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Kindly please add a proper more stunning profile pic of CHRISTINA ON HER WIKIPEDIA PROFILE.
and also edit her bio. She is one of the greatest singers of all time. A pop Superstar icon that has made a huge contribution and played a major role in changing the pop revolution. Christina is hilly respected in the industry and she has a lasting life Long legacy in the form of her music, music videos and her humanitarian work.
The "2002–2003: Stripped" section states, "The album peaked at number two on the Billboard 200 and has sold over 4.3 million copies in the US as of 2014". Sources, and the Wikipedia article Stripped (Christina Aguilera album), agree with the article stated, "According to the RIAA, Stripped sold over 12 million copies worldwide." -- Otr500 (talk) 02:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
External links
Would someone look at the "External links" section for trimming? I have not looked at why this is a "delisted good article" but:
There are five entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four or more. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion.
It seems that there is an unofficial collaboration between Wikipedia, AllMusic, Discogs, and IMDb to put these sites on as many articles as they can possibly get away with. Gives flashbacks to Find a Grave and the well-intentioned project to list the site on every dearly departed with an article on Wikipedia. While a noble endeavor these "External links" are only supposed to be added when they are "kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article". The second paragraph of the External links lead states, Some acceptable external links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy. Many times these links are added just because it has become the "norm".
This subject has had so much written about her it could probably fill two large presidential libraries so it seems dubious these sites would have information not overly covered in reliable sources. Adding the sites without consideration of relevance (and article benefit) is just giving them prominence, even if there is a "nofollow" on search engines, Wikipedia is inadvertently, or maybe not, advertising for these companies on a large chunk of Wikipedia articles. Alright, I have aired my grief. On the other side of the coin:
ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
ELCITE: Do not use {{cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section.
Links on a BLP (WP:ELBLP) must be of high quality as they are held to higher standards.
I threw the ELCITE in the bundle, not because it is relevant here, but because so many articles are treating links in the section as references. I don't think five links become a link farm but thousands of articles seem to be a parking garage for sites that can be upward of 30 links in some cases. Over time, without due diligence, they seem to grow---and grow.
On a less popular article I might have just deleted one or more and the result should have been a discussion per WP:ELBURDEN: Disputed links should be excluded by default unless and until there is a consensus to include them., however, having had 5,645 editors, with 1,020 watchers, and 282,973 pageviews in 30 days, this is a VERY popular article, so there is likely a multitude of article "protectors".
If a site is added, just to be added, with no article benefit, it effectively becomes a link to be avoided (#4) and can be considered [[Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming|]].
The above is provided as the result of "External links cleanup". I am sure this will be considered from an article improvement point of view. Consensus may decide (or has decided) whether these links are acceptable in this article. Have a great day, Otr500 (talk) 04:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
RFC:Lead Image
Three possible portrait images for Christina Aguilera
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Hello! Just wondering, what does everyone think about changing Aguilera's lead to this? Assuming it passes all criteria - so far it looks good - I think it is slightly more appealing than the one on the left which shows her in a more slouched position. I think creating a RFC would be helpful in coming towards a consensus. Maxwell King12332106:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the alternative image is much better. I understand that her eyes are closed in that image, but the sunglasses in the current one cover half her face. Unless someone has a better image, I think changing it to the alternative is the right decision. 204060baby (talk) 09:04, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Article changes
As seen the past few days, I've made some changes trying to make the article more fluid, more encyclopedic, highlighting only the most notable events in Aguilera's career, as well as her achievements and legacy. I adapted the whole article and its sections inspired by those of Cher and Madonna. Here some points:
Particularly I don't see the need for a whole section about The Voice's back and forth, an album that didn't produce hits (Lotus) and participation in soundtracks that don't have any notable importance in her career. I tried to make it more fluid by grouping as "Bionic, acting debut in Burlesque, and Lotus". Not every album needs its own section. In Mariah's and Madonna's page (a feature article and a good article, respectively), it has section to two - and even three albums.
Excessive sources and details for certain events. Example: "The album was promoted through the EU / UK Summer Series promotional tour, which consisted of five festival shows throughout Europe and three arena concerts in the United Kingdom.[222][223][224][225] The promotional tour received critical praise.[226][227][228][229][230]". In fact, I think this only occurs in this article. Like, I want this to be promoted to a good article too, or even a featured article. But as it is, maybe it can be difficult.
The 'Public Image' section is full of information that is already covered throughout the article. In my edit, I tried to mention only the notable and emphasized 'Fashion' - which she has been known for since the beginning of her career.
About 'Public image' again. Is a section really needed to cover how she dressed and dyed her hair for each album release? It makes no sense.
All my edits were supported by reliable sources, mostly in the 'Fashion' section which is supported by leading fashion magazines. In changes to 100 million records sold I used a source from NME - the former was claiming sales of 90 million and supported by "AppleTV" (I opened it and it not even mentions 90 million or her worldwide sales) and NFTEvening (I don't think this is reliable). And even so, you all returned to the stats of 90 million with both uncertain sources. I don't understand it. Both sources were even removed in List of best-selling music artists due its unreliable.
None of my edits removed notable events in Aguilera's career. I only removed excessive details to make it fluid and encyclopedic. Note: The current article is longer than several other featured ones.
I'm not wanting - and I don't want to - that only my edits prevail, so I opened this discussion to point it. The article's final result - with the parts I added to the main article - is in my sandbox. I was excited about the possibility of helping to promote the article to feature here in the future, as I was able to do on Wikipedia in Portuguese. I will not make new edits in the article due my poor grammar. Unfortunately my English is not good - as you've noticed - but I think some changes could be fixed than just deleting everything and going back to the previous version with other of its notable problems. Anyway, feel free to use and adapt any part of the article in my sandbox, if you want to and get interested. Thanks and good luck! Melketon (talk) 16:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Actually a lot of what you wrote was really insightful - I think the main issue or problem was the delivery. Some of the wording was good but a lot of it wasn't grammatically correct. So rather than going through the whole page, 204060baby and I went through most of what you wrote and added back in / removed unnecessary details. I know they have been trying to cut down the lead / some of the other sections for a while now so thank you for your work. No work is ever wasted after all. We will take what you wrote into consideration! Maxwell King12332107:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The InStyle source used for the marriage date says November 19, not November 18. Please correct and the divorce month in the People Magazine source says "It will be final in April 2011" February 2011 was just the date of the article. Please correct them both. 2A00:23C7:1104:F601:A1BE:310B:E1A0:5C81 (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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Maxwell King123321 07:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
