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My IP address was blocked

My IP address was blocked for no clear reason, or no chance to reveal my issues and intentions. I cannot even send them any messages. This is my IP address (165

Bushra Tughar (talk) 20:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bushra Tughar, welcome to the Teahouse. I reverted a link added to your message by an IP - not sure what's going on there, since you say you're IP blocked. You appear to be able to post here using your account. You're blocked on ar.wiki; are they the ones who've blocked your IP? There's nothing we can do about it on English Wikipedia, if that's the case. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

is it possible to write in English her on this site, and then publish the article in more than English language?



Bushra Tughar (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bushra Tughar, English Wikipedia only hosts articles written in English. Other language Wikipedias host articles written in those languages. You can use whatever language you like in draft space as you're working on an article, either translating to or from English (or the local language), but once you go to publish, it must be in the language appropriate for the wiki you're publishing on. You cannot write an article here and then somehow get it published on ar.wiki, if that's what you're asking, no matter the language. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the IP address changes all the time. There should be a way to challenge the block.Cwater1 (talk) 23:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1 Some IP addresses change frequently, and some don't. Mine seems to stay the same for a month, then change to something else for six months, then three months (kind of at random). Mine is cable internet, but my old DSL used to do about ths same. David10244 (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Redirect for "Raj Mehta'

Hi. I searched about film director Raj Mehta but his Wikipedia page is redirected 1 to movie Good Newwz. I think he is now notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page. He has directed hit movies like Good Newwz, Jugjugg Jeeyo and Ajeeb Daastaans. He also wrote the dialogues of Good Newwz. Previously he assisted in movies like Badrinath Ki Dulhania and Kapoor & Sons. He was also nominated by Filmfare Awards for Best Debut Director. My question is how do we remove the redirect? Thanks. Fifthapril (talk) 05:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@fifthapril: for a person to have an article, they must be notable by wikipedia standards. this means that you must at least two or three have reliable sources that cover the person significantly. directing and assisting in movies, and being nominated for awards, means nothing for wikipedia notability if there are no sources that document those events. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 05:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Lettherebedarklight. Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. I asked the question because the person is notable now and we can find reliable sources. A few of them are here 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Thanks. Fifthapril (talk) 06:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@fifthapril: none of your sources prove raj mehta's notability. note that interviews do not contribute towards someone's notability, as they are not independent.

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
1	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
2	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
3	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
4		? moot	article is mostly about the film, only mentions raj mehta as the director of the film and his role in dharma productions and good newwz	✘ No
5	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
6	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
7	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
8	is an interview with the subject	? moot	? moot	✘ No
9		? moot	talks about raj mehta only as the director for selfiee, and his announcements about it	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 08:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight Thank you for the assessment. There are more references available and will share it. Thanks again for the feedback. I appreciate it. Fifthapril (talk) 07:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Tips and help needed for new article

I have started an article in my userspace draft called Race and transportation in the United States, which is about a major issue that continues today. What tips can I receive to improve it? I will add more sources. Fastfoodfanatic (talk) 16:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Fastfoodfanatic, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have to say that this draft sounds more like an essay than an article in an encyclopedia. It is full of unsourced, WP:POV statements.

Asparagusus (interaction) 19:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

There are numerous sources for your claim about highways, e.g. U.S. freeways flattened Black neighborhoods nationwide (Reuters). Also, this issue is mentioned in Interstate Highway System#Impact and reception.

I'm not addressing whether this is suitable as an article or not, you'll need to take a neutral point of view and not cherry-picking sources to support your personal belief, e.g. you should not avoid incorporating material that supports the idea that minorities benefited from these transportation improvements. Fabrickator (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Fastfoodfanatic:, I have a tip for you, concerning the article title. This is not a pressing issue, as if there's an issue with the title, it can be resolved later, after the article is developed. Nevertheless, Wikipedia's article title policy says this:

The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles.

The issue I have with the current title, is that the first thing I thought of when I read your proposed article was the Montgomery bus boycott, but scanning your article, the boycott wasn't even mentioned, and doesn't really seem to fit with what you have in mind, either. (On the other hand, I can't read your mind, so perhaps you do plan to include it.)

The current title seems to insufficiently meet the "distinguish" clause based on current content. Looking at your article, I'm guessing that what you have in mind is something more like, "Race and transportation planning in the United States", but I'm not really sure that's it, either.

What I recommend that you do, is to make a list of as many possible titles you can think of, and head over to Google Scholar; do a search for each one of them, and compare the result sets. Whichever one has results which seem to be the most relevant to your chosen topic compared to the other queries, is likely to be the best title (to a first approximation, at least). For example, here's a Scholar search for race and transportation planning – how do they look? Keep trying other ones, and compare. If you want more tips, ping me from the Talk page of your Draft. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Governor Clay

I'd like to know how I can replace the photo on my Wikipedia page with one that's more recent. Last of the Big Time Spenders (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Governor Clay - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

You can upload a photo that you own, or have publishing rights to, to the commons. Then I suggest you go to the article Talk Page, state your conflict of interest, and suggest why you believe a different image would better serve readers. The fact is, images in a biography should be relatively recent, but they should not necessarily be updated constantly to reflect "better" or more recent images. The current image is at least 8 years old, though. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. To disagree slightly with Pyrrho: it is not enough that you own the photo: in order to upload it, you must either control the rights to it, or get the rights-holder to carry out the procedure described in donating copyright materials. You are unlikely to control the rights to a picture of yourself unless it was a selfie, or you have a contract or other legal document specifically assigning the rights to you. ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, Last of the Big Time Spenders, the copyright of a photograph usually belongs to the photographer, not the subject. If you can get a friend/relative to take a picture and upload it at commons:Special:UploadWizard, it’s fine (but they have to agree to the licensing stuff, not you). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Neopronouns

Is there any Wikipedia consensus/guideline/essay/MOS about usage of neopronouns? I searched through MOS and essays but I couldn't find anything about neopronouns. Roostery123 (talk) 08:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

If there is, it would be somewhere in the MoS or known to the people who are most interested in the MoS. So the best place to ask would be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. -- Hoary (talk) 09:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

According to MOS:GENDERID, When the subject of the article identifies with neopronouns, the pronouns should default to singular they. I wish this were written a bit more clearly, but I think this means that Wikipedia articles should use singular they instead of neopronouns. CodeTalker (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

There is a current RfC on neopronoun usage at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity#Neopronouns. Thatbox (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I just added that clause in the MOS after searching for articles of people with neopronouns and various article-specific discussions in the past. But it turns out I should have made a proper RfC(though somebody else already did). Roostery123 (talk) 14:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Re:Page AmirMehdiKazmi

Dear Teahouse, Can I request the update for the page created by me. when it will be published and if I need to do any more edit Page is AmirMehdiKazmi AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 08:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi, there is no chance of Draft:Amir Mehdi being accepted in its current state, at it cites no sources. Maproom (talk) 09:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually it does. There's a list at the end. But, AmirMehdiKazmi, which part of the draft can be found where among these listed references? -- Hoary (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You have had feedback at Draft:Amir Mehdi and at your user talk page. Please also read the advice against trying to write an autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

All the reference link are working you can click and check , can you please pin point exaclty what I need to due to get this page accepted. AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 09:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi I would also suggest that you read about how an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. You offer references, but they are not in-line with the text. Every substantive statement about a living person must have a source. Please read Referencing for Beginners if you wish to proceed, but my advice is that you abandon attempting to edit about yourself and allow an article about you to be organically developed by independent editors that take note of your career in independent reliable sources with significant coverage of you. Go worry about your career, and less about a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

this article is not for myself. My name is Nagma Amir. how do I contact independent editor and if there is a charge for this AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not charge for anything. If you are not Amir Mehdi, you should not use his name as your username. Please change your username by visiting Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a request. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks. I have requested the name change.

How do I request independent editor for edit of my page AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested Articles is severely backlogged. You may continue to edit the draft, but you must improve the sources and apply them to statements in the article as I say above. What is your connection to Mr. Mehdi? 331dot (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Amie Mehdi is my father AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You need to learn how to incorporate your list of references into the text. When you do that properly, the software automatically inserts a ref number in the text and puts the numbered references under References. See Help:Referencing for beginners. For first time editors, I recommend using your Sandbox to format refs, then copy into the article after. David notMD (talk) 10:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

In Early life and education, Legal career and Personal life, I deleted a lot of content that does not belong in the article. All remaining content needs to be referenced. The remainder of the article needs a lot of work. Insert the references where they belong, and delete any content that cannot be referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Here and on your Talk page, answer 331dot's question about your connection to Amir Mehdi, as you appear to have a lot of knowledge about him that suggests a personal connection. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Last, most of your proposed references confirm that he wrote books, stories, speeches, etc. NONE of this contributes to establishing his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Same for the descriptions of his actions vis-a-vis Kashmir. Unless you can add references for what people have published ABOUT him, there is no potential that this can be an article. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Article on Radical Empathy

Hi! I wrote an article on radical empathy yesterday and it was declined because of no wish for neologisms. However, when deciding to write the article, I found another article on radical compassion, and thought an article on radical empathy would therefore also be suitable. Furthermore, the article is not just a term or definition, it is also an overview of different understandings of the term. I am wondering why the article on radical empathy is not considered suitable while the article on radical compassion is. Thank you for your help:)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Radical_Empathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_compassion Amstall (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

First off, the fact that there is a similar articles counts for nothing. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Secondly, your draft says Radical empathy is a term coined by several people... There is no clear consensus on the meaning of the term. This alone signals its failure to meet Wikipedia's standards. You first need to find significant coverage in reliable sources completely independent of the topic. See WP:YFA. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Amstall, and welcome to the Teahouse. Radical compassion is a seriously weak article, because it has no independent sources, and I have tagged it accordingly. However, there do seem to be a few academic sources for the concept, so it is possible that it meets Wikipedia's requirements for notability, and I have not nominated it for deletion. It needs somebody to go in and look at the sources, and make sure that it is a summary of the independent writing about the subject, not simply reporting what the inventor of the term said about it.

Draft:Radical Empathy appears to have similar issues, but compounded by the fact that there are different uses of the term, coined by different people. Until there are scholarly works by people unconnected with any of those coiners, analysing and discussing the term (in at least one of its uses), it will not be suitable material for Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for the clarification Amstall (talk) 11:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Updating a page

Hi How do I go about getting an update made on a page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Golf_Tournament_all-time_individual_records My son tied the NCAA record for lowest 18 hole golf round -10 60 and I'd love to have that information reflected on this page. His name is Ryan Eshleman Auburn University and he shot this score in Scottsdale at the Maui Jim Intercollegiate tournament Septemer 9th 2600:1700:6900:63D0:D1C6:5AE1:288E:C91 (talk) 13:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The records on the page to which you linked are specifically for the NCAA Division I Men's Golf Championship, not for any tournament invoving collegiate teams and competitors. The 2022 NCAA championship was held last May–June in Scottsdale, Arizona. Deor (talk) 13:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Submitting your draft ...

I can not add my article for review because it does not exist in search bar choices Submit your draft for review at Articles for Creation (AfC)

(Draft:realestate​). Please check draft title. No such draft exists. Bushra Tughar (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Bushra Tughar: You should be able to submit your draft by using the blue button labeled "Submit your draft for review!" and following the instructions. Note that for the time being, your draft's title is User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox, not Draft:realestate​. The AfC reviewers will eventually rename it when it gets to mainspace. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

yes, now i have clear vision. i wish to be reviewed before this week. 4 months is a sort of long period Bushra Tughar (talk) 18:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bushra Tughar. I see that you attempted to submit Draft:Business exit strategy after you posted here, but that is clearly not what you are referring to. Is it your sandbox, User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox? You can submit that by picking the blue button in the header. But I advise against it until you've cited your sources inline (see Citing sources). I also have doubts as to whether those sources have significant coverage of the company, though I haven't attempted to translate the Arabic to check. ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Is my article not well cited?, I wish to get detailed advice for avoiding being blocked Bushra Tughar (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Drafts are accepted or Declined or Rejected (more severe). Neither Declined nor Rejected put the creating editor at risk for being blocked. The backlog of drafts waiting for review is not a queue, so action can happen in hours, days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Your Sandbox draft was submitted and Declined, same day. Your Business exit strategy is awaiting a Reviewer. David notMD (talk) 19:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

As I say, Bushra Tughar, I haven't attempted to examine the sources cited. But judging from your translations of the titles, I would not expect any of them to contain significant coverage of the company. They look like passing mentions, apart from the one about the diabetes camp, which may have more about the company. But my guess is 1) that the article is about that one activity by the company, not about the company, and 2) that it is based on a press release from the company - again, I may be wrong. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Link Hover Issues

When hovering over the link of a page it often shows the most significant image along with the first paragraph. For nations, thats nearly always the national flag, but I've noticed for Turkmenistan it instead shows the borders. Is there anyway to correct this? ThundorLord (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi ThundorLord, welcome to the Teahouse. The image is picked by mw:Extension:PageImages. The documentation at mw:Extension:PageImages#How are images scored? says "images smaller than 119 pixels are weighted highly negatively". The source text of Turkmenistan says flag_size = 110px. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Orphan tag

Can anyone tell me please, what is actually called Orphan tag? When and why is it used? Frryan404 (talk) 17:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not the most experienced with Wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure it refers to when a page has no other pages linking into it. ThundorLord (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Frryan404: Welcome to Wikipedia ThundorLord is correct. An orphan article has no incoming links from other articles. See WP:ORPHAN for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a picture

how do I add the picture AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AmirMehdiKazmi. Please read Help:Pictures. Feel free to ask more specific questions. Cullen328 (talk) 17:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Work on getting your draft accepted. Adding images does not make a draft more likely to be accepted. If you get that far, the easiest will be if you yourself have taken photos of Mehdi. David notMD (talk) 03:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Removing Broken Links

I have a question regarding the removal of non-existent article links (the red ones), is it acceptable to remove the link if there are no articles that are relevant to it? If an article is created it can always be corrected later. Tungstensmithy (talk) 17:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello,Tungstensmithy. In most cases, a red link is an indication that an editor thinks that an article should be created about the topic. These red links should be kept. The guidance is Only remove red links if you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject. Please read Wikipedia:Red link for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, Thank you, will keep in mind. Tungstensmithy (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Table of similarities

Is there any type of table that can be used to list the similarities of an animal to an another animal that also may be able to include an image? Since I wanna add something similar to that to the Hylaecullulus page to make it clearer the differences between Hylaecullulus and Primocandelabrum & Bradgatia. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

How would listing similarities make the differences clearer?--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

How to ask editors for ce?

Board of Control for Cricket in India needs extensive ce by GA reviewer. I added a banner for ce there, but not many ce editors are doing work on it. How to ask some to work on an article for ce?Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 19:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rock Stone Gold Castle You can make a ce request at the Guild of Copy Editors here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper, @Rock Stone Gold Castle I did some ce, and I will do more when I get to my desktop computer where it's easier. David10244 (talk) 06:43, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

United States Polo Association

Asking that an Admin give an opinion on United States Polo Association. Recently, a single-purpose editor User:MadelynBlum has been adding a lot of content, either verbatim from the USPA website (reverted and warned about copyright infringement), or else in my opinion closely paraphrased from same site. My concerns are two: 1) Is much of the current content promotional to a degree that article should be Speedy deleted? 2) Given the majority (all?) of references are to USPA sources, should the article be AfD'd? I strongly believe that the Association is article-worthy given its long history, but am troubled by its current state.David notMD (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Non-admin comment: If I might speculate, the 2022 sale/takeover of the organization has precipitated a review of its public face, including its Wikipedia article. The edit summary "Wikipedia updates as discussed with the USPA." is informative. The wording of the first two sections reeks of promotion, as if the intent is to mirror the website as much as possible. I asssume the article could be rolled back to the last encyclopedic version, rather than being deleted (I assume there has also been a recent move/rename of some sort). User:MadelynBlum needs to declare their paid editing status immediately and only make edit suggestions going forward.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:57, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

It sounds as if MadelynBlum has the all-too-common misconception that Wikipedia's article about the Association is in any way owned by, controlled by, or for the benefit of, the Association. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted the article to the state before MadelynBlum started editing it. I have also pageblocked that editor fron that article, although the editor is free to make well-referenced edit requests on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 01:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the bold actions (revert and block). The article still sorely lacks references, David notMD (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

My draft article got rejected.

I'm trying to get some help in making this article i made days ago to an official page on Wikipedia. If you want to read it, here's the link: Draft:Slap Battles

Apparently my draft got rejected because it lacks in-depth, reliable, secondary, or independent sources. May one of you find out what sources related to the topic meet this criteria?

-Breerble Breerble (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Breerble, there are no in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent sources related to the topic. The topic is not notable, and I suggest you start by improving existing articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright.

Breerble (talk) 21:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

im having a hard time with the draft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bite_of_a_Mango

I submitted prior but there wasn't enough articles to support the film, but as of lately it won two awards in a Toronto festival and its been in a lot of press, most recently PLAYBACK and a 9 other articles.

How do we merge or make it a visible page Torontofresh (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Torontofresh, you may want to see WP:COI. Although unrelated to your question, as a conflict of interest editor you should read this. Also note that one account cannot be shared by multiple people, see WP:ISU. Sungodtemple (talk) 19:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Torontofresh I restored the Comments and put a submit draft template at the top. Per the comments above and on the draft, address whether you have a COI and seek better refs. This may be an instance of WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Neurooncología

I started the Spanish article "Neurooncología" and then deleted 95% of it from the user "Usuario:Linuxmanía". Does anyone know the solution to this? Examples of the topic can be found here https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroonkologie or here https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-oncologie. Wname1 (talk) 20:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Wname1, welcome back. Your question is very unclear and doesn't seem to relate to anything on English Wikipedia. Perhaps you could ask at Spanish Wikipedia's equivalent of the help desk - [1]. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wname1 The editor who reverted you gave a very detailed edit summary in this diff. However, as already suggested, you need to take your views to the Spanish Talk Page, since each language version of Wikipedia runs independently. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. Before I change to the Spanish area, there might be a user here who is also active in the Spanish area? Wname1 (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wname1 If there are, they are likely to be categorised here (based on their Babel box) in Category:User es-5 or similar. You could try a few of these and look at their global contribution history. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Cyclical wiki loop called again?

There is an article, but I forget what its called so I'd have no idea where to begin, where there is a term for the phenomenon where some news story starts off being born almost of wikipedia genesis or creation, and then news reporters trust WP enough apparently, that they go to WP and then cite that, and then it becomes real. Because now a reliable source has stated it, which is then citable on WP. That seems to me to be a potential for systemic problems. Is there anyone who has proposed a method to fix that, and does anyone know what it is that I am talking about and what it is called again? TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again @Oopsemoops - WP:Citeogenesis. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Excellent. Yes thats the stuff. Now what can be done about it? Anyone have major policy proposals. Seems like it was more of a major issue in the mid 2000's early days of WP. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Oopsemoops, that's not really something which can be hashed out here at the Teahouse; obviously we have processes in place to try and prevent it, but they're not likely to ever be perfect. If you have ideas, feel free to propose them at WP:VPP or in the idea lab. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Fair. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 21:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

En Dash Question

The style requirements for the pages I am working on necessitate the use of – to produce an en dash. Methods such as inserting an en dash from the menu at the top which displays those most frequently used pieces of punctuation, or use of the alt code alt + 0150 produce the "–" symbol itself in Visual editing. This is not the desired outcome, and I have had to resort to copying an en dash from another entry in Visual editing in order to get the desired result when viewed in Source editing.

My question is simple. How, if indeed it is possible, do I type or produce an en dash in Visual editing that displays as – in Source editing without either copying it from an existing entry or using Source editing? Kxcii (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't use visual editing, so I don't know if this will work, but I don't see why not. When I want to get an HTML character to appear properly, I escape that character. So I write –, which displays as –. (Note: don't look at the source code of what I just posted: I had to do an extra level of escaping to get it to look right. If you type exactly what you see, that should work). ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You could remap your keyboard, Kxcii. I've remapped mine (not for "–" but to swap the functions of the keys marked "CapsLock" and "Ctrl"). I suspect that many people are like me in virtually never using their right "Alt" key; one might separate the two "Alt" keys, leaving the left one as is and remapping hyphen-while-right-Alt-key-is-pressed as en-dash. How you do any of this depends on your computer's operating system. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The question is not about how to display – in the rendered text but how to produce that code in the source text instead of the actual character. It's required by the second-last bullet at Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year#Style and {{DOY editnotice}}. I think it's an odd requirement and don't know whether it's possible to satisfy in VisualEditor without copying it from somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I blame caffeine deficiency, PrimeHunter, but you may attribute my oversight to simple stupidity. My next suggestions – (A) skip the "visual editor", or (B) use the one-character, two-byte "–" and leave "fixing" (?) this to editors who like to fret over it – would probably cause offence, so I'd better not make either. -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

To "produce that code in the source text", you simply need to type it. It will get rendered as an endash to the reader, but the source will remain the same. If you need to render the text "–" to the screen, you can type "–" as mentioned above. I looked at those links but fail to see how either of those two options would not be sufficient. If you can be specific about what you need done, and why you need it, I think that would be helpful. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Not really a solution but the insertion toolbar(bottom of edit box,just above edit summary) in desktop source mode does include endash. 23:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Moved sandbox to draft, requesting assistance with re-directs

Hi, I just submitted a draft for review for the first time. I composed the draft in my sandbox, then submitted it, and it suggested I move it to draft space, which I did. The page showed a message reminding me to clean up after the move, but I'm afraid I don't understand what steps need to be done to do so, even after reading the links. I fear I broke something. As I understand it, my sandbox is currently a redirect page and I have to do something to free up my sandbox to compose another article for submission. Is this right? Thank you kindly for your time. GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 22:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Peru–Yale University dispute looks fascinating, GuineaPigC77. I expect a quick promotion to article status. (I'd embark on this myself, if I weren't pushed for time right now.) Feel free to edit your "sandbox" afresh. (If you click on that link, you won't be redirected.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Hoary! Yes, it's an interesting story and I was surprised to not find any coverage here, but it was a fun article to work on. Thanks for the feedback. I think I get what happened now with the sandbox and I'll just start fresh. GuineaPig_C77 (𒅗𒌤) ☕ 03:14, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Is kinemaster a notable article?

Kinemaster seems to be very notable. I seen refs from notable websites: 1 2 3 4 5 is it enough to have it's own article? SMBMovieFan (talk) 22:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I clicked on the first of your links, SMBMovieFan. What I saw there starts: KineMaster launched a thoughtfully designed app to help entrepreneurs and small-medium business owners to build their empires in the digital age. / May 18, 2022 15:30 ET / Source: KineMaster. So it's mere PR junk from KineMaster and utterly worthless in establishing notability. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@SMBMovieFan You had a poor choice of the first ref but the others do seem to be genuine reviews from WP:INDEPENDENT reliable sources, so based on WP:THREE you should be OK for a draft. Keep it simple and neutral and use the AfC process so experienced reviewers can comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:KineMaster SMBMovieFan (talk) 15:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Slide Show (secondary spelling) entry should be Slideshow (noun) spelled correctly

How does the slide show entry get corrected to the primary rather than variant (secondary) spelling which would be "slideshow" (noun). If you do a search for "slideshow" you will find its the dominant spelling. How does this get corrected? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

N-Gram shows "slide show" as the dominant usage in books from 1940 - 2019 which you can see here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Flibbertigibbets: It was moved from Slideshow to Slide show in 2010.[2] The title has been stable for 12 years and a move would probably be controversial so don't move it without discussion. See Wikipedia:Requested moves if you want to propose a move. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I could make the entry consistent to "slide show." The article has no sources.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Flibbertigibbets, the lack of sources can be corrected easily by any motivated editor. A Google Books search shows that a couple of books have been written about the topic of slide shows, and many other books devote significant coverage to this topic. Cullen328 (talk) 02:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 02:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Random names in Bollywood films

Bollywood films have a lot of credits where a random name will be in brackets next to someone's name ie John Smith (Dave)

Does anyone know what those random names in brackets represent?

They're not companies, they're not place names, and they're not character names...

So I suspect they're either:

• A surname that they don't normally use
• A middle name that they don't normally use, or
• A nickname

I've tried searching for some of these random names, along with the actual names of the people credited, yet I still can't work out what they're supposed to be. Danstarr69 (talk) 02:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I looked and can't find any examples. Could you provide one? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 05:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Hello. Do you mean actor's real name or character's name? I guess it may be character's nickname. Not sure though. Like Skipper says above, example would be good. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Usernamekiran just random names in brackets next the real names of cast and crew members.

Sometimes it will be things like:

• Companies they worked for
• Places they worked in
• Cast members they worked for

etc in brackets, however sometimes the name in brackets won't be any of them.

It'll take forever to search for all the others in the 1000s of credits I've added/updated lately, however the latest one I've found is in the opening credits of the film 1920 London (I've not gone through the end credits yet, apart from to correct the cast), where it says...

• First Assistant Director - Salar Shaikh (Raja)

What is Raja? Danstarr69 (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Pyrrho the Skipper here's another from the film Commando 3 (film)...

• Car Rig - Shahida Parveen Shaikh (Mushtaq)

What is Mushtaq? Danstarr69 (talk) 09:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 As the Wikipedia aticle doesn't go into that level of detail for cast and crew (nor should it) I don't think it matters very much. In this particular case IMDB may actually be a better source. According to the full IMDB listing, the car rig was Shahida Parveen Shaikh (the IMDB equivalent of WP:COMMONNAME) but actually credited as Shahida Parveen Shaikh Mushtaq in that particular film's credits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull I added the name to IMDB like that, as IMDB requires "credits to be added exactly the same as they are on screen", yet there's a problem with that as brackets can't be added inside the attribute brackets.

I'm trying to concentrate on updating just 5 Bollywood feature films, however I'm getting distracted with countless more Bollywood productions which have the same cast/crew members, yet have countless names, and countless duplicate profiles, just like with every English production I update, however Bollywood ones are on an even bigger scale with the amount of misspelt names and duplicate profiles they contain.

Right now I'm trying to sort out some of the countless duplicate profiles of 3 different Bollywood music duos (who have worked on some of those films), who have been added to IMDB multiple times with misspelt names as separate people, and again with misspelt names as duos. There must be at least 20 separate profiles for those 3 duos/6 singular people. Basically there should be 9 profiles for them maximum, if you include them as individuals and duos, not 20+ profiles.

Many more of the music related people on the productions those duos have worked on also have 3+ duplicate profiles each, which I'll be merging once I've checked the credits on each production. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

All of that explains why here at Wikipedia we don't consider IMDB as a reliable source. I guess you'll have to take your issues up with them, not us. The websites have no relationship to one another. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull my issue is...

What do the random names in brackets in Bollywood films mean?

It's a question which applies to both Wikipedia and IMDB.

All the other stuff I can sort out myself, but I can't sort out those two credits until I know what those random names in brackets in the on-screen credits mean. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Raja here is a nickname. In case of Shahida Parveen Shaikh (Mushtaq) — Shaikh, and Mushtaq are last names. It seems to be nee, and new name. Not sure which one is which though. Regarding the issue in general, we should remove the bracketed names. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Usernamekiran finally an answer to one of my questions on Teahouse. I can't remember the last time that happened.

If I see anymore random names in brackets next to names in on-screen credits, I'll just add it as an extra surname in the productions credits on IMDB, then add that extra surname as a nickname on their IMDB profile.

I know that Sikh's like adding the same "Singh" to their names, as I found out a few years ago.

There's a famous Sikh family of 3 brothers who grew up near me (not that anyone in the city realises), who are have always been credited by different names...

• Sometimes they have Singh as their last name.
• Sometimes Singh is used as their middle name.
• Sometimes their first names are abbreviated
• Sometimes their first names are misspelt
• Plus two of the three brothers also have stage names

A few years ago I tried to find out whether Singh was part of their actual names, after randomly finding out that their dad had written some of their songs in a blockbuster Bollywood film, by checking their names on Companies House.

However that didn't reveal any answers as even though their dad uses Singh as his only surname, the 3 brothers still switch their Singh back and forth with other surname repeatedly, on the profiles for the companies they own. Danstarr69 (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Trove article referencing on enc.Wiki article

In an articles edit page I have referenced a trove article by trying to use a Wiki Trove template as follows:

Under the articles "References" heading it shows, as a link, as follows:

"CITY OF PERTH: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron: The West Australian, Perth, WA; page 4, 25 August 1945". Trove. National Library of Australia. Retrieved 15 September 2022.

However, when I double-click on this reference I just get an error message "Title 51765008 could not be found." but if I if you copy the articles title "CITY OF PERTH: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron" to https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers the newspaper article comes up right away.

Using this example can you advise me how fill out Wiki's Trove template correctly so the Reference links properly and directly to the article on Trove?

Maybe my problem is that I cant seem to be able to find the correct id-number at the end of the Trove url. Thanks Shellac41 (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC) Shellac41 (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shellac41. See the box starting "This is a template for citing newspaper summary pages on Trove" at Template:Cite Trove newspaper. It can only produce url's starting with https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/title/ like https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/title/123. You don't want a newspaper summary but a specific article with the url https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/51765008. The box says: "To cite an article available at Trove, use a citation template such as {{cite news}}, {{cite web}}, or {{citation}}". PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Shellac41 So, to be specific, I'd use "City of Perth: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron". The West Australian. 1945-08-25. p. 4.. See source code for the markup. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Mike, please excuse my ignorance but I can't find on Wiki what you call "source code for the markup"? Shellac41 (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Shellac41 I suspect he means, switch from visual mode to source code so you can see how he's written the reference.

You can also see it in the edit history, or by pressing edit on this post.

It's what I do when I don't know how to do something or forgotten how to do something on Wikipedia, like making a table for example. I just go to an article where I know a table exists, copy the source code for the table, paste the source code for the table in the article I want it, and replace the information in the table with information related to the article I pasted it in. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, very helpful. Shellac41 (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Have done as suggested so hope references are correct now.Shellac41 (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

References

I need help

i want to create a article how can I do to make it Happy ending Pretty mkoliswa (talk) 14:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pretty mkoliswa. Creating an article is usually not easy for newcomers, so it is recommended to get started by helping to improve already existing articles. But for creating a new article, see Wikipedia:Your first article, and try the Article Wizard. It would be recommended to use the Articles for Creation process. Note that the subject of the article should meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and be verifiable by citing reliable sources. Thanks, Kpddg ^(talk) 16:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Currently indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Alaska Life Below Zero other families

There was another family I believe the father's name was Robert he and his wife had 2 daughters one was named Molly. The daughters had some sort of hereditary disease that affected their eyes They were all very soft spoken even in whispers sometimes because they didn't want to startle wild life where they were living. The last I saw them the two girls were getting ready to go away (to college?) Does anyone else remember who they were? Libra0927 (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Libra0927, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place for new users to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question along those lines?

Asparagusus (interaction) 16:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Libra0927, please read Life Below Zero. In the future, the Reference Desk - Entertainment is a better place for this type of question. Cullen328 (talk) 17:08, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Declined article / request for more feedback

Hello! My article was recently declined a second time, although I edited it after receiving the first feedback. I thought I addressed raised points, but apparently, there's still something I'm missing. Would it be possible to receive more detailed feedback so I can ensure that the article won't be rejected again?

Here's the article in question: Draft:SUBTLE – The Subtitlers' Association. I tried to use articles of similar associations as a template/inspiration, e.g. Institute of Translation & Interpreting, European Association for Studies in Screen Translation, Translators Association.

To be honest, I fail to see how my article "read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia" compared to them. Is it more about the phrasing of specific paragraphs or insufficient notability of the subject?

Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you! Nyjja (talk) 17:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Nujja, I think it's about the failure of the draft to establish that the subject is notable. Which three of the sources cited do most, in your opinion, to establish that STABLE is notable? Note that articles based on statements by or interviews with spokespeople for the association don't help. Maproom (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The draft does indeed read like an advertisement, because it's based on what its representatives have said. If you got rid of all or most of those sources, and the content based on them, and relied on what independent sources have said, you'd have a much better article. Maproom (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, Maproom. SUBTLE is a part of an umbrella federation, AudioVisual Translators Europe, and I use its website as one of the sources. There are also few links to academic conferences where SUBTLE members took part as the experts. I think they would count as independent sources. What would be your opinion? Nyjja (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nyjja. "Links to academic conferences where SUBTLE members took part as the experts" would not help in the least. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. That is the only kind of reference that can contribute to establishing notability. Unfortunately, if few people have written about the association (not its members, but the association) then it is probably not notable in Wikipedia's terms. ColinFine (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a missing genus.

I've noticed a missing genus (Tyndis, it's on the List of Pyralidae genera, but it leads to the ancient Greek city) but I haven't been on wikipedia long enough to add it. If anyone could take care of that, that would be great. Here's a link to some usable information: https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/data/butmoth/search/GenusList2.dsml?AUTHOR=Ragonot&beginIndex=270&searchPageURL=BrowseAuthors%2edsml%3fAUTHOR%3dRagonot%26beginIndex%3d210

Thanks!

Balnibarbarian (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a moth genus, btw.

Balnibarbarian (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I just realized this should probably be an article request.

Well, while I'm here, Rabiria is also on the list, but redirects to Rabiria gens.

I guess I should just make those links red. If I knew how. Balnibarbarian (talk) 17:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to do it in the source editor, but in the visual editor you can highlight the text you want to link and click the add link button as normal. If you look up a page that doesn't exist yet it'll show up with a red link. Hope that helps! AcidicAlloy (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Balnibarbarian (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Balnibarbarian, in making the red links, you can avoid the redirect problem by linking as: Tyndis (moth) and Rabiria (moth) to achieve disambiguation. If the red-linked articles get written, disambiguation pages will be made for Tyndis and/or Rabiria. --Quisqualis (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I was having trouble getting them red. Balnibarbarian (talk) 00:03, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Citation templates and chapters

I'm sure this is plainly addressed somewhere, but I can't find a guideline or MOS page that cleanly spells it out. I know that citation templates are generally a matter of personal preference, but are there circumstances where I should prioritize one over the others or that one might be better suited (for example, using Template:Sfn over Template:Harvnb and Template:Rp)? And more specifically, how does this apply to citing specific chapters in a book? Is there a standard for what to do or what format to use if I'm citing one chapter from a book where each chapter is written by a different author? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

{{@Thebiguglyalien}}, Greetings! Citation style should be uniform in any article.

Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Variation_in_citation_methods makes no mention of how to choose a citation style (you may have seen this), so I assume it's safe to WP:BEBOLD and choose your preferred style in a new article.

Template:Cite_book#Examples, in the sixth example listed, tells how to cite a chapter in a compilation-type book.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

How should I cite the page numbers of a chapter? Do I include the page numbers of the chapter as a whole in the Reflist and then individual page numbers using Sfn/Harvnb/Rp? And what if I use two chapters from the same book? Do I include both of them as their own unique references, duplicating the book info? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

If the chapters have different authors you will need to create separate references. If the chapter is short, just give the page numbers of the chapter and you won't need to indicate the particular page each time you use the source.

If the entire book is by the same authors we don't usually indicate chapters, just the pages that the material comes from. Do you have an example of what you are trying to do? It sounds rather more complicated than the usual cases. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I typically use chapters of books when I edit. Frances Cleveland is the most recent article where I've used chapters of books. I'm asking because I recently got Caroline Harrison to GA, and the reviewer had me do it differently. Since I use book sources so often (especially in large edits), I want to know how I should be using them in different circumstances. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Godzilla B.O.

• I realized the Godzilla vs. Destoroyah's box office numbers in the chart and in the article are very different. I changed it to the latter.
• City on the Edge of Battle had an unsourced box office number, so I just converted 150 million yen into "May 2018" USD
• FW's box office mojo numbers and JP sourced numbers have a difference of at least 3 million. AT least you can acknowledge that...

Overall, some of the stuff in the franchise box office numbers conflict with the articles or just... basic common sense. DougheGojiraMan (talk) 19:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse!{{@DougheGojiraMan}}. The Teahouse isn't a great venue for content questions, unfortunately. Your best course is to repost your Teahouse inquiries on the relevant talk pages of the articles involved. The "talk" page is accessed via a tab at the top of the article page. Welcome to the Teahouse!--Quisqualis (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thank you DougheGojiraMan (talk) 19:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Multiple licenses on an image

Do forgive me if this question has been answered before, but what is the protocol for images with two or more licenses on it (e.g., public domain and CC BY)? Which license should be followed if I want to use it? ProfessorM2112 (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@ProfessorM2112: Best practices on how to use multi-license files are described at Commons:Commons:Multi-license copyright tags. ––FormalDude (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me, but the link did not redirect me to any such page. ProfessorM2112 (talk) 22:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@ProfessorM2112: My apologies, link fixed. ––FormalDude (talk) 22:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Article about a failed musical

Ok, so I made a draft about a failed musical written by Stephen Sondheim, Square One. The draft was quickly reviewed and declined. One specific thing was said, “it probably isn’t notable if it hasn’t made it’s debut.” They also said I needed citations of substance, which given the context of the subject material, there is truly only so much a source can give. I feel as though the citations give context for what it is, who wrote it, specific important dates and timeframes. The reviewer obviously thought otherwise. Despite that I’m too stubborn to give up. So if I wanted to get it published, what is my next step? Morgo0915 (talk) 02:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Morgo0915, if their is limited source material consider adding a small section to Sondheim's article where it would likely be WP:DUE and then creating the title of musical as a redirect to the section in Sondheim's article. Alternatively, discussion on his talk page about the musical may uncover additional sources or guidance from those more familiar with his careerSlywriter (talk) 02:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Square One (Musical) David notMD (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Morgo0915, since Sondheim died about two months after the project was announced, I consider it unlikely that the encyclopedia would benefit from a freestanding article about it. I am certain, though, that this sentence is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article: It is truly not known at present whether or not Square One will make it’s debut, but we hope that one day it may grace the stage and it’s audience. Cullen328 (talk) 02:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Because of the unnecessary apostrophes? (Just kidding)David10244 (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually there are lots if "it's" that are wrong, in the draft. Pinging @Morgo0915 to fix those. David10244 (talk) 06:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Righting historical (in)accuracies

Hello! I am trying to improve Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT) to the best as I can, accurately. I am moving onto a section where the physical diameters of the park are to be addressed, with all sources reliable or not pointing to the figure 335-acre (136 ha) (Example 1, Example 2 Example 3). As much as I could slap that statistic on the article and call it a day, historical reporting's point to a different number which amount to around the same acreage the park currently exists upon (The Tampa Tribune). I found that via a county's property appraisal website a way to look up the park's parent company, SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, property. Individually, the total acreage owned by the company amounts to be ~ 353.58 acres (143.09 ha), the BGT park itself being a healthy 249.53 acres (100.98 ha) (minus parking lots or additional property belonging to sister water park Adventure Island).

The problem: no reliable sources support BGT being anywhere near its approximate acreage, and relate the total properties of SeaWorld's Tampa properties to the park's size. Is there a way I can cite the appraisal's website supporting its recorded 249.53 acres (100.98 ha)? If possible, how could I go about citing the total property that Busch Gardens lays upon with its sister park and additional lots owned by the parent company? Since the calculated amount, 353.58 acres (143.09 ha), differs from decades of coverage citing 335-acre (136 ha). Am I just plain wrong and need a trout? Any and all help would be appreciated! Adog (Talk・Cont) 03:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Mistakenly attributed activity

Hi, I don't edit wikipedia at all, but today i got a message saying an edit on a page my ip address apparently made in 2012 (when I was a kid and not on a computer) saying one of my edits had been removed as it " did not appear to be constructive". I was just wondering if any one knew why this could have happened specifically at this time and if there was any danger to my device/online safety. This is a 3 year old laptop. I would appreciate any clarification. Regards 220.244.78.195 (talk) 05:35, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

It was ten years ago. IPs are not tied to a particular piece of hardware, and they can change with time, so it was not you. Ignore the stale warning or delete it. Meters (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

sad

my school doesnt let us use wikipedia. it makes me sad. why wont they let us use it? 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Probbably because Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

( but people work so hard 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

oh well 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Probably also because either 'they' don't understand how to use Wikipedia properly, or don't have the time to teach you how to do so. Rather than taking anything in Wikipedia itself as correct (for the reasons explained in the essay Victor Schmidt linked above), one should use it as a stepping-stone to the Reliable sources it cites. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.157.244 (talk) 08:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

By "...doesn't let us use..." did you mean not allowed to use Wikipedia as a reference for school assignments (see replies, above), or not allowed to use school computers to edit Wikipedia articles? David notMD (talk) 10:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Carbrook Hall

I left a message on talk page introducing myself and explaining why I wanted to edit the Carbrook Hall page As I did not get a response I went ahead and did the edit. The edit has since been removed and It was suggested that I contact this teroom page for assistance.

To Tugs04 (talk) 08:34, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Tugs04 You made a bit of a mess of things. You created Draft:Carbrook Hall and submitted it to AfC, where it was Declined. You also added most (all?) of the same content and refs to the existing artice Carbrook Hall. where it was all reverted. As for the draft, either tag it for deletion, or do nothing, in which case it will be deleted in six months. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

As for the article, you added a mix of information about the building and more about the Bright family. The latter does not really belong. Try again, this time inserting a paragraph between the origins content and the Starbucks content. For the moment, forego the entymology content. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

GA Nomination Failed

I have been behind the article Mammootty to make it a GA. But I have failed after a long time. Talk:Mammootty/GA1 Can anyone explain to me what is the real problem found by the second reviewer. In short and understandable manner can anyone explain it. Did they mention that I copied from any website, or the sources says different things? Please help Paavamjinn (talk) 08:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

• The reviewer wrote "four of the five footnotes I looked at don't accurately cite the material". The reviewer looked at five footnotes. Each implied that a certain proposition was (or certain propositions were) presented in a particular source. But for four of the five sources, the proposition was (or propositions were) not in the cited source. This is a major problem; and if I had been the reviewer, it would have been enough for me to fail the article. But it's only one of several major problems. (Yes, another is plagiarism.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

WikiLove

Is there any other way to spread the love to colleagues besides Wikilove? I am enjoying being in EnWiki, i love you all. Ruwaym (talk) 10:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Updating Issue

My reason for the update wasn't concise enough.

The domain name system could be used to create "ASCII art" and even "Word art". eg lo-ok com or 0n0 com, and the most accessible art in the form of cheap media. Radiobutton (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

RE: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RunningStick"

Hi MrOllie/WP:TEAHOUSE "Advisers", Thanks for your feedback and your services to this free and awesome compendium of human knowledge. This is all very valuable learning for this novice contributor. The "conflict of interest" you mentioned does not exist; helping Wikipedia financially is extremely easy, trying to help/mentor/teach via content seems to have many nuances. I hope you will allow me to add a reference in the Wikipedia PyMOL article to a future iCn3D article that I produce as a novice user? RunningStick (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Custom Pages

When I'm done creating my own page and I click submit, it does not go. It stays on the codes I typed in. So I don't make it. Can anyone tell me why or something I may be doing wrong? Thanks. Carsongallas (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)