User talk:Deb

Coming here to ask why I deleted your article? Read this page first...

If that doesn't help, read these FAQs.

1. Why did you delete my page when I hadn't finished writing it?

Answer: Don't create new articles unless you are sure they meet wikipedia's criteria, particularly notability and verifiability. If you want to practice, there is the sandbox facility and Wikipedia:Articles for creation where you can get a second opinion from a more experienced contributor. And if you really can't help yourself, use {{underconstruction}} so other people will know you are still working on it.

2. Why did you delete my page for advertising? I wasn't trying to advertise!

Answer: Read Wikipedia:NPOV for guidance on how to word an article so that it doesn't sound like an advertisement.

3. Why did you delete my page for advertising? It was about a non-profit organisation!

Answer: Non-profit organisations advertise all the time - it's still promotion and the rule applies to them just as it does to commercial bodies. See no 2 above.

4. Why did you delete my article without warning?

Answer: Because you are not entitled to a warning if you don't follow the guidelines. See no 1 above.

5. Why didn't you do a google search and find references for my article and put them in for me instead of just deleting it?

Answer: Because I don't have time to do the boring bits for you. I have enough boring bits of my own to work on, thank you.

6. You have a very interesting view of neutrality. The authors you give credence to have a definite point of view and you discount those that disagree.

Answer: There is of course no answer because this is not a question. It's a snide comment added by someone who doesn't understand the NPOV rule. Possibly a Ricardian revisionist.

And please SIGN YOUR POSTS, otherwise I don't know who is asking me the question!

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Speedy Deletion: Working Bikes

Can I get a copy/access to the page you deleted. It contains no copyrighted material and I would like to have a record of it.

Thank you, User: DHaddonPearson Dhaddonpearson (talk) 03:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

YOU --- Thanks for your message. I don't normally restore promotional content. To help me decide, could you let me know whether there is a conflict of interest, as described in my message above? Deb (talk) 09:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I am not asking you to restore it, I am wanting to get access to the page so that I can make a copy of it. Thank you Dhaddonpearson (talk) 10:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Deb:

"This category lists administrators who have expressed willingness to provide the text of deleted articles, by adding themselves to this category, placing If you need access to a Wikipedia article that has been deleted, ask me. If it's not a copyright violation, libel, or personal information, and has not been deleted as a suspected biographies of living persons violation, I will userfy the article for you.

Note that using the text to recreate any deleted article may automatically qualify them for speedy deletion, and copies of previously deleted content that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion because Wikipedia is not a free web host. We have a list of alternative sites which may be used to host your content.

on their user page, or displaying the userbox shown below."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_administrators_willing_to_provide_copies_of_deleted_articles

If this is something you are unwilling to do that is your choice I can ask elsewhere. Considering you deleted it I figured that it was reasonable to make this request of you.

Dhaddonpearson (talk) 10:59, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Quite reasonable to ask, but I will only restore promotional material in exceptional circumstances. Deb (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion: Qooliv Overseas

Hey Deb,

Hope you're doing great!

I've been trying to update a wikipedia page, but it has been deleted twice on the accounts of promotional activity. Can you kindly help me understand this, as I was not trying to promote anything, intentionally.

Also, please do let me know if it possible to keep the page after removing whatever you think is wrong there?

Thanks! Ddevh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddevhsharrma (talk • contribs) 10:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion: Sam Adeyemi

Dear Deb,

Hatchens advised me to contact you on the above subject, because you actually executed the page deletion. I believe the page Sam Adeyemi meets Wikipedia's notability and verifiability requirements, and that the subject deserves a Wikipedia page, for these reasons:

1. He is one of the most notable citizens of Nigeria. 2. He is an author with many published works. 3. He is an international motivational speaker. 4. He is the founder and pastor of one of the most prominent Nigerian megachurches. 5. Many of his less prominent contemporaries already have Wikipedia pages. 6. Many sources were cited for the article, and many more are available. 7. I believe the Sam Adeyemi page deserves improvement, rather than deletion.

I was doing some research and was quite astounded to find no Wikipedia page on him, hence my decision to work on creating the page. Everything I wrote was based on publicly available information, from many sources. Apart the cited sources, many any others are available and can be provided. I am not connected with the subject in any way, and have no reason whatsoever to promote him or his ministry.

I believe having a Wikipedia page on the subject would be of encyclopedic value, and do hereby request re-creation of the page. Thank you. ProfParochus (talk) 04:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

ProfParochus To begin with, you should be aware that the article was nominated and deleted for being promotional, not for reasons of notability. Even in your "justification" for what you wrote, you have strayed into promotional wording.

1. What evidence can you show for this person being "one of the most notable citizens of Nigeria"?
2. There are many, many people who have "many published works" and are not the subject of Wikipedia articles. The quality and significance of those works is far more relevant than the quantity. Self-published works like Adeyemi's don't count towards notability.
3. Motivational speakers are two a penny.
4. Being pastor of a church you founded yourself is not evidence of notability. What evidence is there that this church is "one of the most prominent" in Nigeria?
5. "Other stuff exists" is not an argument.
6. Most of the sources were duplicated, and several were primary sources.
7. You are entitled to your opinion. In fact, an article on this subject existed previously and was deleted by consensus, after a discussion. Some of those contributing felt that the subject "scraped by" the notability criteria. However, your article did not improve on the original, and was written in a fawning, laudatory manner. Phrases like "with the aim of helping people to realize their life's purpose by impartation of requisite knowledge to discover, develop, release and maximize their hidden potentials" and "with the vision to raise exceptional leaders and managers to transform the world" are not encyclopaedic and don't belong in Wikipedia.

Having read my responses, I hope you understand why the article you wrote was unacceptable. If you care to try again from scratch, please use draft space. Deb (talk) 08:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Deb Many thanks for taking the time to clearly explain what was unacceptable in the article's style and substance. I do understood, and have now accordingly written another draft in my sandbox. Please take a look and give your opinion about it.ProfParochus (talk) 14:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	I hereby award you this barnstar because of your tireless work in chronological articles, adding refs and bringing them closer to compliance with WP:V. I do a little reverting, but you're doing the heavy lifting here! Thanks!!! Elizium23 (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mr. Deb I Realize That You Have Deleted My Article Can You Please Tell Me Why It Was Deleted So It Want Happened Again Please I Just Wanted To Make Articles... From The Ultimate Station — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Station (talk • contribs) 13:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

speedy deletion

I am writing to ask for your help in understanding why the article I submitted on Silicon Sensing was deleted. It is not marketing content. I am not being paid to submit this. Its very basic factual information. I am unsure how to sort this out and would appreciate advice? Thanks PHeleneCox (talk) 14:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure why I need to explain why I am trying again as long as the content is factual? However so you understand, last year I failed to upload a piece on this company - which is local to me. I was quite frustrated so set this to one side. I have some time now so thought I would try to get to grips with this again. If I understand correctly I need to link the content to third party verifiable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PHeleneCox (talk • contribs) 14:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I very rarely write on Wikipedia and have never received any compensation or had any other benefit from it - not even for the recently deleted article about . The article is an almost verbatim translation from the German Wikipedia, where it has never been objected to. The software has relevance - thousands of accountants work with it every day, also in the USA. I don't find it overdone in promotional language, it has many references. How can I improve it so that it is accepted? Maybe remove the links to the xsuite website?Alex Kowalski (talk) 20:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for deletion of my user page. Goodbye Lakshmikanta Manna (talk) 15:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello Deb, I do not know Abimbola personally. I attended a virtual conference with her and Tina Wells. I found Tina's page and thought it would make sense to use a similar format for the other speaker based on the introduction received at Visa. Didn't seem like a promotion for anything or anyone (especially since it was the exact same format). Was it simply the link to the book or something else? Tovies (talk) 04:01, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Question

Happy New Year @Deb:. This referenced entry was deleted early in December 2020: "Some people offered this scholarship have not accepted it, including Alimuddin Zumla, who declined the scholarship as a teenager to study medicine." What is your advice regarding including it?

Please see: The deletion was made by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_ALL2ALLA

Ear-phone (talk) 01:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Thank you for your deep dive and feedback @Deb:. The edit was indeed not made by a sock, but by @Stevenbradley2020: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhodes_Scholarship&type=revision&diff=992571575&oldid=991761423.

I have now found the undergraduate reference you are referring to

Given that one can start undergraduate studies as a teenager and also that one can apply for the scholarship before completing undergraduate studies https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/media/45482/information-for-candidates-zambia.pdf the references citing him declining the Rhodes offer, at that stage of his life, are all consistent.

Would this be ok? "Some offered this scholarship have declined it, including Alimuddin Zumla." Ear-phone (talk) 16:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

References

1924

Thank you for your interest in the Year pages. You have done a lot of useful work. I see that you have reverted my edit on Mahlon Pitney, as not being sufficiently internationally notable. It's a coherent viewpoint and have no problem with it: but you should be aware that all I was doing was making the entry consistent with the entry that he has in Births (in 1858). So, I think that you should delete that entry, or at least move it to the US section of Year in Topic if you think it should more appropriately be there. More or less all of the edits that I make to historic Deaths pages are where the subject already has an entry in Births. Rcb1 (talk) 14:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)rcb1

I agree, it should come out of 1858. I'll see to that. Deb (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your newest edit. I have no problem with your view - I asked myself the question myself. But again I was only making it consistent with the births entry (in 1859). So if you want to delete this, I suggest you delete the births entry, or at least move it to Year in Topic, too.Rcb1 (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)rcb1

I don't have enough time to go back over all the old entries, it has already taken me years to get this far; however, I can ensure that no more are added. Deb (talk) 13:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

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Stop undoing my changes

Hello buddy, stop undoing my changes .. Thank you .. This page will be monitored by me.. I'm paid to do so by by company.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgs job (talk • contribs) 17:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Paid not to read the guidelines? Never mind, it won't happen again. Deb (talk) 18:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

2020

Hi! Thank you for your explanation for the revert on the year article. I was meaning to ask if there's a guideline, essay or discussion regarding the notability criteria used in year articles that I could use as a guide in the future. Many thanks in advance! --NoonIcarus (talk) 01:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Hi Deb. Could you please advise on how I should disclose my conflict of interest? I believed (wrongly, clearly) that I had done this as instructed in the guidelines by disclosing it on my user page. Thank you for your help Ihearttech (talk) 15:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the explanation and for sharing the correct guidelines, I had not realised I had to use the template instead of a written declaration. I really appreciate the help. Ihearttech (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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Featured Article Review for The Country Wife

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Bonsai Empire

Why was the article Bonsai Empire deleted? "Reads like an ad"? Most of the visitors to Bonsai Empire do not purchase anything -- they go for information, mostly free. The quality videos now available are just an added feature of this educational site. Please reconsider.RJBaran (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)RJBaran

You seem to be suggesting that a website can't be advertised, whilst at the same point admitting that things are sold through the website or as a result of its recommendations. You've misunderstood the meaning of "advertising". Deb (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

How can any commercial site then have a Wikipedia article? BTW, while I have contributed a couple of articles to Bonsai Empire over the years, I have never received any renummeration from them. I have had to purchase the ebooks my articles were used in. I am a bonsai historian first published in 1991 -- pre-Internet -- and I have written about all aspects of the topic of bonsai. I have contributed to a number of bonsai-related articles on Wikipedia. RJBaran (talk) 15:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

It's possible to write an article about a commercial website neutrally, without advertising it - see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If you aren't able to do that, we can't include it. Deb (talk) 15:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Can I please get a copy of the deleted article to make necessary changes to -- or do I have to start from scratch? Not all of the article was "advertising".RJBaran (talk) 01:22, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft page: Virgil Riaan Prins

Good day, I trust you are well.

I am contacting you regarding deletion of one of my drafts. I would have hoped that before deletion I would have received a chance to change those phrases that present to be promotional as you have stated.

In the future, please be so kind as to notify a user of such assumed points.

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maudrey702 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have hoped that before editing you would have read the guidelines and made some effort to abide by them. You won't be getting any special favours from me. Deb (talk) 13:26, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

deleted page

hi, you recently deleted an article I was working on. it was my first article and I had spent many many hours creating it. I understood i still had work to do on it and perhaps went about it in not the best way. I am new to wikipedia and very much learning. I understand why it was deleted but would like to keep working on it to make it better and try again. also I found so many references and don't want to lose the many hours it took to find them. is there a way to please restore the page just as a draft so that I can work on it again and make the changes before submitting it again. please let me know if I can have access to it to make it better and to not lose all that work. many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misletoe20 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC) Misletoe20, can you tell me what your connection is with the subject of the article? What made you choose this as your first Wikipedia edit? Deb (talk) 09:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC) yes I heard Justin Kingsley, the subject, talk twice at a conference in montreal and found him extremely interesting. when I was thinking what to write for my first article I was doing some research and noticed he didn't have a wikipedia page. I thought it would be a really good page to make - challenging but interesting. honestly I didn't realise how long and difficult it would be but I want to see it through after all the hours of work I've put into it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.211.131 (talk) 22:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Deb (talk) 08:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

thank you, I replied to your comment on my talk page Misletoe20 (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I replied to your comment on my talk page regarding this article. please can you allow me to have access to this article again as a draft so I can work on it and improve it and so that I don't lose all of the many hours of work it took me to compile. please, thank you Misletoe20 (talk) 16:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

hii Deb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniz_Unay Please could you help me with this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources Say here Editors may also use material from reliable non-academic sources, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include:

University-level textbooks Books published by respected publishing houses Magazines Mainstream newspapers

Ok let's take a look at my resources accordingly 1) file: /// Users / denizunay / Downloads / 6101-14047-1-PB% 20 (8) .pdf Europine Science Peer-reviewed scientific journal published in Europe The article is published by citing his article published by Anadolu Agency. 2) http://revistaestilosdeaprendizaje.com/article/download/2171/3207/ Scientific Paper Study for the European Observatory Committee of Experts Peer-reviewed scientific journal published in Europe The article is published by citing his article published by Anadolu Agency. 3) https://www.trt.net.tr/vizyondergisi/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/mart-2019.pdf State television TRT in Turkey belongs to "TRT Vision" magazine cover his "Game Not Cyberbullying" Cover the warning did. This news operation in the Republic of Turkey News on page 30 was given to the views of the Minister of Education and Minister of Transport. 4) Among my sources were links of organizations that broadcast Mainstream Regularly. Anadolu Agency Takes Jazerá Hurriyet, Milliyet bianet.org independent Turkish Haberturk tribune.co inside and outside of Turkey, such as many reliable sources https://mubasher.aljazeera.net/news/politics/2020/4/12/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%88%D9%85%D8 % A7% D8% AA-% D8% A7% D9 84% D9 85% D8% B6% D9 84% D9 84% D8% A9-% D9 81% D9% 8A% D8% B1% D9 88% D8% B3-% D8% A3% D9 83% D8% AB% D8% B1-% D8% A7% D9% 86% D8% AA% D8% B4% D8% A7% D8% B1% D8 A7 http://tribune.com.pk/story/2208176/8-connection-5g-COVID-19 5) He also has Turkish and English CV's of his own and enough information about himself and his work. Republic of Turkey Ministry of National Education, and I offer resources from other official institutions 6) Erasmus Program Training I presented as a source, https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tech-addiction-poses-mental-physical-threats-expert-150261/ In addition, the Russian National Press has given his views on the Social Media Law Regulation in Russia after the International Conference he attended. https://www.oprf.ru/press/news/2617/newsitem/56156 https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/2020/12/10_a_13394533.shtml 7) One of his articles translated into Vietnamese and published in the entire Vietnamese national press https://ictnews.vietnamnet.vn/cuoc-song-so/tong-thong-trump-mang-xa-hoi-dang-thao-tung-tu -do-ngon-luan-cua-cong-chung-253844.html 8) Self-written and published Children's storybook translated into Turkish and English He wrote a book called Muzip Yaman telling about technology addiction for primary and secondary school children, and it was translated into English with the name Willy Yaman. More resources from all the details are available on Google All of the resources I have provided to date meet all the criteria. He is an author, an educator, his book has been published. Please help me before deleting this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs) 15:23, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

MCI

Hi Deb. Looks like you deleted the Manchester China Institute wiki page I created. Did you see my reply to your query? MCI is an academic non-profit and does not engage in promotion. Instead, it serves Northwest England, an oft ignored region. I am happy do to whatever you require to improve the encyclopaedic content of the entry. cheers, PetePetergries88 (talk) 13:52, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Petergries88 Yes, I did see your comments contesting deletion. Nearly all non-profits promote themselves by any means they can, so it would be surprising if this one didn't. In your case, I think you have an undeclared conflict of interest which needs to be addressed before we go any further. It also looks like you have contributed to an article about yourself and have added numerous promotional links. Have you read the Wikipedia guidelines? I would suggest you do so before you re-draft the article. Deb (talk) 14:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

AmandaMediati

Can user:AmandaMediati please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 15:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Planning Wikimedia Community User Group Kenya

Please restore Planning Wikimedia Community User Group Kenya and move it to either the Wikipedia: namespace or the creator's user-space. Note that its creator has a "new user" template on their user page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Edd Gould

Hi Deb, I placed Edd Gould in 1988 because he was originally put into 1987 which is the incorrect birthyear. I add a reference now. Kingzwest (talk)

2021 in the UK

Not sure if you edit much on the 2021 in the United Kingdom page, but since you're from the UK I thought I'd let you know that earlier today I went on and updated the Deaths section to include missing deaths of people from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - adding people who were up until then missing from that page but were in the Deaths in January 2021 page, among others. Since that opened up more space for images of prominent recently deceased Brits, I went ahead and included many as well, rather than just one, oversized image like it was previously. I updated the overall style and format to bring it in line with the main 2021 page (and several other Year in Topic pages), such as using dates of birth instead of age. It took several hours to complete, only for another user to carpet remove everything I did shortly after, claiming that there was over-link (which if so, then.... why would he not do the same to other pages, including the main 2021 page?). If you are able to, it would be amazing if you were able to help back me up on that page in case attempts were made to mass revert again, and help consolidate the changes made to update the page. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

HOW TO SECURE A WIKI PAGE

Hello Deb,

This is a response to your reply on the above subject "Only administrators can carry out page protection"

Does this mean that the owner of the page cannot manually protect the page and will have to request for protection?

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohndoeACCESS (talk • contribs) 12:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes. And you have to have a very good reason. Deb (talk) 13:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

DP Live

Hi, Deb, I saw what you did here, thanks for that! I think we've had (more than) enough of this, so I've started Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DPLIVE202; I mentioned you there, but I'm never sure how well the ping thing works from those pages. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC) Justlettersandnumbers - Yes, it does work. Deb (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thought

Hi Deb, given their comment above yours here, I wonder whether Ektopia might not need to go the same way as Here for the snacks? --Jack Frost (talk) 09:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

My Page got Deleted, need your Assistance

Hi Deb, I was working on my first Wikipedia page, where I was creating a profile for my client, he is a football player from Thailand and he don't have any page yet. This was the first time for me and I know what mistake I made, I added his personal social profiles and website on the page and that leads me to the advertising violation. That was my first time and unwillingly I made this mistake. I want to make changes on the content and want to publish the page again as it was really a tough task creating a Wikipedia page. Or assist me If I am going wrong somewhere else too. Thanks in advance. - Shivani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamartjr (talk • contribs) 10:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

2401:4900:52B4:4569:8DA2:7EA:FC2E:D539

Can user:2401:4900:52B4:4569:8DA2:7EA:FC2E:D539 please be blocked ASAP for disruptive editing. CLCStudent (talk) 12:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Seldom have I seen a more deserving case! Deb (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Restoration of GeorgeNotFound (redirect)

Hi there! I noticed that you deleted the GeorgeNotFound page, which was a redirect to Dream (YouTuber). Unless the redirect had been edited without me noticing, the page was definitely pointing to an existing page. It was even cited in this Redirects for creation discussion, which eventually led to another redirect being created which targeted the same page as the deleted redirect. I did consider that you might have accidentally deleted the redirect since it had been linking (but not redirecting) to the deleted draft, Draft:GeorgeNotFound, as the redirect had the {{R with possibilities}} template with it. Because of that, and since the redirect was a related topic to the target page, would it be alright to restore the deleted redirect? It would have been impossible that the redirect pointed to the draft in the first place, as article namespace redirects are never supposed to point to drafts. Many thanks and have a nice day! Chlod (say hi!) 09:17, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Chlod, you're right. I didn't look carefully enough at that. Having said that, I don't see much justification for the redirect, since they are not the same person. Had the draft been approved, it would have gone into that space in any case. What am I missing? Deb (talk) 09:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that redirects are allowed to point to related topics (or specifically "Sub-topics or other topics which are described or listed within a wider article."), given that the target discusses a related topic — which is why the {{R to related topic}} template exists, and which is why the redirect created in the AFC (which is also a person) was permitted. The relation of the target page to the redirect is also established (or at least it can be since there are sources which can establish such a relation). As such, I don't see much reason on why the redirect should have been deleted. Chlod (say hi!) 09:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Chlod It only happened because the delete process for the draft pointed me to the "article", which I saw was a redirect, but didn't look closely enough at what it was redirecting to. So yes, the cancellation was for an incorrect reason. But no other articles link to the title, so where is its value as a redirect? Deb (talk) 10:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:R#KEEP, redirects are usually preserved in order to aid future editors when writing articles and would [make] the creation of duplicate articles less likely. Under that same point, it discusses that redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion. Prior to deletion, the redirect had the {{R with possibilities}} template – an indication that an article could be created in the future. Although the draft for the article was deleted, it wasn't deleted due to a lack of notability, but due to G11 (promotional content), which means that the subject still has a possibility of creation. Considering that the subject is likely to be notable some time in the future (since they are closely related to a notable subject, and is receiving media attention themselves), keeping the redirect would be beneficial for links in future articles on related topics (whenever they may be created) or for the promotion of the creation of an article, essentially graduating the redirect into a fully-fledged article. Even if the redirect didn't have incoming internal links, it could have still been linked to on other pages or could have been searched for (e.g. through https://wikipedia.org, which resolves redirects). For those reasons, its value as a redirect might not be visible now, but may be in the long-term. Chlod (say hi!) 10:35, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Something odd

Please compare this which you deleted with this which seems to be an autobiography about a person with the same name. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

2009 Damallsvenskan

Hi, I got a message saying that a few years ago you moved the page 2009 Damallsvenskan to Draft:2009 Damallsvenskan. I could not see this page, so I drafted a new version, using the Swedish Football Association's site as source: Draft:2009 Damallsvenskan. Is it possible to merge the 2 versions?

I got to work on this page because I have a red link to it on a page I'm working on, Manon Melis, which is currently at WP:GAN. Ideally I woul like to remove the red link. Thanks, Edwininlondon (talk) 22:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Susman orange

Can user:Susman orange please be blocked ASAP for vandalism? CLCStudent (talk) 14:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

TPA

Hi Deb. Per these edits, you might want to revoke talk page access for Isandatasystems, whom you blocked earlier. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, done. Deb (talk) 18:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Clayton Howe's Entertainmentx

Deb,

Clayton Howe's Entertainmentx is a podcast that has been around for over three years. He has had, on his show, many guests that do in fact have their own wikipedia pages. I created the page "Clayton Howe's Entertainmentx" has a reference for those interested in continuing their education and connecting the dots of existing wikipedia pages regarding the show. I am confused as to why this page was "Speedy deleted" when "The Joe Rogan" podcast and Anna faris "unqualified" podcast both have pages similar to "Clayton Howe's Entertainmentx" which was deleted. Additionally, I would like to recover my hard work on the page. Please advise.

Thank you 21:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Nicolelong (talk) Nicolelong

Deletion: Vidya Rattan Sharma

Dear Deb,

Hope you are doing great. This is regarding the deletion of page Vidya Rattan Sharma. I believe the page meets Wikipedia's notability and verifiability requirements, and that the subject deserves a Wikipedia page. The article was tagged for deletion for two reasons, at first it read more like an advertisement and secondly, it seemed like a resume.

I have redrafted the article & before publishing it, I would like to take your suggestion on it. Please check the draft here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vidya_Rattan_Sharma

I believe having a Wikipedia page on the subject would be of encyclopedic value and do hereby request re-creation of the page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohitnwi (talk • contribs) 06:59, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I can't see any improvement on the previous version. What is your connection with the subject of the article? Deb (talk) 12:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I am nowhere connected to the person. However, I use to improve & create articles related to the industry. Some changes that I have done are removing the content that looked promotional & adding references to high authority independent news sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohitnwi (talk • contribs) 06:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I've looked at this again. Here are some examples of where you have gone wrong:

1. "He did his schooling diploma from Haryana and completed his Mechanical Engineering and MBA from the University of London." The reference you quoted does not mention where he did his MBA or where his school was.
2. "He was always a scholar in studies and was also the captain of Hockey team in his school and university in India." This is puffery; it's not relevant to the article and is not referenced.

In future, will you please remember to sign your posts? Deb (talk) 09:15, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

DbVisualizer

Hi Deb,

I wrote an article here, based on the Swedish article about Dbvisualizer. You flagged it as advertisement so I would just like some pointers on what to change to make it less so because that was never my intention. I love IT and technology and I do wanna point out what made something be where it is today but of course, it shouldn't be a "selling" article. I don't want that either.

Thank you in advance!

Best regards Magnus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hagelin-Linder (talk • contribs) 13:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Spent a while looking for the "article" - turns out it was just a draft. The original article was deleted twice before I even saw it. The fact that an article exists in another Wikipedia doesn't, of course, mean that it is going to be automatically accepted here. I'm willing to restore the draft, on condition that you can assume me you have no outside connection with the subject of the article. Deb (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Deb, I am indeed an IT-professional, but in another field. I work in IT-security and spend my days (and sometimes nights) monitoring traffic to the networks of banks and other major customers, looking for security threats in real-time. I do not work with databases, which is was DbVisualizer is about. But as a fellow Swede, I am aware of the popularity of the software, hence the original article in Swedish.

I know that precedent is not a big thing with Wikipedians, so automatic acceptance was not expected. But I assume the underpinning principles are the same for all language versions of Wikipedia. Please get back to me regarding what should be modified or deleted for the text to be accepted and not flagged as advertisement.Hagelin-Linder (talk) 09:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Request for some edits on Boadi page

Please can I kindly contact you via mail on some edits concerning the Boadi page HuahiRoyals (talk) 08:37, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

No. Please use the talk page. Deb (talk) 09:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Block

Hi Deb. I reported Ds Abhishek to AIV as a promotion-only account. However, a bot removed my report as stale a few hours later... didn't know that was being done now. Anyway, do you think this user deserves a block for their 3x userpage spamming? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:22, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Oops, forgot the username above... added it. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Drm310 - On the surface, yes. Sorry, for some reason I didn't see this message earlier. Please let me know if they come back. Deb (talk) 15:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

19:42, 20 February 2021 Deb talk contribs deleted page Arielle Kayabaga

I really don't get this, how can one person make a decision to delete an article? And why is there no time to discuss the issue (s)? There are many articles about politicians and I followed a template and style used by an existing published one. I have used, what seems to me, to be neutral language. I have provided references from many different sources. I have done research on the person. The city of London is approaching 500,000 people so it seems a councillor here may have some importance. KenDavison3 (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

KenDavison3 In response to your questions:

1. Only administrators can delete an article, and we do so in accordance with the Wikipedia guidelines.
2. Had you not moved the article out of draft without waiting for a review, you would have received constructive comments from more experienced contributors as to was wrong with it.
3. Please read the criteria for inclusion of local politicians. Most of your references were to primary sources.

You are of course free to request a deletion review, or to start again from scratch, but I would recommend you do so in draft space. Deb (talk) 10:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

This is my first attempt to publish an article. I realized from the start that getting a person published was a challenge thus I spent over a year in draft mode trying to be sure that I was providing a good candidate for publishing. I have read various rules but it seems impossible to follow them all and clearly some decisions are opinions made by one or two people. I'm am trying to learn but we all make mistakes while learning. (it appears I'm good at learning by mistake). I went looking for how to publish the article and it told me to move it, nothing was mentioned about having it reviewed. I would appreciate if you could move this back into my draft area so that I can get it reviewed. The Notability requirements are subjective so I have no real way of determining if this particular person is notable. For example the City of Toronto seems to have 25 notable councillor, many of which seem to have done less than Arielle has. City of Windsor also has councillors which are notable.

You point out that most of my references are to primary sources. This is good isn't it?

Thanks KenDavison3 (talk) 16:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

KenDavison3, Here are some pointers. As far as I can see, apart from a few edits under your old name in 2010-2011, the draft of this article was your first contribution on Wikipedia. Guidelines change over the years, and new editors normally practise a bit with small changes to other articles before trying to create one from scratch. If you had done that, it would have helped you get to grips with the basics. Now tell me if I'm wrong about what happened next.

1. When you first created the draft, this message appeared at the top of the page:

Does that look familiar? It tells you that you have six months to work on the article. It also tells you how to submit it for review.

1. At your first attempt, the draft was deleted as a copyright infringement. You recreated it in draft.
2. After you had neither improved it nor submitted it for review in six months, your draft got deleted, in accordance with procedure, and you requested that it be restored.
3. It was restored, you worked on it a bit more and then decided, despite your previous experiences, that it was ready to publish. Is it really so surprising that it then got deleted again?

You write: "most of my references are to primary sources. This is good isn't it?" No, it's not. References to primary sources are allowed, but they don't help to establish notability because they are not independent. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources.

You ask "I would appreciate if you could move this back into my draft area so that I can get it reviewed." I understand that, but it's not your draft area; it's an area where other people could have helped you with your article. I'll do this, this one time, but I can't guarantee that the draft won't be deleted again, for the same reasons, by someone else. So as soon as it's restored, you'll need to start work on fixing it. It will be here. Deb (talk) 17:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

178.79.32.13

Can user:178.79.32.13 and user:103.225.59.144 please be blocked ASAP for vandalism? CLCStudent (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of a draft

Dear Deb, I am writing to ask for your help to understand why the draft about JumpStory got removed. It is not marketing content and all the information was factual information found in the sources. Could you specify which parts were considered promotional and not objective? And which sources are independent, as these were all found on Google about the company? I am unsure how to sort this out and would appreciate advice? Thank you! Mareglite2021 (talk) 10:44, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Mareglite2021

The Hellenic Initiative

Hi Deb,

I just uploaded a new text for The Hellenic Initiative on my Sandbox. Can you check if it is ok and what is needed to be corrected so that the page gets approved? Is there something else I need to do? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xeni at THI (talk • contribs) 14:59, 22 February 2021 (UTC) Xeni at THI, I see nothing in your sandbox. Deb (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC) Hi Deb! Can you check again? Thank you!

Xeni at THI, it won't pass on notability with only one reference. Deb (talk) 11:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC) I added some more! Let me know what you think. Thank you!

Hello Deb! Would you mind checking my article once more? Before I send it? Any advice is much appreciated! Thank you! Hi Deb! Thank you for replying! Can you help me by telling me what I have to do regarding the conflict of interest? It is all very complicated. How should I declare my conflict of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xeni at THI (talk • contribs) 13:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Undoubtedly they'd re-appear

But I’d be waiting. Thanks for handling that in time & yup! thank goodness they aren’t Einstein's at UPE. Celestina007 (talk) 19:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Just take a look

at this & read the full thread. surely they think we were born last night. Celestina007 (talk) 21:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Apparently they do! Never mind, an appeal like that won't get past first base. Deb (talk) 08:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

FYI

The edits on Post, Iran was an attempt at page hijacking by the user to promote their postage company (it's about a place) - see their edits there. Was a goldlock really necessary? Pahunkat (talk) 10:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC) Pahunkat What would be your preferred solution? Deb (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't really mind to be honest - but I'm keeping an eye on MasoudKamalabad's edits in case they recreate that company page again. I don't see anything wrong with the current revision of that page, I was just wondering if full protection was necessary. Pahunkat (talk) 11:07, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

It's only for a few days. The problem is that the user is already autoconfirmed, which makes lesser protection more difficult - but if he makes one more dodgy edit, I'll block him permanently. Deb (talk) 12:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article under false pretenses

Hello Deb, you recently deleted an article I had written about a local advertising agency. The reason I had written the article is to provide educational information on the company and to differentiate it from a different company with the same name (DM Digital UK). The other DM Digital article has caused a lot of confusion for the agency and I was trying to set the record straight by creating a public, well-informed article surrounding the company. If you could please allow for the article to go under review, that would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minordrew (talk • contribs) 18:19, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

But, Minordrew, it is your own company, isn't it? That's a conflict of interest which you haven't declared. Deb (talk) 19:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I was unaware of how to disclose that information until this morning. I've only had a wikipedia editor's account for a week now. If you enable the draft, I can disclose it at the top using the tag {{Connected_contributor}} mentioned in your linked article. Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Minordrew (talk • contribs) 21:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Would you take a look?

Hey Deb, Happy Friday!

This editor is fresh off a long-overdue block for persistently adding unsourced info. Warnings are a mile long on their talk page history but going back to 2018 the editor knew about WP:DOYCITE, but has persistently ignored not just the DOY guidance but generally adding plenty of unsourced material including these after their block. Here are just some of the recent ones: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Toddst1 (talk) 22:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Toddst1, I'm afraid it's Saturday morning here - but I see someone has already taken the necessary action. Deb (talk) 08:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Aleem Zafar

Hi,

I think you removed everything from the page Aleem Zafar. So here's my two cents on this, apparently what I've noticed everyone over here who rejects or accepts it has a different mindset of criteria to accept or reject the article. For one it might be promising and for others its more like not relevant at all. I've been editing the changes as required and told by the people before. I think this topic is extremely subjective, I've mentioned this before as well that all the sources I provided here are the best news sources from the country the artist belongs from. I've made my research as well, also I think there was a page by this name previously as well. Now you mentioned copyright issue, I doubt that it's a copyright issue. An artist biography on any website is publicly available and can be used anywhere until stated by the person that it should not be used elsewhere, now to add on if anyone rewrites something from references he or she will have to take the persons permission for copyright issue and I assume wiki does not allow this as well due to the fact that the article should be independent and from my research the content written here was firstly written on wikipedia then it was copied elsewhere because a lot of other websites have an old copy of the older wiki article this guy had. Now no matter what with this reason you cannot put a biography in your own special words when all the words used are literally the only ones you can used.

Removing everything was a bit harsh of a reaction I would say & I've no connection to the account you've mentioned earlier yet I can see that person made edits to this article as well. This article was definitely not the one's like you can say has 0 relevance, the guy has worked with several Bollywood actors from what I can see and you can see as well, has his music on different platforms. It's always better to atleast suggest something instead of just deleting it all along.

Thank you, everything I wrote above is with all due respect :) cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiranin69 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Wow, what a coincidence - two people with the same name editing the same draft. Deb (talk) 11:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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Mention

Yo, I mentioned you on User talk:Kiranin69, but it didn't appear to go through for whatever reason I don't think... Either that or I mentioned you three times. If the latter is the case, I apologize for my apparent incompetence. Either way, could you check that out when you get a sec? It's not really important tbh, but the user wishes for you to allow them to recreate the article (again) and does not know how to ping. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 02:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you for everything you have done in response to requests for G11 and other speedy deletions. If there is anything I could improve in terms of tagging pages, feel free to let me know. Jalen Folf (talk) 18:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Jalen Folf, Thank you! You're doing just fine. Deb (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Vetco Electronics deleted for no good reason.

Any reason this was deleted as an advertisement?

The format and style of wording was copied specifically from the Fry's Electronics page. If my draft truly qualifies for deletion, then the Frys page surely does too. Also, you didn't even bother to point out what you considered to be advertisement in that article. Had you done that, I could have fixed it.

What can we do to get that fixed and undeleted?

Thank you. App87k (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)App87k

I see no resemblance between your article and the article on Fry's Electronics. Deb (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion: Omari Salisbury

Hi I'd like to recover the deleted page Omari Salisbury back into a draft so i can fix the issues with it that made it too promotional. Thank you --MAMIjams (talk) 19:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

The page is not intended to be promotional. I have no relationship to the subject other than appreciating his work. There are a lot of references and research in that draft that I don't have saved elsewhere and I would really appreciate being able to work off of that draft rather than having to re-research and enter all those sources again. --MAMIjams (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you so much and thanks for the tip! --MAMIjams (talk) 17:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC) (talk) 17:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion: SaberZ

Good night Deb,

I started my page a few years ago and it got deleted due to promotional activity last year. I tried to recover it but apparently the person i was discussing with simply ignored me, so i created it again today, removing anything that could be seen as promotion, but you've deleted it again, even though there's nothing promotional on the page.

Please, could you kindly help me understand what's wrong or what information is promotional? Maybe i just missed something. I already explained that any promotional activity on the page was totally unintentional, and i obviously do not wish to use wikipedia for advertising.

By removing whatever promotional activity left on the page (which i highly doubt there's any), is it possible to please get it back? 🥺

Thank you 😊

Joseefitness (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey deb, thank you so much for replying!

Yes, i have - a couple of times, and i still don't know what's wrong since i removed everything but two sentences in the introduction.

About my username, it's just the username i use for any website or social media. Is it relevant? (Asking because wikipedia doesn't ask you to create a specific form of username)

Edit: Well, i think i forgot to remove the external links from the draft. I had a backup copy of it and the only thing i removed was the promo part in the introduction/biography before creating the draft again, and i totally forgot about that section since it's at the bottom of it. I'm so sorry about this. Will fix it

Thank you 😊

Joseefitness (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey deb!! hope you are doing great!!

Yeah, no worries, it's just the username i use for literally everything. I basically came up with it years ago and it's just my normal name "Jose" together with "fitness", because i work out lol.

Regarding to the draft: so is it all sorted out? Can i create it again, with everything fixed, or should i wait for you to restore it?

Thank you!! And it's okay, you receive a lot of messages every day so i know it can be frustrating replying to everybody :)

Joseefitness (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey deb! Thank you so much for the advices. I spent some time yesterday reading other musicians wikis and now i have a pretty good idea of everything in general, and how to do it.

Yes, i might have forgotten to delete it from the wiki code before starting the page. Is there any way to delete it? I tried yesterday, because i didn't understand why it showed up again, until i noticed it was on the top of the page, and now it won't let me remove it from the code. Any solution to this?

Thanks!!

Joseefitness (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey deb! thank you so much for deleting the speedy deletion from the draft. I'm gonna start working on it from now on.

Once i get some work done, would you give me feedback about how is it going? If i'm going in the right direction. Would appreciate it :)

Joseefitness (talk) 22:25, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Praxidicae

Praxidicae is spam advertizing a website Thedefender35 18:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. Deb (talk) 18:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Creation of new page for Briggs Equipment UK

Hi Deb,

Hope you are well?

In January 2021, you marked a draft for Briggs Equipment UK for speedy deletion as it was written in a promotional style. After reading through your feedback and the Wikipedia article guidelines, I have redrafted the copy text ready for it to be submitted.

However, on the article wizard tool there is a prompt to contact yourself before proceeding with the submission, so I would be grateful if you could confirm the correct process for resubmitting this page?

Many thanks for your assistance. TP1992BriggsEquipment (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Esmaa Mohamoud article

Hi Deb. I see you tagged the Esmaa Mohamoud article with the orphan, advert, and citations tags. It looks pretty well cited to me, and I don't read it as an advertisement. I removed the orphan tag as it has been linked in 4 articles. Would you object if I remove the other 2 tags? Could you say why you added those? Thanks. (I put this note on the article's talk page, but it looks as if you may not be responding to messages sent to your user ID. Sorry if this is repetitive. --Unionpearl (talk) 00:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC) Unionpearl It's hard for me to remember what I did yesterday, let alone two years ago. However, reading it over again, I can see why I tagged it for promotional language. It still reads as if it was written by the subject's PR team. Deb (talk) 09:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Peter Gries page

Apologies, Deb, that I was unaware of the COI issue on the webpage about me that my former employer created years ago that I recently updated. It was out of date. It looks like the issues are "cleanup" and "neutral point of view." I can remove most of the lengthy "articles" section to keep things more concise/clean and reduce any appearance of promotion. Anything else you would like? Petergries88 (talk) 10:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

listen to me please

The point of Wikipedia is to provide information lmao this site is useless without google so don't use that as a reason for why my page is irrelevant. Wikipedia is supposed to help provide info and help Google. I'm not trying to start shit but you need to understand that you need to base your arguments on something not an opinion. Thedefender35 15:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

based opinions

ok first off an encyclopedia provides information for people to look people, things, words up which WITHOUT GOOGLE wouldn't be happening. please don't play the admin card either dude I am trying to tell you that your argument is non based and there is no reasoning behind it. Also the Wikapedia guidelines state that Wikipedia is written largely by amateurs. Those with expert credentials are given no additional weight. Wikipedia is also not subject to any peer review for scientific, medical, or engineering articles. One advantage of having amateurs write in Wikipedia is that they have more free time on their hands to make rapid changes in response to current events. The wider the general public interest in a topic, the more likely it is to attract contributions from non-specialists. stating that i do not have to listen to you say that this is "advertisement" or "irrelevant". Thedefender35 15:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, you do have to listen to me. Deb (talk) 16:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

ummmmmmm i am on your talk page?

what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedefender35 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion:Chinese Rainbow Network

Hi Deb, The Chinese Rainbow Network I created was marked Speedy Deletion because I added a few external links for the said organization in good intention of providing useful information to the readers, also it was my fault that I wasn't completely finished the article when I first created. Since it was marked as Speedy deletion, I already removed the external link section to avoid the impression of promotion (it's not), and I added extended contents about the organization's history. Yet, it was deleted right the way. I am here petition for the recovery of the article, if you disagree, can you get me a copy of the deleted contents? Thanks. YNOT at the Movies (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The fact that this article was put on Speedy deleted reflects the systematic bias from the Wiki editors. The definition on notability is defined from the perspective of white/English-speaking perspective. If an article addresses a non-English speaking organization but little known to the group of editors, then despite the fact that this organization has a tremendous impact on a large population way more than a local gay men's choir, it will be put on speedy deletion list. The large amount notable evidences for my article's subject isn't on mainstream media (although I didn't have time to locate the link from WSJ's coverage of this organization I wrote about a few years back), I doubt any of those wiki editors have ever come across when they put this under speedy deletion, and it's not as easy as you can cite with an url or a book in this social media age (which is why I didn't include them at the first place). I have no conflict of interest in writing this article and honestly I have been reluctant to spend time to protest the systemic bias from the wiki editors. I think my keeping silent will continue to prolong this trend. It's totally unacceptable! But to be on the record, I want my protest to be heard. YNOT at the Movies (talk)

Ynotswim, We're all aware of this as a potential problem, but your protest would have more meaning if you had made the effort to find some sources to support your contention that this organisation had some notability. We have the guidelines in order to reduce the danger of bias, and the fact that you "didn't have time" to go and find sources, as other people do, suggests that it wasn't that important to you, which effectively nullifies your argument. Deb (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Deb, When I said I didn't have the time perhaps I chose the wrong word which might be misleading. What I really wanted to say was that I found the subject has great merit to have an entry for people who seek information about it, but I didn't have the time at the moment of writing up the article to dig out the so called mainstream media coverage to fit the notability test, because I am just like any volunteer on Wikipedia by doing this at spare time. It's also because it's way harder for an organization whose mainly actives are on a non-English speaking platform but operate in the US and beyond that doesn't have the traditional "coverage" as newspapers or TV coverage that can be easily cited (I do remember there was a WSJ profile story, but I didn't have their subscription in order to access their archives to come up a citation). Here is an example, you have to have an account in order to access contents on 微信公众平台, yet almost every Chinese speaking individual (that's more than a billion people) has one, but I cannot easily link to any coverage to contents on it. I protest the systematic racial bias is because the root of the problem is the so-called rules for creating a new article against writing entries about organizations like this. It makes the writers much harder to create an article that overs a non-white non-English speaking subject and it's much easier for the editors to delete one. It does have dire consequences - it prevents people like myself from creating entries for years so I don't have to spending time to argue why an entry should not be deleted. Your comment implying me didn't try harder is similar to the tactics in voter suppression which set up rules to make it harder for minorities to vote and blaming them not trying hard to prove themselves who can vote. It's time to make some changes! It's 2021 already! YNOT at the Movies (talk)

I don't understand what you mean by "I cannot easily link to any coverage to contents on it". Deb (talk) 17:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

BTW, "systemic" and "systematic" are two different things. Deb (talk) 17:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Deb, That's because you view contents on a phone's app, instead of a URL you can cite. If the article I wrote were not marked as Speedy Deletion, I would have more time to get the other citations needed to meet the "notability" requirement. But, no, it's gone less than 24 hours before I could even save a copy of the contents I wrote because I didn't expect it would have such a fate. If each CRN's post can reach tens of thousands of Chinese-speaking LGBT individuals, if it have dispersed scholarship to LGBT students for years, and if it organized numerous webinars to support the Chinese LGBT community, and you tell me that this organization is not fit for Wikipedia's notability test than any of these organizations?! It clearly reflects the systematic racism on Wikipedia. It's time to stop the racism on Wikipedia and stop Asian hate in the society! YNOT at the Movies (talk)

Next time, use the draft facility to create a new article and you will get constructive criticism from more experienced contributors and are less likely to get your article deleted. Drafts don't get deleted for lack of notability, only for advertising. Deb (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Deb, That's precisely my point that the speedy deletion is completely based on one editor's biased judgement as advertising then the article is immediately removed by another editor without even reading it, or perhaps read it but with also biased opinions. The message you sent to me only made me believe that the real reason for the deletion is due to notability because it's not an advertising by any means. I do not advise for anything or anybody, and I only contribute to wikipedia on my spare time for the good to the general public to access information. Yet, I am constantly frustrated by the arrogant attitude from the racially biased Wikipedia editors. Why not send that article back to draft stage and add more constructive comments as you suggested? Instead, it's deleted immediately. YNOT at the Movies (talk)

Why not start it in draft space? And why do you think that it's "completely based on one editor's biased judgement"? No one places those tags or carries out the deletion without reading the article, so it was based on the judgement of at least two people in this case. The bias is all on your side because you want to believe that you wrote a good article. But the truth is that you didn't. If you want to contest it you can always go to a deletion review where other editors can give their opinions as well. Deb (talk) 08:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Deleted page Justin Kingsley

Hello, I had written to you some weeks ago regarding a page that you deleted. I was still working on it and wanted to improve it and it was a huge amount of work - particularly to find all the references. Please can you allow me to keep working on the page to change and improve it. I want to get better at this but also don't want to lose all that I have already done. If I can have access to the article I can change it and make it a better article. Thank you very much Misletoe20 (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC).

Zeeshan Khan

I think you gave Zeeshan Khan (squash player) a PC protection by mistake. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Tbhotch - It was deliberate, as the spammer had been there and is probably still active. Deb (talk) 08:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I asked because you also gave it an indef semi-protection and having both of them set indefinitely is redundant. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to lift either of them. Deb (talk) 09:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Business Telecommunications Services

Hi Deb, thank you for your comment. I displayed the COI as a sign of good practice, but I feel you undid my work without reading the page? You claim my sources are internal, they are all external and from press articles. You claimed it was promotional, when in reality what I did was eliminate bias from the original page in spanish, that was immediately approved when I did so, and then translated the unbiased version. My COI is minimal, I work for another company and temporarily I'm checking on other companies from my city to make sure that there is a version of their pages in english when they are international. The only "promotion" here is trying to make as much information from this area of northern Spain available. Please, I need to find my article again so I can fix it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pupypau (talk • contribs) 11:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Pupypau, please read the guidelines on advertising to which I referred you. Don't try to create new articles until you have some experience. Deb (talk) 12:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Debt, I had already read them since I've spent since November working on my first article. It's been deleted without meeting the speedy deletion criteria. Since you deleted it, I can't even check to see if I find what you are talking about. If it meets the criteria in other wikipedia languages, why you decided it doesn't in english? the page talked about: What kind of company it is. It's history. The type of products they managed since it's an huge industry and telecom doesn’t mean anything anymore. The technology it uses. The associations it participates in. I've spent months learning about the telecom industry and reviewed similar international companies and worte the article in the same fashion. Could I at least recover the text to review it? It has the companies history, since it is history it cannot be biased and now I have no way to access it... Thanks,.

Pupypau, if you keep insisting that you, with your very limited experience, know better than an administrator, I don't see why I should engage with you any further. Deb (talk) 12:51, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear deb, I'm not fighting to see who knows more, this is not personal. I'm asking for my text back to review it. You are listed on the page of moderators that are willing to give deleted articles info to users, furthermore, in the deletion policy it's stated that I can request access to a copy of my deleted article:

"Any user with a genuine reason to view a copy of a deleted page may request a temporary review (or simply ask an administrator to supply a copy of the page). Note that these requests are likely to be denied if the content has been deleted on legal grounds (such as defamation or copyright violation), or if no good reason is given for the request."

My genuine reason is I don't have a copy of the page, and it is of my creation, not an edit from another user and that has factual information that I'd like to recover in order to be able to review the article and learn so I can participate in the future.

I don't restore promotional content. And please, please get into the habit of signing your posts. Deb (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Deb, the content was not promotional. The speedy deletion criteria also states that it has to be on the grounds of "Unambiguous advertising or promotion material". I don’t see how can you claim that about a company's history, the organizations it participates in and so on... I accept that I have to review my text and learn, in order to be able to perfectly meet the wikipedia guidelines as much as it's possible, but I don't accept the claim that my article was "promotional" because that is simply not true: According to wikipedia: "Promotion (marketing), one of the four marketing mix elements, comprising any type of marketing communication used to inform or persuade target audiences of the relative merits of a product, service, brand or issue" The page you deleted didn't mention product or service attributes, in fact, I had deleted all qualifying adjectives from the spanish draft. My claim, I insist, is not personal. I made a thorough work and I want to be able to review and improve it.

Pupypau, Another experienced user warned you that the page was promotional and advised you to confine yourself to Spanish wikipedia because of your poor English. I will not be answering any further comments you may add to my Talk page. Deb (talk) 13:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Debt, english is my first language, that experienced user was referring to my own request of deleting a draft that was made by mistake so she was replying to my own personal request and my own deletion tag. Please stop trying to discredit me because not "experienced in wikipedia" means nothing in the real world and means nothing regarding my english or my bias. I will now proceed to report your abuse of power and your rude replies to several users, I guess being experienced on wikipedia doesn't mean being professional.

Good faith and newcomers Main page: Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers It is important to be patient with newcomers, who will be unfamiliar with Wikipedia's culture and rules, but may nonetheless turn out to be valuable contributors.

"A newcomer's behavior probably seems appropriate to them, and a problem in that regard usually indicates unawareness or misunderstanding of Wikipedian culture. It is not uncommon for a newcomer to believe that an unfamiliar policy should be changed to match their notion of how things should function, especially if they notice that there is already some level of disagreement over the policy in question. Similarly, many newcomers want to have their contributions to articles accepted without question, especially those which pertain to subjects on which they have extensive knowledge. Behaviors arising from these perspectives, while possibly misguided, are usually not malicious and should not be treated as such. Many new users who lack an intuitive grasp of Wikipedia customs are gradually brought around, once the logic behind these customs becomes clearer to them." "Thus, any edit that is not deliberately unconstructive was not in "bad faith", even if it turns out to be unconstructive. The following things are not "bad faith":

Honest mistakes Errors Poor judgement or lapse in judgement Misunderstanding of Wikipedia policy Misunderstanding another editor's comments Getting too emotionally involved in an article or discussion A typo or misspelling, even if it changes the meaning of the sentence Incredibly poor grammar"

"Keeping that in mind may help you avoid becoming a "biter". To avoid being accused of biting, try to:

Don't Remove, Improve. If something doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards, try to fix the problem rather than just remove what's broken. (Nothing stops new contributors from coming back like having all their hard work end up in the bit bucket.) Avoid intensifiers in commentary (e.g., exclamation points and words like terrible, dumb, stupid, bad, etc.). Moderate your approach and wording. Always explain reverts in the edit summary, and use plain English rather than cryptic abbreviations. Avoid sarcasm in edit summaries and on talk pages, especially when reverting. Strive to respond in a measured manner. Wait, i.e. calm down first. Be gracious. Acknowledge differing principles and be willing to reach a consensus. Take responsibility for resolving conflicts. Reciprocate where necessary. Listen actively. Avoid excessive Wikipedia jargon. When linking to policies or guidelines, do so in whole phrases, not wiki shorthand. Avoid deleting newly created articles, as inexperienced authors might still be working on them or trying to figure something out. Even the most well written and helpful deletion template message may seem frightening or unwelcome to new users. Consider writing a personalised message. Don't fill the page with maintenance templates or join a pile of people pointing out problems. Having multiple people tell you that you did something wrong is unfriendly and off-putting, even when each individual comment is gently phrased and kindly intended. Avoid nominating user talk pages for deletion. Standard welcome or warning messages are both cordial and correcting. Consider using these templates for welcoming, or the first two here for warning."

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, and then ask me or another editor to proofread it. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

Year articles

Hi! Excuse me, I was wondering if events had a similar criteria to those of people, if not the same, for inclusion in year articles. Best regards! --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker), @NoonIcarus, I’m not Deb, but the blanket answer to your question is “yes” events are notable if they satisfy WP:GNG. See WP:EVENTS. Celestina007 (talk) 21:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Sorry for the late response, hi! Many thanks for the response. My question is related to the format of year specific articles. From what I gather, a convention for including people in them is to check if the article has reliable sources as references, if the person already in the relevant Year in Topic articles and in how many languages does the person have an article. I was wondering if a similar criteria applied for events, or if there were important differences. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

NoonIcarus, in general, events should be treated the same as people. Deb (talk) 12:08, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Understood, many thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Karl Lillrud

Well, well, yuck. There appears to be a long ugly history. I will let the Checkusers and sockpuppet clerks decide who to list as the master account. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

April editathons from Women in Red

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Recidivist copyvio

Hi Deb. Yet another user I reported to AIV was removed by MDanielsBot, similar to a separate user I contacted you about last month. This one is Nawzad Shekhany, who reposted copyvio content on his userpage (x2), user talk page, sandbox and draft. I believe they're deserving of a block.

I'm really getting frustrated by AIV. I don't take reporting users there lightly, so it's frustrating to see a bot deleting reports without any admin having evaluated it. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:40, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Have you asked User:Mdaniels5757 to turn it off? Deb (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I could, but it looks like it was approved for use last year in response to this ANI thread. I'll talk to them and see if there's a way I can request that it either be turned off, or the threshold time extended. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Drm310 - 4-8 hours seems way too short to me. Deb (talk) 09:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

MDaniels5757 has been inactive for the last two months. I decided to post my concerns here: Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#Concerns about MDanielsBot and AIV. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

No conflict of interest

Hey Deb,

I confirm with 100% certainty there is no conflict of interest between me and the article. My name is Sara Gentile. I am not associated to this company in any shape or form. Therefore, there is no conflict of interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kindindubai (talk • contribs) 08:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Komito Analytics

Hi Deb, could you please review my article? I am asking because I saw that you deleted a page with the same name a while ago. Thank you in advance, Carolyn Hodges (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Year in ... articles

Hi Deb,

You asked me on my talk page to gain consensus for it, but I'm not sure where I would gain consensus as there are thousands of pages like that.

Thanks, Noah ^💬 12:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	You have the patience of a saint when it comes to dealing with people creating promotional articles about themselves. You explain to them what went wrong and provide fair suggestions. Thank you making Wikipedia a better place. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

MfD Question

I noticed that you deleted Draft:Abhiram_KB linking to the MfD page in the reason, was that meant to be a CSD? — csc^-1 17:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Arccosecant, Sorry, should have been a G11. Deb (talk) 17:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Deb, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! History DMZ (HQ) † (wire) 02:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Deb, I need your help since it its my first time :)

Hi Deb, I recently open a new company page- Identi medical. I tried to write it as informative as I know, and after I've finished, I sent it to preview to get feedback from you guys (As the instructress guide me). But sadly today I received a note from you saying it's an advertisement. So first I apologized but it wasn't my intention at all!. I see all the time pages on Wiki describing different types of companies, I want to do the same. If there are sentences that may look like an advertisement, I'll remove them, but please don't cancel the entire page, how can I avoid writing certain facts (which I know are true) that you consider advertisement if I can tell the difference? When I submitted the draft to review, I thought I will get comments and be able to make the requested adjustments. I read all the guidelines you have, but it's hard to understand all the rules without any assistance on a live example. Please advise me. (Orlorl (talk) 13:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)) orlorl

/* Later life */ correction to the erroneous claim that Angela Myers was Terry Thomas' sister-in-law.

I see that you have undone my correction to the article on Norman Josiffe. The sister-in-law information is completely erroneous. Norman V. Josiffe/Scott was married to Angela Mary Susan Myers, she had one sister, Maria Louise Myers, who was not married to Terry Thomas. Terry was married in 1938 to Ida F. Patlansky/Stern and in 1963 to Anne E. Cunningham. The suggestion that he was Norman's brother-in-law comes from the author of 'A Very English Scandal' who suggested that Terry-Thomas' wife was 'Belinda Myers', sister of 'Sue' (Angela Mary Susan Myers) wife of Norman Scott. Author John Preston's information about this is incorrect. Norman Scott is not referenced in Terry Thomas' biographies, so the information given in the wikipedia article for Norman Josiffe comes from a novel and a tv adaptation (that includes the information on Wikipedia about the speech given by Norman's father-in-law at the wedding) rather than reputable sources. Surely this does not meet any Wikipedia criteria for acceptable sources; can we please edit the article to give reliable information.

How do you expect me to reply to you if you don't sign? Deb (talk) 09:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not really interested in a reply, just in seeing the Norman Josiffe page reverted to facts, rather than spurious claims based on a novel.Saint Michael 2010 (talk) 10:01, 31 March 2021 (UTC)