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Weird box

Dumb question. In the article Alden Richards, there's this weird extra box on the bottom row on the Television part under Filmography that I've been trying to remove but unsuccessful. What could be causing that? I tried to remove the extra pipe but it's removing the entire row other than the Title. It looks good though when I preview the changes. - SUBWAY 00:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Subwaymuncher, and welcome to the Teahouse. That's a bit of a puzzler. In looking at the table, I believe the issue is being caused by the fact that the last element in the table is defined as a header. I'm only guessing here, but I have a feeling that the wikimarkup interpreter assumes that there will be at least one data element following the header; without it, it has trouble formatting the table properly. Changing the last header element to a data element seems to fix the problem. If anyone else has any ideas, please feel free to add to this answer. CThomas³ (talk) 04:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Subwaymuncher: It's an issue in the JavaScript for sortable tables where the last row has a header cell. I added a non-displayed row without a header cell.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

How To Change My User Name??

Hey I want to change my user name so, How can i send request to change my use name??

My Current user name is User:Nithiin1983 this is my real name so i want change the user name.. so please suggest me how can i change it??

Nithiin1983 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC) Nithiin1983 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Nithiin1983 You may make a request at either Special:GlobalRenameRequest(if you have an email address attached to your account) or WP:CHUS (if you don't). 331dot (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983: Because you have such a small number of edits over such a short time, it might be best if you simply abandon the account (don't use it any more) and just create a new account with your desired username. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983:, Following up on AlanM1's good advice: if you'd prefer that your old account (this one) not be associated with even these few contributions, you could blank your user page and then request for it to be deleted: add {{Db-u1}} to the top of your user page, and an admin will come around and delete it for you. Then, you can WP:VANISH your account. Now you're free to create a new account, with nothing to connect anyone to your old one. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, But i dont want to create new account i will use this only, so i hope this account will be eligible in future for changing my user name at that day i will send request to change my user name.Darknet King 12:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983: Please keep in mind that it can be confusing to others if your signature does not reflect your actual username. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Article Creation And Edition

How Can I Create My Own Article ? How Can I Edit An Article Nasty C ? Yancho Yinch (talk) 19:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Yancho Yinch: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! The page you want to edit is currently semi-protected, meaning that only autoconfirmed users can only edit it. Your account will become autoconfirmed after you have made 10 edits and your account turns 4 days old. As for creating an article, you can use the article wizard and follow the instructions there. SuperGoose007 ^(Honk!) 20:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@SuperGoose007:

Hello, My account is autoconfirmed, because It have been here about 7 days old And It has more than 10 edits. By the way Thanks for your answer for an article creation question.THANKYOU!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yancho Yinch (talk • contribs) 10:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Lovely jubilee

On the pages Del Boy, Rodney Trotter and Grandad it has the same picture of all three characters is it possible to it be just who the page is about Fanoflionking 20:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Fanoflionking, thanks for your input. You may want to post on the talk page of the relevant articles with this photo. You could also attempt to do it yourself, but working with non-free images is sometimes a challenge even for many experienced editors. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I have posted in all the talk pages as well as the main Only Fools page hopefully I will get a response Fanoflionking 08:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Issue with toxic behaviour

Hi, I'm new here; please forgive me if I'm posting this in the wrong place. I registered with wikipedia today and made a lengthy edit to an article on which I have some scholarly training. It was rolled back because a contributor to the page said that I should ask her permission first before editing. Since then there's been a back and forth where her behaviour has felt really rather toxic. Is there anyway I can get a senior editor to have a look over my talk page and the talk page of List of occultists to check whether this is normal for wikipedia? I have an ability to contribute in my field but I'm feeling rather bummed out by the whole experience today TBH. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bohemian Alchemist: hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We do really not have such a thing as "senior editors", but I had a look at the edit in question, on List_of_occultists where you removed almost 20KB of material. I see it is being discussed on the talk page of the article, and also on your talk page. A couple of very experienced and respected editors have also been talking to you there. I can understand that you might be disappointed that your work was reverted, but the general policy here is that such large changes to an article (20KB is an enormous change) need to be discussed first on the article's talk page, just as you and Celestina007 are doing. It is always a good idea to work through things there, as we all work on consensus. The talk page is the place to develop that. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP Thank you for taking the time to write back. The amount of material I removed is more an indictment of the condition of that page than my editing. There seem to be some decent people at Wikipedia but there's a lot of low level ownership, poor English standards and sloppiness going on too IMO. Don't think it's for me. Thank you again though for taking the time to check things over Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bohemian Alchemyst: I hope you hang around a bit and give it a chance. We have many, many rules on article composition, which was one of the problems with your first edit. Wikipedia is a bit of a (volunteer) workplace, and it takes some time to learn the policies. And remember, there are about six million other articles to edit besides the one above! The usual advice for new editors is to start small while they learn the ropes. Hope that helps. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP, Don’t bother with that editor tbh. They have their own unique interpretation of what occultism is all about & want to see that implemented in that article I have told them that, that is OR & POV pushing which isn’t permitted here but rather they claim they have a background in occultism & know better & they have continued to exhibit signs of WP:NOTHERE & WP:IDHT. They accused me of sock puppetry here thinking myself & Aciram are one & the same. That sort of aspersion is an attack to everything I stand for & honestly if they continue to cast such aspersions I’d have to take them to the AN/I where they’d either bring their evidence of this or get blocked. New editors showing this sort of behavior is not what we need. Furthermore @Bohemian Alchemyst just lied through his teeth, could you please show us a diff where I asked you to seek permission from me before editing? They were even asked by a different editor to discuss such overhauling in the article TP, but what did they do? They deleted the message from their talk page. So like I said earlier please dont bother yourself with that editor, that sort of negative energy isn’t what we want in new editors. Celestina007 03:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Not going to lie Celestina007, it's a bit weird and sad that you've stalked me here. That you're telling other editors not to bother looking into whether you've been abusive towards me really does speak for itself. I invite anyone who cares about making this a friendly place to check over your interaction with me for which, as you would say, a "senior editor" has already reprimanded you. I won't be responding to you any further, not because you don't show good faith, even though you don't, not because English isn't your first language and you misunderstand things, although you do, but because you don't actually read the responses that I take the time to write. You accuse me here of lying and asking "could you please show us a diff where I asked you to seek permission from me before editing?". Yesterday you wrote this on my wall: "What the new editor should have done & like you have rightfully said was to either discuss it with me or take it to the talk page of the article". Why would I discuss my first edit with you? You don't own that really poor quality page but you have hindered it from becoming a properly sourced, academic quality article but not before exposing yourself as authoritarian and a liar. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Bohemian Alchemyst: if you make such extensive changes to an article, without discussing them first, you're going to meet overwhelming resistance. No surprise there. (My own, irrelevant, opinion is that it's wrong to label alchemists as occultists. They were chemists, working with an understanding of chemical processes that's very different from what we have now. List of occultists does not specify in its lead what it means by "occult", so it should use the word in its 19th-century sense, not 16th-century.) Maproom (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

". . . it's wrong to label alchemists as occultists. They were chemists, working with an understanding of chemical processes . . . ." Maproom, this is part of a common misconception that leads to a lot of cross-purpose misunderstandings. Many alchemists were indeed exactly what you describe. However, some were actually occultists pursuing spiritual (or psychological) self-development, who used the language and terminology of "mundane" alchemists as a coded or "green" language to communicate about their practices and mental experimentation, in part to avoid accusations of heresy.

When the writings of these latter are read as if they referred to real (or claimed) physical processes, they inevitably appear to be nonsensical to someone with an understanding only of chemical processes and ordinary alchemical terminology. Telling the difference is of course not easy, since disguise was rather the point.

As to whether the occultists' ideas were/are bunkum or not, I will take no position, but books such as the memoirs of Mark Hedsel entitled The Zelator (Samuel Weiser, 2000) at least indicate the depth and diversity of this school of thought. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.132.105 (talk) 08:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom: The size of the changes I made reflects the poor quality of that article. It contained, and does again given that my edits were rolled back, information that is potentially libellous. That is how poor it is. If there was an etiquette issue in making a large edit then I'd ask that to be put down to my being a new editor but I've also been advised by another experienced editor to Be Bold and, regardless, the behaviour of one editor looking for a flame war has been, frankly, outrageous. Apropos alchemy, I have a lot of sympathy with your take and agree that the problems in List of occultists is because the term is ill-defined. I wrote an intro in my big edit yesterday that used an academic definition of what constitutes "occultism" also saying that it's problematic before the 19th century but this is what set off my dear editor friend with POV accusations. Meanwhile, Merlin is listed there alongside known historical figures and, apparently, Plato was an occultist... Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bohemian Alchymist. If you haven't already seen it, can I point you to the essay on expert editors?? Expert editors are valuable to Wikipedia, but their role is not the same as what they often expect. --ColinFine (talk) 11:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. Heyup! Another Yorkie here. I wish I'd read that essay yesterday before registering; another Wikipedian essentially summarised the points to me and, I have to say, it does make me wonder whether this is the right place for me. Perhaps I've just had an experience that I wasn't expecting but I would have guessed that there would have been closer alignment with academic-type scholarship. I'll mull it over but I think I'd be happier directing the time into other areas. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Bohemian Alchymist:, yes, the article is poor. IMHO, that is largely because it doesn't start by making it clear what it's about (that's quite a common problem with poor articles). If it were my job to clear up the mess (and I thank God that it isn't), I would start by starting a discussion on its talk page on what it's meant to be about, on who should be considered an occultist. If a coherent consensus were ever achieved, I would help to rewrite the lead in accordance with that consensus, and then add and remove people from the list.

You took a different approach. You were bold. You rewrote the lead section that states what the article aims to be about, and made extensive changes to the people listed, in accordance with the new lead. You were reverted. You now need to discuss your proposed changes (preferably starting with the lead) on the talk page. I see that you are doing so, and I wish you success. Maproom (talk) 11:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

uploaded photo

Hi I have mistakenly uploaded this image to the internet outside of wiki, can this be reversed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Martin._%27Wigandia%27..jpg#file Kwaizzz (talk) 03:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kwaizzz: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The file you linked to above is in Wikipedia's "file namespace". You can use it in your article on William Martin, although uploading to Wikimedia Commons is desired as it can then be used in Wikipedia articles in different languages. Did you want to delete the above file for some reason?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your input. I uploaded the file for possible use thinking it would be at my disposal to use and not as it is now, freely available. I am very new to the wiki process and easily confused at this point in time!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwaizzz (talk • contribs)

@Kwaizzz: because of the way it is licensed on that page, anyone can use it, including you, if you want to use it in a wiki article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

If possible I would like the photo deleted.Thanks again. Kwaizzz (talk) 06:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC) cannot remove? Kwaizzz (talk) 03:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Create my first Article needing help on Next Steps

I just completed my first article Draft:Temple Lester. After I published it, it stills says "draft." I wanted to make sure that I didn't miss a step and what happens next to get the draft published JSirius (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

JSirius, before all else see WP:MOS before submitting. If you want to submit the draft just click on the submit for review button. That should do it. Celestina007 04:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello JSirius, the Draft: space is meant for articles not yet ready to be published. The drafts have to be WP:MOVED out of there manually when they are ready. Most new articles from inexperienced editors face deletion immediately, so it is recommended that they be submitted for review beforehand so you can get a chance to continue to improve it with minimal risk. The banner at the top of your draft has a submit button whenever you are ready. If you have any connections with the subjects you are writing about (personal, financial), they should be disclosed per WP:COI. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Is anyone aware of a self-declared connected contributor template or a similar user's message box.

Hi, I have been looking at Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest self-declaration templates & Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest templates, but I am just not finding an appropriate template for self-declaring oneself as a connected contributor on an article's talk page.

I remember encountering this before, & I ended up making my own message box for a substantial COI, which you can read here. The current situation is considerably milder. I know an author, she would like to get her article updated with current information. Plus, I think it needs reformatting. I need to briefly state my acquaintance with the author, & that I understand & (will) adhere to Wikipedia's policies & guidelines. After all, I do have a bit of editing experience.

If need be, I can create the template myself, but if anyone is aware of one that another user has crafted that can be reused, I would rather access that. Peaceray (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Peaceray, could you be looking for this: Template:UserboxCOI ? Celestina007 04:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Thank you, I was already aware of that template. Unfortunately, that particular userbox template is for pages in the User namespace. I am looking for something that would be appropriate as a hatnote for a section in on the article talk page. Peaceray (talk) 17:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

How to add hyperlinks?

How to hyperlink? Kwaizzz (talk) 05:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Kwaizzz, Internal hyperlinks may be made in the source editor by surrounding a word with double square brackets, such as [[Cow]]. External links are made using only one square bracket, such as [www.google.com]. The visual editor has an icon that looks like two links of chain that allows you to hyperlink things. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 05:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kwaizzz: Please see WP:LINK for more about linking and linking policy. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

should I use a different term? Is a source to the term unnecessary?

The meaning of standard contractual clauses, legally speaking, is a very specific term. Is a link to a relevant website necessary in these circumstances? Should I instead avoid the term? MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal (talk) 07:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal:, is this question about an article at Wikipedia? Which one? Mathglot (talk) 09:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

References

How do I create a link from Wikipedia to another website for verification Space chinedu (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners (which is one of the useful links provided yesterday on your user talk page). --David Biddulph (talk) 09:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, a URL I added recently to certain page is marked as spam & may affect the owner of the site whom I don't know

Hello Wiki Adkins/authors, am quite new to Wikipedia and I have been making some edits on Wikipedia in other to become better/grow the encyclopedia but recent a not controlled by a user called Beetstra marked a URL I added as reference to a page as spam, pls I need someone to help revert it as I didn't intend spamming & it might affect the owner of the site whom I don't know. This is the link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/Local/9jadailyfeeds.com.ng

Pls help revert this...I really need help in reverting. Thanks Daniel vic (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

All of the articles you inserted that ref into have been reverted or deleted. If you edit an article (add a ref, or other change), and then change your mind about it, click on View history at the top menu bar. then on "prev" to the left, and then on "Undo". David notMD (talk) 11:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Why was my change reverted?

I made a fairly minor change to the first paragraph of Ethical Egoism that removed a superfluous "therefore" and one other unnecessary phrase in order to clean up the language of the sentence and clarify the logical structure of the paragraph. Given that this was in the first paragraph of the article I spent a fair amount of time considering my change and making sure that I was really was only cleaning up the language of the paragraph without changing the substance or meaning, but my change was pretty much immediately reverted with little explanation by a more experienced contributor. I have tried to discuss the change with the person who reverted my edit, but they haven't communicated very clearly and I'm still a bit confused and feel rather discouraged as this was the first time I've made a non-anonymous edit.

So my question is: what gives? Is this me being a newbie and my edit crossed a line I'm not seeing or was my edit legitimate and the more experienced editor is just a little revert-happy? I could use some guidance on how to interpret this experience and how to proceed without feeling like I'm not welcome to contribute to articles even in minor ways. Post Epoch (talk) 11:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Post Epoch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Being reverted is a normal part of editing, and while it can be disappointing, it isn't usually intended as a sleight against you. I don't see where the other user criticized you as being a new user, and I don't think they intended to. The other user removed it because they did not see a need for the change you made. If you truly feel that the change is needed, you will need to gain consensus for it by making logical arguments to support why you feel the change is necessary, and offering any reliable sources you have to support it. It isn't enough to say that you think you were correct or that it makes things clearer for you,(as every editor thinks that their own edits are correct) you need to demonstrate why it is necessary. If you want other editors to see the discussion, you could make it a formal Request for Comment. If you cannot resolve the dispute on the article talk page, you can use avenues of dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@331dot I see, thanks for the clarification! I took up the issue on the user's talk page here: User_talk:F5pillar. I have to admit to getting a bit frustrated because I do not feel that the other user is really engaging in a good-faith logical argument (or at least one that I can understadn) and their English is quite difficult to understand, but I've tried to keep it pretty civil. In this particular case, to me it seems obvious that the "therefore" in the sentence does not logically follow from the previous sentences and therefore (sorry, couldn't help it) confuses the meaning of the paragraph, but it sounds like in order to make that argument I would need a citation, right? What would a citation look like in this case? Post Epoch (talk) 11:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Post Epoch If you are aware of other literature on the subject that uses similar language as you want to change the article to, that would help your case immensely. Information on citing sources can be found at this page. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hmm... I think I'm still a little confused. This is in the article summary, right at the top. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the composition process for these kinds of things. Here's the paragraph in question:

Ethical egoism is the normative ethical position that moral agents ought to act in their own self-interest. It differs from psychological egoism, which claims that people can only act in their self-interest. Ethical egoism also differs from rational egoism, which holds that it is rational to act in one's self-interest.[1] Ethical egoism holds, therefore, that actions whose consequences will benefit the doer can be considered ethical in this sense.[2]

It's the ", therefore," in the very last sentence that I'm talking about. This sentence was composed for the Wikipedia article and uses a separate reference from the rest of the paragraphs, which is unrelated to the word "therefore". I'm not really sure how to reference similar language on this topic when what I'm talking about is the logical structure of the paragraph and sentence written for the Wikipedia, which is divorced from the content of the topic itself. I'm not trying to die on a hill here; I could care less about this particular edit or article. I'm really just trying to understand the proper process of cleaning up grammar and general paragraph and sentence structure on articles.Post Epoch (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Post Epoch Quite often, sentence structure is simply based on the personal preference of the editors involved. If it isn't something that you can specifically cite as the proper way to structure the sentence, the only other thing you can do is persuade other editors to agree with your position. If they don't, unfortunately you will have to accept that until such time as other editors change their mind. As I stated, if you cannot resolve the issue on the article talk page and truly feel that it is the proper course of action, you should make use of dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

In my view, the "therefore" you removed was superfluous, but the "instead" you replace it by was downright confusing. Maproom (talk) 12:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I see, thank you both for all of the clarifications on process (and I think that is an entirely valid criticism of my edit!). This was super helpful and I will do my best to keep at it.Post Epoch (talk) 12:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

How about: "In contrast to those two positions, Ethical egoism holds that . . ."? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.132.105 (talk) 12:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ooh, good call. Much clearer than "instead"! So the best practice here would be to suggest that on the Talk page for the article, right? Post Epoch (talk) 12:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

As long as we are eyeballing Ethical egoism, is this really still a Start class article? Anyone feel qualified to upgrade it to at least C-class? David notMD (talk) 12:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Will Wikipedia/Commons pay for updated resources (4 related books) used for editing?

Hello... Will Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons pay for updated resources (4 related books covering the Canadian Rockies) used only for editing? There used to be 2 books covering the Canadian Rockies and with an update, there are now 4 (the last - Rockies North - is still unavailable). I have no use for these other than my Wikipedia work - my knees are shot and I no longer can get into the backcountry. But these books have corrected mountain heights and other corrections, so I would like to acquire them. Is this something that Wikipedia or Commons will reimburse me if I do get them?). I figure one can't get reimbursed if one doesn't ask. Cheers, Brett. BrettA343 (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, BrettA343. I hesitate to say an unequivocal "No" from ignorance, but I've never heard of such a thing. It's possible that somebody could help at WP:REX. --ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi BrettA343 - nice to encounter you again (re Mount Lyell - if you need a memory jog). I do know what you mean about 'shot knees'; me too, mate. I think Colin is right to suggest this is extremely unlikely - I've never heard of it either. Over at my pet WikiProject (WP:ALPS) we're building up a list of references works that we each hold and are willing to help one another with (but probably not actually loan out). You might find that WP:MOUNTAINS does the same, or that someone might have the relevant guidebook they'd be willing to pass over/sell you. I've had to buy my own books for my Wikipedia-related mountaineering interests (I guess that's why it's called an 'interest'), but my approach has been to keep an eye out on ebay for a work that's being sold at the right price for me. I've also found Twitter useful at times, and recently had one kind person scan me an obituary from an 1895 Alpine Club journal, which I then used, whilst a casual tweet to Ambrosia10 was retweeted to her followers, within the hour solving a 25 year mystery, and allowing me to improve a page I'd been working on for ages. Utilising the goodwill of other interested parties across the globe can sometimes yield great things. And its free! Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick and Colin, but I had to ask... Next, I guess I'll ask Santa if she can help :-). I think getting help from WP:MOUNTAINS might be a good idea, too, but I'll likely wait 'til Xmas as I'd rather have my own copies of the 4 volumes anyway, and thus not bug project members (even willing ones). I can't see many copies of these being offered for sale, just because they're too new (and improved over previous editions). And of course I remember your involvement on my Mt. Lyell question, Nick - and glad to see you hosting at The Teahouse :-)! Thanks again and cheers, Brett BrettA343 (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Unable to link accurately. Please help.

In the article about pocket cubes, pocket cube#Permutations, I want to link to the article permutations. Specifically, circular permutations. It's path is: permutations -> other uses of permutations -> circular permutations. How do I do this?

Currently the link doesn't go exactly where I wanted it to go.

I was thinking that I can expand the circular permutations section into a separate section. Hmanburg (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Are "circular permutations" the same as what mathematicians call "cyclic permutations"? Maproom (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom They're different (disclaimer, I wouldn't call myself a mathematician). I did find that article by googling circular permutations. Maybe we should add some sort of notice so that it isn't confused with circular permutations since the naming is very similar and also Google leads to that page. Thanks for your help!

(edit conflict) Hello, Hmanburg. You can link to a section by [[Permutations#Circular permutations|permutation]], which displays as permutation. --ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine thanks! Exactly what I was looking for!

How do I create a Template sandbox within my own sandbox?

Hi I'm about to experiment with templates & parameters. As it'll be unique to my prospective page, do i need to create it in a sandbox first, if so, how? I can't find any instructions on how to create one within my personal sandbox. Thanks Dave F63 (talk) 18:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dave F63: I recommend starting with Help:Template. One thing to realize is that virtually any page can be used as a template simply by enclusing the target page name in curly brackets {{ and }}. For instance, on my talk page I use {{User:Peaceray/Header}} & {{User talk:Peaceray/Archive sidebar}} that link to User:Peaceray/Header & User talk:Peaceray/Archive sidebar respectively. Peaceray (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Erroneous inclusion of fan art as official album art

Hi, the file here is listed as the official single art of White Mercedes by Charli XCX. However, it is actually fan art and the single does not actually have official album art. While I removed the image from its corresponding page, the image still exists on here and I was wondering if it could either be removed or changed to clarify that it's fan art (and credit its creator). Lilahthecrocodilah (talk) 19:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lilahthecrocodilah. Please take this matter to Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I change my 'sources' to 'references'?

In reading other articles about artists, I see they use 'references'. I think it may help me add the additional notability needed. I would like to use this. I am writing a article about Dennis Blalock....and finding mostly negative feedback. I am trying very hard to complete this article but have been sick for some time. I feel better and want to make it according to Wikipedia rules. Would very much appreciate any friendly advice and help anyone can give me. Elisabet Stacy-Hurley 19:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisabet Stacy-Hurley (talk • contribs)

@Elisabet Stacy-Hurley: Draft:Dennis Blalock indicates that you were a student of Blalock. Please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. If you wish to continue editing this draft, please disclose your conflict of interest by adding {{UserboxCOI|Dennis Blalock}} to your userpage. Then, I suggest you start over. Gather your independent reliable sources about Blalock and simply summarize what they say. Don't write about what you know about Blalock from your personal experiences with him. See Help:Your first article for more advice. GoingBatty (talk) 20:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking for a guide / tutorial on common 'flags' for articles

I'm very new, and I'm trying to find a guide on how to add 'flags' to an article- things like "This article may contain non-neutral language' 'This article may need copy editing' 'This article contains non-standard characters'. I'm sure it's in here somewhere and I'm just not seeing it, but I've been searching for 20 or so minutes... right now I'm trying to add the 'non-standard characters' flag to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Clouds

And I'm sure they're not called 'flags' but I'm not sure what they're supposed to be called. (I'm also aware that some of these describe problems with the article and non-standard characters is not really a problem, so I guess this might be 2 separate questions).

Much thanks! Mtm4518a47 (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mtm4518a47, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Those are called Cleanup templates: see that link. I use Twinkle, which makes it much easier to add them. --ColinFine (talk) 20:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Mtm4518a47 — you might be looking for {{Contains special characters|Burmese}}. Umimmak (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help editing an inaccurate wiki bio entry

Can you please look at my 3 recent edits to Ann Marie Sastry’s wiki page and tell me how I can make them conform to standards? Truthman1988 (talk) 21:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Truthman1988: Since the article already uses footnotes, your additions should also use footnotes. See Help:Footnotes and Template:Cite web and Template:Cite magazine. In the new "Controversy" section, you might want to replace your text with {{main|Sakti3#Criticism}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

being kicked out of wikipedia because of an A.Hole

before I get kicked out I want to inform whoever is interested of what has happen.

basing on the experience I acquired about sources, writing a gay porn bio myself, I decided to get rid of all the not notable gay porn bio (there are so many, believe me). So, I started reading them, checking out the sources and when I found one that wasn't notable I put an advice on my page AlejandroLeloirRey, I left a message on the article's discussion page to ask if people had more sources and I looked for more sources myself. if after one or two weeks I couldn't find any significant source I nominated the article.

Anyone can see the result of my job here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=AlejandroLeloirRey&max=&startdate=&altname=%20your%20AFD%20stats

everything was fine until @Gleeanon409: entered into a discussion, since then he kept following me around accusing me to nominate with out doing WP:BEFORE. I asked him to check my statistics to see that my nomination are pretty reasonable but most of all I asked him, politely, 1000 times, to argue the sources and not me. obviously he kept accusing me in any discussion (more than once per discussion). I asked for help here but no one did anything.

So, how does this story end?

I can't simply stand him and his personal attacks no more, so I have insulted him. for this reason I will be banned from wikipedia. obviously, for our community telling a person he is an A.H. or to F.O. is way worst that stalking a person for weeks pulling his never to the point he is ok with being kicked out as long as he gets rid of its stalker. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: Please remember to not make personal attacks. This is a better topic for the incidents noticeboard. SuperGoose007 ^(Honk!) 21:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@SuperGoose007: i have been personal attacked for weeks on any discussion of articles I nominated. I asked him to stop but he will never do it. other people asked him to stop also but he keeps doing it. at this point i have to accept I will be banned from wikipedia. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi AlejandroLeloirRey. You will only be blocked or banned for the things that you do; so, the way to avoid any of that is to simply always try to be WP:HERE, follow WP:5PILLARS and avoid giving the Wikipedia community a reason to take any action against your account. This sometimes means that you need to step away from an unpleasant situation no matter how right you truly think you are. If others are aware of the situation and are trying to help resolve it, then perhaps it's best to leave it alone and let them take care of it. When people are frustrated and upset, they tend to post things that might WP:BOOMERANG back in their faces; so, if you feel the other editor is creating problems, you can report their behavior to WP:ANI and see if others can help resolve things. Another benefit of taking a step back is that it give you yourself a chance to cool down and reassess your own involvement in the matter. Sometimes when we're angry about something, our anger makes it hard to see whether we might've contributed to making a bad situation worse. Stepping back allows us time to self-assess to see if there was something we might be able to do better the next time we're faced with a similar situation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly when I was a child there was this school fellow who annoyed me and made me faces, do u say grimace?, (the teacher could perfectly see that), I asked the teacher to make him stop but she didn't do anything. so at the end I burst and swear to him and for that I got punished. This is the very same situation. pull off? u mean stop contributing on wikipedia than because he follows me around, than what would be the difference between this and being banned?. he perfectly knows what he is doing and his intention is to make me ban me but there is nothing I can do. I will be banned I know. the point is that if u and other editors asked an editor to discuss the articles and not the nominator but he keeps doing it no matter what, than he should be banned immediately. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

by the way, Marchjuly and @SuperGoose007:, than u for the advises. I know u wanna help me. thank u. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting you should stop editing Wikipedia. I'm only suggesting you (1) avoid making any comments about another editor which might be seen as a personal attack per WP:NPA, (2) try to avoid engaging this other editor whenever you can, but if you have to respond to them then try and remain WP:CIVIL and keep your comments focused on the content (e.g. the relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines) being discussed and not on each other as editors as much as possible. If you feel their behavior is a problem, you can seek administrator assistance at a place like WP:ANI; if you take that step though, you need to realize that the entire situation (including your involvement) is what administrators are going to be looking at. So, if the other editor's behavior is a problem, then don't post things that will make administrators want to examine your behavior as well. One way you can do this would be to choose section headings for you posts that aren't going to be seen as personal attacks against another editor and avoid insulting other editors in your posts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I just saw that an admin said that Gleeanon409 should have been blocked for edit war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#More_eyes_needed_on_Patrisse_Cullors --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring typically results in a warning or at most a temporary block of a day or two, so there was no potential for an indefinite block nor a besmirching of reputation. The two of you appear to be in a Deletionist versus Inclusionist personal struggle. I agree that stepping away from editing porn bios for a while is a good idea. Even if in truth Gleeanon409 is acting like a schoolyard bully, nothing forces you to keep going to the same schoolyard. David notMD (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: thank you for your advice. I wouldn't mind if he only discussed the articles I nominate. Sometime, like anybody else, I make mistakes and nominate articles that should not be nominated (that happens quite rarely though) so I am happy to have other people watching my work and let me know when I have missed something. whet I really can not stand is him keep telling me I do a lazy work and don't do wp:before. usually my answer is: "argue the article not me" but i am very tired of it. now, before I say this, I need to apology because I know how bad is going to sound: I can't change my school only because of a schoolyard bully. I am still so naive to think that sooner or later the teacher (admin) will tell him to stop. I don't care for having him blocked, I only want him to be told that what he is doing is not good and he needs to focus on the subject: the nominated article. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Bunghole?

 73.19.15.4 (talk) 23:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome. The article Bunghole may hold the answer for you. RudolfRed (talk) 23:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Contact TSRL

Would like to contact wiki contributor TSRL about Schoettler page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoettler_I

Please ask TSRL to contact SchotTak Thanks SchotTak (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

SchotTak You may contact them yourself, on their talk page, User talk:TSRL. You may find it easier to do in desktop mode in a browser, instead of the mobile version or the app. 331dot (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Barbadian schools

Can a list of Barbadian schools be updated ? Ddemod (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ddemod: welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Almost any article can be updated, and almost any editor can update it. If you have changes to make to List of schools in Barbados, you are welcome to do so. Do leave an edit summary explaining what you are doing; and if you were to add a citation to a reliable published source for your change, you would be increasing the value of that completely unreferenced article immensely. --ColinFine (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I've now added a couple of references to it, so it's no longer completely unreferenced. This makes it very slightly more than totally valueless. --ColinFine (talk) 09:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Notifications of replies

Is Wikipedia supposed to notify me when someone replies to a question of mine, for example at the reference desk? Or am I required to check "Watch this page" every time I ask a question?

Also, when I reply to someone on an article's talk page, can I be sure they'll be notified of the reply, or does that also require them having selected "Watch this page"? Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: Welcome to Wikipedia. It is not automatic. You will only get notified if someone "pings" you when they reply, as I have done here to notify you. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Oh, ok, did I do the ping correctly? Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: Yes. I got the notification. You got it figured out. RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Great, thank you for the help. Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Do you have any idea why I haven't gotten any notifications for the replies I've gotten on Talk:Mangalwedha? Cheesycow5 (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: looks like most of the replies to you are not signed. the notification only works if the "ping" and the signing are in the same post. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Oh, that makes sense, thanks. Cheesycow5 (talk) 00:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Reverting page to original?

Hello,

I understand what you're saying. However, if the information that existed on that page was there already (before I did any editing), why can I not return it to how it was when I found it? Tensack (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tensack. It would help others to try and help you if you could actually provide a link to the article (page) you're referring to above. It would also help to know who the "you" is you're referring to in your post. It looks like you're asking about Daniella Ohad and from that's article's history it appears that quite a lot of content was removed as a copyright violation by an administrator named Justlettersandnumbers.

Perhaps, Justlettersandnumbers will give you a more detailed explanation why, but sometimes an article can be in the same state for quite some time. That could be for lots of reasons as explained in WP:CONTENTAGE, but perhaps the previous version you tried to re-establish wasn't really in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines and nobody noticed it until now. Probably the best place for you to discuss this would be at Talk:Daniella Ohad since disagreements over article content are generally best sorted on on the relevant article's talk page. One thing though is that the older version you tried to revert back contained lots of unsourced content, which can be particularly a problem per WP:BLPSOURCES. The current version seems to have been an attempt to remove what was unsourced and try keep only the stuff which can be verified through citations to reliable sources. So, in a Wikipedia sense, that is actually an improvement and more of what a Wikipedia article is intended to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly, that about covers it. The amount of copyvio was actually pretty limited (not enough to justify revdeletion in my opinion). I reverted Tensack mostly because the material was promotional and either ill-sourced (mostly to her own website) or completely unsourced, but also because of WP:UPE concerns. Tensack, if you are being – or expect to be – paid to edit here, you must make appropriate disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation; this obligatory, not optional. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing unrelated page history?

Hi Teahouse! I recently moved a draft from my sandbox to article space (The Fan Brothers) and as a result the page history has all kinds of unrelated things (from drafting other articles). Is there a way to request to have that stuff removed, or do I just leave it? Thanks in advance! MapleSoy (talk) 03:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello MapleSoy, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I have done a history split, and the older revisions are now at User:MapleSoy/oldsandbox, in case you want t5o retrieve any of them. If you don't, and are sure you won't, you can ask for this to be deleted using {{db-author}}. In future you can place {{db-author}} on your sandbox to clear it out before startin a new project, or you can instead use a userspace draft, such as User:MapleSoy/New Topic. You can have as many of these as y9u like, provided all are for legitimate drafts of potential artiles, or are otherwise aimed at improving Wikipedia, such as tests or experiments. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Thank you so much! This is all very good to know. - MapleSoy (talk) 04:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia misleading its readers?

I am a frequent Wikipedia reader who occasionally edits, and for the past few weeks I’ve seen messages asking for donations. I don’t donate for certain reasons (though I will consider donating later on), but today, I saw a message that said "To all our readers in India, It might be awkward, but please don't scroll past this. This Sunday, for the 1st time recently, we humbly ask you to defend Wikipedia's independence. 98% of our readers don't give; they simply look the other way. If you are an exceptional reader who has already donated, we sincerely thank you. If you donate just ₹ 150, Wikipedia could keep thriving for years. Most people donate because Wikipedia is useful. If Wikipedia has given you ₹ 150 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate. Show the volunteers who bring you reliable, neutral information that their work matters. Thank you."

Is Wikipedia deliberately misleading its Indian readers by saying that this is the first time it has asked Indians for donations?

And one more thing which I think the Wikimedia staff should be aware of (I don’t know where to inform them): there is currently a social media campaign against Wikipedia being orchestrated by conservatives in India as per this 45.251.33.60 (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I parse the awkwardly-worded statement as saying that it is the first time recently that they ask. I believe the banner campaign happens for a month or so, once a year, so the last time would be 11 months ago – not recent by most standards. Regardless, if the banners bother you, the easiest solution is to register an account and log in with it. Then, once you dismiss the banner, you will not see it again (as long as you remain logged in, which you have to do once a year I think). You can contact the WMF with any issues you have regarding fundraising at WP:DONATE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has been asking me to donate for about one month so far, so I don’t understand why they say for the 1st time recently now only instead of a few weeks back. That’s my point. 45.251.33.60 (talk) 07:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I see your point, but as an anonymous IP editor, it does not know if you have been shown the ad before. Do tell them about it if you like, though, as suggested above. Participants here have nothing to do with WMF fundraising. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You can disable banner messages if you have an account. As noted, there is no way to know if an IP user has been shown a message before, as IPs can be used by multiple people. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

how can i make an article

 shadmansakib (talk) 07:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Shadman24, have a look at WP:YFA. It guides you through the process of creating your first article. Celestina007 08:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Stupid question..

Hello, all.... If I find a page that has not been translated into English, do I have to translate it or leave it?  Aans03 (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: oh thanks for answering.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aans03 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, and (for future information) a ping doesn't work unless you end your message with your signature. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aans03: Do you mean you have found a page on English Wikipedia that is written in another language? That should not be. What page is it? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

How to format Infobox Artwork when work requires two images

The article with the Infobox Artwork is Tragic Prelude.

The image to be added is File:Portion_of_mural_Tragic_Prelude,_by_John_Steuart_Curry,_Kansas_Capitol,_Topeka.jpeg

This needs to be displayed horizontally to the right of the existing inage. The mural turns a corner and continues at 90°.

If there is a way to insert a two-part image in an infobox I don't know it. I could ditch the infobox and make a gallery. Or I could use external software to reate a collage of the two images, if that would not complicate the non-free fair use situation. deisenbe (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: I'd say take it out of the infobox and into a gallery. The resulting image would be so wide and reduced so much to fit in the infobox, it would be hard to see the details of it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Can you improve the formatting? deisenbe (talk) 11:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: There are a couple of issues involved here that are related to Wikipedia’s non-free content use policy.

The first one is related to WP:NFCC#9. Non-free file’s can only be used (i.e. displayed) in the article namespace. So, if you want to discuss them on a talk page or noticeboard like the Teahouse, please link to the file instead per WP:TPG#Non-free images.

The second has to do with WP:NFG. Non-free images are pretty much never allowed in image galleries. So, it would be better for you to try and incorporate the image into the body of the article near the content which discusses it.

Finally, the last thing has to do with WP:NFCC#1. The two other files of this work being used in that article are freely licensed images uploaded to Commons. If those licenses are correct, then there’s no way that a non-free image of the same work will be allowed per WP:FREER. Whether those Commons files licensed correctly depends on two things: the copyright status of the work itself and the copyright status of the photo. If the work isn’t still protected by copyright, then a non-free photo of it will never meet NFCC#1 because anyone could essentially take an equivalent photo and release it under a free license per c:COM:2D copying. If the work is still protected by copyright, then any photo of it would be need to be treated as non-free content even if the photo is freely licensed. You might want to ask about this a WP:MCQ or maybe even c:COM:VPC to see whether the work is still protected by copyright. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

This is way over my head. I read over the linked pages I found in the help files. I wish someone who knows better than me what to so would just fix it instead of leaving me complicated suggestions.

Regarding the gallery, this is an unusual case. The image is not used as one of a set of images of different works, as there is no image of the entire, complete work anywhere. You need the gallery to see the complete work that the article is about. If there's a better way to format it please do so. deisenbe (talk) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies on image use and non-free content use can be rather hard to sort out, but you’re going to need to be willing to make more of an effort to try and sort things out yourself if you’re going to be uploading images. Simply uploading files and then expecting others to figure out whether it was OK to do so is not really a good way to go about things. Everything is going to depend on the copyright status of the mural. If it’s still protected by copyright, then photos of it are going to be hard to use. If it’s not, then photos of it are going to be much easier to use. If File:THUMBNAIL001L.jpg is part of the same mural and its copyright license is correct, then the rest of the mural is also probably no longer protected by copyright is well if it was all painted together at the same time. Perhaps c:COM:PD-Art will help explain this better than I can here. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I’ve asked about this at WP:MCQ#File:Portion of mural Tragic Prelude, by John Steuart Curry, Kansas Capitol, Topeka.jpeg. One possible problem is that you don’t seem to be the person who took the photo. Which means there’s a good chance that Wikipedia cannot keep it even if the mural is considered to be within the public domain and thus not protected by copyright. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you looked at Template:Photo montage, Template:Multiple image, Template:Image frame, etc.? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

James Carney (pianist and composer)

Hello, am working on a WikiPedia for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:James_Carney_(pianist_and_composer). and received this note from the editor:

---This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.---

I disagree that the ariticles mentioned only show passing mentions, most of the articles are about James Carney and his music.

There are a lot more articles that have been written about James Carney in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Downbeat, Jazz Times, All About Jazz, All Music and other books and publications.

Can someone give me some additional pointers? Thank you! HeidiBa (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@HeidiBa: Some of the references you provided are primary sources (e.g. Sunnyside Records, Cleanfeed Records, BandCamp, Steph Richards) or passing mentions (e.g. Syracuse International Film Festival). Since you have a lot more articles, you may want to consider expanding the draft using those references. You only have four sentences in the first section, and two sentence fragments in the "Notable Performances" section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, HeidiBa. Does Common sourcing mistakes help at all? --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to edit.

Can you teach me how to edit Wikipedia? I am new.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordtrucks (talk • contribs)

@Fordtrucks: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This link might be a good place to start.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Feedback requested on first rewrite

Hello Teahouse! Although I've had an account for some years, I only recently started editing. I found out about The Wikipedia Adventure, and tried to complete that today, although I think it was a bit buggy.

In any case, I've made several edits to Consensus decision-making recently, after trying to get some feedback via the talk page. I ended up re-writing the intro and moving some sections. I feel a bit uneasy making such big edits (and I intend to do more) without getting any feedback. I wondered if someone would like to give me some feedback if I'm doing anything totally wrong?

Cheers, Douginamug (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You added a subsection to provide an example, and while it contained Wikilinks, you neglected to copy/paste references. Also, check if article using Great Britain spelling, USA spelling or other English language country. David notMD (talk) 19:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD, I was unsure if I should copy and paste references—now I know. Douginamug (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Art galleries as reliable sources

I've just had an editor delete a reference in an article with the reason that "a commercial gallery is not an independent reliable source" - I've read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources and do not believe that such a "blanket" statement can be made - any comments? Artdoofus (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The title of this thread, and your mention of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, suggest that you think that the issue is one of reliability. I believe that the real issue is not reliability, but independence. Commercial art galleries exist to sell artworks. They cannot be expected to be independent when assessing the merits and value of the works they display. Maproom (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Artdoofus, and welcome to the Teahouse. Few blanket statements are always correct about referencing. In general, a commercial gallery that is trying to sell work by a particular artist is not independent of that artist -- it has a financial interest in making that artist seem more important and successful than the artist actually is. Such a gallery might well be reliable for straightfo0rward facts, such as when was the artist born, when was a given picture painted, where does the artist live, who did the artist study under, and the like, but will not help much with notability. What article is this, because th4e exact statement being supported by the reference will matter. Not all refernces need to be independent. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it ok when companies insert their name in image captions?

An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_nucleus In that article, the company name "Nanolive" appears in an image caption of a short video that was produced with their microscope. I have also seen similar patterns like this where company names appear in articles and/or image captions but don't really add value to the article. (at least I don't think the average user needs to know the brand of microscope something was filmed on) Should I remove such instances when I see them? Douira100 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the credit to Nanolive. If they want, and can justify, attribution of the image to them they should do so at the image's page on Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Two conflicting titles on a source

I am looking through some of the sources on an article and it appears differently on Google Books to how it appears on WorldCat. What should I do here? User:Thatoneweirdwikier | Conversations and Contributions 18:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thatoneweirdwikier, and welcome back to the Teahouse.

It looks as if one source is simply giving a shortened version of the title, and it is mfien nto use that. Or the checvk further. The US Library of Congress lists the title as The Battle of Britain : and the American factor, July-October 1940 / David A. Johnson. so it seem that "and the American factor, July-October 1940" is a sub-title. Both here on Wikipedia, and in listings elsewhere, sub-titles are optional, and can be included or omitted. In any case if you are using this as a source you should have actually read it. If you read the physical book, what did the title page say? If you read an online version, what title was listed there? In general follow the source in the form that you read it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thatoneweirdwikier: In general, WorldCat has unfortunately become rather polluted with inaccuracies and duplications in the last couple of years. I think they did some mass importing from other sources and didn't do a good job of matching against their existing data.

In this particular case, all the pictures of the cover that I find do not include "the American Factor". There appears to be only one edition. I would use "The Battle of Britain: July-October 1940" as the title. I don't know what to do with the "Great Campaigns" (if anything). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

issues with page edits

Hey fellow Wiki editors -- I just updated a page called Eden Reforestation Projects and it says that the page "has issues", including needing additional verification and not being linked to by any other page. But I don't understand why those issues are flagged because I added a lot of references and I saw that there is at least one other page (Ecosia) that links to Eden Reforestation Projects. Any advice? Thank you! Chandigar (talk) 19:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chandigar. You are correct that Eden Reforestation Projects is no longer an orphan, so I removed that tag. The current state of the references is poor. Several are press releases which are not independent sources. Many are YouTube videos which can often be problematic and need to be checked carefully for copyright status, reliability and independence. Most of the references are presented as bare URLs. These should be properly formatted to present bibliographic information. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to upload

Can you please teach me how to upload pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordtrucks (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fordtrucks: See Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, and be sure you understand who owns the copyright of the pictures. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Confused

CONFUSED!

Hi All, Need some help, please! I've added factual content to a persons page, which reads like an advert. It keeps being taken down even though it is fact and now I'm being threatened to be blocked as a contributor.

Teddy McDonald, previously referred to as the artist Teddy M, was made bankrupt in the High Court on 4th February 2020 for not paying debts

Why is this being contested?

Thank you! Justright89199 (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see your user talk page and WP:BLP. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Here's a reference, which might help: (Redacted) Maproom (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The content that Justright89199 wants to add (and keeps re-adding) is the subject's address. Wikipedia does not allow the posting of that kind of personal information. Not even if it has been previously published elsewhere. In my opinion that policy would also prohibit posting the link that shows their address. "Factual content" about the subject's bankruptcy can be sourced in other ways. I have explained this clearly to Justright in several places. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Misuse of Photo

Hi there,

My name is Kelly McCormack and my wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_McCormack

on June 10th a photo was put up on my page that was taken from my facebook page. It was a photo that my sister took with my phone, and I own the rights to it, and I would like it taken down. The person who posted this photo does not own the rights. As you can see, it was not taken professionally, and very obviously taken with a phone - which was mine. If you would like proof of my identity, I can provide that, but I would like to have this photo removed.

thank you! Kelly 2001:569:7CFC:A000:E1BE:8701:E4D0:4BFA (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy- at Kelly McCormack, Kim Leung claims to have taken that photo at a 2017 event. David notMD (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kelly. I would advise against editing your Wikipedia page because you have a conflict of interest. You will need an edit request on the article talk page stating that you would like to delete the image. You can use the {{request edit}} template to add it to the queue of new requests. I hope this helps. Interstellarity (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Kelly is not asking to add a photo, but rather to delete a photo. The editor who added it in June - Kim Leung - has a previous history of adding a photo to this article without having copyright to that photo. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have edited my comment to accurately answer her question. Interstellarity (talk) 20:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I would also suggest, Kelly, that you register an account and email info-en@wikimedia.org for instructions on establishing that the account as actually that of the subject of the article Kelly McCormack. And of course declare your conflict of interest with regard to that article. I have noted at commons that there is a challenge to the rights on this image. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel I have been told that OTRS verification of identity is only done in cases of the user being blocked. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

That was not my understanding, 331dot, but I could been mistaken. Neither Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects nor Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team explicitly says one way or the other. The latter does say Volunteers may provide more active assistance for defamation and privacy issues and for requests from the subjects of articles. It is hard to know whether thge above request is valid or not without a verified identity. And while the OP could create User:Kelly McCormack get blocked, and then request unblock after communicating with OTRS, that seems a pointless hoop to jumop through. I'm not on the OTRS team, so I am not sure of the proper course to follow. Perhaps Sphilbrick who is on that team could advise. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, I've been interested in the issue of confirmation of identity primarily because most such inquiries at OTRS are not solving the right problem, but it has been frustrating to get people on the same page.

This may turn out to be an example of addressing the wrong problem. The person claiming to be Kelly McCormack wants to know how to prove her identity on the assumption that this would aid in the removal of the photo. That man may not be true; it isn't obvious that it will help, and it is harder to do than Kelly might realize. Many people assume, understandably, that they can provide a photocopy of a license or passport but OTRS policy is not to accept such documents, which makes confirmation of identity challenging in some cases. In this particular case, I trust that Kelly agrees the real issue is the removal of the photo, and if that happens she may not care whether anyone confirms her identity or not.

The real issue is whether the person claiming copyright of the photo is accurately asserting copyright. If the answer is no, it doesn't matter whether the person claiming to be Kelly McCormick is Kelly McCormick or someone else.

I used to be an active participant in permissions but I'm less involved because frankly it's exhausting. I note that the photo does not have EXIF data displayed, which is a potential red flag. Not having this information could be (but not necessarily) a sign that the image was extracted from someplace else as opposed to a personal photograph. While it is acceptable to take a photo which has EXIF information, and post a cropped or modified version without the EXIF information, it is not uncommon in such situations that we request that the person claiming to be the copyright holder provide the underlying photo with the EXIF to prove that they are in possession of it. There are many people active in OTRS that have far deeper knowledge of these details than I have, but it might make sense to make that request of the person claiming copyright. If in fact they cropped it from Facebook page they are unlikely to be able to satisfy the request. If in fact they took the photo and an event as they claimed they should be able to provide it. In other words, the claim to copyright might be settled without jumping through the hoops for proof of identity. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Remark addressed to Kelly McCormack: if your sister took a photo using your phone, then she, not you, owns the copyright to the photo, and can legally donate it to Wikipedia. That's how copyright law works. None of us can change that.

Question addressed to Kelly McCormack: do you believe the person using the name "Kim Leung" is your sister? If they aren't, if for instance "Kim Leung" merely copied it from your Facebook page and uploaded it to Wikipedia claiming it as her own work (sadly, that kind of thing often happens), then that picture is not acceptable here and should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom is exactly right and I'm sorry I missed that point. If your sister took the photo then she's the initial copyright holder even though she used your phone. If she transferred the copyright to you, then you are the copyright holder, but you are not the copyright holder simply because it was your phone. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Observation I'm pretty confident that Kelly, the original IP poster here, has a very strong case, as I'm pretty sure the uploader is a serial image copyright violator. I judge that, not only from their Commons Talk Page showing a past history of deletions of dubious images, but also by the three current uploads which DESiegel and I have just challenged them about there. In my view the editor (User:Kim Leung) needs to be indeffed from Commons and all their contributions deleted as quite untrustworthy. After an hour of snooping around the internet, and some reverse image searching, I've definitely found two more crop and upload jobs they've made. None of their uploads have EXIF data and are of such low resolution that I think the evidence is overwhelming they've breached policy over at Wikimedia Commons. But because Wikimedia Commons is a separate project from Wikipedia (with its own administrators and protocols) I cannot take that action myself. Nor can I warn or block a user here for actions they've made elsewhere. Anyone know how to report a user on Commons (rather than simply flag their individual uploads for deletion)? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)    

Nick Moyes I have reported the user at c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. We will see hope commons admins follow up. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, DESiegel. Let's hope so. In the meantime, I have found yet another copyright violation - this time a blatant screen grab from this Nicki Minaj YouTube video (2mins 47 sec in, if anyone's curious enough to check it out). I decided not to report the single file at this point in time, but identified it on their user page on Commons for an admin to consider. I believe we should be proactive and remove the image of Kelly McCormack from that article (which I have just done), though any removal may well be reverted if a Commons investigation hasn't yet started into the actions and uploads of the editor in question. Please keep an eye on the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to edit

Can you teach me how to edit Wikipedia? I am new to Wikipedia. Chevytrucks (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please ignore this question. This user has been blocked indefinitely. I am leaving this note so people don't waste time trying to type up an answer. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The editor has been unblocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

And blocked indefinitely for being a mere puppet of a blocked user. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Chevytrucks: Looks like you're using WP:The Wikipedia Adventure. You might also want to try Help:Introduction to editing. GoingBatty (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

uploading photos

hi Wiki peeps. I want to upload some photos taken by the organization itself; do they have to do it themselves? I've read the Wiki info on photos but it's a bit confusing. Chandigar (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chandigar and welcome to the Teahouse. Someone authorized by the copyright holder, which probably means someone from the organization, would have to release the photos under a free license, such as CC-BY-SA. This can be done by posting the images in an obviously official place,m such as the organization's web site, with a release statement. It could alternatively be done by following the process at Donating copyrighted material which involves an email sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org from an address clearly associated with the copyright holder, probably the organization. That email will need to confirm the release, and specify the url where the images are located. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

New editor

 KittipongDawdungnoi 1 (talk) 21:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, KittipongDawdungnoi 1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help with an edit.

Hi Wiki folk,

I found an error on a protected page and was curious if there was a place where I could suggest an edit for someone with access to make the change. The error is on the "Sri Lanka" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka page, Toponomy section, third paragraph, sentence 1. The "ṃ" should be changed to "ṅ" as this would be the more accurate way of pronunciation. Source: http://www.visiblemantra.org/pronunciation.html

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randru01 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Randru01 and welcome to the Teahouse, Yes, the place to make such a suggestion would be on Talk:Sri Lanka, using {{edit request}}. Providing a reliable source is a very good idea in such cases. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I finish a translation using the translation tool?

Hi, I just published my first two translations. I used the translation tool and when I was reasonably happy with the result I renamed the page. Now I have two versions: one is the article and another one is an unfinished translation. How do I delete the unfinished translation? Cases are Jacques van Lier and Lina Coen. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ruud Buitelaar: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want to delete a page in your userspace such as User:Ruud Buitelaar/Jacques van Lier, you can replace all the text with {{db-self}}, and someone will be along shortly to delete it. If the page you want to delete is not in your userspace, could you please provide a link? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC).

Thanks! Yes, the pages are in my userspace. I´ll follow your instructions to delete them.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Getting attention on the Dispute resolution noticeboard

A dispute was brought to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Kamala_Harris by another editor, but Im one of the editors involved. I realize DRN is staffed by volunteers, and our edit is tiny, but its on a popular page Kamala_Harris. Not on the top 25 list, but topical. We got attention of one volunteer three days ago, but it was sort of an ancillary question. Im grateful for the attention its gotten, but for lack of attention, its sort of turned into an extension of the Talk:Kamala_Harris page, and I think it's not doing anyone any good. I would say, even I have not helped in this regard. Ive unfortunately responded way beyond my summary.

How do we move this forward, and get the attention of a volunteer? Rklahn (talk) 04:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

crystal

 186.189.148.113 (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, is there a specific question you want to ask? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour, a notable actor:

• 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

- yes, his role in the series Napoleon wal Mahroussa , his role in the series Saraya Abdeen , and in IMDb and elcinema.com, and Marefa – Ali Mansour's biography.

• 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

- yes, An actor and influencer with more than 200,000 followers on Facebook verified page.

• 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

- yes, promoting to Egypt, Tour guide and influencer here. and Ali Mansour On the largest Egyptian news sites. a notable person independent reliable sources 1 2 3 , radio interview On the official channel , television interview.

• all i have write in the Draft have a source.
• and You can use Google Translate to translate the titles and content of the sources in Arabic.
• click here to see ali mansour on google. or write ”ali mansour actor” on google. or write ”علي منصور مبادرة” to see ali mansour in arabic on google.
• Thank you. 102.40.55.120 (talk) 12:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Created 28 July, Declined 28 July, Rejected 29 July. Creating editor advised to ask for help at Teahouse, which is why here (above). David notMD (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Where to begin in expanding an entry (and avoiding conflicts of interest)?

Hello,

I'm working as a strategist for an organization called 'The Munathara Initiative' and I'm being tasked with expanding upon the wikipedia entries of both the organization itself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Munathara_Initiative) as well as its founder, Belabbes Benkredda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belabbes_Benkredda). I've taken the tour and read some independent articles on how best to expand on articles and avoid conflicts of interest, but I'm wondering more concretely if I should expand upon the entries all at once and insert reliable sources, or whether I should approach this as more of a piecemeal project.

Thanks so much for your help and advice! Mgordner (talk) 13:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You shouldn't make any edits to the articles directly. You should first include a clear declaration of paid editing on your user page, and then as you have a conflict of interest you should use the article's talk page to propose changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated, @David Biddulph. What exactly does it mean to declare myself a paid editor on my user page? Does this mean posting "paid editing " at the top of the page? I already state that I am working for Munathara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgordner (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Needs to be on your User page. Calling yourself a "Senior Strategist" is not clear enough. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

If you read WP:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose again, it tells you how to do it. Part of that section says "... and to supply a clearly visible list of their paid contributions on their main user page. The template {{paid}} can be used for this.". --David Biddulph (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Making an article about an association

I have made an article about an association which is more than 25 years old in India and still active with prominent computer scientists involved. This article is rejected. How can I make this article more neutral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ACCS_India Hebbarp (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

What is ''?

If i add translations in the articles about places in my country, '' must be added or what? Is that Example or Example? Rdp060707 (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rdp060707 The usual convention is that non-english words are shown in italics like this. Is that what you are asking about? Could you link to an example, please? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Here is the example, which is from Meycauayan and my own words:

Tagalog: Lungsod ng Meycauayan and Tagalog: Bayan ng Halimbawa

NOTE: This second one is not from a article. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707 the above from Meycauayan seems perfectly proper and consistent with the guidance at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC which says: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. Use the native spellings if they use the Latin alphabet (with or without diacritics)—otherwise anglicize their spelling. It is best to use {{lang}} rather than manually adding italic markup. Translations, as opposed to transliterations or untranslated non-English words, may or may not require italics. Does that answer your question? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Facebook: Using a subject expert's quote (as a secondary/tertiary source)

Hello Teahouse,

Quick question, as the guidance on using Facebook as a source is a little ambiguous. WP:FACEBOOK says: 'As a reliable source: Sometimes (OK to use, under the following conditions): The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject. (See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources.)

Now, I'm not trying to use it as a primary source, rather as a secondary, or even tertiary one, in support of the other sources I've provided (and within the body of an article, not to create a new article itself). To be exact, the post is from 'The World's Leading Script Development Company for Writers & Filmmakers' and sent to their 53,000 followers, which quotes the words of an Academy Award nominated scriptwriter (the secondary source), who has described the similarities between a student's work and that of a TV show as 'staggering and non-coincidental'. The student is the primary source. Using the guidance above, it only references that it's sometimes OK to use Facebook as a primary source (which surely means it can be used as a secondary source, afterall primary is about themselves). Following the guidance on verifiability, as a self-published source it would be acceptable as they are clearly subject-expertys, as is the person they are quoting? Advice much appreciated. Thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC) SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SethRuebens. No, Facebook is never acceptable as a secondary source, because secondary sources must be reliably published; that is, published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. If the words of the scriptwriter have been published somewhere reliable, cite that. If they haven't they cannot be cited. --ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ColinFine. The debate is around the reliability of the other secondary sources (self-published from subject experts), which I understand is OK based on WP:SPS, but which is being debated. Just thought that logically a third party, totally unconnected to the second and primary ones, would be acceptable, when that tertiary source is quouting the secondary one about the primary source's work (as convoluted as it seems). Doesn't make sense that they can be included talking about themselves, and not about others. Regards, SR SethRuebens (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I am did a mistake on redirection!

It is gone wrong, Wikipedians, making a redirect (Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto) to Vico Sotto, but it goes to Vic Sotto! The another Sotto is on the last. You need to modify it and correct it so it will go to Vic Sotto. I will listen. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707, you appear to have created a redirect at Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, not Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto. It's not clear to me whether that's also an error that needs correction, but I've fixed the first problem of it pointing to the wrong article (although you could have done that yourself). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, i changed my mind. You need to remove (speedy delete) Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, and i will make a correct version, goes to the mayor of Pasig. Rdp060707 (talk) 15:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707,  Done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How to remove false information from a wikipedia page

Hi, We would like to remove false information from a wikipedia page. We have tried several times to change the information and the editor Jacona has blocked any further changes. What can we do to stop this false information? Thank you Mulan.christian (talk) 14:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Mulan.christian:. I'm afraid without information regarding what article you are referring to, and what the problematic content is supposed to be, there is likely very little we can do to help. GMG^talk 14:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mulan.christian Ther have been no edits other than the above message from this account. Also, who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts should be for the use of one single person, never shared or for use by a gorup, company, or organization. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Jacona do you have any idea what is the subject here? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I can only guess, and not sure that would be productive. But I would venture to guess it's someone who wants to remove reliably sourced information they don't like. Mulan.christian, you will have to be more specific if you want any help.Jacona (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

how to change my user name here?

how to change my user name here? ddc (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You asked the same question at WP:Help desk and had an answer there. Please don't waste the time of volunteers by asking the same question in multiple places. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dr.dinesh charan and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Wikipedia:Changing username for full details. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Linking non-existent entry to an existing article

Hello. I wanted to create a page on wikipedia that doesn't exist but I want to create it only as a link to an already existent page on wikipedia. For example a search for Kynast Castle, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Kynast+Castle, should link to Chojnik Castle as it is the same castle just in two different languages, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chojnik_Castle .

Thank you. Aavc86 (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You want to create Kynast Castle as a redirect. See instructions at WP:MAKEREDIR. PAVA11 (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)