Talk:Paul Hunter

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bencherlite^Talk 01:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this. Bencherlite^Talk 01:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm quick-failing this article for numerous instances of non-neutral language. For example:

• "Four months later, Hunter caused a major sensation at the UK Championship by beating world number six Alan McManus 9–4 in the first round".
• "at the age of just 17 and three months"
• "Hunter's achievements earned him high accolades throughout the game" (also unsourced)
• "it was to be the start of a great love affair that he would have with Wembley" (also unsourced)
• "where he defeated no fewer than seven players to lift the title "
• "he announced his arrival as a genuine force at the top of the professional game"
• "but he saved his best form for the 2001 Masters."
• "on his way to a famous 10–9 victory,"
• "but it did not get any less exciting along the way. After a relatively straight-forward 6–3 victory at the round of 16 stage over Stephen Lee, Hunter triumphed in final frame shoot-outs against Peter Ebdon in the quarter-finals, Alan McManus in the semi-finals and most memorably coming from 0–5 down to beat Mark Williams 10–9 in the final"
• "It represented a fantastic start to the year for Hunter,"
• "After his best ever season, in which he had been a contender in virtually every tournament he played, it was time for the Yorkshireman to perform in the biggest tournament of all, and that he most certainly did."

I could go on, but the point is made.

Other problems

These are not quick-fail issues, but might help for a future submission.

• Lead
  • "As well Hunter compiled 114 competitive century breaks [...]" - not grammatically correct
  • "In March 2005 Hunter was diagnosed with neuroendocrine tumours, he died from the disease in 2006[...]" not grammatically correct
• Early life
  • "By the age of 12 had become an outstanding junior talent." not grammatical, and "outstanding junior talent" is a direct quotation from the source so should either be acknowledged as such or reworded.
  • "He has won many junior tournaments" - wrong tense
• Early career
  • "the youngster from Leeds made his debut among the professionals" / "before bowing out" - not encyclopaedic tone
  • "before he overcame the John Higgins" - not grammatically correct
• Masters champion
  • "knocking in four centuries in six frames" - not encyclopaedic tone

I could go on, but again, the point is I hope made.

The "death and legacy" and "personal life" sections have too many one-sentence paragraphs, which ought to be merged together, moved elsewhere, or expanded.

Too many problems in the quick-fail list to ignore. Feel free to resubmit once the article has been rewritten. Bencherlite^Talk 01:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 26 March 2015

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 20:39, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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Paul Hunter → Paul Hunter (snooker player) – There are 6 different Paul Hunters on Wikipedia, one of which, Paul Hunter (director), is a popular music video director that has worked with Justin Timberlake, Madonna and J. Lo. I don't see why this Paul Hunter has to be the primary one for the name. I think the name should be changed to help with any confusion and that "Paul Hunter" redirect to the disambiguation page. LADY LOTUS • TALK 11:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Searching both by Google and internally in Wikipedia suggests that the director is at least equally notable (he has also directed a feature film, Bulletproof Monk). Furthermore, a Google Books search suggests that there are a number of other notable people named Paul Hunter missing from the encyclopedia. bd2412 T 13:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support but with preference for Paul Hunter (English snooker player) or similar as per the quality of subtitling found in Britannica in relation to sports personalities. GregKaye 13:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

  There is no other notable snooker player named "Paul Hunter", so "English" does not provide any additional disambiguation, and the inclusion would destroy consistency with hundreds of other titles that use "(snooker player)" without including a nationality (e.g. Mike Dunn (snooker player), Oliver Brown (snooker player), Ian McCulloch (snooker player), Tony Jones (snooker player), Brian Morgan (snooker player), Wayne Cooper (snooker player), Gary Wilson (snooker player), Michael Holt (snooker player), Jamie O'Neill (snooker player), James McBain (snooker player), Martin Clark (snooker player), Steve James (snooker player), John Astley (snooker player)). bd2412 T 14:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

  Agreed., that would only be necessary if there was another snooker player from a different country with an article ( Italian, American, French etc). Since that is not the case we don't need unnecessary precision.--67.68.208.63 (talk) 05:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Picture?

Surely it's not beyond the wit of man to get a picture for this article? Not least given that Hunter was so well-known for his looks? Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I was looking to ask the same thing. The hideous image currently here may be of Paul Hunter, or it may be an outtake from some 1930s horror film. For God's sake, someone put up a decent picture of this man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.242.175 (talk) 10:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

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And a man known for his good looks, a man who could have been cast as an excellent Vampire Lestat, gets a posthumous-looking pic that makes him look more like Nosferatu. Come on, we can do better! http://www.pix123.com/livesnooker/NewsImages/473980_2948403.jpg Steve Rapaport (talk) 14:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Lead image

Please can someone try to get hold of a free use image that we can use for this article? I can't believe there isn't a photo of Paul somewhere out there that can't be licensed for use in Commons. The one we're using at the moment is a portrait derived from an etching on a trophy and it doesn't even look remotely like Hunter! As it's a representative image, rather than an actual picture of the subject of the article, it doesn't provide "visual confirmation" and could therefore be misleading. The reader might question whether they've arrived at the correct article. See MOS:LEADIMAGE. In my view, we shouldn't really be using this image and the best solution might be to go back to not having a lead image at all. Rodney Baggins (talk) 07:15, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
And I just realised this image was added a few weeks ago by an unregistered IP but no-one questioned it at the time. Rodney Baggins (talk) 07:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Rodney Baggins - there is a possibility for NfCC images here. As the article is no longer a BLP, we could get away with adding an image such as we did at Bill Werbeniuk Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski, thanks Lee, I'd completely forgotten about this! I agree with what you're saying, according to Wikipedia:FUC, it should be OK as there is no free equivalent available (point 1 in Policy section). Question is, where can we get an image from? What about nicking this from the Polish wiki? [1] Cheers, Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:21, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski, hello again. Going back through the page revisions, the image in this version is the one I suggested above, but was removed by User:Aloeicious who called it a "poor photo"...? It's in commons: [2] Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, just re-add it. If there is a free image, FUR no longer counts. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 29 April 2020

• Paul Hunter (snooker player) → Paul Hunter
• Paul Hunter → Paul Hunter (disambiguation)

– The WP: PRIMARYTOPIC. The director has a lot of notability, but doesn't even get close to the amount of hits as the snooker player. Despite not being world number one, or a world champion, 3 Masters titles suggest he is a well known snooker player. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC #2. Long-term page views for all DAB entries show the snooker player gets a clear majority of views, even excluding the sometimes dramatic spikes. (A logarithmic scale shows this more clearly.) 94.21.253.28 (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support per now.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per arguments by User:BD2412 and User:GregKaye in the above Talk:Paul Hunter (snooker player)#Requested move 26 March 2015. Nothing has changed — "Paul Hunter" is a very common name and there are now eight entries at the disambiguation page, rather than the seven of 2015. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 14:53, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
  • The previous RM was flawed in that it suggested that because we have a lot of articles with the same name, we therefore cannot have a primary topic. See John Higgins a significantly more common name, with far more articles, but the snooker play is clearly the primary topic. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:32, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per the outcome of the previous discussion. The spikes are outliers, and the narrower ones could just as easily be the result of machine-generated searches as human interest. Let's be honest here, snooker is generally not one of the most publicized sports. BD2412 T 15:10, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how that could be considered true. A quick Google search for Paul Hunter brings up almost exclusive hits for the snooker player. Over a prolonged history the article gets a significant amount more traffic than the rest of the articles. Snooker is perfectly well publicised. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:32, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Is it really, though? BD2412 T 16:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

How has snooker's publicity got anything to do with whether this person is the primary topic? 62.165.227.49 (talk) 01:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)