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Was blocked unjustly, and via circular reasoning

Hello! You blocked me. This I circular reasoning for the first delete by Yaniv was inappropriate. He called my post “garbage”. I have a right to appeal to the editors board and speak, and people have been siding with me, but you and others keep blocking me! For nothing I’ve done on the administrators page! This is not okay! You aren’t using logic or sources, but ridiculous rules that you use whenever you feel it meets your agenda! STOP! Thank you for your time!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.4.16 (talk) 05:05, 4 September 2018‎ (UTC)

Reliable source?

http://www.historynet.com/second-afghan-war.htm

Do you know who Simon Rees is?? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply to your message regarding Old Fort and Qutub Minar.

1. In case of Old Fort, person had used the image of Tughlaqabad. Old Fort and Tughlaqabad are two different forts of Delhi. I am a research scholar from Delhi and my specialization is Forts and Stwpwells. Both Forts exist 30 kms apart from each other.

2. For Qutub Minar, ask any archaeologist. In Delhi, we were not using baked bricks. It was an error made by a British officer while documenting it. It is made of rubble masonry (stone) and there is a cladding of stone around it. Bricks were used in Delhi after 17 century and Qutub Minar belongs to 12-13th century (some historians have raised doubt on date also).

PS: I have served as a consultant to many organizations including UNESCO, ASI (Archaeological Survey of India - Body that manages most monuments in India), and many other private organizations. My information is not hearsay, but comes from archaeologists and historians. I have spent first 2 years of my research on Qutub Minar only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterrai (talk • contribs) 02:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

@Masterrai: the problem is that we are a source based encyclopedia and those sources must be attributable to reliable, published sources. We can't use our own personal knowledge or experience. There are obviously sources for bricks, can you help with a source that meets our criteria at WP:RS? I can see some Google snippets but I don't like using snippets. There must be some as you are correct on this issue, although for some reason as I've said some sources say bricks. Thanks for your help with this article. Doug Weller talk 16:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

I've removed that. It was added by these, the only edits of an isp, with no new refs. The Unesco ref certainly doesn't mention bricks. Nor does James Fergusson in his History of Indian and Eastern Architecture of 1876 (pp. 505-506 here). But of course it is usual in India to blame everything on the British, without feeling any need to explain why so very many Indian sources are still repeating the mistakes a century or two afterwards..... Johnbod (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

@Johnbod: thanks. Qutb Minar complex also says it's the oldest brick built minaret. The brick bit was added August 2005[1] and I suspect that's why we find sources such as this and this although the writer of that seems to have been there. This file description also needs changing. Doug Weller talk 19:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

This may be right. There are plenty of Indian books, including textbooks, but I can't see any pre-2005. The Minaret of Jam and other "victory towers" are indeed of brick. Johnbod (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Asking for help

hi, I noticed that you contribute in articles that I am interested in so I would like to ask you a question since you are an admin and an expert in editting in Wikipedia. I am having an issue with some titles of Wikipedia articles. The article Sabaeans is mainly about the kingdom of Saba' or the Sabaean kingdom not about Sabaeans in general as someone would assume from the title. the article Sheba seems also about the kingdom of Saba' but its more about the biblical stories. The article Sabaeans also contain biblical stories from the beginning so basically they are different articles with the same subject. I want to start contributing in these articles and other articles but this is one of the issues I am facing I don't know where to contribute?! because I don't see any differences between them. Here is my suggestion: if the article of Sheba is about the biblical kingdom so it should not start with "Sheba was a (South Arabian) speaking kingdom whose location is unknown!" and the article of Sabaeans should be renamed or moved to the "Sabaean kingdom" or the "kingdom of Saba'" and should contain less biblical narratives and more archeological and historical statements. If you agree with my suggestion I can start fixing these articles that are very confusing and I guess that's mainly because editors didn't have much knowledge about the subject of the kingdom of Saba'. SharabSalam (talk) 10:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

@SharabSalam: I've removed that, it was an old unexplained IP edit. It's now clearly about the biblical kingdom, I hope. If you want to rename Sabaeans I suggest you start a move request. I'm not sure those names align with other similar articles. Saba perhaps? Doug Weller talk 17:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Revert rules for Jerusalem

Thought I'd check with you before proceeding. You cautioned me about the 24-hour revert rule, so I undid my revert of the revert of my edit. However, I still think my edit was justified and proper. 24 hours after my undo (which I guess counts as a revert), I intend once again to restore my deletion of the section in question. The reverter has blocked comment on his Talk page and has not responded to my explanation on the Jerusalem Talk page, where he was pinged, so I he's not engaging, other than to say, "But it's true." Another user has commented that the section should be in the article, "but only if properly sourced". Should this become a revert war, unless you'd like to rule yourself, then I intend to take it to arbitration. That's OK, rule-wise, right?

Too much POV sneaks into Wikipedia, and articles get far too long by enthusiasts, and when there's deletion or editing down, it gets reverted by bruised egos, relying on the fact that editors would rather let it go than get tangled up in a revert war. So, Wikipedia's credibility takes a hit. — J M Rice (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

The Edit warring policy is blind as to who is right. If you edit war you may be blocked. Raise your concerns on the talk page of the article and hope other editors agree. If they don't, find another topic to work on. Yes, it can be frustrating, but there are plenty of articles in Wikipedia that need improving, and the climate at a particular article may change in the future. - Donald Albury 00:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

An unsourced section was tagged in April 2015. Nothing has been done as of December 2018. "Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." Accordingly, I removed the section. My edit was reverted, I restored the edit and "raised my concerns" on the article Talk page and received some support. My edit was reverted, and now I'm being warned about edit warring and of being blocked and kindly asked to go elsewhere? J M Rice (talk) 05:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia

		Happy Saturnalia
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello DW, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 19:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #343

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • New request for comments: Split identifier into KEGG Drug Identifier, KEGG Compound Identifier, etc?
  • Closed request for comments: Clarifying rights and responsibilities of Property Creators

• Events
  • Past: 26 November 2018: Adding your own stuff to Wikidata. Workshop at SWIB18, Bonn, Germany
  • Past: 04 December 2018: Chancen und Risiken einer komplementären Nutzung von GND und Wikidata. Präsentation auf der GNDCon in Frankfurt Main, Germany
  • Past: 11–12 December 2018 in Namburu, India: Wiki Advanced Training 2018 (with special focus on Wikidata) by Asaf Bartov
  • Upcoming: 35th Chaos Communication Congress, December 27-30, Leipzig. There will be Wikidata staff and volunteers and Wikidata-related sessions

• Press, articles, blog posts
  • 6 "inside-out" activities librarians are doing — numbers 4 and 5 involve Wikidata
  • From the "Annalen der Pharmacie" to the "European Journal of Organic Chemistry" about using Wikidata for capturing (some of) the history of chemistry
  • Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons, by Sandra Fauconnier, in EuropeanaTech 10 Insight Issue 10: Innovation Agenda
  • Many faces of Wikibase: Lingua Libre makes languages audible, by Jens Ohlig (also available in German)

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Call for contribution for the WikiWorkshop, forum bringing together researchers exploring all aspects of the Wikimedia projects, held in May 2019 in San Francisco, is now open until January 31st
  • Research questionnaire about Wikidata as a learning platform by Shani Evenstein as part of her PhD research.
  • Interactive map of the Sibthorp & Bauer Expedition, produced by the Bodleian Libraries, powered by Wikidata
  • Scholia's "missing" pages (example) now link to the new Author Disambiguator tool, and a Listeria list is available to help prioritize co-author disambiguation for authors with sitelinks.
  • Draft of behavior norms policy, feel free to leave comments
  • Wikimedia hackathon in Prague: apply for a scholarship until January 4th
  • Discuss if you can edit your own item, and vote here on the proposed policy.

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
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    • External identifiers: ARLLFB member ID, Flora of Wisconsin ID, RegiowikiAT identifier, Discord Store game SKU, Bavarian protected area ID, BDEL ID, Danske Taler speaker ID, Place Names Register ID (Estonia), Biographie nationale de Belgique ID, ARB person ID, Monument aux morts ID, IEC commemorative monument of Catalonia ID, MMLO, Meteorological Service of Canada climate site ID, Volksbund ID, PomBase systematic ID, Paris Musées work ID, LEGO design ID, LEGO element ID, iTunes music movie ID, BSRussia player ID, Beachsoccer.ru person ID, SinemaTürk person ID, SinemaTürk film ID, Wikia article ID, MinDat mineral ID, Harvard Index of Botanists ID, MinDat Locality ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: Garzanti Linguistica, Buried in this place, specific rotation, Data interval, Minimum wage, Danmarks svampeatlas ID, friend of, copyright representative, rights statement, co-director, Berliner Schutzgebiets-ID, preparation instructions
    • External identifiers: SVT Open archive, Hymnary.org page, Anbytarforum, Multiplayer ID, Amazon Music artist ID, Parliament of South Africa ID, Objectif Gard topic ID, Epic Games Store ID, Hymnary author ID, IPPDH ID, French Academy of Sciences member ID, OTRS ticket number 2, MNopedia ID, NCpedia ID, ICCD IDs, Weeds in Ontario ID, AllMusic performance ID, bbcmicro.co.uk identifier, YSA ID
  • Query examples:
    • (UK) Ambassador by country list - Listeria report which writes 240 by-country reports on UK Ambassadors - h/t NavinoEvans for the approach
    • Presidents of the United States ranked by the number of species named after them (source)
    • Communes of France whose name starts with "Saint" (source)
    • Italian toponyms with suffixes of Celtic origin (-ago, -ate, -asco) (source)
    • List of ABBA songs in A major (source)
  • Newest WikiProjects: Wikidata:WikiProject Policies
  • Newest database reports: Nicolas Cage filmography
  • expanded list of Christmas films

• Development
• Test that the issue with blocked users will not happen anymore (phab:T211120)
• Finish up on showing Language and Language codes when editing glosses (phab:T209931)
• Work towards having QualityContraints on Beta (phab:T209957)
• Work on tracking usage of Wikibase Lua Functions (phab:T191416)
• Some more work on string length limits (phab:T154660)
• Work on some Wikidata toolkit improvements (phab:T209399)
• Fix some errors happening in production (phab:T208924)
• More under-the-hood work for the termbox on mobile

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
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Books & Bytes, Issue 31

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Books & Bytes
Issue 31, October – Novemeber 2018

• OAWiki
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GAR review

Varanasi, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ikhtiar H (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Best wishes for this holiday season! Thank you for your Wiki contributions in 2018. May 2019 be prosperous and joyful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC) Noël ~ καλά Χριστούγεννα ~ З Калядамі ~ חנוכה שמח ~ Gott nytt år!

on the Radio

I noticed you were cleaning up the Coast to Coast AM article. The article on The Rush Limbaugh Show could also use some attention; I made a very bold cleanup in August that got reverted, and have re-removed a few of the changes from that diff since then. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:57, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Best wishes

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Shepherds (Cariani) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
	Hi Doug Weller, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year, Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,    –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 15:50, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas !!!

CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) is wishing you a Merry Christmas (quite possibly a White Christmas).

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

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Importance assessment of Megalithic Temples of Malta

I see that you reverted my edit which changed the assessment of the article Megalithic Temples of Malta from Mid- to Top-importance for the Architecture, World Heritage Sites and Archaeology WikiProjects. I asked a question on each project's talk page and will reassess the article according to any replies I get.

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture#Importance assessment of Megalithic Temples of Malta
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject World Heritage Sites#Importance assessment of Megalithic Temples of Malta
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology#Importance assessment of Megalithic Temples of Malta

I believe that this article should be Top-Importance for Architecture and World Heritage Sites, and Top or maybe High-Importance for Archaeology (depending on one's interpretation of the criteria).

Anyway, best wishes for Christmas and the New Year! :)

Xwejnusgozo (talk) 21:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

	Happy Holidays! May your winter holidays be filled with joy, laughter and good health. Wishing you all the best in 2019 and beyond.

--Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 04:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Request

Doug,

Can you please review this Wikipedia page? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ODEM

Thanks,

Jeff