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* Probably a bug: [[Rockstar Dundee]] was only moved but had already been tagged with WPVG under its old name. [[User:IceWelder|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">IceWelder</span>]] &#91;[[User talk:IceWelder|<span style="color: #424242;">&#9993;</span>]]&#93; 14:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
* Probably a bug: [[Rockstar Dundee]] was only moved but had already been tagged with WPVG under its old name. [[User:IceWelder|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">IceWelder</span>]] &#91;[[User talk:IceWelder|<span style="color: #424242;">&#9993;</span>]]&#93; 14:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
:*Yeah, bug- the source data often confuses moves with creations, so my script checks the page history for any move tags in the past week to double check. This page had more than 50 edits since the move, so it didn't see it (the script is only checking the first page). --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 15:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
:*Yeah, bug- the source data often confuses moves with creations, so my script checks the page history for any move tags in the past week to double check. This page had more than 50 edits since the move, so it didn't see it (the script is only checking the first page). --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 15:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
::I don’t believe we need a two entry template for the StarTropics series.--[[Special:Contributions/76.67.169.43|76.67.169.43]] ([[User talk:76.67.169.43|talk]]) 17:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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List of PlayStation 4 games incompatible with PlayStation 5

Hi there is a new game list that was created called List of PlayStation 4 games incompatible with PlayStation 5 yesterday. I reviewed it in accordance with WP:NPR and reformatted the list to follow the style of other game lists by the project. However another user raised a concern on the talk page about the necessity of this list. Just wandering if more long term members of the project could review this list to see if it meets the project's guidelines and comment on the ongoing discussion. Thank you! Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 08:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It should probably be kept for now. Sony may have only listed 10 games that definitely won't work (for unknown reasons to us), but to quote Sony: "Although many PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles, some functionalities that were available on the PS4 console may not be available on PS5 consoles. In addition, some PS4 games may exhibit errors or unexpected behavior when played on PS5 consoles." I think it's likely that independent journalists will discover more complete and partial incompatibilities among the PS4's 4000+ game library after the console's release. If that doesn't happen, merge into PlayStation 5#Backward compatibility as a collapsed table. TarkusABtalk/contrib 11:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Should it not be the other way around. There's not enough games to justify a standalone article. If the situation changes significantly we can consider creating an article. — Niche-gamer 10:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yea you're probably right. TarkusABtalk/contrib 10:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for InnerSloth

An editor has asked for a deletion review of InnerSloth. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Right cite (talk) 13:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger discussion - Kaio: King of Pirates

I’m looking for more input on the merger of the game Kaio: King of Pirates.

Please comment here. Anything is appreciated. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 14:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did SCE Japan Studio became SIE Japan Studio?

I was recently editing Patapon (video game) and I noticed that SCE Japan Studio was renamed as SIE Japan Studio. The Official website redirects to SIE Japanese website but nothing confirming it as "Japan Studio" that I can see. Does anyone have any more information on this? I thought SIE was the amalgamation of all of the development teams that are owned by Sony.Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 16:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Most Sony studios are just called "[Location] Studio", including Japan Studio and Santa Monica Studio. I don't know who started the trend here but when there is an article for one such studio, it is prepended with "SCE" as an artificial disambiguator. When Sony Computer Entertainment was renamed Sony Interactive Entertainment, all studio articles were moved from "SCE" to "SIE". The studios themselves were not renamed. Notably, though (~pre 2005), some studios were named e.g. "SCE Studio Cambridge".
Suffice to say, I find the naming scheme of our articles misleading. IceWelder [✉] 17:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unless prevented by another article, all of these studios need to have the SIE removed from their titles because its nether their official name or even really a nickname (outside of Wikipedia that is). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even if there's a conflict they need to be moved to e.g. "Japan Studio (Sony)", we don't disambiguate by throwing an acronym as a prefix. --PresN 19:16, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed.Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 19:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
True, WP:NATDIS still requires for it to be a valid alternate name used by sources, which doesn't seem to be the case. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If everyone is on the same page, I'll be proposing a group name change to all the SCE/SIE studios if they have natural disambiguation.Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 20:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

These articles have natural disambiguation and are not required to have "SIE" or "SCE" in front of the Studio names. If disambiguation is required, we would use based on sources and naming conventions of Wikipedia with "(Sony)" at the end.

Support as nominator.Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 21:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (October 5 to October 11)

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.4 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 19:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Steve (Minecraft)

I was wondering if anyone would like to help the editor AlphaMaltar2005 with Draft:Steve (Minecraft). I'm fairly certain that the character is independently notable, but I think it'd be a good idea for someone from here to help provide guidance. I don't want this to get approved and then get tripped up somehow. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡)

Hmm. I think there is the possibility that this character is not in fact notable. First of all there is a serious lack of reception in the article. It also seems like almost all of his mentions in the gaming media come at the heels of his announcement in Smash Bros. The article claims he is a "gaming icon" but offers no evidence of that fact. He might be notable in the future but I feel like it is WP:TOOSOON. Wikipedia is not to immediately note every newly popular game character, but to mention ones that have been popular for a long, sustained period of time.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I mean, Minecraft is huge, but Steve himself is really just an empty generic avatar in the games, isn’t he? Sergecross73 msg me 12:28, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's no story about Steve. No background to Steve. No character development of Steve. Steve is just the name of the default Minecraft skin. -- ferret (talk) 13:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the above. I can't see a standalone here as we have nothing on development or reception. The Minecraft article does need to be very clear who "Steve" is and obviously the appearance in SSBU is notable of where Minecraft has since appeared, but that's all within Minecraft, not a separate article. --Masem (t) 13:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, a character can be considered notable solely due to Smash. Wii Fit Trainer could be used as an example. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm gonna try to do a re-drafting (rewrite) of the article. While most of the sources do come from smash, they can be used for history, development, and reception if used correctly. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 14:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the key difference is that Steve has only been out a couple days. I doubt Wii Fit Trainer was hitting the notability requirements at that point on their Smash release. Sergecross73 msg me 15:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually really struggling right now. There are so many sites talking about him, but they all say the exact same thing. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 16:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A character wouldn't be notable solely based on the game per WP:NOTINHERITED. It needs to be independently notable. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

People should start with a section on the Minecraft franchise article first before attempting any standalone article. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we would be better off creating an article titled along the lines of "Minecraft player character", covering Alex and fanmade skins as well. This is basically how the Minecraft fan wikis handle this subject as well ([5] [6]). Still, it would be a difficult article to write, even with an expanded scope. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 17:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I started an article about that. I've called it Minecraft Avatar, but any better name will do. If this were gonna try to keep this afloat, it needs so, so much more, and we can merge info from the other article. If this won't work out, hey, we tried. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 12:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Still feels more like a section at Minecraft than a stand-alone article... Sergecross73 msg me 12:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. For now, this will be a side project of mine, to see if the concept works out. I'd appreciate any help. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 13:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a second...

75% + 20% + 10% is 105 percent. Who made the milestones? Le Panini (Talk tome?) 16:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They are more meant to be viewed individually. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:50, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Start+C+B+GA+FA) + (C+B+GA+FA) + (B+GA+FA) = .75 + .2 + .1 = 1.05 —Lopullinen 04:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You both are reading it wrong. If we were to get all the goals at the same time, it would be 10% GA/FA/B, (20-10% "B or better")=10% C, (75%-20% "C or better")=55% Start, leaving (100%-75% "Start or better")=25% Stub. --Izno (talk) 21:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why would you add these? These milestones are additional, so if you have a GA, it's also start or better. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help & Evaluation on Drafts

Hey, I've had two drafts sitting around for a while with barely any editing on my part. These are Draft:Ivysaur and Draft:Pauline (Mario). I created these under the assumption that these are notable figures in gaming history in addition to the idea that these were deserving on their own articles. To be fair, I was still quite new to Wikipedia at the time and didn't grasp the full severity of what I was doing. However, as of recently I've become preoccupied with projects on Wikipedia and real life. So I am asking for help from the community on here, if you have the free time and are more experienced with researching them. Firstly, are these characters notable enough for their own independent articles? I created the articles out of assumptions that they are, however, I feel like more research is needed. If they aren't then we shouldn't commit to them any further and I shall leave them to be deleted in a few months on their own. However, if they are notable enough, then I ask for help into raising the quality of the drafts into becoming article worthy. I should note one key point, though. Both Ivysaur and Pauline appear on other articles as mentions. Pauline appears in Characters in the Mario franchise and Ivysaur in List of generation I Pokémon. In addition, I did make two other drafts for the other Gen I middle stage evolution starters found at Draft:Charmeleon & Draft:Wartortle, I doubt these are as notable as Ivysaur but I felt they were at least worth mentioning. I'm not asking for you to help with this, it's there if you want to look into it. Anyways, I thank you for any help you can give to these drafts, it will help me quite a lot to remove these of my list. Thanks again! CaptainGalaxy 21:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) For what's in the Ivysaur article right now, definitely not notable. Listicles should be avoided if possible, as every single Pokemon is in one listicle or another, but Wikipedia is not a game guide and should feature more relevant real-world reception. It's safe to say that if you are writing an article about the middle of an evolutionary line, you should probably just see if the entire evolutionary line is notable instead, as it's highly unlikely the middle one would be independently notable.
As for Pauline, I'm leaning still no, but it might be a borderline case. It depends how much reception can be found.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Ivysaur will probably be a hard sell for people just because of WP:POKEMON. Pauline, I have no idea, but it could be possible because I feel like I’ve seen some coverage on her in recent years with her revival in recent games like Super Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart Tour. Sergecross73 msg me 00:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello,
Please note that Reader Rabbit, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team[reply]

New Articles (October 12 to October 18)

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.4 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 13:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Yeah, bug- the source data often confuses moves with creations, so my script checks the page history for any move tags in the past week to double check. This page had more than 50 edits since the move, so it didn't see it (the script is only checking the first page). --PresN 15:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t believe we need a two entry template for the StarTropics series.--76.67.169.43 (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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