websites that are reporting on it are mostly just opinion pieces and I don't even think it's that newsworthy of a story. In my view, it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FOXHOUNDER1014 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Time has posted an article on the whole event on their website; it's in their entertainment section and online, admittedly, but that seems like a pretty good argument for this being newsworthy. (Source: [4] ). 32.217.161.69 (talk) 21:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)