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Request for article creation

Hello, I was wondering if anyone could assist me in getting an article created for 6 time BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) world champion Paulo Sergio Santos? I put the request in and also under the martial arts talk page, but I have a conflict of interest creating the article as I have trained with him before and he is a living person. Thank you! BasicsOnly (talk) 16:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@BasicsOnly: Welcome to the Teahouse! Before starting to create a new article, I suggest you work on existing articles so you can learn the basics of Wikipedia. When you're ready, there's lots of good advice on Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 16:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Hello BasicsOnly! Thanks for being open with your WP:COI. I was going to suggest Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts, but you thought of that, maybe you'll get lucky. You can also start the article as a Help:Userspace draft, write it as well as you can, presumably you have sources per WP:BASIC/WP:SPORTBASIC, and then submit it for review, see Wikipedia:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft#Ready!. Be sure to WP:DISCLOSE. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Is this [1] the guy? Sounds interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no it is this individual: https://www.bjjee.com/interview/highest-ranked-black-belt-in-france-paulo-sergio-santos-we-must-be-an-example-for-our-students/ https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/paulo-sergio https://www.instagram.com/paulosergiobjj/?hl=en http://www.psphoenixbjj.com/?page_id=6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicsOnly (talk • contribs) 00:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@BasicsOnly: You're going to need three or more sources that professionally-published and are not dependent upon, connected with, nor affiliated with you or Paulo Sergio Santos -- but are still specifically and primarily about him. Without those, there can be no article. Here is the clearest recipe I've been able to come up with for articles that won't be rejected or deleted. It includes steps that users with a conflict of interest can follow to get the article started. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ian.thomson. Would this help?

Several Articles Referencing Paulo Sergio Silva dos Santos (Paulo Sergio Santos) including one Wikipedia Article which references him: https://jits.fr/athletes/paulo-sergio-silva-dos-santos http://karatebushido.com/paulo-sergio-santos-6-fois-champion-du-monde-de-jiu-jitsu-bresilien/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Jiu_Jitsu#Notable_Alliance_Black_Belts https://www.icelandreview.com/news/icelander-european-champion-bjj/ https://ibjjf.com/results/international-master-senior-jiu-jitsu-championship-2006-results/ https://www.ikusa.fr/JJB/ceinture https://alliancebjj.com/instructors/notable-black-belts/ https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/paulo-sergio https://cocepjiujitsubresilien.wordpress.com/about/lequipe-pedagogique/diplomas/

works created: https://www.amazon.com/Santos-Paulo-Sergio-Brazilian-Jiu-jitsu/dp/B004FF455M/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-2&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 https://www.amazon.com/Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Alliance-Standing-Techniques/dp/B00EWJ407Y/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-3&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Basic-Techniques/dp/B004FF8JFO/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-4&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Advanced-Techniques/dp/B004QITICS/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-5&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicsOnly (talk • contribs) 01:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@BasicsOnly: Wikipedia articles and WordPress sites are user generated, not professional sources. Lists from organizations he's worked with or competed in are not independent sources. Indiscriminate lists of names tell us nothing about Paulo Sergio Santos. The Iceland Review article is the closest thing you've got to an independent professional source -- but that article is about Jósep Valur Gudlaugsson, not Paulo Sergio Santos (doesn't matter if it mentions him, it's not about him).

Again, professionally-published and are not dependent upon, connected with, nor affiliated with you or Paulo Sergio Santos -- but are still specifically and primarily about him. To be clearer, that means stuff like newspaper articles or magazine articles (including online versions of those from the original publisher's website). Ian.thomson (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft improvement or deletion

Hi, I was writing a draft about this 19th century Italian ceramicist, Vincenzo Molaroni, but I can't find any substantial information on the subject. It also seems to be not/vaguely notable. Should I create a stub on this with the information and resources available (additional info can be added to what's already there, but not much) or should it be deleted? Thanks. NawJee (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi NawJee. There are really no deadlines per se when it comes to drafts which means you can continue working on it and trying to improve it at your own pace if you like. Things like WP:N don't really apply to drafts like they do to articles; so, as long as the draft is a good faith attempt and not about something frivolous, it should be OK. The only thing you do need to worry about is leaving it go unedited for too long so that it doesn't get mistaken as an abandoned draft. If you create a WP:STUB, it might survive (even for quite some time), but there's always a risk that it will end up WP:DELETEd; moreover, the idea behind a stub is that the subject's Wikipedia notability is pretty well established, but there's room for improvement and that the article has the potential to eventually evolve into a much more developed article. Perhaps you can find some members of a relevant Wikiproject who can help finding sources and assessing notability. You can always submit the draft to WP:AFC for review when you think it's ready and see what happens. Being accepted via AFC doesn't mean an article can never be deleted, but AFC reviewers tend to be fairly experienced editors and typically don't approve drafts that are likely going to end up quickly deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

NawJee, please see WP:ARTIST for more detail. From first glance this seems to have a certain prospect; please feel free to improve it and add more sources! Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 12:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Marchjuly:, I understand that there are no deadlines and that they are usually deleted if left unedited for 60 days, but I am concerned about the notability and availability of content. Anyhow, as Eumat114 suggested, I'll improve the draft and add what sources I can find. The reviewers at AfC can then best judge if it should be published at all. Thank you both for answering. NawJee (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

For 60 days read 6 months; see WP:G13. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, must have misread. Thanks for the correction, David Biddulph. NawJee (talk) 07:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

trying to add an omitted published book on the author's page, but can't seem to do it

Richard Reeves wikipedia page omitted a book he published and I read NEIL J SHERMAN (talk) 01:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

NEIL J SHERMAN Just press edit on the top right, go ahead and add it, and leave an edit summary such as "added book". Everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. If I am misunderstanding your question, feel free to be more specific. Hillelfrei ^talk 01:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, NEIL J SHERMAN, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if you mean Richard Reeves (American writer) or Richard Reeves (British author), but in either case, there has not been a recent edit to add another work, so whatever you did, it didn't complete.

Please note that Wikipedia articles about writers and other creative people don't necessarily list all their works. You are welcome to be bold and add another book (and it's best if you can give a citation, preferably to a professionally published review of it - not to a commercial site such as Amazon!); but be aware that it is possible that other editors may disagree that that is appropriate, and remove your edit. If that happens, don't panic! Follow to the page I linked just above (the word 'bold'), and you can open a discussion with that other editor. --ColinFine (talk) 09:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

mischievous IP user

I came across this bogus edit from an IP user.

Looking at some of the other recent edits from this specific IP, most of them get reverted. I presume this editor (I use the word with some apprehension) will sometimes get assigned nearby IPs (what's an appropriate prefix for an AT&T IPv6 customer range? /48? /56?). Anyway, I am just curious if there's any reasonable way to deter such behavior or otherwise mitigate such mischievous activity. Fabrickator (talk) 03:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Fabrickator I think the info you're looking for is WP:RANGE. Does that answer your question? Hillelfrei ^talk 04:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

In general a /64 suffix will be used for such range blocks for IPv6 editors, hence 2600:387:0:809::/64 in this case. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: A /64 is normally the equivalent of a single IPv4 /32 address. I usually check ranges in increments of 8 bits, as you suggested (i.e., /56, /48, /44) to find other contribs by the same user (and potential collateral). Addresses on some mobile networks unfortunately tend to be less clustered, unfortunately, than cable/DSL providers that use more regular geographic allocations. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hillelfrei, David Biddulph, AlanM1: Thanks for the info on blocking by IP address and on IPv6 address ranges. Fabrickator (talk) 18:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

COI issue with Persian novel I translated into English

I need advice on how to not appear to be promoting a [non-commercial] novel which I am, in fact, in a way promoting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:My_Blog_Is_Up_For_Grabs I failed to add a COI tag at the outset only because I didn't know about such things which I hope I have now corrected. (Not sure if I added that correctly.) I believe the Persian author of the book is sufficiently notable in that he is now up for the prestigious Hans Christian Andersen Award (it's the "Nobel" in the realm of international children's literature) and the author has also won prestigious prizes in his home country, Iran. Obviously, his works are not very accessible to non-Persian readers so that is why I translated this novel into English and put it in the public domain for free. This novel has so far gone into 3 printings in Iran (that's considered a lot there) but the English translation is likely only going to be of interest to a small niche group. So how can I bring the translation to people's attention other than "promoting" it? My article was rejected for "promoting" but I honestly must ask, aren't pretty much all new books and film articles on Wikipedia not written by those connected with them? I'm stuck as to how to get my article accepted and any tips would be appreciated. MrConnieGenius (talk) 06:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello MrConnieGenius and welcome to the Teahouse! Some new books and film articles definetely are, and they are often deleted because the creators don't know enough about what a WP-article should look like. More (I think) are created by some sort of fan (or Wikipedian who sees the opportunity to write a decent article), for example I created Norse Mythology because I read it and liked it (and I would have been very surprised if I didn't like it).

Now. What can make this article seem non-promo and "stick" on WP. It depends on sources. If you haven't, check WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. Gather the sources you can find that are at the same time reliably published, independent of the author/publisher/you/etc, and talks about the book directly and in some detail. No blogs, wikis, tweets etc. Then, write the article only by summarizing these sources. It will likely be shorter. A "plot" section can be written based on the book itself, in a concise describe-don't-interpret manner. Per WP:NOENG these sources need not be in English, but of course it's easier if they are. And they still have to be WP:RS. If there are no such sources, the article won't be accepted at this time. If the book gets significant awards in the future, that may increse coverage at some point. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for your advice. MrConnieGenius (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

How To Publish Articles On Wikipedia

I wish to find out how one can create an article about a particular subject on Wikipedia and published it Sandy Mukum Fokou (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sandy Mukum Fokou: If you're looking to create an article, we strongly suggest you read through WP:YFA first thoroughly and have reliable sources. If you search for your subject here they might already have an article written about them and you contribute there instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Why is someone undoing our Wiki

• Guy Chambers

hi there,

we are putting accurate information on Guy Chamber's wiki so why is someone undoing it all? It's very frustrating. We are working through it and referencing things as best we can via other Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guy_Chambers&oldid=955198240 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSounds2020 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

SSounds2020 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Guy Chambers does not have a "wiki", there is a Wikipedia article about him. (a wiki is a type of entire website, not a single article) The article does not belong to Mr. Chambers or his representatives. Is that who "we" is? Only a single person should be operating your account. If you are associated with Mr. Chambers, you need to read and formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies.

Your edits have been removed because they are unsourced additions to a biography of a living person. If you have independent reliable sources to support your changes, please offer them on the article talk page as a edit request. 331dot (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

That article is pretty awful, WP-wise. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree it is a mess. I poked it some, but needs more brutal editing. David notMD (talk) 13:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

5G article

Regarding my edit to 5G article which is considered as promotion purpose: would you guide me why so I can avoid the same problem the next time? since massive MIMO is a proposed technology in 5G because mmWave frequency range is assigned in 5G (which means millimeters wavelength), in consequence massive MIMO can be possible when the half Lambda (for beamforming) antenna arrays distance form each other can be met in a smaller area size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G Farzaneh.mostafaei (talk) 08:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Farzaneh.mostafaei: Welcome to the Teahouse! As part of the Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss cycle, you boldly added some information to the article, and another user reverted your edit. The next thing to do is for you to discuss it at the article talk page: Talk:5G. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Farzaneh.mostafaei: I actually checked the link added while monitoring changes to Wikipedia and noticed that that link may not comply with our policies on external links. Generally, we do not allow external links to blogs or promotional websites unless if they are added by an established contributor in a neutral fashion. Other links usually get deleted. Thanks for reaching out with your question, though, and have a nice day/night! Aasim 19:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

COVID case and death rate percentages were 30-50% lower

I just corrected the percentage increases in COVID cases and deaths from May 5-6th in Sweden. All of the incorrect numbers were 30-50% lower than they should have been. Can you tell from editing history who entered these wrong numbers? Looks a bit like a deliberate effort to flatten the curve using wrong statistics. StanfordPostDoc (talk) 08:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

StanfordPostDoc Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to bring up this sort of comment is the article talk page, Template talk:COVID-19 pandemic data/Sweden medical cases chart. You can examine the edit history of the page(click the "View History" tab at the top of the article) to see who else has edited it, but I would tread carefully in accusing other editors of deliberate misinformation without direct evidence, the other editors may simply have different information than you. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you... will do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by StanfordPostDoc (talk • contribs) 09:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Help regarding a content dispute in a sensitive area (More specifically, regarding in what cases can a controversial term be used)

Requesting advice from any uninvolved editor who knows how to handle discussions from sensitive areas like Indian politics and communal riots.
There is a discussion at Talk:2020 Delhi riots#Confused to remove the “in the Indian capital's deadliest Hindu-Muslim riot since 1950” in the lead of the article. I opposed removing the phrase due to the fact that 30% of the deceased were Hindus (as per the infobox), but other participants were citing verifiability and original research policies and saying that almost no source calls it a Hindu-Muslim riot, and that the death toll doesn’t account for those who were left in the drains to die (if there is evidence that there are some missing victims, then why keep a possibly fudged up death toll?). However, I found four reliable sources, two of which have an international presence, calling it as “Hindu-Muslim clashes”. Sources which have termed the riots as “Hindu-Muslim”:

• BBC - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51639856 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461
• Reuters - https://in.reuters.com/article/india-citizenship-protests/police-detain-hundreds-after-hindu-muslim-clashes-in-new-delhi-idINKCN20M0Y7
• Associated Press - https://apnews.com/fc33669f25c98b0762917ea093f21916
• The New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/world/asia/new-delhi-hindu-muslim-violence.html

Here, Reuters, Associated Press and NYT did note that both Hindus and Muslims had resorted to violence (though they focused on the Hindus committing the majority of crimes). So, is the fact that these sources call it a Hindu-Muslim clash enough to leave the phrase in the article? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The purpose of the Teahouse is not for intervening in content disputes. The place for discussion, as you are aware, is the article talk page. If agreement can't be reached there, the processes are laid out at WP:Dispute resolution. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for not being clear enough. My question actually has to do with whether a source’s using a particular term, even in sensitive subjects like this, warrants that term’s existence in the article if only some sources use it (no Indian newspaper has used the Hindu-Muslim term AFAIK). I was giving the situation for context. I’ve added the same on the talk page, but I’d like advice for when a similar situation comes up again. And by the way, is the “Thanks for the warm welcome” above the topmost query supposed to be there? It makes no sense to me. (The concerns voiced in the previous sentences have been addressed) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 13:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi again

another question So I noticed thank I have been given a couple times on how I am not making very constructive edits. I would like to know how I can make more constructive edits. I would also like help with sandbox because I can not get the article to not be a real article, just wanted it to be visible to me so I can take short-cuts to my favorite articles as my own favorite button. Thamks! Clockworkv (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Clockworkv, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can see that you are enthusiastic about contributing to Wikipedia. The trouble is that you are ploughing in and making changes without understanding how Wikipedia works. Some of the categories you are adding with HotCat may be good calls; but some of them will undoubtedly be either contrary to policy (because the entry is already in the sub- or super-category) or have been discussed and decided against. Again, adding an acronym to a DAB page that isn't used in the article you're directing to is not necessarily constructive, and nor is changing British to American spellings without good reason (especially in an article about a British film! See WP:ENGVAR). My advise to you is to slow down. The WP:Task Center and the WP:Community portal both have suggestions for how you can help.

As for your last question: if you don't want other people to see it, don't put it on Wikipedia. Period. There are no private areas on Wikipedia, anywhere. User space and Draft space are not considered part of the main encyclopaedia, and are not indexed by search engines, but they are still publicly visible. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

thanks for the additive Clockworkv (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

If you want a page of handy links and things to copy for editing, Clockworkv, you can have one. I have User:DESiegel/Tools. A sandbox is not a good place for such a page. A Tools or Links or Shortcuts page would not be private (anyone could see it), but normally there would be no reason for anyone else to edit it or even look at it. It is also possible to add a link to such a page as a custom menu itme on your Wikipedia menu. If you are interasted I can explain how to do that.

A sandbox is best used for either of two main purposes. It can be a place to experiment with wiki markup and formatting, to see how it works or what it looks like. It can also be the first stage of a draft of an article. Or you can go directly to a Draft page, or create a userspace draft such as User:Clockworkv/Topic (where "Topic" is replaced by the topic of the draft). This avoids confussion that can result when a sandbox is used to draft several different articles and the early history can become mixed. But it is never a requirement. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try that out at some point. :) Clockworkv (talk) 15:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Looking to create a biographical page for an organization CEO. No red link for her name exists yet.

Hello,

I am looking to draft and have vetted a biographical page for Mary Woolley, President and CEO of Research!America.

It has come to my attention that she had a page previously, but it was retracted for reasons I am unaware of. I want to learn the steps I can take to remedy this situation and produce an objective, non promotional and nonpartisan account of Mary Woolley's life.

There is another woman with the same name that has Wikipedia page Mary Emma Woolley. I am not looking to change that page at all. Without a red link to start a page for Research!America's Mary, where would I begin? Importantly, how can I have my content vetted by a Wikipedia admin, so that the information can remain compliant and published?

Thanks in advance for assistance that can be offered on this. Markvoneisen (talk) 13:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

What is your connection to Mary Woolley? Know her personally? Being paid to attempt to create an article? By the way, what Wikipedia has are 'articles,' not 'pages.' Once an article exists, any editor can edit it (within certain limits). There is no ownership. David notMD (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Hello Markvoneisen! Consider the advice given here: User talk:R!A Editor. It seems one reason it was deleted was that it was copypasted from elsewhere, which is a BIG no-no on WP. If WP:COI applies to you, follow the directions there. Also take the time to read WP:BASIC, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Markvoneisen: I suggest reading WP:YFA carefully if you hadn't and to use the article creation wizard to make a draft. Prepare at least three reliable and independent sources. When you are ready to have it reviewed, click Submit my draft for review!. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Markvoneisen and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia once had an article entitled "Mary Woolley". The content was apparently copied from http://www.researchamerica.org/mary-woolley and it was removed as a copyright violation in 2017, and converted into a redirect to Mary Emma Woolley. I would suggest starting a draft at Draft:Mary Woolley If the draft is written in a neutral and non-promotional manner, and if it cites sources sufficient to demonstrate the |notability of this person, it could be moved to the main article space after a review, and the reviewer would take care oif adjusting the redirect and doing any needed disambiguation to distinguish between the different but similarly named people.

The key here is notability. This usually requires multiple independent published reliable sources. That means sources not written or controlled by Woolley or by her employer or associates. It also means sources which discuss here at some length, not a mere passing mention or directory entry. There should normally be at least three such sources. Please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your First Article before trying to create such a draft.

I must echo David notMD above and ask if you have any connection or association with Woolley that might constitute a Conflict of ZInterest or if you are being paid or compensated in any way to write such an article. Any COI should be disclosed as described at WP:COI, and any paid editing must be disclosed as described in WP:PAID. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

One more point, Markvoneisen. You write above of "remedy[ing] this situation": this presupposes that there is something wrong with the situation. There may be, but only according to Wikipedia's criteria, not to Woolley's. If Woolley meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then it will be a benefit to Wikipedia to have an article about her. If she does not, then it will be a benefit to Wikipedia for nobody to waste time on an article about her. The question of a benefit for the subject does not arise (see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for offering direction here. I do indeed have a conflict of interest in that I work for her organization. However, this effort is part an initiative to heighten organizational transparency on multiple fronts — with a goal that is the opposite of increasing subjectivity. Given my brief research, Woolley certainly meets the criteria for notability. Unless this task should be the sole prerogative of an external editor(s), I am able and willing to curate a draft and submit to editors for vetting. Thanks for the assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markvoneisen (talk • contribs) 17:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Markvoneisen, thanks for being open with your WP:COI. I suggest you WP:DISCLOSE, check Help:Introduction for how to edit, create a Help:Userspace draft, write your article, then see WP:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft#Ready!. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

As DESiegel noted, WP:PAID applies. And COI. Declare both on your User page. Advice: Craft a draft, and be as neutral point of view and reliable/independent source referenced as you can. Submit the draft to AfC. If accepted by a reviewer, it becomes an article. If declined, you can work to address the shortcomings the reviewer identified. AN IMPORTANT POINT (yes, I am raising my voice), once it is an article you are no longer supposed to directly edit the article. Instead, as PAID, you are to propose changes on the article's Talk page, so that an independent editor can either accept or reject. So, pays to be comprehensive before submitting. Lastly, give some thought as to whether this is better as an article about the person or the organization. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Markvorneisen. I'm sorry to pick up on your phraseology again, but I think you're still not quite getting it. "An initiative to heighten organizatiohnal transparency on multiple fronts" is no doubt a very laudable goal, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia. If having a Wikipedia article assists that goal, splendid, but you are tying your goal to a resource over which you have absolutely no control, and which is not remotely interested in whether your organisation benefits or not from there being (or not being) such an article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

How to bring in additional editors or contributors to a discussion/debate re NPOV of an article?

Hi, I'm brand new and finding this a bit daunting. Have gotten into a debate on NPOV of one section of Corey_Johnson_(politician). Looking for other editors to weigh in on the talk page of the article. I added a tag disputing the neutrality, and added discussion on the talk page, but it is devolving into an unproductive back-and-forth with one editor. Help? Thanks! Broom Bones (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Broom Bones! WP is a strange place, but hopefully you'll enjoy it. There is no guaranteed way, Wikipedians edit what they please when they please, but what you should try is this: See the wikiprojects listed at the top of Talk:Corey Johnson (politician). Go to their talkpages, post something like "There is a discussion about religious freedom at Talk:Corey Johnson (politician), your input is welcome." Perhaps WP:NPOV/N would be a good place as well. Guidance at WP:APPNOTE. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Gråbergs Gråa Sång! Broom Bones (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Broom Bones. You could also use Wikipedia:Third opinion to ask fo9r additional input when two editors seem to be in a standoff with no good way forward. I would not advise doing both the notice board and Third opinion at the same time. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

What is considered disruptive behavior here? ?? I was showing where I can exploit wikipedia. If I really wanted to misuse wikipedia, will I show you all that? Wouldn't I quietly work on the shortcomings? SoloWonder (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@SoloWonder: The English Wikipedia's policy for disruptive editing can be found at WP:DISRUPT. -Examknow^talk 15:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Please specifically show me which part of that did I violate. And how? And how slow you need this exercise. I guess editors here may be part time volunteers. Otherwise how can someone sustain without earning out of this project? SoloWonder (talk) 16:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Just by looking at your contributions, you appear to have ignored specific instructions from other editors not to post generic questions at article talk pages. Please listen to your fellow editors when they try to help you. Thank you -Examknow^talk 16:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

"not to post generic questions" I took a quick glance at WP:DISRUPT. I didn't see this point in that write up. Please copy paste the part you are trying to highlight. SoloWonder (talk) 16:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

All of your posts are disruptive. If you want to edit articles, edit. So far, you are zero for article edits, 30 for article Talk and Teahouse comments. David notMD (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

"All of your posts are disruptive." Kindly then discuss 1 post which you consider as disruption. I do a long exercise in order to arrive at a judgement. Until I am not clear I don't edit. I some time discuss 1000s of lines. Is that a disruptive behavior? Judges take many months at times? If yes, that's not normal? I am not a mind reader. There by I need to ask/trick others to know their point of view. SoloWonder (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

SoloWonder, please note that we have actual articles on Sealioning and Wikilawyering. The responders on these Desks are familiar with such behaviors and are not inclined to indulge them, or to waste their volunteered time by responding to them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.81.243 (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, what 2 said. You are now 0-31 for article edits versus comments that do not improve the encyclopedia. Clock ticking. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, User:SoloWonder, when I wrote on your favorite page, Talk:Adam's Bridge, yesterday, assuming good faith that you actually weren't aware that you have a user talkpage which is full of advice and warnings, you suddenly abandoned Talk:Adam's Bridge. You still have not edited your user talkpage, User talk:SoloWonder, since then, or ever, and my WP:AGF is wearing a little thin. Please respond to at least some of the posts at User talk:SoloWonder before posting again here at the Teahouse. You can only get away with disruptive editing for so long by ignoring what other people tell you. Bishonen | tålk 23:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC).

Apparently they are here to "exploit" WP for our own good or something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Using a Wikipedia image?

I would like to know if I can use a picture from your online collect of Antiochus Epiphanes for a book I am writing. Reese077 (talk) 16:21, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Created a section title for this new question and deleted personal contact information. An answer to your question will either be posted here or at your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Reese077: It depends on the picture. Most are licensed to be freely reusable (usually with attribution) but some are not. Click on the picture you are interested in and it will show you the licence information. RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

COI posted at WP userpage

Ho can anybody please tell me if I did place correctly the COI at my userpage?? It was needed in order to add information to an existing WP entry. I have now the text to be added ( I guess I have to go to the entry, edit and add the text) however I don't know how to add the references (it says can be added only in source mode)

Thank you very much editors!! DrDelaTorre (talk) 16:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@DrDelaTorre:  Fixed the COI declaration at your user page. If you have text and references you would like added to The Invisible Gorilla article, you can make a request with all the details at the article talk page: Talk:The Invisible Gorilla. Don't worry about adding references in any particular format - just do your best. GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

picture from language russian wikipedia to english

Hullo! I am adding information to the entry in english language wikipedia about Yevgenia_Pobedimova from russian language wikipedia (as suggested by the tag at the top of the page). How to I add the picture? It is мини|320px in russian script but does not seem to be recognised in english language wikipedia. --MerielGJones (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC) MerielGJones (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MerielGJones and welcome to the Teahosue. If the image was stored locally on the Russian Wikipedia site, it will not be recognized on the en.Wikipedia site. It will have to be uploaded to this site, or better, to Wikimedia Commons. This will depend on the source of the original image, and the license under which it was uploaded. If it is under a free license, such as CC-BY-SA, a copy can be downloaded to your computer, adn then upol;oaded to commons. See Moving files to Commons, Help:Files#Uploadign files, and Uploading images for more information. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I had not realised that different langaue wikipedias had different rules about image use. The information with the file says: This file is not free (does not meet the definition of a free work of culture ). In accordance with the decision of the Wikimedia Foundation, it can be used on the Russian Wikipedia only if the criteria for fair use are met. Any other use (both in Russian Wikipedia and outside it) may be a violation of copyright. Justification for fair use for the article

Pobedimova, Evgenia Georgievna Purpose of use: Image of the main object of the article (paragraph 3 of the VP: KDI ) Replaceability: This is a non-free photograph of a deceased person. It is impossible to take a new photo, which in the absence of alternative photos with a free license can serve as a justification for the conscientious use of photography to illustrate an article about this person. I guess this means it cannot be used in an english language wikipedia? --MerielGJones (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hello,how we can reference the edits Sincerely Heyday to you Heyday to you (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Heyday to you, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Referencing for Beginners to learn how to supply source references for Wikipedia articles. Sources are very important here. See WP:CITE for more on why they are needed and wanted. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The Invisible Gorilla

Hi, I just joined the wikiprojectbooks and added the information in Talk:The Invisible Gorilla. This is to be added to the WP entry The invisible Gorilla After this I need some WP editor to do the redirect they told me. Thanks so much! DrDelaTorre (talk) 16:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

DrDelaTorre, I'm completely ignorant on this topic, but isn't what you posted at Talk:The Invisible Gorilla more about Invisible Gorilla test than that particular book? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi well yes but previous WP editors redirected me to this but maybe it was my mistake, I did not see that entry. I think you are right! the addition could go there. Can you tell me where is the talk page to add the suggested text?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDelaTorre (talk • contribs) 17:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

That would be Talk:Inattentional blindness, it's a section in that article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you I think I did it, I hope I did it right! please let me know, thank you very much

Talk page

Well now we have a teahouse host asking a question! I actually don't know the answer myself, so I want to ask my question:

I don't want to keep my talk pages archives (for my talkpage I'll just blank everything and let it be) because I am no longer active here anymore. Also There's no point for me to be archiving newsletters. It says not to tag as a U1 (user request) can I tag it as a g7 (author requests deletion)? The only time I will ever edit here is on the 16th of every month for wp:TWW and to undo vandalism occasionally. (and answering teahouse questions sometimes) ----Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 17:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thegooduser. I am sorry you plan to be less active, but you can always resume activity later if you so choose. We do not normally delete user talk pages under any CSD, (or by any other method) because the history of the talk page should be preserved. However you may, if you wish, blank the page or delete whatever sections you wish -- the history will still be there. Archiving a tyalk page is never required, although it is often a good idea. Existing archive pages (in your user space), as opposed to your main user talk page, can be tagged with a U1 or a G7, either should work. You can also post on your user poage, or talk page, or both, a notice abo9ut your limited activity level, which you can remove or alter if that changes later. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

DES, there are about 137 revdeled revisions on my userpage, Is it going to cause a problem that the history is not visible? The Edit summary's are visible though. I am planning to move on to simple english wikipedia, that's why I am not active here. If the archives are in user talk space, they can't be deleted? moving to userspace to delete ----Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 18:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I should have said user space or user talk space above, archive pages (not the main user talk page) in either should be fine for U1 deletions.

The history of your main user talk page would become much harder to access, should there be need, if that page were deleted rather than blanked, and the prsctice, and i think the policy, is against doing that. But no one will object to blanking plus archive deletion, I think. Does that help? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

DES If needed I can request a WP:refund to the page. gonna delete the archives now. thanks --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 18:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Reliable resource.

Hi, I have been trying to create a Wikipedia page, I have noticed that one of the citations comes from Vocal.media, I haven't heard of this medium before. Does Wikipedia consider it a reliable resource or not (I don't want to be bitten/have my page deleted because of one reference!)--HK2267 (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC) HK2267 (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

HK2267 , see this page --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 17:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello HK2267! Based on "Vocal is powered by creators of all kinds and their stories." this seems WP:USERG to me, so, not of much use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

How to plait your hair

 Pabza (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Pabza and welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps take a look at the article on Plaited hair and see if it contains the info you're looking for. In general, this is a forum for questions on contributing to Wikipedia. Hillelfrei ^talk 18:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Dr. William Longshaw

I went on my cousins wikipedia page, Dr. William Longshaw. I noticed some errors on this page. How do I go about changing his birthplace. He was born in Manchester, England not Manchester Virginia. I have tried twice to change his birthplace, but I'am told I can't do that. Can anyone tell me what I can do?

Thank you Longshaw (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, according to the source here [2] he was born in Manchester Virginia, where is your source that says he was born in Manchester, England? Theroadislong (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

And that William Longshaw Jr. died in 1865. It would seem there is no Wikipedia article about your cousin.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Longshaw: Since you already received an answer at Wikipedia:Help desk#Dr. William Longshaw, you shouldn't also post the same question here. GoingBatty (talk) 00:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I have made a new page but its a draf how to move it

 Courtesy link: Draft:Convenience store saet-byul

 Sushjs (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sushjs: I advise you to fix up on the formatting before submitting it for review, particularly with WP:HEADINGS and finding one or two more reliable sources. If you feel you're ready to make it a draft, add {{subst:AFC draft}} to the top, save it, then click Submit my page for review! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

trying to help another user but

Ran across a user's edit that seems like it should be easy, but nope. I've read WP:INTERWIKI and WP:MOSLINK and tried playing in my sandbox without success. The user's question is how to link to another wikipedia's article. In this case the Netherlands article for a "Beppe Costa (acteur)" located at Beppe_Costa_(acteur).

Anyone got any suggestions, or can it just not be done? ToeFungii (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

ToeFungii, nl:Beppe Costa (acteur) is how, but caution is advised as they are very rarely appropriate. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Interwiki_links advises using the {{Interlanguage link}} template. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

{{Ill}} will not work, because enwiki already has an article Beppe Costa but it's not about the same person as nl:Beppe Costa. --CiaPan (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thx. I put a note on the article spot so the wrong person won't be linked to and gave the info to the other user via their talk page. Up to them now. Thx for the fast help. Best of all I'm now a little smarter.ToeFungii (talk) 20:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@ToeFungii: The syntax is shown at Template:ill. Included in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Beppe Costa. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph, your syntax doesn't work but usedtobecool's does. I'm going to add back the part of the note to not link it to the english guy's name so somebody's doesn't switch it because someone is likely to do it even with it pointing to someone else. ToeFungii (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Try looking at it again. What usedtobecool suggested was the same as what I had used. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph, This is what usedtobecool had (nl:Beppe Costa (acteur)) and this is yours (Beppe Costa). He's actually goes to the nl page, and yours goes nowhere. His 2nd post above is what you put. Now whether or not which is right, I don't know. This is another place that I was given to read about how to do it [Help:Interlanguage_links#Inline_links Here]. I'm guessing it doesn't work because of what CiaPan said. Regardless, the note I put back I think makes sense ESPECIALLY if there's a redlink because somebody will change it sometime to the guy on the en WP and the note I put back only said to not link to the en guy. But not a page I otherwise care about and was only trying to help someone and I gave him the info on his talk page so I'm out as I can't do any changes without 3RR. Thanks to all. ToeFungii (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@ToeFungii: You are obviously having difficulty reading. If you look at the code of what usedtobecool suggested (in his message of 22:56 UTC), it is exactly what I included. The redlink which his code (& my identical code) gives is to Beppe Costa (actor). Did you try following the links, either from usedtobecool's reply above, or from what I put in the article? Please don't try to tell us how the ill template works when you obviously haven't read it. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph, when I use what you put it takes me to try and create a page. His from 2210 is what works. And thank you for telling me what and what not I have read. (Last reply because I feel attacked.) But thanks to all that help. ToeFungii (talk) 02:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again ToeFungii, sorry I missed the conversation. The redlink is by design. It signifies that there is no article in the English Wikipedia; that's why clicking it takes you to a page to create one. If you want to clarify for other editors, you can add an WP:Invisible comment noting that there is already an article for a person sharing the name but it's a different one, so the link should not be changed. By design, the Dutch Wikipedia article is linked in the small [nl] after the redlink. That's why I said it is considered mostly inappropriate to link the articles from other Wikipedias in the way that I gave in the first instance. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Public figure

How do I determine if someone is a Public Figure? The reason I am asking is, I found an article John Draper where someone removed allegations made against this person (Who is alive), according to Wikipedia policy if the person is not a public figure it should not be mentioned and if the person is a public figure the allegations should stay there and I should revert the edit that removed it. Csar00 (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Csar00 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you are putting the cart before the horse in that the sources for that information are at least questionable. If there is a case to be made for including the information, it should be made on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for the fast reply! The sources do seem to be reliable, and it was already reverted by another editor to re-add the allegations. If I am incorrect please let me know. But I think if he is not considered a Public Figure I should remove the allegations... Again thank you for the fast reply! Csar00 (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Having trouble figuring out how to edit tables.

I found an actively updated page on the EPA site that includes all superfunds, neatly sorted by state. I believe it to be obvious that state superfund lists on here should match the EPA superfund lists for accuracy. I'd like to fill in missing information, as well as add sections for the NPL status, and any SAA agreements. However, I can't make heads or tails on how the table formatting works. Darwulf (talk) 00:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Darwulf thank you in your interest to improve Wikipedia, Did you try doing a visual edit? in the top right corner after when you click edit source, you should see a pencil click it and then select visual edit. I hope that helps! :) Csar00 (talk) 00:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Csar00 Thanks that helps a ton!Darwulf (talk) 00:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Darwulf So glad I could be of help to you good luck editing!! :) Csar00 (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello again, Darwulf. Table syntax can be a bit complex, and those tables included a lot of data. Did you look at Help:Table and particularly Help:Table# Basic table markup summary? That includes most if not all of the markup needed to read those tables. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:16, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

William Saroyan article: Edits deemed not constructive - adding confirmed publishing information

I am the archivist at a family archive for William Saroyan. I added publishing dates for his books/stories, and also a song that he wrote. The institution I work at is not for profit, and I did try to add it as an external link, as it provides copious information about the writer for free and to the public. Why are these deemed unconstructive?

Article page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Saroyan ForeverSaroyan (talk) 00:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@ForeverSaroyan: Welcome to Wikipedia! I suggest you start by reading Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Then please review Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly acted in good faith to try to improve the William Saroyan article, and another editor reverted your edits. The next step is to discuss your suggested edits at the article talk page: Talk:William Saroyan. Please disclose any conflict of interest you may have, and provide any independent reliable sources you have that support your changes. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Search article by protection level

How do I search for articles based on their protection levels? 47.152.145.95 (talk) 01:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

You can see Special:ProtectedPages and customize your parameters, incl. edit/move protection, level of protection, namespace and size. Also note the redirects. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 03:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

New Albion information box

On the article, New Albion, there is an information box with a label I would like to change. The information box has Francis Drake listed as the founder. However, an editor made an excellent comment: it seems a bit odd to call it a "founding" if Drake didn't found anything (article states there was probably no settlement and no intent to leave one). Consequently, I have attempted to edit the information box so that it reads claimant instead of founded by. However, I am unable to do so. Might there be someone who can provide assistance with this matter? Kind regards to the Teahouse helpers.Hu Nhu (talk) 01:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 01:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: Looking at the parameters in Template:Infobox settlement, one way to do it would be |blank_name=Claimant and |blank_info=Sir Francis Drake. GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Question on how to make right sidebar boxes on user page

How do I make those right sidebar boxes on your user page? Like the ones about what languages you speak, what you are interested in, what wikipedia medals you have, etc. Sorry if I formatted this wrong, I'm new. Say something on my user page/user talk page if i did something wrong. Thanks. Josh Theta (talk) 02:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Josh Theta: Welcome to the Teahouse. Those are called userboxes; for more information you can read more about them here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I want to create a page for a startup that i am not affiliated with

I have lots of experience in the startup world and there are many of them that don't get featured online due to lack of PR, press, etc but they do lots of great things, i.e. helping other communities, some of them are social entrepreneurship based. In some cases these startups are getting wrong publicity due to competitors (as they are stirring the markets). So i want to make a page for a startup that I am not affiliated with but I am seeing them as very useful information for wikipedia readers. they are for profit but they help the community as well. what would be the steps for this to create the page ? i am not affiliated in any way with them but i feel they need more references online especially on wikipedia, because some other newspapers are writing unclaimed fake-news type articles about them and that's detrimental to a startup that is trying to help local communities. thank you! Thomasjsteph330 (talk) 03:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thomasjsteph330, hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. You can get started here: WP:YFA. Once you have a draft that you think is finished, you can submit it and it will be reviewed by experienced editors. If you want to tell us the name of the startup, we may be able to have a look to see if enough reliable sourcing exists for an article. Happy editing. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thomasjsteph330. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is no part of Wikipedia's purposes to tell the world about anything, no matter how laudable the thing may be: telling the world about things is called promotion in Wikipedia-land, and is forbidden. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects that the world has already taken note of - that's why we use the (admittedly problematic) word notable for the criterion, and I'm afraid that most startups are, by their very nature, not yet notable (see TOOSOON). You seem to be saying that there is a lack of existing reliable published sources about this startup: I'm afraid that that is more or less the definition of "not notable". --ColinFine (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

New Card Game (using standard deck of playing cards)

My friends and I invented a new card game using a standard deck of playing cards. It has all the elements of a great game: luck, strategy, memory, competition, and easy to learn. We have taught a few dozen people how to play and it seems to be spreading in our home states. I want to publish the instructions. Is this an appropriate article/topic for Wikipedia? Schaferjake (talk) 03:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Schaferjake: hello and welcome to the Teahouse. the short answer is no, as we do not usually publish articles on things that people have recently invented or come up with. Once there are a half-dozen newspaper articles about the game, then it will be time for an article. But it will preferably have to be written by someone independent of the game, per WP:COI. Hope this helps.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Another essay explaining this is Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Schaferjake, Wikipedia will not accept an article on you game until several reliable independent published sources (such as newspapers) have written about it. For a way of getting its rules published online, see https://www.pagat.com/invented/ . Maproom (talk) 07:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Not sure how to repair this dead link

In Karl Schroeder#External links, there's a "permanent dead link" titled "Adaptationism Fails to Resolve Fermi’s Paradox, Serbian Astronomical Journal, Vol. 170, pp. 89-100 (2005), by Milan Cirkovic with Ivana Dragicevic and Tanja Beric-Bjedov." However, by using archive.org, I found that the linked document still exists, just at a slightly different url. That is, http://www.aob.bg.ac.rs/~mcirkovic/cir-170.pdf becomes http://mcirkovic.aob.rs/cir-170.pdf

I tried looking at Wikipedia:Link rot but I'm not sure which section of guidance to follow here; can someone recommend which markup to use to repair this link? Metaclassical (talk) 03:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Metaclassical: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I found the article on a Harvard server and have linked it to that URL. Can't comment on whether it is a relevant item to have in the external links section, but it's fixed.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject

Please Give me a Task Force for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Carnival. It was made yesterday but does not have a Task Force—Yet
 Martian-2008 (talk) 06:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Martian-2008, Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! We're glad that you're here, and that you're interested in putting a new WikiProject together. You can read our guidance about Task forces here, and what they are. You don't have to take my advice, but I would actually recommend against a task force for the time being. New WikiProjects can easily get over extended, and task forces are usually better suited to when a WikiProject has an excess of contributors or too large a focus area. For example, I like to edit birds, and part of WP:BIRD, the Bird WikiProject. Despite a very large area of interest, we have only two task forces, Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Domestic pigeon task force (which isn't even active, because it has no members), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Poultry task force. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

a new covid page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Covid-19 Sounds Apps

I have contributed a page which is relevant to COVID-19: how long would it take for it to get approved? It says it is a draft. It would be good if it was out in good time... Cam-boffin (talk) 07:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cam-boffin: Whenever someone reviews it, they're not going to approve it.

New articles require notability, which is proven by citing, summarizing, and paraphrasing at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not dependent upon, affiliated with, or otherwise connected to the subject.

What's more, sourcing for any statement relating to medicine is especially strict. In this case, primary studies aren't good enough, you need meta-analysis, WHO statements, or something else along those lines.

For an article on apps that diagnose Covid-19 via sound, you'd need the sort of sources discussed at WP:MEDRS to demonstrate that this is a noteworthy concept and either add that information to the Covid-19 article or else create an article on that. From there, you could find a governmental or academic list of apps or statements about the sort of apps that have been approved to diagnose via sound, and then you could write an article on the idea of the apps in general. Alternatively, once you have established the medical veracity of diagnosis via sound, you could find academic or government sources about a specific app (maybe a journalistic source or two that is cites statements from trustworthy medical professionals). Ian.thomson (talk) 08:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, @Cam-boffin:. You’d incorrectly submitted the page (you should add “{{subst:submit}}” the way it is when editing in source editing mode), so I submitted it for you. I also looked through the article, and I feel that the article will need much more work in terms of formatting and besides, there is already a list of “COVID-19 apps”. So I believe that it’d be best to instead add this table (after improving the formatting) to the existing page. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 08:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Got feedback from the Materialscientist (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC) that my edit was not constructive

Hi , I am a mite disappointed as a lot of work was put into my edit , I know the band personally and their was no biography in the initial Wikipedia which I included for the group Beggars Opera. The info reference is my own book called Seekers Guide to the Rhythm of Yesteryear which achieved a 4 star Rolling Stone award. I say this only for a sense of credibility. Its disheartening that you can remove an edit and make a statement without being specific that it is not constructive , I personally feel if this this is the way things happen its not worth my effort to just be bludgeoned off without constructive feedback? Shilohnoone (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Shilohnoone! About using Seekers Guide to the Rhythm of Yesteryear as a source on WP, see Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer. And if the people involved aren't alive, see the rest of WP:SPS. Also, since you know the band personally, see WP:Conflict of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ranveer Allahabadia

Hello, I try to live up to Draft:Ranveer Allahbadia on Wikipedia. But I do not have much knowledge of English and context. Please allow a little time to edit the article. I request you to help me. Mr. Bikaneri (talk) 09:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Bikaneri. Writing a new article for Wikipedia is one of the most difficult tasks there is in contributing to Wikipedia, even for native English speakers: trying to write one when you do not have much knowledge of English is going to be very much harder, and you are likely to have a difficult and frustrating experience. Can I suggest that you write in the Wikipedia of a language you know better - perhaps Hindi, or another one listed here? --ColinFine (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Mr. Bikaneri Please stop what you are doing. From looking at your contributions, you are posting requests on many editors' Talk pages pleading with them to help you write articles on topics you want to write about. Same for multiple requests at Help desk. All you are doing is annoying people and wasting their time. Either learn how to create valid drafts yourself or stop trying to get these article ideas written. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I open a wikipedia page on behalf of someone else ?

 105.227.53.218 (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

If you are editing on someone else's behalf, you must read and comply with the conflict of interest policy. If you are compensated in any way(not just money) for doing so, you must also comply with the paid editing policy. You should also use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft(you would have to if you remain an IP user or use a new account). You should also read Your First Article.

Wikipedia does not have mere "pages", it has articles. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do here. You may wish to spend time first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. This increases your chances of succeeding at creating a new article. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

INFOBOX How to add "Genre" in Infobox Biography? Rachit.edunomics (talk) 11:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rachit.edunomics: Why are you trying to add a "genre" parameter to the infobox? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating content for an author, she has asked me to add her Genre which is "Crime-fiction" in the infobx. For example, JK Rowling's infobox has Genre "Fantasy,Drama...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachit.edunomics (talk • contribs) 12:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rachit.edunomics: Then you are using the wrong Infobox at Draft:Richa Lakhera. You currently use Template:Infobox Biography which redirects to Template:Infobox person, whereas that for J K Rowling uses Template:Infobox writer. It would be daft to add genre 'function' to a page for a journalist, and to do so you woul dneed to change template, anyway. If you are friends with the author, you should declare your connection for clarity by following guidance at WP:COI. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Missing article: Five Mile Swamp Fire

Feel free to move this if it is not in the correct place.

I was surprised to see that Wikipedia does not currently have an article, not even a draft article, about the Five Mile Swamp Fire currently burning in Florida. This is a major wildfire in an area that doesn't see them frequently, and has resulted in hundreds of evacuations and the closure of Interstate 10. I looked through the requested articles page and couldn't find an appropriate place to list it for creation. 166.216.159.64 (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles are only created if someone is willing and able to create them. Requested Articles is severely backlogged and any request there might never be acted on. If you feel an article is needed, the best thing to do(if you feel comfortable doing so) is to create it yourself, which you can do using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 166.216.159.64. Wikipedia articles are WP:NOTNEWS so often there can be a lag between when something happens and when someone tries to create an article about. Unlike a newspaper or TV report, etc., Wikipedia articles aren’t intended to first-hand accounts of some breaking news story, but rather are only intended to reflect what reliable sources are saying. You might want to try asking about this at WP:FLORIDA or WP:WILDFIRE. Perhaps you’ll find others who can assess this per WP:NEVENT and be willing to work with you in developing an article. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Twitter

Is Twitter a sister project of Wikipedia DINOCOBLUE (talk) 13:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

DINOCOBLUE Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Twitter and Wikipedia as projects are unrelated. Twitter is social media, while Wikipedia is an effort to write an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about editing

Hi! I just up dated information on the english wiki-page Teaterförbundet. There is a new chairman, the name is wrong in english and the number of members. Immedately a user changed it back. What should I do to verify that my changes are right?? Please let me know /Tantsaras Tantsaras (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tantsaras and welcome to the Teahouse. I gather this is about your recent edits to Swedish Union for Theatre, Artists and Media. First of all, is there a source that can be cited that gives the correct name in English? Next, can you provide proper metadata for the sources currently cited? Third (or perhaps first, please post to Talk:Swedish Union for Theatre, Artists and Media explaining what changes you are making and why? Please ping Mr.Sarcastic, the editor who reverted. Fourth if there is an English-language source which can be cited in addition it would help those of us who are not speakers of Swedish. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tantsaras. The editor who reverted your edit seems to be in the wrong here. You can re-change the information and leave an explanatory edit summary. But if the editor reverts your edits again after that, drop a message on their talk page as opposed to adding it again. Hillelfrei ^talk 15:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tantsaras:.Thank you for clearing that out. I'll revert my edit if its already not done. You could have said this in the edit summaries. It would have helped to avoid such a revert. Anyways. Thanks Mr.Sarcastic (talk)

unique identifier duplicate

Zora Neale Hurston contains isbn=0684842300 and quote=isbn:0684842300.. if not considered duplicate, is it appropriate to use isbn number as quote. Leela52452 (talk) 15:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: Just remove the |quote=isbn:0684842300. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

10 year old hoax?

Just found the Izana article through a unrelated page 3 article (though it does mention wikipedia in some other context). It was created by Hellspuppy (talk · contribs) whose only contribution is the creation of this article and a minor edit to another. It has one reference that doesn't even mention the word Izana. I can't find anything on Google about it. Seems like a hoax to me. Can someone investigate? TryKid (talk) 15:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

TryKid Looked into it a bit. The word is literally not mentioned online besides for websites quoting Wikipedia. It looks like a hoax to me. I'm not 100% sure though because it is an obscure topic so maybe that's why it's not mentioned. But in that case it probably fails WP:GNG. Any other opinions? Hillelfrei ^talk 15:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

It looks like the article was previously CSDed because it links from such an Index page, but I can't what the previous version contained. TryKid (talk) 15:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@TryKid and Hillelfrei: This search shows Izana-mi is part of a Japanese creation myth, the name of a concept car, a UK pharma company, etc. A newspaper archive search found a race horse by that name in the 90s. Variations in spelling yield a resort in Belize (Itz'ana), lots of hits for Itzayana and Itzanaya. Probably not a total hoax. Is there a relevant active WikiProject? Maybe an expert at WP:REFD? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@TryKid and Hillelfrei: Another possible variant from Mayan tradition is Itzamna. There is also a Spanish (Basque?) surname, Itzaina. Just to clarify, I'm not defending the article in its current state – it's not encyclopedic and the single source is obviously unsuitable. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

There are surely lots of other variations that relate to Inca civilization, but it's very likely that the original creator didn't have any of that in their mind and the creation is a total hoax. I'm going against AGF here, but the presence of a completely unrelated reference and other circumstances mean that this is the most likely scenario. TryKid (talk) 19:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

article approval

I have written an article for a class project and its been published, How long does wikipedia take to approve an article. MarvellousIgwe (talk) 15:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Walls, Murray B. Atkins has not been published (hence the word Draft). Your is a common new editor error because saving a draft requires clicking on the Publish changes box. It's Wikipedia's version of Save. David notMD (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MarvellousIgwe: I see your draft at Draft:Walls, Murray B. Atkins. There are 1,450 pending submissions awaiting review, so it can take 2 months or more to be reviewed. You have not yet submitted the draft for approval, and your draft is not ready to be submitted. The draft title should be moved to Draft:Murray Atkins Walls (not surname first). The inline citations should be at the end of sentences, not at the beginning. Her name should be bolded at the beginning of the draft, but all the other bold should be changed to wikilinks (e.g. Butler University) or plain text. Keep collecting independent reliable sources and improving the draft. When you're ready to submit it for approval, type {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft. There are a lot more suggestions at Help:Your first article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

A Submit-when-ready box has been added. Fix stuff first. Once submitted, could be as soon as days, as long as months, for a reviewer to get to it. David notMD (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, MarvellousIgwe. I have added a header to your draft, with a button so that you can submit it for review. Since Wikipedia is entirely volunteer-created, there is no guarantee how long it will take before somebody reviews it: it may be almost immediate, or it could take months. You can carry on improving it while it is waiting for review. A couple of formatting points: 1) we don't turn people's names round in articles, so you should name her "Murray B. Atkins Walls". (Don't worry about the title of the draft: when a reviewer accepts the draft, they will move it to the proper name.) 2) We rarely use bold type in articles; but many of the phrases you have bolded should be wililinks to other articles. 3) Well done with putting in in-line citations; but they should come at the end of the sentence or paragraph (after the punctuation), not at the start. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: You meant wikilinks, didn't you? --CiaPan (talk) 19:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Finland postal strikes controversy 2019

I want to get Finland postal strikes controversy 2019 reviewed and indexed. Please help me. Ppt2003 (talk) 15:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:NPP, there are 9695 total unreviewed pages. If it is not reviewed within 90 days, the NOINDEX tag will be removed at that time. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ppt2003: I added {{WikiProject Finland}} to the article talk page in the hopes that other interested editors will help you improve the Finland postal strike controversy 2019 article. You could try deorphaning the article by adding links from other articles to the one you created. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Please help me

Not an issue for Teahouse. Referred elsewhere

 – Talk:Canimals

Hi

I have been finding sources for the TV show Canimals, but I can not do it because I have gotten really lazy recently. Can anyone help me? Links if you do not want to go though the pain:

http://news.khan.co.kr/kh_news/khan_art_view.html?art_id=201107111339471

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/science/science_general/388623.html

https://www.ibabynews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=4437

http://www.newspim.com/news/view/20140224000261

And You will need yandex translate to add these because they are all in the Korean language.

https://translate.yandex.com/translate

I hope you follow these links and hopefully, you find info, useless you do not use yandex when in that case use google translate. 2600:1004:B05E:87D5:D1B4:48BB:607D:F27A (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Treehouse! The place to discuss additional references for the Canimals article is the corresponding talk page: Talk:Canimals. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 16:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

GoingBatty This forum is actually called the Teahouse, not the Treehouse. Treehouse would be a cool name though. Hillelfrei ^talk 18:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hillelfrei: Facepalm GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

help me building a page

please help me creating a page anyone Tejaskapoor22 (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Which specific parts of the advice which you have received on your user talk page do you not understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

What's wrong with this page?

Hey there, a friend and I were at an online conference recently and were curious about how to create a Wikipedia page so we put one together about a friend of ours who we thought was pretty notable.

I wanted to know if there were any mistakes we made as the article was marked for speedy deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_Awad
Draft:David Awad

Thanks for any help, happy to make any changes to learn from you all. Medit tech (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Medit tech: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems another user has removed the speedy delete template for you, though I suggest you declare a conflict of interest on your user page and the article's talk page to facilitate the process; editors who have a conflict of interest are not encouraged to edit articles directly unless there's a biography of a living person violation once it gets into articlespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

It's now a submitted draft. Looking at I, I expect a reviewer to decline it as not meeting Wikipedia's idea of notability Wikipedia:Notability. And yeah, declare COI on your User page because you know the person personally. David notMD (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Copy-editing?

What is copy-editing? Is it good or bad? 2601:647:4100:10E2:6DE7:3C19:7FCA:45 (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Copy editing is the process of proofreading a work and making sure it does not have spelling or grammatical errors and means what it says. The main point of copy editing is to tweak the article to be fit for whatever publication it is in; for example, on Wikipedia copyeditors ensure that articles are up to encyclopedic standards. There is a group on here called the Guild of Copy Editors that focuses on this aspect of writing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

{U|Tenryuu}}: while I agree with your answer, I think "means what it says" is unhelpful, since its meaning is obvious only if you know the printers/editors' jargon wikt:copy#Noun, meaning 3: "The text that is to be typeset.". --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Re-pinging Tenryuu. --ColinFine (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: That's why I used the word "work" instead. "Means what it says" does sound a little vague, so I'll amend that to say "ensure that the writing conveys the intended meaning". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

editing or adding new information to existing WIKIPEDIA entries

I think I added the information on "the cosmic gorilla effect" at Talk:Inattentional blindness, I hope I did it right! please let me know, thank you very much DrDelaTorre (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@DrDelaTorre: You have done your part. Interested editors will determine if it worth adding to the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

COI for investors

Hello,

I am wondering if being an investor in a company requires a COI disclosure. Simple example, suppose an editor has no links to the company whatsoever but holds shares in Apple, Inc., are they required to make a COI disclosure if they want to edit that page? And if so would this apply to editors who only have like one share, or only big holders who own a notable percentage? Thanks. Wikiman5676 (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC) Wikiman5676 (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, please see WP:PAY; ss an investor, you would have a conflict of interest.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Barbara Borin, Pioneer TV Sports Anchor

I have submitted a draft article with several properly noted citations/footnotes, with the title as noted in the Subject/Headline here. After hitting Publish button, I have received no message via email or otherwise, that I have done so correctly. What happens next? Rrlegros (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

If you mean Draft:Barbara Borin, Pioneer TV Sports Anchor, it is still here waiting for someone to review it. You were not supposed to get any notification by e-mail or other means. Ruslik_Zero 20:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rrlegros: There is no draft status template on the article; I have added it for you. Click on Submit your draft for review! when you are ready. However, I suggest you take a look at other articles to see how they are formatted, because I can virtually guarantee it will not pass review with the layout it has. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

"Requests for adminship" text

The text "2 requests for adminship are open for discussion" text appears at the top of my watchlist. Why?

TTL GS TTL GS (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, TTL GS. Appointment of admins is a public process, that anybody may participate in. So the organisers have decided to put a notice on everybody's watchlist telling them when there are candidates being considered, in case they wish to contribute to the discussion. You can hide it by picking "dismiss". --ColinFine (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Understood. TTL GS (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)TTL GS

help please

ProClasher97 did this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Information.svg Cattttas (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cattttas:Hello, I don't understand your question. please explain. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 20:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cattttas: ProClasher97 posted a message on your talk page to say that your edit was removed. I see that ProClasher97 kindly has posted a clarification since then. Note that {{ping}} is a nice template you can use when you want to alert another editor to a talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cattttas: Because we are here purely to build an encyclopaedia, experienced editors will often gently warn new editors if they stray and make inappropriate edits. So, this first edit of yours is not appropriate, nor is the posting of a business website link on your userpage. Please remove it immediately, as we regard this as PROMOTION, which is not accepted here. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Help Draft: dLocal

Hi, looking for help to edit this new entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DLocal I have only included independent sources but it still seems not enough, dLocal is one of my clients, so I am not neutral enough to finish the entry. Important to know, several Latin American Payment Solution Providers are missing, so is for example Ebanx, another payment service provider. There is no information on Google Books. There is on Forbes, but not on NYT, I have listed several references - all from third independent parties. I am happy to provide more background or information, and appreciate every help to finish this wikipedia entry. PaulanerPassau (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@PaulanerPassau:You might be looking for Wikipedia:Peer review. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 20:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Title of the article

I created a new article Draft:Raamish Siddiqui

I wish to know why the title of the article appears after the word 'Draft'? Is it an error from my end? or can it be edited.

Looking forward for your support.

Regards Buzzmedia20 (talk) 21:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Buzzmedia20: Welcome to the Teahouse! You created a draft, which then is reviewed to see if it is suitable to become an article. I added a template at the top of your draft, so you can click the [Submit your draft for review!] button when you're ready. However, the draft is not ready for submission. Be sure you read WP:BASIC for Wikipedia's notability requirements for people, and ensure you add more independent third-party reliable sources. Many of your references are written by the subject of the article. Many statements in the article do not have a reference, including everything in the "Early Life and Education" section. Wikipedia also has a manual of style for articles - I suggest you review MOS:SURNAME and MOS:ITALICS in particular. Good luck with your draft! GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Buzzmedia20: Your article is still in draft form. It has not been submitted. I would wait before submitting as there are several problematic areas, including an excessive amount of sources attributed to the subject. It is better to include references that are independent third party sources that discuss the subject, instead of things he has written. You want this to pass WP:GNG before you submit it. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Ask

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Help desk § Why?

Why, I can not edit wikipedia english? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wira sapta12 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wira sapta12: Question asked and answered at the help desk. Please don't ask the same question in two places - it makes more work for the volunteers. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

 – combined consecutive sections by the same editor. GoingBatty (talk) 22:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Help me, please

First of all, I entered the official English Wikipedia page. I created a wikipedia account, after I created an account why I can't create a new page. why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wira sapta12 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wira sapta12: please read the responses to your earlier posts before posting again. See the help desk. A stub about yourself is never going to be accepted. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Look over edited page

Hi, I am trying to improve my school's Wikipedia page. I just wanted to be sure that I did everything right and any suggestions moving forward Rivier_University. Thank you, everyone. Ghoyt98 (talk) 23:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ghoyt98: Independent reliable sources would be great. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Lack of references in an article

Hi, I am editing articles on the community portal listed for original research or referencing issues. This article on Canon Punch Park seems to be written entirely from original research. I tried looking for reliable sources online, but couldn't find any. What's the best way to deal with such articles? It is already tagged for lack of citations and essay-like writing style. Thanks. NawJee (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@NawJee: I tagged it for {{notability}} and marked it for attention by WP:WikiProject Gaelic games. If these don't work, the next step would be the WP:Articles for deletion process. GoingBatty (talk) 23:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Operation Identification Page

I am interested in the Operation Identification page. It's a very old strategy that has finally found its way to Wiki. I have made a number of edits and links to other pages. I see it has some problems, but I'd like feedback on what to do to get it out of Drafts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Operation_Identification Maize22 (talk) 00:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Maize22: Now that Rotideypoc41352 kindly submitted the draft for you, you can see the template at the top of your draft asking for your patience. I suggest adding more independent reliable sources to your draft. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 02:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Lacks sources

I made a page for a band here -> Draft:Rock of Jericho, but I keep getting declined of being published because of lack of sources. I need help please. OTHHercules (talk) 01:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@OTHHercules: Welcome to the Teahouse. There are no reliable sources supporting your content. These sources are essential to every Wikipedia article as it provides a place to verify the information. If you need help with referencing, please see WP:REFBEGIN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Archives

Simple question, how do user-talk pages get archived? Neararena (talk) 02:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Neararena: If you would like your user talk page to be archived automatically, see User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo. You can view the code at my talk page as an example if you like. GoingBatty (talk) 02:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Neararena (talk) 02:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sock votes on AFDs

Is it more standard practice to strike through, remove, or mark votes in an AFD discussion made by a blocked sock? The discussion in question is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hex Combat, and a user came along, added references to a fictional novel that has absolutely no relation to the subject of the article, and was then blocked as a sock. The user (User:CombustibleTaco) has also admitted to being a sock [3]. What's the best way to deal with this? Hog Farm (talk) 02:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hog Farm. AFDs are not really a WP:!VOTE per se; so, if you have concerns of WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT, you can add something like {{Not a ballot}} to the top of the page or templates like {{Csp}}, {{Single-purpose account}} or {{Canvassed}}, etc. to individual !votes if you feel its needed. Administrators closing AFDs, however, are generally quite familiar with the kinds of problems an AFD can attract and usually do take a closer look at things before assessing whether a consensus has been reached; they tend to ignore !votes not really based in policy or guidelines, or which seem to be made by questionable accounts. You can strike such !votes if you like and are 100% sure you're right per WP:EVADE, etc., but I wouldn't advise edit warring over such a thing if reverted. If things get too out of control, you can always seek help at WP:AN to ask an administrator to intervene.

In this particular case, I think you've handle things fairly well. You followed WP:BITE and asked for clarification. Sticking to discussing content and avoiding commenting on contributors will allow the reviewing admin to remained focused on the other editor's edits and help keep the drama that often occurs at AFDs to a minimum. The other account has been indefinitely blocked, which is something the reviewing admin will most likely see; so, that !vote is almost certainly going to be ignored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Hog Farm: yes, strike the comments out. More info:

Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments are: [...] Removing or striking through comments made by blocked sock puppets of users editing in violation of a block or ban. Comments made by a sock with no replies may simply be removed with an appropriate edit summary. If comments are part of an active discussion, they should be struck instead of removed, along with a short explanation following the stricken text or at the bottom of the thread. There is not typically a need to strike comments in discussions that have been closed or archived.
— WP:TPO

Hope that helped! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I publish my wikipedia page draft please

I made a wikipedia page for a notable music company called Songwriting Works. I can't find any options to publish my page. I also can't find any way to send the draft in for verification. I would really appreciate help figuring this out. Thank you. Sophialukin (talk) 02:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sophialukin, you can submit your draft by copying the text code below to the top of your draft, then press the ""publish" button, and, in the box that appears, press the blue button to Submit your draft for review!.
{{subst:submit|Sophialukin}}
--Quisqualis (talk) 03:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Sophialukin: I added the AFC draft template to the top of Draft:Songwriting Works for you, which has lots of helpful hints. I also see you are receiving help in the #wikipedia-en ^connect IRC channel, where helpful editors are explaining why you're not ready to submit the draft for approval. Be sure you disclose your paid contributions per WP:PAID and then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article about gathering independent reliable sources and rewrite the article based on what they say to demonstrate the notability of the organization. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Request

I want to publish my new draft lakhahi Raj as a wiki page Preetikasingh (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

And how the info generated box is made on wiki page Preetikasingh (talk) 03:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Preetikasingh: I see your draft at Draft:Lakhahi Raj. I added the AFC template to your draft, which has lots of helpful information on how to improve your draft before submitting it. I'm glad you're trying to use references, but the references need to be from independent reliable sources, not Wikipedia articles. All the information needs to be referenced, including the Genealogy section. See Help:Your first article for more helpful information.

There are many infoboxes on Wikipedia. For example, the Lakhahi article uses Template:Infobox settlement. GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Tell me how to add infobox settlement on draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 03:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Preetikasingh, Template:Infobox country is what you need. Lakhahi Raj is a former country.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Lakhahi is a former princely state and a estate in India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 03:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

See how it's done at Jammu and Kashmir (princely state).--Quisqualis (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Lakhahi currently has a Wikipedia article, is this not the same place? Shouldn't you just instead add more history to that article? ɱ (talk) 06:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I want to be Lakhahi Raj a new wiki page which will information about the Lakhahi before 1947 when it was ruler by Kings and queens — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 09:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Preetikasingh. While you may want to create a separate article about this subject, it may not be the best thing do from a Wikipedia standpoint, at least not at the current moment. It might actually be better for Wikipedia’s readers to expand the existing article about Lakhahi to include information about it prior to 1947. Then, perhaps at some later date, as more and more content is added about that particular period, the article could be WP:SPLIT into two articles.

My suggestion to you is to ask about this at WT:INDIA and see what the members of that WikiProject think about your draft. They might be able to help you bring in up to Wikipedia’s standards for articles or figure out a way to incorporate content from your draft into the existing article about Lakhali. If you try and the draft to the article namespace in its current state, there’s a good chance that someone will either nominate it for deletion, or they might redirect it to or merge it into the article about Lakhali. Trying asking for help and Wikipedia:WikiProject India and see what its members have to have. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merging section from below. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

lakhahi Raj

Kindly publish lakhahi Raj as a new wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 03:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Lakhahi Raj was Declined. You are welcome to respond to the reviewer's comments by improving the draft and resubmitting. Do not resubmit without improving the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Requirements for a Biography

I would like to know the requirements for putting up a biograpgy on Wikipedia. OmoOise (talk) 04:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@OmoOise: See Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography and Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 04:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi OmoOise. If you’re asking about whether you can create a WP:ARTICLE about another person, then please take a careful look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If, by chance, the person you want to create an article about is you yourself, then also please take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you after looking at those pages I listed above you have any questions, feel free to ask them here at the Teahouse.

Now if you want to create a user page and not an article, please take a look at Wikipedia:User pages. Pay particular attention to Wikipedia:User pages#What may I not have in my user pages? because that explains the most common problems or misunderstandings associated with user pages. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Kallista Victoria

Under "Kallista Victoria" I would like to add Sally Stokes, well known Sydney landscape artist www.sallystokes.com.au to this section. Sally Stokes lived and painted in Kallista in the 1980s.

Tony.scotland8 (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Tony.scotland8 (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Tony.scotland8: and welcome to the Teahouse! Anyone is able to edit any article, with that being said you can add that to the article AND include verifiable independent sources that states that fact. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 07:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tony.scotland8. I suggest that you take a look at Wikipedia:Namechecking and Wikipedia:Write the article first before adding Stokes’s name to the article. Sections in Wikipedia articles titled “Notable residents” basically mean Wikipedia notable residents and not simply well-known residents. The most basic criterion for inclusion in such sections is that the person in question already have a Wikipedia article written about them or be someone who could reasonably be expected to have an article written about them. Adding names to such list (even when supported by source) often leads to the name simply being removed, particularly when there’s no chance of a Wikipedia article ever being written about the person. Of course, things sometimes are on a case by case basis depending upon the actual article and whether specific criteria for inclusion have be established through article talk page consensus, but most cities, towns, etc. have quite a large number of residents that might be considered “notable” in some context and it’s impossible to list them all per WP:NOTDIRECTORY; so, Wikipedia articles generally only mention those who are notable from Wikipedia’s perspective. —- Marchjuly (talk) 09:38, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Interactive planning

 Attriu125 (talk) 06:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Attriu125, welcome to the Teahouse. What help or guidance do you need? I see you started an article on this topic in your sandbox (User:Attriu125/sandbox) which was rejected. It was too short, unreferenced and would - were it to be improved - potentially duplicate an existing article, entitled Interactive planning. If you feel you can usefully contribute to that page instead (by adding content based upon reliably published independent sources) then you may do so. Always avoid adding opinions of your own - which is not something we permit here. If you want to learn more about how Wikipedia operates, please try our interactive tour, called The Wikipedia Adventure. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Attriu125: and welcome to the Teahouse! What question(s) can we assist you with? Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 07:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

article submission was declined

Hello, Khaled basel! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! David.moreno72 06:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

 Khaled basel (talk) 06:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Khaled basel: Welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you are referring to User:Khaled basel/sandbox/human inside. Writing a new article is a hard thing to do. I suggest you first contribute to Wikipedia by improving existing articles and discussing suggestions on article talk pages. Once you have a better understanding of Wikipedia:Manual of Style, you can try reading Help:Your first article. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Noble title grant

Dear Sir, why did my Noble title grant was removed. Qdolci (talk) 07:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Qdolci Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told on your user talk page, you should not just post information about yourself; you need to show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources that you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Ideally, this is done with a valid article. You should not create one yourself, though, please review the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 08:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Can a reference work.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Qdolci (talk • contribs)

Please edit this section to make your comments. Typically, in order to be listed in a 'notable people' list, there must first be an article about you. It would be best if you simply let independent editors take note of you in reliable sources and choose to write about you. Please understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

"House of Homestead," from which you claim a hereditary title, is an unrecognized micronation in Andorra. Please stop trying to insert yourself into various articles or you will be blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Unblock

Sir please unblock me from editing. Xbotara (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know you're not blocked, don't worry. If you were blocked you wouldn't be able to edit on here but I checked just in case and no you weren't blocked, only a warning msg :) 120.20.99.174 (talk) 11:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Xbotara: You are not blocked, but edits you made were reverted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Do I have to give dates to notices?

Like ones such as More Citations Needed, or [who?]. Do these need dates or am I just adding unneeded variables? 120.20.99.174 (talk) 11:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

A bot usually dates them. The dates are useful for tracking, so that we can see things like how long an uncited statement has been there, allowing things like fixing the oldest problems first. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll add them if I can and if not I'll leave it for the bot to doo. 120.20.99.174 (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever added a date to any 'citation needed'-type template that I drop onto a page. Life's far too short to manually do things that a bot will drop by and sort out soon afterwards. The only downside of not adding a date yourself is that when you check your User Contributions you will not see your last edit marked in bold as current. So you trot back to the page in question, all full of righteous indignation, wondering who's been changing it, only to find it's just the bot sorting out your own laziness! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd go with something like "slightly tense curiosity", but yeah. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I use WinCompose so it's just a couple keystrokes to add the date to save another entry in the edit history that people have to wade through, reduce transaction load, etc. (Yes, I know it's minimal) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Missouri populations

COVID-19 pandemic in Missouri

Many of the population figures appear to be incorrect. This is giving incorrect statistics in the last column (cases per 100k of population). Clearly St Louis county cannot have almost 50% of population infected with virus (hopefully). But not only St Louis county. There are several I saw that are significantly erroneous. Please could the author/editor review. Thanks

Alert Ted (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Alert Ted (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Alert Ted Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles do not typically have a single editor, but multiple editors. The best place for you to express any concerns about the article's content is on its associated talk page, Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Missouri. I took the liberty of altering your article link; the entire web address is not necessary. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

need help, I'm new at this

I am trying to publish and article about Doug Wilson. I do know him, he saved my life and that's why I think it's important that his good deeds are acknowledged. I might have a conflict of interest, if so how do I declare it? Also what am I doing wrong on my posting,I have had some comments but I don't really understand them. thanks Thumper1001 (talk) 13:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Appears you tried back in 2014, that effort was declined, later deleted as abandoned, as you had stopped working on it. You have some new content in your Sandbox User talk:Thumper1001/sandbox. This can be moved to draft and then submitted, but I can tell you it will be declined because it has no references and is not in Wikipedia style. It is possible that Wilson does not meet Wikipedia's idea of being notable, and thus no effort on your part can successfully make an article. As for the conflict of interest, you need to state on your User page that you know Doug personally. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thumper1001. It's wonderful that Wilson saved your life, and that you want to acknowledge him publicly, but Wikipedia is never the right place for that sort of thing. (I can't find a statement of this point exactly, but it's similar in spirit to NOTMEMORIAL). Wikipedia's articles are for the benefit of Wikipedia and its readers; if you edit it for the benefit of anybody or anything else, you are probably going wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

What if the news media is just 100% wrong about a subject matter?

I'm not sure if I am in the right place but does the accuracy of Wikipedia matter? I am an environmental investigator and nine times out of ten, the media tends to print random and arbitrary things about toxic waste sites, oil spills, etc. This creates an echo chamber which causes more and more media outlets to pick up the same false information. A good example of this is the Porter Ranch natural gas spill. An activist went on TV and said that it was "the worst spill since Deep Water Horizon" but it wasn't. This statement was picked up by about 500 media outlets and now, in the history books, encyclopedias, this is what is printed, even though the original statement has no basis or sourcing. In the end, this false narrative is branded as fact. Fifty years later, it's history, even though it was never true. Does only sourcing matter and not facts, in these articles? Rightventracleleft (talk) 13:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Rightventracleleft, one of Wikipedia's core content policies is verifiability, which is distinct from our individual interpretations of the truth. Understandably you consider your opinion on the subject to be fact (who doesn't? 🙂), but if everyone were to begin writing Wikipedia articles based solely on what they knew, it would become quite an unmanageable mess.

Note also that Wikipedia is not here to right great wrongs that may have occurred in history. As an encyclopedia, we seek to simply summarize what is present in existing sources, even if we find it personally unfair.

Hope this helps, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 14:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Mathematically speaking, the Porter Ranch spill was measured in tens of thousands of pounds. Methane in the atmosphere is measured in the hundreds of millions of metric tons. The plume of methane over Four Corners region is one-hundred million metric tons. Those are not my opinions. Someone in authority made a statement they were being paid to say, it was sourced by hundreds of media outlets and now it's "fact." It would be nice if scientific fact would have more weight than a news reporter who was barely paying attention that day and scraping for content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 14:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Rightventracleleft You are speaking to larger issues that are beyond the control of Wikipedia. If you wish to assert that a specific source should not be considered to be a reliable source, you may visit the reliable sources noticeboard, but you can't do that with the news in general. If you have sources that offer what you consider to be accurate information for a subject, you are welcome to offer them. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I could post the personal e-mails from a media outlet's journalists, to me, that show a pattern of deceptive reporting, but is Wikipedia going to no longer allow the Washington Post as a source? Just making a point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Rightventracleleft, unpublished sources are explicitly disallowed per WP:V. Trying to use such emails would also generally be in violation of WP:NOR.

I'd encourage you to click on the blue links in this message and my previous one: they answer several of the questions that you have with regards to Wikipedia. Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Rightventracleleft Given the rules under which we operate, the solution in such cases is to find other reliable sources that discuss the problem with the statement. We/you can then write about the discrepancy in the article, and cite the source. Unfortunately, if nobody has bothered to debunk a bad story, we can't do anything, since we are (intentionally) a tertiary source that writes about what others have written. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

user:Rightventracleleft, it may be easier to understand if you think of Wikipedia as an aggregator service. Ultimately, we don't engage in any form of original research, and our only role is to summarise what's already been said in existing sources. (The usual example to illustrate this is that, had Wikipedia existed in Galileo's day, we'd have said unequivocally that the sun circled the earth, regardless of our own personal doubts.) Editing Wikipedia on current issues is surprisingly difficult and not something we generally recommend unless you're confident you can write in accordance with sources rather than with your personal beliefs even if you strongly disagree with the sources. It's usually easier to begin with writing about historic topics, where the consensus has settled and it's possible to work from published books and academic papers, rather than from (inherently unreliable and unstable) newspapers and websites. ‑ Iridescent 20:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How i can translate from other language

 Omar Suwaidan (talk) 13:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Omar Suwaidan: Welcome to the Teahouse! I hope the information at Wikipedia:Translation will answer your question. GoingBatty (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK and date of article creation

Hello Teahouse hosts. I believe, but I am not certain, that I have created the article Tracy R. Norris as of yesterday 9 May 2020. I am uncertain as the article is not complete with elements such as categories. And I am not certain if there are other processes it must go through to be fully accepted. As such, I hesitate to submit it for DYK--but I would like to. And this is a problem because I do not know when the requisite seven day restrictive window from article creation to DYK submission begins. Might you be able to help me with information regarding the matter? Kind regards to what has always been a responsive and helpful group, the Teahouse hosts.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Article exists (congrats), and yes, you have seven days to submit a DYK. The article can continue to be improved before and after you submit. The person who does the DYK review may identify shortcomings of the article, which can then be addressed. David notMD (talk) 15:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: Kudos to you for your work on this article. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Order of events, I wonder if the body of the article should be Education and experience (Civilian, Military), then Texas National Guard Adjutant General, and then Awards. I hope you can find additional independent reliable sources for the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you User:David notMD and User:GoingBatty. I arranged the article as I did because I read on Wikipedia that the most important information should come first. I understand the order of events, too, and believe that this edit would improve the article. Thank you very much for your prompt and detailed response.

Since then, I've altered Tracy R. Norris significantly to address suggestions you both presented. i appreciate your thoughts.Hu Nhu (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Akshay Kumar

Akshay Kumar is an actor,producer and tv presentor who works in hindi movies. Although he is holding canadian nationality but he is not canadian actor as he never worked in canadian movies.He is proudly working in bollywood and like to be considered as indian. Aligulla (talk) 15:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The article already states (Personal life) that he has applied for Indian citizenship and intends to give up his Canadian citizenship. When that process is completed the Lead can be changed to no longer mention his Canadian citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 15:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone's using my WM Commons photo without credit. What do I do?

Hi. My photo File:Bangladesh international school dammam school image.jpg is being used on Instagram without the credit it requires. It's a creative commons attribution 4 license. What action can I take? MRC2RULES (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@MRC2RULES: I am not a lawyer. This isn't really a Wiki issue, but there isn't much you can do other than contact the account owner and ask for credit, if they don't give it, file a DMCA claim with Instagram (read more here) Ed6767 (talk) 16:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ed6767: can I file one even though it's not copyrighted?

MRC2RULES (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

MRC2RULES, if you took the picture, then under Saudi law you, by default, hold copyright over it for 25 years according to Wikipedia Commons. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 18:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@M Imtiaz: Is it still copyright even though it's a CC4A license? I mean that I didn't post it as copyrighted? So does it automatically become one?

MRC2RULES (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, in almost all most cases, the act of publishing a photograph creates a copyright on that photo. A Creative Commons license does not make the copyright "go away", it just allows use of the photo under clearly defined conditions. The copyright remains, unless you specifically disavow the copyright in writing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How i can make style mannual

 2405:204:A100:560D:0:0:17DD:78AD (talk) 16:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)help me out with manual style

Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia already has a style manual at Wikipedia:Manual of Style. If you could please provide more details about your question, we could provide additional information. GoingBatty (talk) 17:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a "Death of Giorgiana Masi" article

Hi! I have drafted a "Death of Giorgiana Masi" article in my sandbox about a significant event occurred in the Italian Years of Lead. Should I submit it for review or wait until tomorrow and become an autoconfirmed user, so I can create it myself? I looked around for some related Wikiprojects, but the only ones I found appear to be rather inactive. Thanks for your help! Chandragù (talk) 16:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Chandragù, I've had a look through the draft and moved it to mainspace. The sourcing appears to be alright, and it seems to be quite notable. It's quite a good first article; Well done. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 18:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Alex Noble: Thank you very much! I hope the years spent reading Wikipedia articles paid off! I'll try to keep being of service. Chandragù (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Article title spelling

Hello, I was making some changes to the Naqab Zan article and noticed that while "Naqab Zan" is the transcription used by the sources cited, the channel that aired the show spells it "Naqab Zun", since there isn't really one standard for romanisation of Urdu. In this case, should I use the spelling present in secondary sources, or the channel's own per WP:ABOUTSELF? Thanks, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

[NB: Query duplicated on Help Desk, where responses have been made. Please add any further answers there.] {The poster formerly knwn as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.24.23 (talk) 01:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Picture

Question: Can I Please Add This Picture [[4]] To This Page, Storytime with Thomas ThomasAndFriendsDays! (talk) 18:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@ThomasAndFriendsDays!: Have you consulted WP:UPIMAGE? If it's from Fandom the licence should allow for uploading here. Also make sure that you properly attribute where you got it correctly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

So, That Is A Yes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasAndFriendsDays! (talk • contribs) 18:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@ThomasAndFriendDays!: As long as you provide the proper attribution, yes. This page gives examples on good attribution. You also never uploaded the image to Wikipedia, which is why the link got deleted in the first place. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I flag/seek deletion of inappropriate content?

There is a page now called White Ethnic[5] which discusses a very poorly and conflictingly defined concept. The premise is that anyone who immigrated to the USA from outside of Britain and is not part of the Anglican Church is a “white ethnic.” The supposed history is the oppression and abuse of the white ethnic people, who are suggested to have a singular culture despite differing religions, nationalities, spoken languages, etc. They are also meant to be distinct by their socioeconomic class amongst the working classes, being oppressed then by the “ruling class” of wealthy Britons.

However, they do not once mention the Anglican Church in this article, as I assume the authors don’t know what they’re saying very well. They also list politicians from upper middle class backgrounds in their “white ethnic” group for the article. These were certainly not working class men. You can see the bungled attempt to make sense of their nonsense in the article with their chosen sources for yourselves...

Unfortunately, in addition to being wholly not encyclopedic, misusing many terms (which I have tried to address repeatedly) and lacking in any consistency or logical basis, this is actually an invented concept tied to the white supremacy movement. I think it should be taken down for those many reasons.

What is the process for that to happen? Kitkat9311 (talk) 18:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

References

@Kitkat9311: Welcome to the Teahouse! I can see that posted several times today on Talk:White ethnic. Note that it may take a while for another volunteer editor to reply. The criteria to "take down" an article is documented at Wikipedia:Deletion policy, while the process is detailed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kitkat9311. In order to have the article deleted, you would have to make a convincing case that the topic "White ethnic" is not notable. However, when I checked Google Books and Google Scholar, it became clear quite quickly that the topic has been written about extensively in the academic literature and entire books have been devoted to the topic. Accordingly, the appropriate solution is to work to improve the article instead of trying to delete it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Misattributed Contributions

Not a new editor, but clueless as to where else to address this issue. I was looking at my list of Contributions and noted several supposedly made to Complications of Diabetes. I have made no contributions to that article, nor have I ever even seen it until I went and looked at it to try and figure out how or what I was credited for.

This is the list of contributions shown:

• 08:19, 30 April 2020 diff hist -23‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia current
• 08:18, 30 April 2020 diff hist -26‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
• 08:16, 30 April 2020 diff hist +2‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
• 08:14, 30 April 2020 diff hist -47‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
• 08:12, 30 April 2020 diff hist +163‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia: CiteIrish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
• 07:55, 30 April 2020 diff hist +33‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Immune compromise: Correct citeIrish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
• 07:47, 30 April 2020 diff hist +2‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
• 07:45, 30 April 2020 diff hist -6‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia: Correct citationIrish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
• 07:34, 30 April 2020 diff hist +265‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia: add Cryer syndrome and ref Irish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The comment, 'add Cryer syndrome' on the earliest of these, I can identify as belonging to action I took on List of eponymously named diseases, which I sporadically edit. The next entry on my list of contributions after the 8:19 contribution was, in fact, made to the referenced list article and I suspect that I probably made entries to that article at all the intervening time points attributed to the diabetic article as I spent considerable time that evening on the list. Having never encountered this before, here I am. Solution, please? Irish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Irish Melkite: Maybe try the Help Desk? Ed6767 (talk) 19:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

thanks, will try that Irish Melkite (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help with editing Draft: Arnold S. Monto at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arnold_S._Monto

I am a first time editor to Wikipedia. It was suggested that I move the bio creation I'm working on from my sandbox to a draft page. In doing some editing and adding citations to Draft: Arnold S. Monto, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arnold_S._Monto, I'm afraid I've made things worse, not better. My citations are a jumble and I've no idea how it got to this or how to fix them. Can anybody help me to:

1. Explain difference of footnotes and citations
2. Since "works" and citations/references should be the same thing, how do I combine these into just one section. What should this section be titled?
3. Need to correct numbering and syncing of citations, but can't figure out how without re-entering all the data again. Is there an easier way.
4. Finally, is there any way I could get more one-on-one help? Should I be eliminating some of the info to make it easier with citations?
5. Have I solved the notability issue with the additional citations? He is a very important figure in study of coronavirus and should be on wiki.

Thank you for any help you can provide. Terrimellow (talk) 18:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Terrimellow (talk) 18:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Terrimellow: Welcome to the Teahouse. To answer some of your questions:

1. Citations are mostly done as footnotes (the list is found in the references section). There are some articles that use inline citations but they are rarely seen on here as footnotes are most accepted.
2. If you are citing information from sources that you have listed in works, please convert those into citations like the ones in references. You may use templates like {{cite book}} for your needs. If they provide more information on the subject but are not used to give information in the article, consider changing the section heading to "Further reading".
3. I'm not sure what you mean by re-numbering and syncing citations. The software already does it for you depending on how early the reference was used in the article. I see that you have two orphaned citations up at the very top of the article that aren't citing anything; they should be moved to where they cite the information you give.
4. I will leave this for someone else to answer.
5. I notice that in the citations you have referenced Monto to be the author of many of the sources, which is not correct. Please provide the name of the authors of the sources, which are usually written in the byline. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Terrimellow: There are lots of recommendations in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Note that works and References are NOT the same thing. Per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, references should include "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other". GoingBatty (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

A lot of your references are useless and should be deleted. For example, current #10 and #11 are newspaper articles about specific diseases, in which Monto gets a one-line mention. Only cite published information which is about him. Basically, delete all the weak refs, all the content resting on those weak refs, and see if what you have left can be an article. David notMD (talk) 19:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Reuben H. Markham

Thank you for reviewing my article. I will try to make the requested changes. Among other issues, I need to redo the references. Do I delete the existing reference first? Then insert a new one? My first reference is to an obituary in the New York Times dated December 31, 1949. When I go to Cite a newspaper article, a box pops up with a number of fields. I am not sure how to fill them out. Would it be like this? Last name: Markham First name: Reuben Title: Mr. URL: (leave blank?) Access date: May 9, 2020 Work: ? Agency: New York Times Issue: ? Publisher: ? Date: December 31, 1949 Reference: ? Reference name: Reference Group: ?

Thank you for your help. I am sorry I am not sure whether I am working in mobile view or Visual Editor. Ankara59 (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ankara59. When you cite a newspaper article, the last name and first name fields are for the author of the article, not the subject of the article. The title field is for the title of the article. The URL field is for a link to the article in the New York Times database. The date is the original publication date. New York Times is the newspaper name, not an agency. Reference name is an advanced feature for when you want to cite the same reference several times in the same article. Group is also an advanced feature. There is no need to mention the publisher of a very famous newspaper. The essential information when citing a newspaper article consists of author (if known), article title, date of publication and name of newspaper. URLs are useful but not mandatory. Access date only applies if you provide a URL, and it should be the date you read the source online. It is OK to leave fields blank if they do not apply or you do not understand them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Ankara59 - I reviewed and declined Draft:Reuben H. Markham. I did not decline it because of problems with the references, and not really because of concerns about biographical notability. I declined it because, as it is formatted, which is all run together, it is almost impossible to read, and it needs to be organized into sections with section headings. Because it is nearly impossible to read, I did not evaluate the subject in depth as to notability, but I did come to the initial conclusion that the subject probably is notable and probably should have an article. At this point, improving the references would be appreciated, but is less important than improving the layout. Please improve the layout and resubmit the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

William Longshaw Jr

I have two uploads that I have of my cousin's birth. His name is Dr. William Longshaw. He was born in Russell Street, Manchester, Lancashire England on April 1836 and emigrated to the United States of America with his parents (William and Margaret from the Port of Liverpool, Lancashire England to New work arriving March 31, 1842 on board the ship 'Siberia) see Census England, Passenger List Arrival at New York March 31 1842, 1850 and 1860. U.S. Federal Census and U.S. State Census for Lowell,Massachusetts. I have photocopies of the census from Manchester, England 1841. William senior was 30 years old, Margaret 25 years old. William was 5 year old.

How can I upload the census for Manchester England? Longshaw (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Longshaw. Is "my cousin" really correct for a person who died in 1865? That sounds like a stretch. Unpublished primary sources are not acceptable on Wikipedia, but it is certainly possible that an old source made a mistake about his birthplace. The proper place for you to raise your concerns is Talk:William Longshaw Jr. where discussion is taking place now. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:08, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Article declined for lack of notability

Hello, my draft on Draft:Scantrust was declined for lack of notability. However, based on my understanding on the assessment of notability for corporations described in ps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies), there is a number of sources in the article which I believe contribute to establishing notability.

I have included at least 5 different articles which are exclusively about Scantrust, and were published in the most read newspapers in Switzerland (e.g. 20 Minuten, Le Temps, 24 Heures, L'Impartial/L'express, HandelsZeitung). A list of the top newspapers in Switzerland can be found here: https://www.4imn.com/ch/

Some of these sources are in French and some are in German, as Scantrust is a corporation based in Switzerland. Can these sources count towards notability? If they do not count, I would like to understand the reasons. And if they do count, then can the notability of the article be re-assessed by other reviewers?

Let me note that I have a COI which I properly declared, although I do not believe this should affect the assessment of notability. Many thanks for your help! Factfox (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources in German, French, etc., can contribute to establishing notability (though English-language sources are preferred here in en:WP, if available). Sources with only a mention of the subject cannot, nor can sources based on press releases from the subject. Which four of the sources cited in Draft:Scantrust do you think do most to establish notability? Maproom (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. I would say these sources, which are exclusively about Scantrust

20 Minuten (most read newspaper in Switzerland): "Schweizer Start-up sagt Fälschern den Kampf an". www.20min.ch (in German). 2015-12-29.

Le Temps (5th most read, and most read in the French part of Switzerland): "ScanTrust lève ses premiers fonds externes". Le Temps (in French). 2015-05-04.

24 Heures (7th most read): "QR Codes Swiss made pour lutter contre le piratage des produits". Corset, Jean-Marc (2016-05-09). 24 Heures.

L'Express - L'Impartial (21th most read) "ScanTrust détecte le vrai du faux grâce à un code-barres". Christen, Lucien (2014-10-14). L'Express - L'Impartial.

Factfox (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have included this one from Handelszeitung instead (12th most read): "ScanTrust: Die Fälschungsfinder" . Handelszeitung (in German). Retrieved 2020-05-04. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factfox (talk • contribs) 22:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Factfox. The only one of those five which is not transparently based on an interview is the Handelszeitung (and I'm pretty sure that that one is also based on an interview or press release). Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject says about themselves: it is only interested in what people with no connection to the subject have chosen to publish about the subject. None of those, except possibly the Handelszeitung piece, do anything to establish notability - and there isn't very much meat in that piece. I'm also a bit concerned about where those PDFs come from: I see that they are directly from Archive.org, but you ought to put that URL in the archive-url parameter, and the original URL in the url parameter (even if it's dead) so that it is clear where these documents come from. Were they originally from the respective newspapers' websites? I wasn't aware that any newspapers published their own articles as PDFs, so I'm concerned that these might be copyright-violating scans. (It is not essential to provide a link to a source, though obviously it is more convenient to do so; but we do not link to copyright violations). --ColinFine (talk) 00:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Tables

I know the basics of making a sortable table, but I'd like to have the first column as numbers which do not get sorted, so that no matter what is added where, the total number of rows/items is known. How do I keep the first column from being sortable? Valjean (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Valjean, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean you want the first column as numbers which do not get sorted? That is unfortunately not possible unless the column is a separate table, and then it only aligns correctly with the rest if every row there is a single line high. This may fail in narrow windows even if it looks right for you. See more at Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

That was a typo. I'll check out the help. Thanks. -- Valjean (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

New learner-contributor who needs a patient mentor

Hi, I am new on this platform just started yesterday. I need to be an active contributor, hence I took an effort to learn.

I have a Masters degree, so I believe I can do research and write quality articles for professional use. My biggest challenge is in the end-to-end process of getting an article finally published.

I need someone who is patient to guide me through.

Ike Ike (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Nextinvention - Please do not post your email address in Wikipedia. If you have saved your email address in your profile, editors will be able to send email to you. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nextinvention. Start by reading and studying Your first article, and read the most relevant links in that essay as well. You can ask more specific questions here at the Teahouse. If you want a one-on-one discussion with an editor who has written over 100 Wikipedia articles, my talk page is open to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

With all due respect, Ike, would you please tell us why you "need to be an active contributor"? What will happen if you cannot actively contribute to Wikipedia? --Quisqualis (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Education assignment template?

I have been under the impression that student editors enrolled in a class are to put a template on one of their pages, as well as on the Talk pages of articles to be edited by a class. I would have also thought that instructors would put a template on their own page, so we know who and what institution are involved. If this type of editing is going on somewhat informally, does such a practice conform to WP standards?--Quisqualis (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

SARS

What happened to SARS?

I remember when SARS was breaking and all the reports by scientists and doctors were referring to SARS as Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome! But here it's referred to as SEVERE ACUTE RESPIRATORY SYNDROME! Do you realize severe and acute are redundant terms? I think someone has a lot of editing to do! 72.224.145.240 (talk) 01:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)