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April 22

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 22, 2023.

Pandas

Suggest retarget either to PANDAS or Panda (disambiguation), as {{R from alternative capitalization}}. Leaning towards the latter as 'Pandas' has a number of alternative terms that refer to something other than Giant panda and PANDAS such as Pandora Digital Archiving System, pandas (software), or Pan-Andromeda Archaeological Survey. Bonoahx (talk) 22:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Panda (disambiguation) - "pandas" could also refer to red pandas as well as giant pandas, among other things, so there is no clear primary topic. SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Shulman

Currently a primary redirect to a non-notable musician; a better target is sportscaster Dan Shulman. 162 etc. (talk) 16:28, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Matroyshka

Given the target of Matryoshka, I don't see why this needs to redirect to the disambiguation page. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:55, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nom Dronebogus (talk) 21:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Zambian Space Programme

It does not appear that this was a government-endorsed programme, as the name implies (quite the opposite, in fact). There doesn't seem to be a suitable retarget available, from what I can see. Tollens (talk) 09:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete misleading and unlikely search term Dronebogus (talk) 21:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Changing !vote to Keep per the sources Pharos cited. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 06:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Epistolae Pavli Lingva Hvngarica Donatae

Is this redirect supposed to exist considering Letters of St. Paul in Hungarian is a redlink at the target? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my mind, the question is, does it help the reader get to an appropriate article that gives information about what the reader was searching for? This Latin title is the name of the book that the reader is likely to see, or they may copy it off the image of the book cover, and it does bring them to an article where it is relevant. Had they searched on Commons, they would have ended up with an image of the book cover, and a dead end, but it's much more likely they'll search at Wikipedia. Although there is not yet much about the book there, it is mentioned (in red-linked English and Hungarian) and is the logical place to send readers, for now, until that red link gets expanded and someone writes the article.
Depending how determined they are as a searcher, if they want more info about the book, the interlanguage link provides a link to the Hungarian article about the book. Given that the redirect is the en-wiki reader's best path to getting the information they want, it seems like an appropriate use of the feature to me. The fact that the English part of the {{interlanguage link}} is still red because we don't have the article (yet) but hu-wiki does, is only incidental to that, and does not stand in the way of getting the reader to the best content for their search. Mathglot (talk) 19:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S., I've added another redirect—this one—with the 'V's switched to 'U's, as the reader might type it that way if they're familiar with later developments in the Latin alphabet. This is tacked on to the header at the top, and should also be deleted if the original redirect results in "delete". Mathglot (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Siwierski

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deutschgesprachen

Not a word. Utterly implausible, 10 results on Google (partly related to this redirect). 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wie gehts

Phrase not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Air Battles: Sky Defender

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redirect is a game that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the game it redirects to. "Air Battles: Sky Defender" is a game by Pilot Entertainment and Wild Hare Entertainment according to GameSpot and GameSpy. Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory is a game by A2A Simulations, Tri Synergy, and GMX Media. Only similarity seems to be the fact that they are flight simulations games from the mid-2000s. Mika1h (talk) 16:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I changed my mind, I found a PC Gamer review where it states that the game is "a stripped-down, newbie-friendly version of Shockwave's high-flying Battle of Britain II." --Mika1h (talk) 16:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

DeFacto

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy keep. For help with creating a new article, see Help:Your first article (and also the notability guidelines for brands at WP:NCORP). (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 13:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have multiple options to convert into an article:

1. There is a brand named DeFacto
2. Please create the draft page
3. Find all reliable sources
176.88.85.88 (talk) 14:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No reason why this shouldn't keep redirecting to the disambiguation page since said articles do not exist. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 00:40, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Disney Junior Dance Party!

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:35, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete wikipedia is not an exhaustive directory of random information Dronebogus (talk) 23:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Lowercase sigmabot III/config

The first template is meant to be an alternative name for the auto-archiving template under the current bot's name, and the second is an unlikely double namespace mistake. However, according to the top of this page and the source code, only the exact page name User:MiszaBot/config is recognised, meaning both of these redirects will never actually trigger automatic archiving from the bot, and therefore should be deleted as unhelpful. I've already removed the only existing use of the first one here. Aidan9382 (talk) 09:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC) modified 18:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of J1 League football transfers 2023

Clear error. Will be wrong after "summer 2023" and "winter 2023-24" transfer pages will be created. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:14, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: This was redirected only a week back. How about wait until the summer page is created? Jay 💬 09:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think it will be created, though. I created these year's winter transfers articles on Japan, but have no intent of creating another four for summer transfers. ~~ SoftReverie (talk) 18:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pelmeen10, this redirect is effectively an {{R from move}}, as it appears to have been the title of the target article between November last year and the day before you started this discussion. I don't think it's likely there would be consensus for deletion now, but that would be much easier to achieve once the other list article is created and the redirect becomes ambiguous. Would you like to withdraw this nomination now and then start a new one once the situation changes? – Uanfala (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No. Why wait for something inevitable? These three [1] [2] [3] were already speedy deleted for the same reason. This is the last one standing. Pelmeen10 (talk) 13:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep until ambiguous. [2] and [3] were incorrect speedy deletions as CSD:R3 does not apply to redirects created as a result of a page move. [1] is a more complex case (J1 vs J2) and involving a histmerge of the target, it was not deleted for the same rason. Jay 💬 13:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as it can be misleading. Whoever types "List of J1 League football transfers 2023" is currently being redirected to the winter transfer article. But, the former content of the list was supposed to cover the whole year. Personally, i don't think anyone would actually purposely type "List of J1 League football transfers 2023" at all. Previous seasons always utilized the winter and summer as separate articles, so i believe this redirect is of little to no use or importance. ~~ SoftReverie (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war

In March 2023, a video of a Ukrainian soldier being executed by Russian forces appeared. He was first identified as someone else before being recognized as Oleksandr Matsievskyi. During that period of uncertainty, this title was chosen. Further, as information appeared, it turned out Matsievskyi was killed in December 2022. And also, arguably in "early 2023" as well (March), another Ukrainian captured soldier was killed, see Beheading of Szerhij Pataki. So this redirect is problematic.

Some users may believe that Matsievskyi being killed in 2022 means this redirect would be valid for Pataki. Technically yes, but I don't expect readers to know so many details of these brutal executions, with so much conflicting info having appeared. Most readers would identify these murders with the date of the release of their videos (March 2023 and April 2023). A reader might not know what to expect when taken to "Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war". Super Ψ Dro 07:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That would be just for the sake of keeping the redirect and not because it is useful or anything. I seriously doubt that a reader will decide to start their search looking for any of the two cases with the words "early 2023 execution". Such logic would then beg the question "so why was it chosen as an article title?" and I would argue that while it was still hard to search, it was the best option back then as the article already existed but the victim's identity was disputed. Also the fact that a Wikipedia article is titled a certain way will make a certain sequence of words more commonly looked up in the Internet, but that's not the case anymore. Super Ψ Dro 20:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It still gets 27 pageviews per day. Compared to the on average ~570 page views a day the actual article gets, that means about 1 in 21 readers of the article actually gets there through this specific redirect, which is a substantial enough portion that I'd say clearly it's useful to some people. (It's also more than the page views of all other redirects to the same page combined) AddWittyNameHere 21:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect is factually wrong though as Matsievskyi died in December 2022. Super Ψ Dro 13:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Summer 2022 beheading of a Ukrainian prisoner of war

In 11 April 2023, a video showing the beheading of a living Ukrainian soldier was released in pro-Russian media. His identity was unknown (and I chose this title for the article believing it would stay that way) and the date of his murder was too, but it was assumed to be the summer of last year. Turns out however that yesterday it was revealed that the soldier was Szerhij Pataki and that he was murdered actually in March 2023. So, this title is now inaccurate. Super Ψ Dro 07:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pine Bowl (Stadium)

Nominating to delete. There is already Pine Bowl (stadium), the down case version with more substantial page history, which is sufficient as a navigation/search aid. – robertsky (talk) 07:38, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Per WP:RDAB. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per K4 – {{R from move}}s should not be deleted without good reason: it's redirect policy. In this case, the redirect looks to have indeed accumulated views stemming from old sites linking to this old title. In fact, this redirect has received thrice as many pageviews as it's current target. Deletion would evidently be harmful. J947 † edits 02:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    1. The uppercase redirect was initially pointed at Pine Bowl (stadium) before the article was merged to DeGol Field. After the merge yesterday, it is currently being pointed to Pine Bowl. Therefore it is not appropriate to compare the pageviews to the current target.
    2. The uppercase version was linked 18 other articles on wiki before I have done the clean up (see my user contributions (API output)). Though the traffic is similarly low on these 18 pages, there will always be people clicking through these 18 pages. If the pageviews of the redirect is significantly higher, I might buy the argument that there are external/old sites linking this redirect directly.
    – robertsky (talk) 05:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    1. If the redirect had pointed to Pine Bowl the whole time, the 3–to–1 split for be extremely unlikely as a view on the redirect effectively results in a view on the dab page. The point was not that, but that this redirect is actually a more useful navigational aid than Pine Bowl
    2. While internal links do account for some, probably most, of the views, per this backlink checker there are 29 external links pointing to this redirect. I suggest, per policy, that it's a safer decision to keep this redirect than to run the risk of breaking links.
    J947 † edits 04:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm all for getting rid of redirects for non-standard forms in the disambiguator, but not when there are any reasons to keep. Having been the title of an article (in this case, between 2015 and 2020) is one of the strongest reasons to keep a redirect and usually outweighs much worse problems with the redirect than odd capitalisation. Fixing the incoming wikilinks was great, regardless of what happens to this redirect, but the external links we have not control over. – Uanfala (talk) 22:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rules of the Senate

Just bringing this up here for discussion: does this term unambiguously refer to the rules of the U.S. Senate? J947 † edits 05:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 06:20, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is disambiguation warranted? And how will the dab page look like, given the fact that there are several articles on this topic?
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more go…
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  • Disambiguate - Seems like a logical outcome given that this is ambiguous. Deletion would not be helpful because there are so many things they can refer to. In contrast with the comments above, I don't see why a dab page would not be useful. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • As nom, disambiguate. Such a dab page seems a bit eh, but it's growing on me. Anyone up for a draft? J947 † edits 04:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cheery Littlebottom

there is nothing in Discworld_(world) about Cheery Littlebottom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just started updating Discworld (world) and was trying to reference and link to Cheery Littlebottom assuming she'd also have an entry in Ankh-Morpork City Watch after I saw the one on Captain Carrot. I was annoyed to learn it was empty and just redirected back there via see also. When I checked to see if she had a standalone article I saw the redirect and discussion here. I think the redirect should be pointed to Ankh-Morpork City Watch#Sergeant Cheery Littlebottom and, since it's currently empty, that subsection be significantly expanded so it doesn't just two step redirect you to Discworld (world). I added an expansion needed notice about that problem (and similar ones with other characters). TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 05:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled Sergeant Cheery Littlebottom with this.
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Genital sex

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Target term not mentioned in the article; the title could refer to any of various sex acts that involve genitals. A previous RfD for the redirect suggested targeting to the current target, but seeing that the target is not mentioned... I suggest either disambiguating or deleting. Colgatepony234 (talk) 00:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One last try
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Kang Zhan

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article's subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Southern District of New York

I suggest retargeting to SDNY per this recent RfD. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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