User talk:Moriori/Archive 2

I changed the Beta Theta Pi page so it is consistent with the Founders paragraph, which is dear to all Beta's hearts, you must not be one...Also, why does it matter if it is repeated? I think regardless of how the founders paragraph reads, "the university" is bland and generic, it was at Miami University. There is pleny of repitition in articles like this so you don't have to refer back to the beginning. Please leave how it is

Archive history

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Spell checking

Actually no, it was unintentional. I ran the whole page thru my spell checker. Feel free to put back the U.K. spelling. The policy is vague here, but seems to suggest being consistant within a page. The Wikipedia is not US centric tho (or at least doesn't intend to be). Sam Spade 02:11, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Naming convention

Hi, I really like your new articles, but I have been moving some of them in keeping with Wikipedia:Naming conventions. When we developed these a while back, the idea was that the way we name all similar articles (such as people, places, etc.) would be standardized. If you have any questions, I will be happy to try to answer. Danny 22:47, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hey Danny. Ah gee. I know, I know, I know. Sometimes habits of a long career overcome the thought processes. Tks for fixing them. Cheers Moriori 23:13, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

Editing experiments

I just deleted the editing experiment which you blanked. May I suggest that instead of blanking you better exchange such pages with {{msg:delete}} - you might even retain the original nonsense text then. Then such marked pages cannot get lost as they are always traceable with the "WhatLinksHere" link of that MediaWiki page. andy 09:47, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mark Todd

Hi. I don't understand the purpose for the article you created at Mark Todd, UK politician with no text other than the stub notice. I also noted that no other pages linked there. I couldn't see any use for that, so I deleted it. If this was inappropriate, let me know. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:27, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Re: eeeek!

Hi! Unfortunately, even through Im an administrator too, I face your same situation. I dont know how to create disambiguation pages. What I will do is paste your massege to Village pump; hopefully someone can give you directions there. Im looking forward to reading your article on Mark Todd the horse sportsman. Thank you, and God bless you! Sincerely yours, Antonio Paris *cks my *alls Martin

You don't need to add a note that says you're going to make the page. Just upload the text when you're done. Dysprosia 03:21, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Maori

Kia ora, e hoa! Remarkable range of interests you have, as far as I can judge from a quick skim of your last 500 contributions. Anyway, the reason I've been doing less for the English WP in the last 5 weeks is here: the fledgling Maori Wikipedia. I would be delighted if you had a look (or another look, if you have already - I forget whether you've been recorded as contributing anything). You possibly know more Maori than the current 16 "members" put together. You could sign up and give us a "Karearea" page, linked from a list of birds linked from the "Lists" page. Or at least leave a greeting on the Korero page. Please? Kind regards - Robin Patterson 03:39, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the half-anonymous note on my talk page. I think one can often write a language better than one can speak it. Maybe you can (1) have a browse among the recent changes; (2) email several Maori-speaking friends with a recommendation that they have a look too? Very best wishes - Robin Patterson 07:44, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up

I'll keep a watch on him. RickK 22:30, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

Current Sports Events

Hi. I notice that in your edit to Current Sports Events of 10:11 yesterday (8 Aug) the link to [[MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina]] got corrupted to "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina". Was thi s deliberate, or do you use some unusual software that made this change automatically? There is a redirect from MSK Zilina anyway... Cheers! Arwel 11:03, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

(Posted to Arwel's page) -- Hi Arwell, you asked on my talk page whether it was deliberate that the link to MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina got corrupted to "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina during my edit to Current Sports Events of 10:11 yesterday 8 Aug. No it was not deliberate, and I would never do that. I'm using IE6. Could that be the culprit? Cheers. Moriori 20:28, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Moriori. No, I don't think it's IE6 that's causing the problem, because I use it too! There must be some strange setting somewhere that's causing this. Oddly enough, in your reply on my talk page it's happened again and it appears as "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina got corrupted to "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina " -- very strange, eh? -- Arwel 20:45, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

(Posted to Arwel's page) --: I am as flummoxed as you are Arwel. I'm not a compugeek, so I jave no idea what the prob may be. Cheers. Moriori 22:50, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please do not vandalize other users' pages with edits like this one.

Thanks,

Acegikmo1 19:37, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

== News item: Zinedine Zid ane ==

I removed this item because the article was not sufficiently updated for the event: the article contained no more information about the news event than did the item in the "In the news" template. The Wikipedia is not a newspaper; items go in the "In the news" section as a pointer to an event worthy of an encyclopedia. If a person does not gain any new information about the current event than from what is on the front page, then it should not be there. Note, for instance, that each of the other items presently "In the news" each have more than three paragraph's worth of information that was added within the last two days. Each have a full paragraph or more of information immediately related to the current event and more than four paragraphs directly related to the event. - Centrx 23:23, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I did not know that there was a current sports events page. - Centrx 02:32, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Please don't be a fag and delete people's pages that they worked so hard on. like this queer.

Style

Tena koe Moriori. I hope this is the right place to leave a message for you. Thanks for your style tip—actually, I have read through the Wikipedia guide but a few of the early ones I wrote did slip through before I read it. I've tried to retrieve the old ones and correct them but there's a chance I missed a few. Actually, quite a few of the others I've spotted don't comply and I've been going through to get them up to the Chicago standard. Stombs 13:10, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Marfa light

Talk:Marfa light

I am sad to hear that this expert, Edson C. Hendricks, who did very good contributions in his short time on wikipedia, has left again. Some people are harder to handle than others. Some people have their expectations on wikipedia shattered on their first try, like this man here. We must not bite the newbies, and give good contributors lots of respect. I am certainly not blaming you, but I'm asking you to be more careful. [[User:Sverdrup|User:Sverdrup]] 19:10, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Moriori: Thank you for informing me about this discussion but please note that I am user EdH, not user edh, and I have no interest in this sad controversy. EdH 13:58, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Incipit

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I will be starting a discussion on Talk:Incipit about those "verbose" words you've deleted twice. Thanks. Doops 02:56, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Template

Given your most recent edit to charles Darwin, perhaps you might want to look at Template talk:Infobox Biography Mintguy (T) 09:12, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi Moriori. Would you please "vote" on the Charles Darwin talk page? Netoholic is giving me a hard time because I made the mistake of calling it a vote when I was really tracking opinions. (If I misrepresented you as opposed to the infobox, I apologize BTW.) Cheers, Vincent 02:58, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Vincent 05:07, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Statue of David

Moriori, have a look at User talk:Arpingstone for your David statue reply - Adrian Pingstone 10:59, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My reply to your reply is at User talk:Arpingstone as usual - Adrian Pingstone 21:44, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Got your reply, don't hesitate to ask me in the future whether I can see a pic you might upload - Adrian Pingstone 21:55, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Singapore

Hi Moriori:

I think there was something wrong with that quiz thing. There IS no such thing as "Singapore City". The city is the same as the country, the suburbs go right to the borders, the parks and so forth are embedded right into the city. There is no "city council" — there are town councils, but those are more like neighbourhood organizations than an actual level of government. There are also election districts, but those are for — you guessed it — elections.

In other words, there ARE no administrative divisions in Singapore, at all. None. (Incidently Singaporeans seem to get really confused about the states and provinces and counties and so forth that other countries have...) It's just one unified continuous city-state, that's it. The capital of Singapore is itself; it's probably better to say that the term "capital" is meaningless when applied to Singapore. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 05:08, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for reverting you on golf

...more at talk:golf Kosebamse 20:54, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re: National Anthems Vandalism

Thanks for adding the IP address to the vandalism page. Hopefully the note I added should stop casual changes--enceladus 01:52, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Scott Dixon photo

Thanks for uploading Image:Scott dixon.jpg. I've been tagging images without image copyright tags, and I came across this one. I'm a little confused as to its copyright status. What does IRL stand for? Does only Wikipedia have permission, or does anyone have permission to use the image? Thanks, – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 22:54, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

IRL is Indy Racing League who hold copyright to the image. IRL gave us permission to use it (for non commercial use) but anyone picking it up and using it commercially would breach copyright. Don't know which of the tags we have these days would be appropriate. Will be interesting to see your choice. Cheers Moriori 23:07, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

Cycling History Deletion

Thanks for your message, I had a quick look at the speedy deletions page but didn't see ads as one of the criteris so I thought I had to go through the whole VFD procedure. I could well be wrong though. I think your right about the Keeley Bros as well, I've never heard of them and the article does seem to be more of a CV than anything really notable. Suggestions? Lisiate 23:58, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Maori chief translation

Thanks for removing the erroneous translation from the Maori chief picture I uploaded. "Greedy" was in the caption of the picture in the book, but you never know how much was "interpreted" by the English writers :) [[User:MikeX|—MikeX (Talk)]] 00:05, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

Bromeliads

Hi Moriori! I'm not the expert you think (smiles) but I've had a go and made a sort-of improvement. The sort-of solution was just to move the code for both pics down into the genera list so that the pics are totally below the taxobox. The problem then is a gap that appears in the genera list. I don’t know how to get rid of it. Secondly, the pics are not in alignment along their tops and I've no idea how to correct that either. At any rate, it looks better so maybe someone can improve it further. Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 10:57, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Air NZ

Talk:Air New Zealand has been revived. A challenge for you (but you have more important things to do). Robin Patterson 00:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Clitoris

I've removed you comment (but not your vote) from the picture vote. Saying that people who disagree with your POV needs psychiatric help violates our no personal attack rules :-( Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 22:00, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry you were offended by my actions. It was not my intention to upset you. The thing is, there have been a number of insults aimed at various people in the talk page of that article. Although you were not aimimg your remark at a specific person, it's still potentially insulting to everyone who voted yes on the poll.

If you look at the history, you'll see I reverted your edit because it broke another users signature. I had to copy and paste your vote back in. I could not in all good faith copy and paste in a comment that I felt would offend a number of different people. Had I not had to revert becas

ue of the sig, i probably wouldn't have deleted your comment, but instead asked you to remove it. I should have explained all this above. Reading my comments again this morining they do come across as acusatory.For that I apologise. Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 06:46, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bob Charles (golfer)

Hello,
I'd like to inform you that removing cleanup tags is considered bad conduct. Feel free to head over to the talk page of the user who added it, and discuss it (ask for clarification what isn't neutral). But don't just remove it. Also, calling a cleanup up tag on said article silly can be considered uncivil by some. Please stay friendly and civil at all times. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|^(talk)]] 09:30, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Taranaki /Mt Egmont

Hi there, please do a little more research before making changes. I did the last major rewrite of the section on the name of Mt Taranaki, and searched out the official status before doing so (the website of New Zealand Geographic Board Nga Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa) - although someone else put the inverted commas around 'official', I think. Also, IIRC, the reversion to Taranaki was in the early '90's, which hardly qualifies as 'years ago'. dramatic 09:51, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Image Tags

Thanks for uploading Image:.303_ammunition.jpg. I notice it currentl y doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, BrokenSegue 02:38, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Macedonians vs. Macedonian Slavs

Dear Moriori, at the moment there is a poll taking place on the Macedonian Slavs talk page to which you could make a significant contribution. Thank you in advance for your participation. Ivica83 13:52, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Well I did teach there for 24 years so I was fairly confident I was right. Usually I don't need Export Gold to make errors, I can make them on good days even. Cheers. ping 4 July 2005 05:35 (UTC)

Gregorian Calendar dates

Thanks for the feedback, however the reason I made the dates all the same format was that there were different formats on the same page appearing on my computer. Am I missing something important? Cheers JackofOz 5 July 2005 06:18 (UTC)

That's because they were all not wikied. If you write 1 December or December 1, both unwikied, they will appear in that form on your comp. However, if they are wikied, they will apear on YOUR comp in the form that YOU set in YOUR prefs.

Oh, now I see. Thanks. JackofOz

Anyone can edit

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, just not all of it! :-) It is sad indeed that we have to protect the main page from vandalism using the clumsy "admin-edit-only" tool, but there a lot of idiots out there who like to vandalize, the main page is a popular target and we only have so many ways to fight them. I hope you understand and find it acceptable. Pcb21| Pete 8 July 2005 09:59 (UTC)

Of course I understand the why of it. Unfortunately tho, it means the main page will sometimes carry poorly written stuff that can only be edited by people who write poorly. OK, I know I need to explain that particular comment by saying that I don't suggest everyone who can edit the main page writes poorly. Obviously, most don't, but sometimes there is verbosity, repetition and even sophomoric writing that good editors sometimes don't fix because they may be engrossed in their own bailiwicks. So sloppy stuff is posted, and isn't improved. Then along come people like me who could improve it, but voila, we can't elect to do what we are specifically here for -- to contribute to and improve Wikipedia. Moriori July 9, 2005 08:01 (UTC)

Sounds like you need to become an admin. The bigger that body of people is, the less chance poor work will end up on the Main Page. How long have you been around? Pcb21| Pete 9 July 2005 09:58 (UTC)

What a coincidence! I've just been listing which NZ Wikipedians are admins and was amazed that your name was missing. How about it - would you accept if I nominated you? Grutness...wha? 10:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Done! Now you've to go over to Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Moriori to formally accept nomination and answer a few questions. Good luck! Grutness...wha? 02:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Glad you beat me to it Grutness, I've not been doing much on WP this week. I've added support. Pcb21| Pete 07:36, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Re southern Māori

I've made a slight change to your latest amendment to Māori - Southern Māori was actively discouraged in the south, too - it wasn't just government documents. If you think that whjat I've put is not as good, though, feel free to roll it back. Grutness...wha? 02:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Cresco

Thanks for your work on that :-).

Adminship

I'm pleased to report that you're now an admin. You may wish to take a look at the Administrators' reading list and Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide, if you have not done so already, for policy regarding the various features now available to you as well as practical how-to details about their use. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. We're actually required to advise you of these two pages, despite the fact that candidates are already advised to read them as part of the Interview Questions. Tradition, I guess. Of course, you could be bold and change it, if you wish... The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congratulations! Not that I had any doubts you'd be voted with flying colours... A ceremonial mop is now awaiting you in the janitor's cupboard :) Grutness...wha? 02:21, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats from me too.-gadfium 05:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

survey numbering

If you add your numbered vote underneath the last number vote rather than the comment, it'll count it in sequence. At least, I believe that's what is going on! Either way, thanks for your participation. :D -eric ✈ 02:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Magicianrandy

I protected his talk page for abuse, what did he do for the block anyway? Redwolf24 00:50, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Finlay McWalter gave him two warnings for vandalism, see [1]. Only minutes after Finlay reverted Magicianrandy's vandalism, he again vandalised the Out of This World (card trick) page with abuse, see [2]. Magicianrandy also hurled abuse on his own talk page, so I blocked him for 24hrs. Perhaps it should have been longer. Moriori 01:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Platinum

Concerning the artical Platinum I've cited a web site (link in references) giving credit to the author. In addition, I have sent email to the site author asking for permission to use the text (No copyright notices are on his pages) but I have not recieved any reply.

By the way, I would love to visit your country at least once in my life.--Rgordey 02:54, July 31, 2005 (UTC) moved from userpage ∞Who?¿? 03:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Hoaxes

What is sparking your hoax detector about Mike Monty? He seems to have an IMDB entry, and at a glance, it seems to back up some of the claims made in the article. But it's not my area, so I could well be wrong. :) Ambi 13:19, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Cricket tour naming

Hi. While I in part agree with the move of [[New Zealanders in Zimbabwe in 2005]], there's about 15-20 pages of other cricket tours that need to be moved as well, and the standard cricket convention is to name them as {adjective of touring country} in {host country} in {year}. I doubt it's going to cause much trouble to have a shorter page name - nobody would type in all of that anyway - and the only other sport that uses a "tour" system (AFAIK), is rugby, so I doubt there would be a conflict. If you still feel strongly

about it, feel free to leave a comment on the WikiProject Cricket talk page. Thanks! Sam Vimes 21:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: AR Gov Joe Purcell

Hi, you contacted me regarding where I got my information on Gov. Purcell of Arkansas. Some of the AR websites still have some individuals as still living when they have, in fact, since passed on. Both fmr Lt Govs. Maurice "Footsie" Britt & fmr Lt Gov (and Acting Gov) Joe Purcell are deceased. The confirmation of Purcell's death was from an article in the Little Rock Arkansas Democrat-Gazette from March 6, 1987 (I was not able to obtain the entire article to confirm exact date and cause of death and location).

Additonal info (eyebar)

I did not properly read your question the first time I answered it - please see Talk:Suspension bridge#What is an "eyebar"

Silver Bridge

I incorporated my monograph from the suspension bridge talk into the article. Please review and correct as needed. Leonard G. 16:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

No Limit Texas Holdem

Feel free to write a non-copyvio article on the temporary subpage. It looks like no limit isn't covered in Texas hold'em, and my googling of the recent rampage of poker copyvios has taught me there's plenty of sources out there that could be synthesized into a good article. --Laura Scudder | Talk 22:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I am the owner of the site of kerala pictures

I am the owner of the site of kerala pictures, so no copyright violation.. anyway its just a link.

How do you write comments when you deleted the link?

It would be helpful if you had signed your contribution. Are you MaxX? If you are the owner or copyright holder of the link I deleted, then please say so, AND categorically indicate that all of the fabulous photos on that site are released into the public domain by you and may be used by anyone who wants to use them, in any way. Cheers Moriori 07:10, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yes I am the owner of the website link which you deleted. It is just a link to the website, the pictures are not put on wikipedia itself... How come you dont remove the About Kerala page which is also copyrighted? Most websites are copyrighted but links are fine as we are not putting content from the website directly on wikipedia. Its just a link to it! If the content on the linked to website had to be in public domain, there would be hardly any external links on wikipedia. Wikipedia says that if someone takes content from wikipedia pages and uses it, it should be made public domain (but that is not the case here, website content is not from wikipedia) Can you put the link back? --MaxX 11:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello MaxX. Wikipedia says the following (in part) about "What should not be linked to" -- Wikipedia disapproves strongly of links that are added for advertising purposes. Adding links to one's own page is strongly discouraged......... Persistently linking to one's own site is considered Vandalism and can result in sanctions. -- You make a point about the About Kerala link, and I think that should go too. However, I think it is better for me to ask for advice on the Village Pump, which I am about to do. You say your intention was to only link to Wikipedia, not upload the images to Wikipedia but that could open a can of wrigglies if someone used one of your pics commercially. I'm no lawyer, but if they said that you provided access to your site from a free encyclopedia, then they thought they had a right to use it. Dunno. Anyway, see what transpires at the Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)#Advice Please. Cheers. Moriori 23:26, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

A simple URL is presumed to be not copyrightable, and thus there is no copyright issue here. It may be inappropriate for other reasons, it is legal. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

George Adamski

You may be amused by the following discussion on the Reference desk.-gadfium 03:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

7000

The numeral 7000 was looking extremely awkward there. The actual coastline is 7,6?? km. I went by the following suggestion:. However, it is considered awkward for a numeral to be the first word of a sentence: either recast the sentence or spell the number out. , since the number stuck out, even though it did not begin with one. Spelling out a number has more to do in the context it is placed. I hope I've made some some sense :) User:Nichalp/sg 09:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Maori music links

must be some more maori goodies especially in and from NZ??

Even some Canadians are going publicly wild about NZ.

http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/public startimg from week 5.

http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/public/learning_resources/learning_materials/week5

BBC, and their old Zulus:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/features/africa/rams/s1_6.ram

RE: Can you keep a[n] eye on ......

Okay, I will try, but I have had to cut back on editing significantly recently. I must confess that I didn't actually read it when I first struck upon it. If I had, I might even have VfD'd it. The final two paragraphs were both subjective and pointless, so I have removed them accordingly. Thanks for letting me know, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 05:39, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

CB

The article is about the American "Citizen's Band" service and mentions CB-like services in other countries - I think it's perfectly accurate to refer to the United States in the intro and only then mention equivalents in other countries. --Wtshymanski 23:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Redundant cats

Category:New Zealand all-rounders is in Category:New Zealand cricketers which in turn is in Category:New Zealand sportspeople, so those two were redundant in Lance Cairns. Rl 10:24, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

He should not be in Category:New Zealand sportspeople. If your line of reasoning was correct, you'd have to add him to Category:New Zealand people and many other categories. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Categorization, specifically the part that reads "An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory, for example Microsoft Office is in Category:Microsoft software, so should not also be in Category:Software."

I never said that there should

only be one category per article. Adding Category:New Zealand golfers is fine. Rl 07:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I must admit that you have TOTALLY lost me where you say one of our most prominent sportspeople should not be in Category:New Zealand sportspeople. Never mind, I no longer have to put NZ sportspeople cat on articles about NZ sportspeople to ensure all NZ sportspeople are in one cat. Have fun doing all of the reverts. Moriori 07:31, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Tandem Landing gear

Actually i was about to add examples to the undercarriage article after i found some examples. The Myasishchev M-4, Boeing B-47, and B-52 all have tandem undercarriage. Perhaps i'll add that it was rather a feature common to Cold-War bombers. Thanks for the feedback!

Tandem Landing gear

Actually i was about to add examples to the undercarriage article after i found some examples. The Myasishchev M-4, Boeing B-47, and B-52 all have tandem undercarriage. Perhaps i'll add that it was rather a feature common to Cold-War bombers. Thanks for the feedback!

Misuse of one-click rollback

In my opinion, this edit is an abuse of one-click rollback. Not only was it not vandalism, but you actually reverted out a spelling correction! Please do not use one-click rollback for anything other than actual vandalism. Thank you for your cooperation. Kelly Martin 03:53, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Hey Kelly, I am not sure what you mean. What is this edit you mention? It seems to have disappeared. And certainly the Lim_weiyang article has gone too. Cheers Moriori 09:13, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, the article in question has been deleted. Nonetheless, it was a misuse of one-click rollback. Kelly Martin 10:50, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

No it wasn't. My recollection is that I visited the article because I was actually watching that contributor. I noted he/she had edited the article by making the alteration to the spelling AND by removing the speedy delete tag which another editor had placed there a little earlier. IMHO it was a nonsense stub article so I rolled it back to the speedy delete version. Moriori 20:31, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Home run leaders by letters of the alphabet

The article "Home run leaders by letters of the alphabet" shouldn't be changed into "alphabetical order" because the article isn't listing the home run leaders in alphabetical order. It is the top five home run leaders for each letter... I wish there was an easier and shorter way of making the title, but it is what it is. If it is changed to alphabetical order, it will be something that it is not. And I'm not trying to wind you up, I don't know where your coming from with that, but thats not what I'm trying to do. Croat Canuck 03:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Liz Shaw

Actually, you're probably as qualified a user as anyone. This gal seems "notable," at least to some degree, but the arrival of socks has me worried. I have a feeling this won't last long.  :) Talk to you soon! - Lucky 6.9 02:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Slips!

As someone is sure to have noticed, I deleted an article a few minutes ago, called Longest article, without explaining why in the summary. Not intentional, I hit the save by mistake. Anyway, the reason was that the artice was deliberate nonsense.Moriori 21:02, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Luby's

You deleted the article, which was indeed heavily POV and apparently created as a bit of a joke, but I was wondering why it couldn't have just been trimmed down to the form I recreated it as. While I am a bit of a deletionist. I don't feel this was appropriate under the category of "nonsense". I'd like to hear your thoughts. Mr Bound 02:37, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hello there Mr Bound. You yourself describe the article as (1) heavily POV, (2) joke, (3) needing trimming down. Ragarding (3), had it been trimmed down it would have almost disappeared! I thought that by Wikipedia standards it was indeed nonsense and beyond help. It's not a good idea to dump stuff like the article I deleted, and expect others to deal with it (if they can). Hey, there is nothing to stop you creating an article about Luby's, to encyclopedic standard. Go for it. Cheers Moriori 02:50, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Bruyns

Yes, one of his problems was that a google search for his name produced pages from this site that were critical of him, specifically your talk archives. [3] I suggested to him that if he apologised to you for losing his rag, and that you in turn would be generous enough to let bygones be bygones and let him edit out his name from you talk archives. Everything would remain in the history of the page, which isn't spidered or cached by Google. As he seems to be behaving himself at the moment, I hope that you can extend to him that courtesy. I do apologise to you however as with hindsight I sould have contacted you rather than letting him do it. Dunc|☺ 22:44, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Tks for the explanation Dunc. Very unusual, but these are unusual circumstances. I will most certanly let bygones be bygones. Furthermore, I will delete all of my edits which mention Mr Bruyns, if he deletes all of his edits which mention me. Would you please convey this to him. Cheers. Moriori 23:37, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I'll Delete References to You, But There's a Problem

I've mentioned you a good many times, Moriori, and I would gladly delete every one of them, but there's a serious problem in the way. If I delete messages from other people's user talk pages because they mention your name, they'll all think I'm some kind of vandal, especially since I also quarrelled with Robin Patterson and some of my references to you are on that user's talk page. If you will forewarn Patterson (that user and I aren't on "speaking" terms), then I will forewarn the others, but it may be a bit of slow process. Please tell me when you've notified Patterson and I'll tell you when I've finished deleting all other references to you. Oh, and I'll assume good faith and just say that the whole "Turkey Stearnes" matter was a big misunderstanding. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 00:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. I will definitely delete any ref to you from my talk page, and will advise User:Robin Patterson why you will be deleting your refs to me on his talk page. To record that we amicably agree on this outcome, I will not delete this particular section of the page, if that is ok with you. Cheers.Moriori 01:11, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Noted with thanks, guys. By the way, Felix, I don't remember reading anything about "cleansing", and I'm very sorry if anyone has given you the impression that I'm not on speaking terms with you. Maybe someone poked a sentence in above my signature and hoped you wouldn't check the page history. Kia ora! Robin Patterson 01:51:15, 2005-09-06 (UTC)

==About DESpiegel and Carriage Returns== One other problem remains. DESpiegel sent me a completely unsolicited and horribly obscene message on my user talk (for no apparent reason) and so I don't really feel like telling him that I'm about to delete parts of his user talk. Do you mind warning him? By the way, it seems that I'm adding something called a "carriage return" in some of my messages. I don't know what that is, but Raul654 is pretty upset about it. What is a carriage return? Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 02:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure, I'll leave a message on his talk page soon as I sign off here. The term carriage return comes from typewriter days I think, when people reaching the end of a line used a lever to take the carriage carrying the typing paper, accross, back to the right hand side, which put the left margin of the next line in place for the next word. Here on our comps we simply push return to create the same line break. I noticed quite a few of your edits created line breaks higher up the pages, I don't how this unusual break could be caused. Cheers.

==Finished== So far as I know, I have deleted every reference that I ever made to you in 2005, although if you want me to go through your archives and delete my part of our messages from 2004, I'll do that also. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 02:55, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

No, I think I've got everything. If you check out your edit to this page, the edit I am replying to, you will see in the first par of the Current Revision column on the right, exactly how your phantom line break is appearing. Maybe if you asked one of the regular editors of Wiki computing pages, they might help. Cheers. Moriori 03:00, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

==Sorry, I Don't See It== I don't see anything there. I'm probably looking right at the problem and not noticing it, but I still don't see it. But perhaps you can just tell me what I'm doing wrong. In this edit I started out just after your UTC, so of course I pressed "enter". Then I typed "Sorry, I Don't See It" with two equals signs on each side, clicked the spacebar to move one space ahead horizontally, then just typed. I end my messages with another horizontal space followed by four tildes. If there's something incorrect about that I certainly would like to know, since I'd like to be able to send messages without forcing the receivers to fix their user talk pages. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 03:41, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, try the following.

• Click on User talk:Moriori
• Click on Page History at the top
• Click on the dot/circle beside my edit timed at 16:00
• Click on the dot/circle beside your edit timed at 16:41
• Click on Compare Selected Versions
• Your actual edit is at the bottom of the page, but the phantom edit people are talking aout is at the top. Note the difference between the left and right hand columns. On the right, three line spaces have mysteriously appeared below the subheading and the text starting "I've mentioned....." There are three and a half lines of text and then a break, then three empty lines, before it carries on again. Before you edit, it all ran together, so your computer seems to be doing something that I certainly can't explain. You need a compugeek, so try one of the regulars on the computing articles. Cheers Moriori 04:14, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

==DESiegel's Conduct== Because of what he did to me (the senseless, unsolicited obscene message on my user talk) I am considering arbitration. But first I would like to give him a chance to explain his conduct by a deadline. To set a deadline I need to know his time zone. Do you know what DESiegel's time zone is, because he doesn't say what country he's in on his user page? As for the editing problem, its past 10:00 PM in my time zone, so I'll find a computer expert tommorow. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 05:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC) ==FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HELP ME== I am Felix Bruyns, but a bullying "sysop" named Zoe has blocked me from the site because of the editing problem, which is the fault of either my computer or my Internet service. Look, I know we had a misunderstanding, but since we have patched things up you have been the most reasonable and helpful user of Wikipedia. These are the facts. Please believe me Moriori. Zoe told me to stop editing other people's pages, and Dmcdevit questioned why I was doing so as well. I sent a message to Dmcdevit and calmly explained to him that I wasn't vandalizing anyone and that I wasn't even doing anything incorrectly. I explained that either my computer or my web service was causing the problems and apologized for the inconvenience. I added that he should go to your user talk for an explanation. I asked him to pass that along to Zoe. Then the next message I got was one of those "stop hands" and an accusation of deliberate vandalism (violating good faith policy and completely false). That also borders on libel since Internet vandalism is a crime. I sent a message to Zoe that he claimed contained "threats". I made no physical or even legal threats. All I did was say that if he didn't stop defaming me I would go to arbitration. Then Dmcdevit called me an "angry, paranoid bully". I may have a temper, but I was certainly not the bully in this case. That was, of course, a personal attack. Well, you know my temper. I responded by callling him a bully. Because these messages contained the same extra spaces that this one probably does and because Zoe's ego was offended by my forceful promises to go to arbitration, he blocked me from editing Wikipedia. This is pure injustice. Zoe also claimed that if my "vandalism" were accidental I could simply check the preview to solve the problems, showing his profound ignorance about computer-related problems. So, the official reasons that "Felix Frederick Bruyns" is banned from Wikipedia are that I am a deliberate vandal (false) and that I made threats (also false). This abuse of power is outrageous and you're about the only person that I can turn to. I have written four articles since my return to Wikipedia, which are honestly of high quality and I planned on writing many more. But Zoe's ego and his love of his own power are preventing me from even contacting any arbitrators or the administrative board under my own name. Look, I do have a temper, but obviously Zoe has far more serious personality problems than I do and shouldn't even be on Wikipedia, much less a sysop. My quarrel with DmcDevit was probably a misunderstanding, but he firmly sided with Zoe, making my situation all the more hopeless unless you intervene as a respected Wikipedia user. Thank you, and may God bless you if you help me. Anonymous for Now 07:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC) NOW ZOE HAS EVEN BLOCKED ME FROM HAVING A USER PAGE, PLEASE HELP ME!!!

Hello again Mr Bruyns. There is a problem with the ongoing line breaks in your editing, as I have tried to describe above, and which many other editors have mentioned. Whatever the reason it happens it is regular, and therefore it is not totally unreasonable that some editors might suspect you are doing this quite deliberately, and react accordingly. You are quite entitled to challenge their suspicion and actions. But your hostility is causing problems, specifically for you. I swallowed my pride and made concessions to effect an end to the dispute between us, and we progressed to amicable settlement. You clearly made concessions too and I thought it was obviously good for us, and ergo, good for Wikipedia. But now, your most recent edits have alienated many editors, and I truly can't see how I can be of help to you. You have to do it yourself. Moriori 09:21, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Msg deletion

You will not be deleting any msgs from my user talk page, no matter what the subject, nor will any other user. If you do, or if anyone else does, I will revert, and report it as vandalism. DES ^(talk) 14:14, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Note I didn't say I would delete something on your specific page. I put something similar on other editors pages as well, hoping they would see that this would help bury a dispute. But no matter, it is your page, and I obviously see why you don't want some particular info deleted. Cheers. Moriori 20:06, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Biography

I'm having some issues on John Vanbrugh. People keep removing the infobox! I think it's quite useful as it does take some hunting to find information about birth places, birth dates and death dates/places in many of the articles. Could you comment on the talk page? - Ta bu shi da yu 02:53, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Conquest of the Desert

As this is the English Wiki, I am wondering what the rationale is for your redirect of Conquest of the Desert to the Spanish titled Conquista del Desierto. Moriori 22:10, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Good question, for which I have only bad answers. I guess I got influenced by badly named articles, such as Primera División Argentina. I'll rename it. Mariano(t/c) 06:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Quadrans Muralis

hey. i made a minor edit from "meteor shower Quadrantids" to "Quadrantid meteor shower".

can you give me a reason why you reverted my edit?

-justaddpeter

Hello Peter. Yes, I reverted your edit because you changed the link from the live link Quadrantids to Quadrantid which was a dead link , (but which I see is now a redirect). Cheers Moriori 04:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Rewa's village pic

I'm not sure if I'm doing this Talk thing correctly. I'll try to brighten up the picture a bit. I've been adding quite a few, so if there is any way for you to get them flagged as new so you can look at them, that would be great. If you get this please respond so I'll know that I am doing the Talk thing correctly.

Other photos to check out

Articles to which I have added photos: White Island, Muriwai Beach, Hokianga Harbour (2), Cape Reinga, Mangonui, Waitangi, Maori, Yams (Kumara) and Cormandel Penninsula. Please be a little patient with me; this is the first time I have added anything to Wikipedia. Thanks.

I'll be adding a few more photos today.

Unschool

You directed User:Unschool to create his userpage in the main namespace. I userfied it, as I assume that was your intent. Jkelly 03:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Cool, but I was trying to encourage the newbie to do it himself. No probs. Cheers. Moriori 06:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

By "userfied", I assume that JKelly means making the headline "User:Unschool" appear at the top. I must admit, it was very strange, in the middle of trying create the headline, to all of a sudden have the headline appear without my having figured out how to do it. Naively, I just assumed that there was something in the programming that just made this automatically "happen".

Thanks to both Moriori and JKelly for your good intentions.Unschool 15:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Re origin of word Moriori

Yes, you're right, of course... and I've been busily hunting down where I read that, but I can't seem to find it. Feel free to revert unless someone can come up with the reference (ISTR it may have been Michael King, but if it was, I've no idea where he wrote it...). There's certainly no doubt that Maori use reduplication as a modifier for intensity or ownership, but further than that I've been unable to find the actual source I was looking for. Grutness...wha? 09:38, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

List of cricketers' nicknames

Thanks for your concern. My intention was to be to move it into article space in a few days, after firstly building a critical mass. I'll then blank it out from my user space. This is how I prefer to create most articles. -- Ian ≡ talk 03:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Fine, but maybe if it was already in the cricketing section, others would help you build it faster. However, no probs. Chgeers. Moriori 03:55, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I changed my mind. It's now moved. -- Ian ≡ talk 03:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

New Zealand general election, 2005

Noticed that you edited out a link to an article I put in that mentioned the Maori Party intends to support Labour. The article includes this graph:

The Maori Party with four seats will also be approached by Labour for support after party members stated they would prefer to deal with Labour rather than National. Blueboy96 01:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes I did, The article said the Maori Party INTENDS to support Labour. The linked website does not say that at all, as you have demonstrated with your quote here. They probably will, but have made no such statement. Yet. Moriori 01:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes

I was still in the process of creating the stub page on Ndonga. I am again creating the page with more information. Please wait for few minutes. Can you undelete the deleted materials. Is that possible? Ok. bye now. --MissingLinks 08:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

ML, new articles containing only one word are usually deleted, so it is a good idea to at least create a stub or indicate that text is on the way. However, no probs, I see your new effort is alive and well and that's fine. I am not sure what you mean by undeleting deleted materials. There were no links that I could see and the article contained only one word. Did I miss something. Cheers. Moriori 08:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought that once you delete something, I will not be able to write on that topic. Somewhere, I read about undeleting. So I thought. Now, it is fine. Thanks again for encouragements. I will be more careful in future. It was ok, please donot mind. --MissingLinks 08:26, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Aircraft specs policy

Several weeks ago, you voted in the WikiProject Aircraft Specifications Survey. One of the results of the survey was that the specifications for the various aircraft articles will now be displayed using a template. Ericg and I have just finished developing that template; a lengthier bulletin can be found on the WT:Air talkpage. Naturally, we will need to begin a drive to update the aircraft articles. However, several topics in the survey did reach establish consensus, and they need to be resolved before we implement the template. It is crticial that we make some conclusion, so that updating of the specs can resume as soon as possible. You can take part in the discussions here. Thanks, Ingoolemo ^talk 06:02, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Crick and panspermia

Please see discussion of your edit of Francis Crick at Talk:Francis Crick#Religious Beliefs. --JWSchmidt 18:01, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

130.194.13.105 block

hello, i am a legitimate contributor but the ip address is blocked for someone else. can't i continue to contribute using my username? -- Zondor 06:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

That IP is used as an Australian Education proxy. So far, our official policy is "sorry but if one kid needs a block, unfourtuantly the rest need to be dragged down with that kid" as they have been just far too much trouble in the past. Sasquatcht|c 08:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Arg, just tested it and it appears to be a fully open proxy as well! This could be trouble. Sasquatcht|c 08:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC) nevermind that, just transparent, just leave the block as is. Sasquatcht|c 08:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

anyhow, it works using my username very soon afterwords under the same ip address -- Zondor 08:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

IP address

Ya, I unblocked it. See WP:AN. If more vandalism, suggest reblocking. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Flags

Firstly, I am also ex-RNZAF (R6/82). Secondly, these flags have been displayed on various flag pages and sites. They were evidentally used on occasion to represent sporting teams competing under the names of North Island, South Island, etc..... User:Expatkiwi P.S., The flag of the Chatham Islands is also unofficial, yet it is displayed on a lot more websites and publications.

Your name...

Who in the world would want to be more eeyore-y? --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 20:19, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I note your user page says you are under a lot of external stress right now. That explains it. Moriori 22:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

VC

By no means can I provide refs--now that you've "called me" on it, I guess it should be said that my edit was a poor choice in an attempt to broaden the original adjective used: European. I was surmising that officers might be not merely European, but also Australasian, even if they were ethnically/genetically of European descent. Can you rephrase it more clearly for me in the article? Sorry and thanks for your help! --Dpr 06:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

slight lapse

I have reverted this edit of yours for obvious reasons. -- RHaworth 07:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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db-bio tag

Hey there -- no, not necessarily. I just figured you had accidentally transcluded the tag into the talk page. I can see what you were trying to do -- the problem is that when any speedy tag gets applied to a page, it pops up on Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, where each tagged article gets evaluated by an administrator for whether or not it meets the criteria for deletion. So I saw this person's talk page listed on candidates for speedy, realized it itself doesn't need to be deleted, then nowikied the tag so that it doesn't show up on the candidates list. I would suggest that if you want to reproduce the text that gets produced by the tag, just copy and paste it in instead of using the tag. It's not wrong, really, it just creates extra work for admins patrolling pages that've been tagged as speedies. Best · Katefan0^(scribble) 14:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh. Of course. Cheers Katefan0. Moriori 19:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFA/SV

Please accept my deepest thanks for your words of support at my RFA. I hope I have been able to sufficiently answer any outstanding questions regarding my conduct both past and future. Sincerely, St|eve

Tea

Actually, thank you thank you thank you for helping to provide hard evidence that Smaines' preferred construction was deeply flawed. Your changes have been reverted again. You should revert once more and one of us should report it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR or you can block him yourself, as you don't yet seem to be as involved in the argument as I am. Nohat 08:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

You have stumbled into a very petty edit war, started by Nohat for unfathomable reasons. You should avoid being drawn into such an absurd conflict.

As to the sentence,

This article is concerned exclusively with preparations and uses of the tea plant, Camellia sinensis, the Minnan word for which is the etymological origin of the English word tea.

...you should read it again. It is correct. -SM 08:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Could you please sign your contributions. It is confusing to see where you left off and I begin. At this moment, where I live it is 9.59 on Friday night (yes, Friday). That means sleepy byes. I will be back tomorrow. In the meantime, please ponder how you can explain breaching 3RR even IF you had a valid point. Moriori 09:00, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

The fact that Moriori even has to read it again is evidence enough that the construction is poor and misleading. You should just accept that it's a bad sentence that needs to be changed. Wikipedia is not an outlet for your complex syntactic acrobatics. If the writing on Wikipedia misleads readers, then it is the writing that needs changing, not the readers. Nohat 08:51, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Nohat, this sentence is hardly complex. If you find it to be "complex syntactic acrobatics", you have no business editing an encyclopedia, much less lecturing anyone on grammar and usage. Moriori misread it (the hour being what it was), and edited where he ought not to have. (-SM 09:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC))

SM, you are lucky I got out of the right side of the bed this morning otherwise I might have truly blasted you for saying I edited where I "ought not to have". It's lucky I did edit where I did because I demonstrated that it was a dreadful sentence. You continually defended it, but it was subsequently torn apart by another user, which is a win for Wikipedia standards. Moriori 23:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

As to my defense against a 3RR rule action, Moriori, Nohat's behaviour in this has bordered on trollish vandalism, it is he who shall have to defend his actions. Things to note,

• he has had no previous activity on this article, but suddenly swoops down to fixate on this
• he has embarrassed himself in a previous argument
• he is transparently trying to create an administrative conflict, and draw you into it
• he has consistently been pedantic and wrong on this issue (to be either is tolerable, to be both is not)
• the correctness of the sentence (your misreading notwithstanding) is self-evident, and not well-served by the proposed replacements

I have made hundreds of edits on Wikipedia. Oddly, this is the only one I have had to defend for style. I am not terribly proprietary about my contributions to Wikipedia, but Nohat's bloody-mindedness on this matter is a dumbing-down, which, for the sake of decent writing, should be resisted. There is much admiration in the Wiki community for the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica. It is a gem in part because of the quality of the writing. I shudder at the thought of setting Nohat (or one who subscribes to his standards) loose on it to chop elegant prose into something he believes an eigth-grader would understand, oblivious to the resonnances and nuances he would be consigning to oblivion. I have no illusions that authorial voices should be strong in so collaborative a work as Wikipedia. The standards, however, should be considerably higher than those Nohat has evidenced. -SM 09:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

The sentence you vigourously defended no longer blights Wikipedia so most of your comment above is moot. The only person who has drawn me in to "an administrative conflict" is you. Your deliberate violation of 3RR got my hackles up. I left a note on your talk page at 21:43 warning that if you reverted the article again, you would be violating 3RR. At 21:46 you reverted, and left the the words bring it as the entire edit summary. Very well, I accept your invitation to bring it so I am listing it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. You are advised to read what the objects of the noticeboard are. They are solely to judge whether someone has violated the 3RR, and not to judge the merits or otherwise of the content reverted. Moriori 23:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Again, a more careful reading would have saved you some embarrassment, this action has already been brought be nohat. As to your friendly warning, did it occur to you that nohat has been annoying me for days, then also left me a friendly warning. The bring it was directed at him, as the charge was ridiculous and would be thrown out (as it was). Did it occur to you, awash in spurned friendliness as you no doubt were, that with a three-minute difference, I had not even seen your warning? -SM 23:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

That's curious. You revert MY edit, but reply to someone else in the summary. It doesn't interest me that you had been letting Nohat get under your skin for days. Even if you didn't see my warning, you must have seen Nohat's. But still you deliberately defied 3RR to bring back that dreadful sentence which you preferred. Luckily for Wikipedia, your preference was edited out of existence by someone else who was not involved. Moriori 01:03, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

NZ place names

My dual name query to Gruntness is really for Codshifh and Chalky Islands. In the LINZ database Chalky is only listed as Chalky (although there is Maori name for the Island), and Codfish is listed as Codfish Island (Whenuahou). Whereas Little Barrier and Stewart Islands are listed as their /dual names. So is Codfish a dual name or should I smiply mentiona that it also has a Maori name?--nixie 22:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

MAIN PAGE

DUDE! YOU FUCKED UP THE MAIN PAGE. EMERGENCY. ALERT. DO SOMETHING. [[User::|Hipocrite]] - «Talk» 22:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Second this. I assume this was a mistake? — flamingspinach | (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• • You assume correctly. I was trying to show a newbie a page move, and she did it WITH the main page! OK, it's a disaster. H ow do I get out of this quickly. Moriori 22:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Everything is all fixed now. In the future, please be a bit more careful about letting other people use your account. →Raul654 22:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the fix Raul. I was showing a lady (part of a group) how wiki works, pointing out how everything on the left col works, was preparing to do a page move to a new title, and hit Move this page. The phone rang and I moved less than 10 ft away to answer it. Helpful soul that she is, she hit Move page - and you know the rest. Except for one thing, when she saw Hipocrite's message she totally freaked and decided instantly she no longer wants to become a wikipedian. No-one has ever before used my wiki account (or my computer for that matter) but you are correct, I should have been more careful. I apologise for not being so, and creating such mayhem. What a page to fuck up!!!!. Moriori 23:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh noes. Please tell her to come back! Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:16, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

ROGUE ADMIN! ROGUE ADMIN! BLOCK HIM! ~~ N (t/c) 22:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

It's about now I think I should archive this page. ):- Moriori 23:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Might I suggest if you are showing other users, you might want to use a sockpuppet. →Raul654 23:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

OGM BANZ0R ROUGENESS. Seriously, though, it could have been worse. She could have moved it ON WHEELS!  :) Ral315 (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Tagging Crews

Hi i am a new user here, and i created a page about something I know a little about (i thought that thats what Wikipedia was all about). The name of the page was FMD (Fuck Mayor Daley) crew, something very real and i thought by adding my two cents, then more famous tagging crews would eventually add their names to the list. This I feel is very important in a city that squelches graffitti as much as it does. Ok, all that said, if i want to write an article about tagging crews or tagging crews in Chicago, what would be an appropriate place / name / etc.? I want to contribute, and i know i am new, so i have to learn the formats of how things are done here.

thank you! :) i can be reached at t3xt@hotmail.com

FMD Crew Stencil

hey thanks alot for the update! i am a photographer more than a writer, so i will try to make up for more content next time! I also am sensitive to offensive material devoid of content, so for the time being im trying to add whatever anecdotes i can to improve articles, like the pictures in treptower park in berlin. And oh if anyone want to write an article about tagging crews, ill try to go and get some pictures , copyright free of course!!! :)

) thanks!!!!

re: Aidan Work's article on History of Chatham Islands numismatics

ThanX for being nice to User:Aidan Work, he seems to be still learning the ropes.

Your contribution to the discussion about History of Chatham Islands numismatics would be useful. Esp. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of Chatham Islands numismatics.

I had a go at wikifying it to make it more digestable/readable.

Sumburgh 10:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Uncovered a serious problem

Moriori might be underappreciated. As a step in rectifying that problem; I bestow upon you the Barnstar of diligence for your attention to detail and writing skillz; both qualities Wikipedia needs more of. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 03:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Princess of Wales

Your edit was 100% wrong. A Princess of Wales is never given her title. That presumes a giver and there is no giver. It comes automatically on marriage by virtue of the marriage not by being given. Please don't add in terminology that it misleading. User talk:Jtdirl 19:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted Jtdirl's edit as he was wrong, and you were right. Titles of this type are bestowed by the Fount of Honour, who is the Soverign, the Queen. --Bob 20:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Tks for that. At the time I noted he was heavily involved in a debate re the name of a country, so I deliberately backed off to not risk being sucked into an edit war. Cheers Moriori 22:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Why are you deleting articles?

Mr. Maori,

what do you think you are? You are an administrator? However, you shouldn't hit the delete button too fast. I have a slow internet connection and Wikipedia servers are soo damn slow that it is a pain to write an article. So now you have deleted an article of mine faster than I could finish it! This is fine if you want to remove the Wikipedia from the internet, but as long as there are links to sites which don't exist yet, why shouldn't I provide some content? I am lazy and don't want to google just to find some external website as long as I can find it inside wikipedia.

Greetings from Germany, N. --Gerrit 22:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Kia ora Mr Gerritt

I am sorry you have a slow internet connection, but so do lots of others, and the server seems to be slow as well. However, people make allowances for that, and they at least have some text prepared (or should have) when they create a new article. You created an empty page, so no wonder it got the chop. However, you have returned with an article of the same name, but this time with content. Fine. Ka kite ano from New Zealand Moriori 01:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Nice job

Very nice clean up on the Patience Worth article. RJFJR 20:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Sami Michael

Would you like to suggest somewhere else to put the information about the contents of his books and about his own characterization of his youthful self? You cut more sentences than you left behind. Sami Michael is worth a few more words. --Hoziron 17:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Flag concepts for NZ

Please read the discussion page on the South Island.

Country Visits Thing

Hey mate, do you mind if I nick that country flag thing from your userpage? Cheers from a fellow Kiwi! Hauser 17:11 PM, 25 November 2005 (NZEST)

Hey Hauser. Haven't seen you around Wiki before, so pleased to meet you. Sure. Go for it. I pinched it from someone else, and I see it's been doing a Topsy ever since. Cheers. Moriori 06:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

You're not a vexillologist, judging from your comments. Expatkiwi

As vexillology is the scholarly study of flags according to Wikipedia, then I do not claim to be a vexillologist. The definition would also clearly exclude any contributor who tried to attribute ensigns to geographic entities such as South Island and Stewart Island/Rakiura. Moriori 22:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Vexillology is the study of ALL aspects of flags. That ranges from historical to current to conceptual. And by the way, The NZ Blue Ensign, NZ Red Ensign, NZ White Ensign, RNZAF Ensign, and NZ Civil Air Ensign are all classified as Flags of New Zealand. Therefore, the use of the White Ensign (used also in the flag of the Ministry of Transport) and extended to the Officers of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron would not be out of place injavascript:insertTags('Ċ',,) any other New Zealand flag (such as the South Island flag concept) - providing that it is properly gazetted. In any case, what is your feelings about the Chatham Islands flag? It is certainly unofficial, but evidently it is in use on the islands. Incidentally, FOTW has a large amount of conceptual flags on its database. so does NAVA. If a conceptual flag helps a site, then I have no problem putting it on the site. My duty as a vexillologist is clear on that. Expatkiwi GSTS R6/82

Your first duty is to Wikipedia, not to personal preference. The ensigns may be classified as flags FROM New Zealand but they are not THE flag of NZ. Neither is any single one of them a flag of a geographic entity of New Zealand. Why do you have a problem with recognising this? New Zealand ensigns which have been defaced to create conceptual flags (the South Island thingy) fit very comfortably in our article Unofficial Flags, which says "unofficial flags are either (a) flags in regular use that have no official status or (b) flag concepts that have appeared in various publications". Flags that also qualify for that article include those of McDonalds, General Motors, Exxon, etc. All of them are flags that "have no official status" or have "appeared in various publications". The South Island thingy fits the same bill!

Then you must do what you think is right. I did what I thought was right - (not only as a vexillologist, but as an expatriate New Zealander). And for your information, the Chatham Islands flag had been removed from the List of Flags 'C' section after I posted it there (someone had termed it 'rubbish'). I had to place it under a different heading. Expatkiwi

In case you missed it, I try to do what is right for Wikipedia, not for any preference I have. You say you did what you "thought was right", but your thought seems to NOT meet Wikipedia standards. Has it ever occurred to you why someone would describe as rubbish what you call the "Chatham Islands flag"? They are not rubbishing the design, or the motivation of it. They are rubbishing the fact that anyone would actually promote this as being the representative flag of the Chathams, even an unofficial one. Moriori 09:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like I'm just grinding gears with you. I may have had some doubts about my postings on Wikipedia in the past, but certainly no regrets! When someone points out to me certain things they have problems with regarding updates, I try to hash it out. But its obvious you just see me as an individual you can push around. I don't like people who question both my intelligence and my integrity. AS LONG AS I THINK SOMETHING IS WORTH POSTING ON WIKIPEDIA, I WILL DO IT! And if you have a problem with that, Get over it! Expatkiwi

If you post something on Wikipedia that other editors consider inaccurate or irrelevant, it will be edited/deleted/moved/whatever, so you need to get over that little rant. The Chatham Islands flag positioning for instance, which someone else described as rubbish. You have styled yourself as a vexillologist, then told me I was not one, inferring I should steer clear of flaggy subjects. To the contrary. It's just as well there are widely experienced editors like me who patrol Wikipedia, otherwise the articles on the North, South and Stewart islands of NZ would now have silly "unofficial" flags on their pages. So much for scholarly vexillology. Moriori 19:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Am I supposed to be amused by that? I think not. I think its best that we don't even think about talking to each other from here on out. I am proud of my contributions to WIKIPEDIA and self-righteous individuals like you only serve to increase my determination to post data that I think belongs on site. If there are problems, then leave it for the WIKIPEDIA administrators to solve. End of communication. Expatkiwi

Leave problems to Wiki administrators? I don't see the merit in that (even tho I AM an admin). All contributors are welcome to fix poor edits, not just admins. Moriori 02

52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Undercarriage

Moriori, I have just removed your External Reference from the undercarriage article because I didn't see any useful references to Undercarriage on it. Perhaps I've made a mistake. Can you tell me why you thought that reference worthwhile? Best Wishes, Adrian - Adrian Pingstone 20:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Adrian. It's not a big deal, but that ref was to text/photo of the retractable landing gear designed by Alphonse Pénaud and Paul Gauchot which is mentioned in the second paragraph of the article. Cheers. Moriori 23:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Humble apologies, my mistake. The Reference is back in the article. - Adrian Pingstone 14:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

A possible solution

There is a new site that should defuse this spat. While I'm still sore at what I regard as a slap in the face from you, I would be remiss in not looking at all sides of an argument. So, what I have done is to create a page entitled Flag concepts for the South Island which displays not only D. Thomas' proposal, but also J. Dignan's. That way, its off the South Island page, but its on a page linked to it so that interested persons can look at it in the correct context. Is this page something you can live with? Expatkiwi

Labtec

On 28 November, I see you deleted my article on Labtec, citing that it read like an advert. From memory (since I can no longer access the deleted page) it was merely a three line stub explaining that they are a computer manufacturer of particular things. Anyhow, I presume you speedied it on the back of the AfD for Labtech - a misspelling, a copyvio, and an obvious ad. I see no reason for the same to hold true for Labtec. It was only a stub, of little significance, and I'm not really fussed either way, but I would rather have seen you put it on AfD than speedy it without notice. _└ ^UkPaolo/_TALK^┐ 08:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi UKPaolo. Labtec was two short sentences which looked like an advert deliberately being used as a vehicle to link to Labtec's website. People who have never heard of Labtec would have learned zilch about Labtec from the sub-stub. Please note that three different people deleted this article -- User:SWAdair on March 2, User:MacGyverMagic on June 20, and User:Moriori on November 28. None of those deletes would have been "on the back of an AfD for LabtecH". The fact is, the article didn't cut it. It is possible a worthwhile article about Labtec could be prepared, but if it comes back as a sub-stub which looks like an ad deliberately linking to a website, it is very likely someone will give it the chop again. Cheers. Moriori 20:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the response. Certainly the article I created (which was the latest one, I had no knowledge of previously deleted versions) was not what I would have considered an ad exlusively for the purpose of linking to their website. I have never used Labtec products and am not particularly wishing to advertise their company. I created it to provide an explanation of who they are. I'm surprised you felt it could be deleted without the need for AfD but fair enough, I'm not sufficiently fussed to recreate it. _└ ^UkPaolo/_TALK^┐ 21:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

In fact, the more I think about it, under what grounds did you just delete it? I can't see it meets with the speedy delete criteria, since even if you considered there was insufficient content, surely the context showed potential for future expansion. The company is fairly well known, and if you take issue to it being noteworthy of meriting an article, it should have gone to AfD. I take issue with your claim that "you would have learned zilch about Labtec from the sub-stub": from what I recall of my wording you would have learnt that it is a "manufacturer of compupter peripherals, best known for its range of webcams, mice, and keyboards". The only one link was under External Links, so I can't see why you should claim it was being used as a vehicle to link to Labtec's website._└ ^UkPaolo/_TALK^┐ 21:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The impression -- even tho not deliberate -- was that it was a vehicle being used to link to the website, and indeed, anyone coming to Wiki to read about Labtec would naturally enough have immediately gone to their website because the stub told them little. It had been deleted twice before, by two different Wikipedians. Even if a company is well known, any article about it should justify its inclusion in Wiki. This was ad-like, lacked substance, linked only to the company's website, and lacked justification so I was right in being bold and deleting IMMHO. Your opinion (above) is that it was "only a stub, of little significance", and you are correct. Moriori 23:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

nhbradio

What's wrong with the nhbradio page? I agree that the other two pages should be merged but how is it an advertisement?

It would help if you signed your contributions, and also wikilinked to any article you are discussing. As it happens, I haven't edited Nhbradio, but having now read it I would agree it is an unenclopedic ad. Cheers Moriori 03:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops

I got carried away.... thanks for deleting it :D --Akhristov 02:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops 2 - Aidan Work

Sorry, Moriori, didn't read the time of your ban of the vandalizer of Aidan Work's page correctly. But I would suggest that he be banned FOR EVER. Is this possible?Camillus^{talk|contribs} 02:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

It is possible, but not by me. Everything is relative. This user's obscene vandalism has far less potential to harm Wikipedia than Work's defamatory edits in my opinion. If anyone has earned a permanent ban it is Aidan Work. Moriori 23:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Moriori, what a idiotic statement about me you have typed there about me. I am putting your name forward for the Wikipedia Administrators' noticeboard, because it is offensive remarks from the likes of you that angers me, so there! - (Aidan Work 03:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

You might want to have a look at the New Zealand slang page. Mr Work has been there. Also there seems to have been a vote to merge it that didn't happen. - 202.27.184.1 04:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Aidan Work

I believe you've had some difficulties with Aidan Work. An RfC has been filed on him, your input would be appreciated. --Kiand 15:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Your request

You requested a article about fictional UFOs. See UFOs in Fiction. Martial Law 22:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, all of the media is controlled. Should something be found, should there be alien contact, all media will be shut down if it cannot be tightly controlled, and Martial Law will be declared to prevent rebellion due to religious reasons(Some people believe that ET is The Devil) and/or to seek vengeance for the intentional ridicule and abuse initiated by the by the planetary governments. In the US, this was in compliance to the Robertson Panel protocol, which was initiated by the CIA to "reduce", even eliminate interest in UFOs,aliens. While I was "Out West", I had some contact w/ both military and police personnel, and this(The Robertson Panel) has been referred to, but NOT in public.Martial Law 08:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I travel the US as a artist, a prospector, amature paranormal investigator.Martial Law 08:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Quezon City

Actually, it's supposed to display the pronunciation when you hover over it. Nupedia used a similar style before, so it's not without precedent in the "WikiMedia" family (see, for example the Nupedia article on New Zealand). Anyway, I know it's not going to make sense for most readers so maybe a conventional style (like Björk? or maybe Sigur Rós) would be more appropriate. --seav 09:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Seav. Maybe it doesn't work with all browsers. Didn't work with mine -- Safari -- and not on Nupedia either. Cheers. Moriori 19:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

All Blacks

If we did have one it would be using the plural (Category:New Zealand All Blacks rather than the singular. It might be worthwhile, but then again, how many NZ rugby players with articles would not have been in the ABs? (I suppose some may be written at some point, but I don't know of any yet). For now, I'd just add him to Category:New Zealand rugby union footballers even though it's a bit questionable as to whether he really counts.

On a completely unrelated subject, I've just had a look at your user page and realised you probably know my cousin, who has worked as an RNZAF photographer for many years... is the name Antony Van de Water familiar at all? Grutness...wha? 00:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, don't know your cuzzie. Cheers. Moriori 21:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

oops

I was browsing the diffs and I used the revision with the spelling errors to reinclude the tag by mistake out of haste. -- Natalinasmpf 21:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I actually intend to fix it (it's listed on the todo list of my user page), just that I listed it for cleanup so any passerby's could fix it until I get to it. -- Natalinasmpf 01:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

It's using a non-encyclopedic tone. It's colloquial, informal, uses phrases like "The myth of the supposedly 'Impregnable Fortress' of Singapore was core to the Singapore Strategy; the defensive planning upon which the security of Malaya and the island of Singapore so desperately relied on." I think the informality of the article is self-evident. If anything, it's not up to bare professional standard, which all articles should at least have the decency have. The tone is clearly dramatic, overinterpretive, uses too many cliches and not that of an encyclopedia. -- Natalinasmpf 03:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia's compliance with laws of multiple jurisdictions

Thanks for inviting me over there in response to my comment on the Aidan Work RFC talk page. I'm always happy to weigh in with an opinion on things but I'm not sure that is the right place for my concerns, since it deals with the narrower issue of copyright problems, and more specifically problems presented by German copyright law. The point I was making on the Aidan Work page was a broader one, in response to your statement that We must comply with any and all legal restrictions that effect Wiki and/or its contributors IMO, no matter where they were promulgated. I believe that contention is wrong for at least two reasons:

• it is untenable, since the same conduct may be subject to laws in different jurisdictions that are not just different, but incompatible (that is, one cannot comply with both);
• it is misguided, since it will inevitably lead to the watering down of all articles to the restrictions imposed by the most restrictive law. The example I used involved blasphemy laws, since it's (I think) fairly easy to see that it's ridiculous to claim we should edit out portions of articles that might deny (or discuss the denial of) the divinity of Jesus or the inspired and unchanging nature of the Koran; but there are certainly plenty of other laws floating around the world that we could run afoul of (such as European Holocaust-denial laws that someone else mentioned).

All this is a long-winded way of asking if there's some other place this is being discussed. I have no doubt it's the type of subject that comes in for plenty of discussion but I don't hang around on the types of pages here where that would be talked about. -EDM 00:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

NZ Police

Hello, was there a problem with my edits to the page? (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Zealand_Police&oldid=34058194). I believe they are fairly factual, perhaps you could modify them furthur to what you think rather ran a total revert. [User:219.89.177.137|219.89.177.137]] 02:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. You were leaving a message for me on my talk page while I was actually tidying up the NZ police article you were referring to. Hope it's OK now. Cheers. Moriori 03:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, yes it looking much better. Thought that might be the case. Is it just one firearm or multiple in certain police vehicles? I was under the impression that multiple could be issued if a situation warranted so. Cheers, 219.89.177.137 03:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, Ive got confirmation that traffic seargents vehicles carry one weapon, while front line seargents vehicles carry several weapons for allocation. So it depends on the particular individual, detective seargents are different again. 219.89.177.137 04:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Fine. Perhaps you might like to change "Many police cars carry a firearm" to "Many police cars carry firearms". When I did the first rv it was partly because of your addition of "(AOS)". Incidentally, if you wish to comment on someone's talk page, you should do so at the bottom of the page (or bottom or the subject being discussed), and never at the top of the page. Cheers Moriori 06:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks, incidentally on my typo edit I was about to move it to the bottom but thought that might add confusion

219.89.177.137 07:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

INCIS

thanks for the grammar edits etc to INCIS, I have the username Zven, 219.89.177.137 is just a dynamic IP.

Zven 22:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

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Sinalet just fixed a typo which you introduced into the Apple Computer article

I just noted that Sinalet fixed a typo you put in the Apple Computer article back in December. In American English, Inc. is always offset with a comma, so the correct corporate name is Apple Computer, Inc. --Coolcaesar 06:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Aotearoa

Yeah, I kind of do think it looks better the way you had it. Good call. 68.143.166.174 13:30, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Appreciate....

Appreciate the assisstance with that UFO article. By the way, the UFO incident is still ongoing. Just saw a videotape of a UFO that was in the Phoenix area dated to Jan. 11, 2006, time 06:21:55. Again, I really do appreciate the assisstance. Martial Law 05:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Since the UFO activity is still going on, how do I state this in the "Phoenix Lights" article ? One guy has even videotaped a unknown real recently. Martial Law 22:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Nothing in your last two sentences is relevant to the Phoenix Lights which were reported nearly nine years ago and were identified soon after. Any ref to "UFO activity" there now might be mentioned elsewhere but would be totally out of place in the Phoenix Lights article. Cheers Moriori 00:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

FYI

The picture you have at Image:Gemito's Fisherboy.jpg says its copyright tag is out of date. Just FYI. Also, the piece is now at the Bargello in Florence. I added that to the caption at Gemito's article. --DanielCD 01:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Tks for the alert. I have changed it to pd-self. Cheers Moriori 01:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Did you take that picture? LMK, because I saw it in 2004 in Florence. When did you see it at the Louvre? Also: I tried to touch it up a bit. If you have the original, I could perhaps do a much better job. Cheers! --DanielCD 01:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I took that pic, pre-digital camera by many moons, and yes, it was definitely at the Lourve. Used an Olympus OM 10, and had the film developed in Bangkok months later. The whole film had a sepia-ish caste, as you can see, which was very disappointing. I don't exactly know where the original is, so can't re-scan and upload again or send to you. I did the best I could with Photoshop, but it is still only passable. Go for it, if you can improve it. Cheers. Moriori 01:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Kiwifruit (thanks for the explanation)

Thanks for the explanation on the Kiwifruit article image. Since you say the image has served its purpose, I say good riddance to it too :) Rbarreira 21:52, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:Milton, NZ

Thanks for the kind words on the article (I couldn't let my old home town have just a stub :). You're right about the churches in NZ - it's probably a security thing, but it is a bit sad. They should be welcoming places. Grutness...wha? 04:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

4 Bigfoot links

I've found four bigfoot links. 3 appear to be scholarly, one other is of a unknown nature. Martial Law 21:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hayley Cropper

I have reverted your edit of yesterday (19th Jan) on the following grounds. 1) Your rewording does not improve the topic and misses out some key facts. 2) There are lots of spelling mistakes. Sorry, but that's Wiki...

Yes, it is Wiki, which as an encyclopedia should contain good writing. That's the reason I have tidied the article a little more to get rid of the rambling verbosity. I'm not sure what key facts you mean. I excised irrelevant bumpf to make it more encyclopedic. Could you please list the "lots of spelling mistakes" you mention. Also Hardylane, when you leave a message on someone else's talk page it is polite to sign it. Moriori 19:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I disagree. What you see as "rambling verbosity", I see as individual interpretation. Are you simply stamping your imprint because you think you are right? You have removed detail which I believe to be important. Also, your edit shows that you do not know much about the show. "Roys Rolls Royce"? Although I regret having to say so, I was working at GTV at the time of this story and I feel I have right to tell the tale in my own fashion, which is perfectly adequate for the job. I will not revert this time, but I will correct and re-edit the page yet again. Hardylane 01:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

You disagree with "an encyclopedia should contain good writing"? I don't, which is why I rectify verbosity when I see it. I'm sure you know more about "Roys Rolls Royce" than I do, but this is an encyclopedia and " individual interpretation" is sure to be edited if it can be improved. That's the way of Wiki. Incidentally, I have been trying to decipher the following passage - "Roy grew suspicious and worried when Tracy disappeared on a three-week holiday with the money. Realising how easy it would be for Tracy to disappear with the cash and the baby, .....". As Tracy had disappeared with the money, wasn't it a bit late for Roy to realise how easy it would be to disappear with the money?Moriori 01:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

This all seems to be a disagreement over style. This is surely something that is individual. Incidentally, the quote you made was not written by myself, but once again you have taken it upon yourself to change certain language. The term "transsexual" is a verb, but commonly taken for a noun. In present-day language it is correct, polite, practice to refer to someone as being a transsexual man or a transsexual woman. I'm wondering why this particular UK soap opera character has attracted your attention so. Hardylane 02:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

It is not just style. Economy or words is also part of succinct writing. For instance, I excised "odd anorak" because it means "odd odd person". You would have to agree that is pretty poor writing. Similarly, when we know our subject is female, why not simply say she is transsexual, or if you prefer, a transsexual. There is no point saying yet again that she is female. It's a real hoot that you are wondering why "this particular UK soap opera character has attracted" my attention. Many of the more than 3000 articles I have edited were tweaked after I discovered during random-article patrol that they were almost incoherent. I discovered this one on random-article patrol, and although it is nowhere near as bad as most needing attention, it cried out for a tweaking nonetheless. I see that you are a newbie, with edits to 34 articles, so please don't be disheartened when I point out that you seem to think what you originate is yours andwhat others originate is not your bailiwick. I asked you a question about an ambiguous passage (above) because I can't fathom its meaning, and you replied that the quote was not written by you. This is Wiki. It doesn't matter who writes things, we can all edit them to make them better where possible, I was hoping you might like to help me out with deciphering that passage.. Moriori 03:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, what I find really hard to understand is why you insist upon removing detail which you consider to be worthless. Detail makes a piece interesting to read. I'm not sure that basic facts are appropriate when giving the background to a piece of fiction. With regard to trans people, and the research done within that community, it is accepted terminology to refer to a male-to-female as a transsexual woman (or transwoman) and a female-to-male as a transsexual man (or transman). In order to be respectful, this is "label" that should be applied. We disagree in terms of written English but that's life I suppose. Such as why you substituted "because" for "as", when there was already a "because" in that sentence. Hardylane 17:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I have indefinitely blocked Aidan Work from editing Wikipedia. A review of his behaviour this month alone shows that it is way beyond the bounds of acceptability. He could have been blocked for any number of reasons, but inciting hatred through advocating homosexuals on top of all his other outrageous behaviour was one step too far. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 04:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Phoenix Lights

Due to the still ongoing activity going on in Phoenix, Arizona, should'nt this article be renamed The Phoenix UFO Incident ? Martial Law 10:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I am beginning to wonder about you ML! Moriori 20:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I've seen/encountered things that would scare Stephen King and Clive Barker, Wes Craven.

People are still reporting really bizarre activity in the Phoenix area, and I've personally witnessed some of it while getting a $60,000 RV 5th Wheel trailer fixed. I've been told by people out there, NM.,TX.,FL., other places that IF there is alien contact, the people will revolt, some for religious reasons, such as ,"UFOs and Aliens are 'Of The Devil' and the Govt. is working with demons", some out of revenge for being ridiculed as persuant to the Robertson Panel and Brookings Report protocol because they had seen something that is deemed socially unacceptable. Martial Law 06:26, 14 February 2006 (UTC) :)

Can someone explain the placement of the WP:NPOV tag in the Phoenix Lights article ? There is NOTHING at all that explains this at all. Martial Law 00:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC) :)

By the way, I do have a pix of one of the UFOs myself I had shot while getting said RV fixed. The thing was flying over a auto dealership. I was also trying to locate one Peter Gersten who runs the CAUS organization, website is www.caus.org. Some have nicknamed him "The UFO Lawyer"(he is a lawyer). Martial Law 23:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Sorry for the misunderstanding

Thanks for your vote in the Arbitration Committee elections. I seem to have written my opening statement in a way which has confused some voters. I didn't mean to say that I was reluctant to be a member of the Arbitration Committee, because I certainly am not! I merely wanted to say that were I to be serving on the ArbCom, I would inevitably have less time for article writing. I regard serving on the ArbCom as a way of serving the cause of writing an encyclopaedia by solving disputes and I certainly want to be part of trying to get the fairest and best outcome of any dispute which comes up. However, it seems to me that this may be a polite way of hiding an oppose vote founded on a serious objection to the way I would handle disputes, and if so I apologise for taking up your time. David | Talk 21:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note - as a Yorkshireman I tend to be plain-speaking (while courteous) but I know not everyone is, and all the New Zealanders I have known have tended to be very polite. Must work at this misunderstanding business as it does seem to be hitting my support hard! Of course you're entitled to your vote. David | Talk 22:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Geese I thought I was helping...--Holocron 12:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

vote here

Please Vote here "keep" : Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rosario Poidimani (3 nomination). Regards, M.deSousa 24 January 2006 (UTC

Image Tagging Image:42 Sq RNZAF Formation.jpg

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Date format

What about people who haven't logged in or set their date format? I am changing the dates in UK-related articles to the correct form used in the UK. I'm not touching anything else.

Flight 19, and the "Triangle" region

Given your revision of the Flight 19 article back to the "myth" wording, I felt that perhaps I should explain something. I am not a "woo woo," as your rather intriguing description of those who believe in the legitimacy of matters beyond human understanding of physics and the surrounding universe seems to be; I, like you, believe in foundational evidence being necessary in order to properly study a seemingly inexplicable event; the difference apparently is that I believe I have found numerous examples of well-documented, well-reasoned events that still defy any semblence of conventionality, and such accompanying explanations. The Valentich Disappearance, is for example one such event; the events occurring in the town of Exeter, New Hampshire on 3 September 1965, and known in "paranormal circles" as the Exeter Incident, another...especially so, considering that a United States congressional inquiry eventually forced the military to admit the event as a "genuine" example of unidentified aerial phenomena, something not very often in occurrance. To put it another way, I believe in there being many strange things happening in our present world that our understanding of science cannot explain, and personally refuse to allow stretchings of the bounds of rationality and credibility to breaking point through "skepticism" in equal measure of "mundane" explanations as I have of those that are supposedly fantastical. Charles Fort, in other words, might've been called a man after my own heart. All this, in the end, is to say that I request that you not lump my edits in with your apparently marginalized group of "cranks," merely because my wording openly allows for the possibility that the "cranks" might be at least partly correct in their affirmations, and/or claims; to quote no less than Hamlet, "There is more in heaven and earth, Horatio, than dreamt of in..." Thank you in advance. --Chr.K. 08:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC

You make an illogical assumption in saying I describe as woo woos "those who believe in the legitimacy of matters beyond human understanding of physics and the surrounding universe". I believe there are matters beyond human understanding of physics and the universe but I don't believe I fit my def of woo woo because I don't claim to know something that is unknowable. I don't doubt that you have "found numerous examples of well-documented, well-reasoned events that still defy any semblence of conventionality, and such accompanying explanations." That doesn't automatically mean they result from paranormal influences which is the POV that woo woos are trying to establish in articles such as Flight 19. You have highlighted a very important fundamental point that bears repeating. You said the military was forced to admit (an) event was a ""genuine" example of unidentified aerial phenomena". Right on. Unidentified! That's the key word, but a beacon for the conspiracy theorists who see it as grist for their paranormal mills. Even when identified, they still ignore the facts. Flight 19 for example. Moriori 09:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Moriori

Could you please give me some information re: photo of Broken Coat Jack Russell. I adopted a terrier from a high-kill shelter in the US (but I live in Canada) and he is identical with every marking to the photo attributed to you...huge ears and all. "208.181.200.56 03:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)"

Hi there. I can't tell you any more about JRs than is in the article. Re my photo, it's of our Squibby who is chronologically challenged to say the least. She hasn't got huge ears, just normal sized JR ears, but as they are pricked in the photo they may look larger than normal. JRs rarely prick their ears AFAIK and ours only occasionally. Incidentally, our dogs are unlikely to be related as you are in Canada and I am in NZ. ):-.

Football Aid

I've noticed you did an edit on Kaká back a while ago. I nominated the article at Football Aid/Article Improvement. Maybe you can help out by voting and do more edits. There are also more articles you can do and you can nominate articles yourself.Kingjeff 00:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Response to Inconsistent measurements

In response to your comment on my discussion page from 19:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC):

I can see why you may think that both measurements should be abbrivated for consistency, but it is just not correct according to the manual of Style. Here is what the wikipedia Manual of Sytle WP:MoS has to say:

Conversions should generally not be removed.

If editors cannot agree about the sequence of units, put the source value first and the converted value second.

Spell out source units in text. Use digits and unit symbols for converted values and for measurements in tables. For example, "a pipe 100 millimetres (4 in) in diameter and 10 miles (16 km) long".

MoS section on Measurements

That being said-I'm reverting it back. Thanks. MJCdetroit 21:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the link

Hi Jeffq. Your edit to Flight 19 changed a direct link to a pertinent reference, into a link to virtually nothing. That's the reason I have changed it back. Cheers. Moriori 01:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I understand your change, but the markup as it stood caused technical problems with the article, as bare-link numbering is shared with footnote numbering. I've reverted back to the fully-footnoted version. The original URL is still available in the footnote, with the addition of a proper citation of the source (instead of just a bare link). Please read my justification for this format at Talk:Flight 19#Footnotes and Navy report link if you wish to discuss this. Thank you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Richard O'Brien

Hi, I'm having trouble figuring out what's going on with this page. A link to an unsolicited external page was recently put up and information from that page which is at best unproven personal opinion, certainly outwith the bounds of accepted history and frankly extremely puzzling was incorporated into the WP article. Can you clarify your position on this? Do you edit this page under a user name and an IP? Nice one. I wrote and formatted the bulk of the article prior to the above and intend to keep the content on the page verifiable per standard WP criteria. Deizio 01:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I have made three edits to this article, all under my Moriori sig. Below you can also see in my summaries that (1) I support him being attributed with authorship of the show, (2) I removed from the photo caption the irrelevant mention of the 2nd O'Brien, (3) I generally edited the text to improve it. The summaries are below.

• (cur) (last) 14:20, March 8, 2006 Deiz (Reverting to remove absurd edits. If you want to continue this bizarre "2 richard o'brien" nonsense then I'll see you on the talk page.)
• (cur) (last) 12:34, March 8, 2006 Moriori m (remove caption ref to someone else - the article is about THIS guy, not someone else. Also remove meaninglesss sentences.)
• (cur) (last) 12:08, March 8, 2006 Arniep (rv bad edit)
• (cur) (last) 16:14, March 7, 2006 67.125.156.23 (→Selected Filmography)
• (cur) (last) 16:12, March 7, 2006 67.125.156.23
• (cur) (last) 16:08, March 7, 2006 Moriori m (→Personal Life - Remove unencyclopedic rant)
• (cur) (last) 16:06, March 7, 2006 67.125.156.23 (→External links)
• (cur) (last) 16:05, March 7, 2006 Moriori m (Revert. The number of sites that credit him with authorship totally overwhelm the site given in the previous edit summary)

There was an actor called Richard O'Brien who died aged 65 on March 29 1983, who is credited by some sites as having acted in the Rocky Horror Show. Whether that has resulted because someone has confused names, I don't know. What I do know is that the version of the article you have reverted to is inferior to my last edited version IMMHO. If you must insist that the 2nd O'Brien did not act in the show and doesn't get a mention here, then it's OK by me if you root it out. I would hope you would revert to my last edited version tho. Moriori 01:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Hi, good man and sorry if in my confusion I came over a bit strong, this has all just been a bit of a shock. Below you can see a reply I was drafting before you posted this. >>There are fragments of unverifiable cruft and the anon editors opinions in all the recent edits by all editors and I found it necessary to revert back to before it all started, it's less work this way. If you made any major changes to the content of the article it might be better to cut and paste them, sorry if that's more work, I'll help if I can. The theory does not relate to another Richard O'Brien, rather it states that someone else (a "Jim Steinman" who is credited in many songs and other aspects of the RHS empire) actually wrote the show, played Riff Raff (using prosthetics to look loke RoB) etc etc but RoB took the credit in some elaborate cover up. Have you read the conspiracy site? [4] Any opinions? It's a head scratcher and no mistake. Deizio 02:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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<------ this edit is inacurate per the above, and included for information only ----->

Hi again. My comments stem from the fact that there is only one Richard O'Brien. Any editor who has attempted to show that there are two Richard O'Briens - specifically that the same man (whose picture is on the page), born as Richard Timothy Smith and known as Richard O'Brien, did not write TRHS, TRHPS, star as Riff Raff in the movie, present the Crystal Maze, appear in D&D, Flash Gordon etc. - has made "absurd edits". It might not be denying the holocaust but it's certainly presenting a slanted and bizarre view of history far outwith what is universally accepted. If you made no such edits then I have not called your edits absurd. You say you made edits to "tone down" references to 2 RoB's which is why I'm having trouble seeing which side of the fence you're on here. There is no "toning down" to be done, only removal of unverifiable info. Hence I've reverted to before this little rash of edits began.

I've read the page which claims to show "the truth", that a "Jim Cypherd / Steinman" who the theorist claims many people know as Richard O'Brien was in fact responsible for much of what the real Richard O'Brien is credited with. Only on sites denying the moon landing have I seen such in-depth whistle blowing and I encourage others to look at it as it is interesting. Let's suspend disbelief and assume for a moment that a man known today as Anton Vig (the current drummer in Paul Schaffer's CBS Orchestra on the Late Show with David Letterman), previously known as Jim Steinman, did all this and it's a huge elaborate cover up. WP:NOR denies this information from being included in Wikipedia, and the incorrect but commonly accepted version of history must be reported.

This is interesting and I'm as open minded as they come. But this is also Wikipedia, and we need verifiability.Deizio 02:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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Re:Rfa.:

I have seen and experienced things that would scare Stephen King, Clive Barker, and Wes Craven and had to deal with trigger happy idiots when I was a kid living in Texas, and from time to time, have mainly CE-1s. Also people have told me about the Robertson Panel, which is a US Govt. program initiated to ridicule, insult any and all who have had paranormal encounters, interested in said matter. They also said that(polite) if there is alien contact, the people will revolt out of religious reasons, such as Satan is here to eat our souls and the govt. is collaborating with this monster, and/or out of revenge for being made a fool of, ridiculed by the govt. I was "Out West", travelling as a prospector at that time when I was told about this matter. I also have some military and police contacts, some of which may have been in the "Alphabet Agencies". One guy I met swore that IF there is alien contact, he'd grab some hardware and shoot anything that looks like Feds. I am no longer "Out West". Martial Law 23:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Frank Gardiner

Thankyou for your comments on my talk page. Please refrain from using the insult "your a newbie". It would equate to me saying I understand your edits are wrong because "your a kiwi". I based all of my contributions to the article on some lengthy reading of available research. As far as I can tell the only mistake I have made was one spelling mistake for the name of one of the authors: Robet instead of Robert. All others were not incorrect and did not warrant your blatant abuse. eg: 1. Spelling of Rosshire is correct - both in terms of correct english (drop one s or use a hyphen, and common use of that name in Scotland and the research I have bothered to read)-perhaps this should be reflected on the ross-shire page(go for your life).2.Use of America vs USA: [[5]] - In English-speaking societies, America is most commonly used to describe the United States and less often to refer to the Americas—North and South America. You also showed your ignorance by claiming it was his birth place here, but thats not the main point. 3. The pound. - another example of your lack of education: It is neither British pound or Australian pound - at the time various colonies were issuing their own notes. They used the pound symbol but the value did not equate to the pound sterling. I am wondering why I am wasting my time answering you, I guess I let you get under my skin! This is possibly because your comments do display a lack of education. So I guess my original comment was correct and the hat really does fit. I just can't stand bullies. So your an admin - BFD! Not everyone needs a badge to contribute. I may have been contributing for as long or longer than you - I just haven't used this identity for long and may not use it for much longer. Which brings me to my main point at last: if you weigh up what was contributed by me with that by you any reasonable person caould see you lack the ability to cogently contribute well reasoned information from available research to improve articles. Anyone can run around policing spelling - I personally would rather contribute detail than nitpicking - especially when the nitpicking is blantantly uneducated and wrong - as it is in your case. Krait 09:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

As you still give the impression you are new here, please be advised that Wikipedia demands accuracy, particularly in quotes. It's all about standards. In the second sentence in your paragraph above, you attribute to me the following statement -- "your a newbie". Your quote is inaccurate. Moriori 23:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually it was accurate: quote from Talk:Frank_Gardiner in your coments of "Moriori 06:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)": "... because with less than 150 edits you are a newbie here, but I ...." Unquote. I have had enough of you now and will try very hard not to get sucked into any more of your flagrant attempt at Trolling! Then again you are from the 8th State ...so I may revisit you when next the Wallabies thump the Blacks! Krait 01:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Krait"

Michael Campbell

Hi, you reverted my edit on Michael Campbell, how ever that edit was made in conformance with the style manual. In particular: Locations should be included in the biography portion of the body article. For example, "(12 February 1809 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England – 19 April 1882 in Downe, Kent, England)" should be separated to "(12 February 1809–19 April 1882) … He was born in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England … He died in Downe, Kent, England". Trevor1 19:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

"ow"

Not quibbling with your removal of "ow", but thought you might be interested to note that is how it's spelt in the context of brotown [6]. Although you will not from the url that they're slightly conflicted ("not-even-ao.html") about the spelling. Perhaps that's some social commentary on people not even (au) realising the origin of the term, or perhaps I'm reading far too much into it! --Limegreen 01:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey Limegreen. Brotown can mangle language as much as they like in advertising/marketing, but that doesn't suddenly change tradition/convention. Aue is a Maori word, and did not justify inclusion in the list of English words. Also, the spelling "ow" doesn't reflect actual pronunciation of the word. It is not "ow" as in cow, but more like "ower" as in power, but with less stress on the "er" part of it. If you heard someone say "Ow, that prickle hurt me, aue!", you would pick up the distinction in pronunciation. If you asked people what the word "ow" meant to them I'd say you would be hard pressed to find many who thought it meant anything but "ouch" as used in my previous sentence. Aue can mean many things such as "you're joking", or "don't be ridiculous" or "that's bullshit" etc. A versatile word indeed. Cheers. Moriori 01:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Aue is a Maori word -- that's why I wasn't quibbling with your removal of it there. I just find it interesting that the creators of brotown choose to spell it that why despite (one would assume) they know that it's not. --Limegreen 02:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Commander X

Go to www.paranormalnews.com to see a reference to a Commander X. What do you think of this guy ? Martial Law 03:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Waitangi Trib

I just checked their website http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/ -

The Tribunal article was contradictory. The introduction called the Tribunal a court, while the body of the article explained how it was a commission of inquiry, not a court, and did not have the powers of a court. As the Tribunal's website confirms, the Tribunal is a commission of inquiry. Cheers for pointing this out - I've edited the Trib article Kahuroa 10:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sign Language

Hi there, I noticed you reverted an edit on New Zealand about New Zealand Sign Language. Your edit is, at this point correct, but the New Zealand Sign Langauge Bill will goto its third reading in Parliament tomorrow (and maybe tonight depending on the speed of the house). So, it is very likely to be an official language soon (after Royal Assent of course). --Midnighttonight 07:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

And if it becomes an official language on the 6th as planned, we can then say it is an official language. Until then...........Moriori 09:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

TVNZ reports that it passed through the House. --Midnighttonight 08:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mud snail size

Thanks for pointing out that problem with New Zealand mud snail. -- Avenue 11:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Doonegate warning

(moved back here from User:Armon's talk page because it about your behaviour)

Sorry, I must have missed part of the policy where 3RR doesn't apply to User:Moriori. Is it under WP:hypocrisy by any chance? Note: this is a minor edit. User:Armon 14:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

No need to be sorry, many people misinterpret things. Let me demonstrate what happened.

• I edited the Helen Clark article at 12.07. It was a tweaking of the Doonegate section which needed attention
• You reverted that edit at 12.47
• I reverted to my version at 13.33
• You reverted that at 13.33
• Gadfium reverted to my version at 13.55
• You reverted to your version at 14.07 (and removed an error)
• I reverted to Gadfium's revert at 14.33

Count the reverts. There are six -- three by you, two by me and one by Gadfium. I suggest again (as above) that you read 3RR. You will see that my two reverts do not break 3RR policy. Your hypocrisy inference isn't appreciated. Moriori 18:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Three by you. Gadfium inadvertently helped you out by reverting to your version -save the BS for someone more credulous because you're obviously trying to "get off on a technicality". If you don't like the inference of being a hypocrite, don't act like one -simple. Armon 02:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC) :Oh, and one more thing. Your reinserted opinion re: "lasting political damage" was a clear violation of WP:Point - I noticed you didn't delete that for your much-vaunted "concision". Armon 02:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Apology

I would like to formally apologize for the above exchange. I was wrong, and even if I hadn't been, you showed great restraint in not blocking me for WP:NPA. I hope you accept it, and I will attempt to do better in the future. << armon >> 13:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Stewart_Island/Rakiura

Sorry for starting a debate on Talk:Stewart_Island/Rakiura about the name :), all the best Brian | (Talk) 04:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Helen Clark -Article Cleanup and removal of POV tag

If you're happy to put the "Doonegate" nastiness behind us, I'd like your input on this section of the talk page. Armon 00:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hawaiki

Hi Moriori - I just noticed a comment at Talk:Hawaiki that, of all wikipedians, you might be best-placed to reply to... Grutness...wha? 10:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Auckland meetup

Just to let you know that a meetup is planned in Auckland for the 25th of June (see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland for more details), and that you are cordially invited. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 23:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Gabeshannessey correct

In Bigfoot. Ther is no phyical evidence, yet it still keeps appearing. You, Moritori are not right just because you say you are. 207.200.116.131 06:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Get real. If there is no physical evidence of X, as YOU say, then you cannot have evidence that X continues to appear. Moriori 06:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Hyderabad

My intenteion was to revert the edits made by 61.246.49.141 stating that "Urdu is the prinicipal language". I suppose your corrections were based on the edits by 61.246.49.141.

sorry

ohh egg on my face apologies..moza 08:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Prod of Andrew Lanza

Hi, just to let you know, I deprodded this article. Many other New York City Councillors have articles, for one thing, and for another, this article was previously deprodded, and should not be prodded again; once an article is deprodded, you may consider its deletion controversial. Just letting you know. Cheers! Mangojuice^talk 11:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, I see you're still confused. Take a look at the first sentence under "Conflicts" in Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. It quite clearly says that if the prod is removed by anyone, including the article creator, you should not re-prod it. This is a confusion a lot of people have about prod, because the opposite is true of speedy deletion; there, if someone removes the tag, anyone can add it back for any reason, and article creators are explicitly requested not to remove the speedy tag themselves. Mangojuice^talk 21:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)