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The result was no consensus‎. – Joe (talk) 10:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Stetina

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I nominated this before but it was closed as no consensus since there were no other participates. Same reasoning as before applies: fails WP:MUSICBIO and quite promotional. Can’t find any in-depth sources on the subject. The cited Washington Post article [1] is about the subject’s father, Wayne Stetina. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~ Strong Delete. I suggest that, if nobody comes to support it, it should be considered as a prod. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. This subject is not notable enough for an article. Qflib (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To be notable through publishing works on how to play guitar, we would need in-depth published reviews of those works, and I don't see them. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Keep on a hunch (i.e., easily overruled). Coverage is basically blog and genre-magazine style, which needs a lot to add up to notability, but there is a lot out there (even discounting some that seem more like PR/Press-release interview type). Head of department (conservatories often don't have traditional academic ranks) but of a small department. Each part of his career adds up to slightly less than the relevant notability guideline, but together they peek just over the edge for me. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any non-blog, non-PR sources you would like to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He is well known in the guitar community and among musicians for his instruction releases. The problem is that this article is poorly sourced so I can see why it attracts a deletion nom. I know that his Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy (2001) is quite popular. Yes of course, it takes more than good sales. His Fretboard Mastery was very popular too. He's had articles about him in various guitar mags both paper and online. The Guitarist magazine March 1993 is one. He had article beside Dominic Miller and Tony Zemaitis as you can see. The Guitar Noise website which is a huge go-to source for axmen and axeladies refers to Stetina as an "internationally recognized guitarist and music educator". There's others too but I don't want to get too caught up with this one. Further info below
* This is from the magazine, Modern Drummer, September 1993 - Page 106 SPEED AND THRASH METAL DRUM METHOD by Troy Stetina and Charlie Busher.
* And there's an article by Stetina published in Guitar One, Volume 9, No 2 February 2006 - Page 176 RETURN OF THE SHRED Come Together Two Essential Hybrid Scales
There's more but searching gets flooded with the dozens of releases he has had put out. Karl Twist (talk) 12:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Those two books on Amazon have about 200 reviews each. This one is ranked 16,000+ in Music Instruction & Study. By no stretch of the imagination are these "popular" books and they don't contribute to notability.
- Is this an article he wrote?
- 1) The Guitar Noise website seems to be just a group blog about how to play the guitar. 2) The link you gave is just him responding to someone else's comment. That "internationally recognized" line is a promotional line he wrote himself (as per his own website).
- The two articles in Modern Drummer and Guitar one are articles written by Stetina not articles about Stetina. They don't contribute to notability. You would need to find in-depth articles about Stetina.
Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Amazon books have more reviews than releases by so-called main-stream artists. They do appear to be quite popular! And I wasn't trying to use them as proof of notability. Just to give an idea of what the guy's exposure is. Somebody in Germany must have heard of him, there's a German Wikipedia article (needs work) See here.
Forget the Guitar Noise one, that wasn't the one I meant to put in. Sorry. It was another online music news source. I have to try and remember. There was also a reliable source good size review on that I thought I had put in but for the life of me it's vanished. I went back though the page history and it isn't there. Maybe I thought I did. Perhaps it was on notepad, and I closed it before I had edited it in. It was similar to the Fret 12 review but not related to the sale of the product. The Modern Drummer (if it isn't about him) and Guitar One still show his profile. They are well-respected and notable publications. Well, there's no article page for Guitar One yet.
The articles below are relaible,

OnMilwaukee, Apr 07, 2005 - Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home By Bobby Tanzilo

Metal Shock Finland, October 13, 2011 - Interview with TROY STETINA: Music truly is the world’s best hope to cross borders, cross cultures and show humanity what we have in common. Interview by Mohsen Fayyazi

Maximum Ink Madison's music magazine, September 2012 - Second Soul
AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL BY MIKE HUBERTY

Guitariste Metal, 3 Octobre 2014 - Troy Stetina interview
And these below are helpful,

The Journal Times, Sep 25, 2013 - Center Stage /Oversoulss /5-19 - By Loreen Mohr

The Journal Times, - Center Stage/Oversoulss - By Loreen Mohr
Easily notable! He's had a huge influence on a good amount of major notable guitarists. I can find more but I have been drawn into this as I do sometimes and have neglected other stuff.
Thanks
Karl Twist (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but almost all of those sources are interviews with the subject. Interviews are considered primary sources and they don’t contribute to notability. The only non-interview source in there is the Journal Times article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again Dr. Swag Lord . Well actually the first part of the OnMilwaukee article is not interview. The subject was researched (as it's the normal procedure) before the interview was conducted. And if considered primary, it's not like it's from the subject's own site anyway. Yes, I understand that primary sources and sources related to the subject themselves cannot be used to support content in a page. By that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at the status of the subject and the reliable sources that support the assertion that he is a notable person. The Maximum Ink is similar. Well, the first 196 worlds / 15 sentences (not including the title) are about him and not by him. The interview is secondary. There are two Journal Times articles. Then there's the Modern Drummer article by Matt Pieken about his book-cd combo, Speed and Thrash Metal Drum Method that he did with Charlie Bushor. It's about his work, not written by him.
Going on what user Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert said earlier with "together they peek just over the edge", well with what I've come up with, the interviews by respected news sources etc., his contributions to major music magazines etc., collectively they well and truly sit on top of the table. And the Modern Drummer review proves it more. And this below, a C&P of what I edited into the article page,
According to La Scena Musicale, Stetina was booked along with Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, and Jonathan Kreisberg to appear at the Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival which ran from August 13 to 15, 2015, at the Sharon Lynne Wilson Center for the Arts. La Scena Musicale, 3 August 2015 - International Guitar Legends Headlining Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival: 2015 Artists include Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, Jonathan Kreisberg, Troy Stetina
It's obvious when Stetina is mentioned in the same headline such as these premier artists, he's well and widely known in various fields and notable. His volume of work speaks for itself, especially when artists such as Mark Tremonti, Michael Angelo Batio, Bill Peck, and Eric Friedman appear on Troy Stetina: The Sound and the Story etc. etc.. For him not to be notable would be an exception to the rule.

Karl Twist (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Modern Drummer article is a short review of one of Stetina’s books. It has no in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities.

Please note, the article in La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. At the bottom of the article it states: “LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee. See the media kit at our advertising page at https://myscena.org/advertising”. Since that is an ad paid for by the band it is not RS and does not add to notability.

You say there’s two Journal Times articles, but you linked to the same one twice.

Please take a look at WP:NOTINHERITED. Just because the subject has been associated with notable individuals does not make him notable himself.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a further note, “metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are certainly not RSs (obviously blog sources). Also, Maximum Ink seems WP:QS at best. There’s no published editorial board, no published editorial policies. Additionally, it’s quite suspicious that the article links to the Wikipedia page of Tony Stetina and links to places where you can purchase Stetina’s CD (seems pretty promotional to me). Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Modern Drummer review isn't what I would call short. It's an acceptable size. It's not supposed to be about an "in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities". It's a review of his work.

Ok if one of them such as La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. There's enough of the other! And as I mentioned with Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert saying "but together they peek just over the edge for me", I go further and say there's enough reliable stuff to sit him on top of the table!

Sorry my bad about the Journal Times. Yes, it was one article. There was the additional updated page.

Well the WP:NOTINHERITED would be the card to pull out if there were no other good supporting info about him. But thankfully there is! The point I made about him being associated with notable individuals was that he is regarded as prominent.

“metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are possibly blog type in format. But the first one has been used to reference around fifty+ pages here, (most of them about heavy metal no surprise) and is a respected source of info.

Nothing suspicious or promotional about the German page for Troy Stetina. Because he's been so prolific with his published works, the searches get flooded with them and for someone who has German as a first language and English as second, this is how a page would be likely to add up. I'm not going to make any assertions about lazy editing because I'm not going to judge an editor's ability. I'd just go with the language thing.
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 09:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well since the topic of this article is Troy Stetina, the Modern Dummer review fails WP:SIGCOV. There’s no material about Stetina specifically. If you really think metal shock Finland is an RS, then I think I’ll open up a discussion on RSN. Also, I never mentioned the German Wikipedia page—I was referencing the Maximum Ink article that has a link at the bottom directing us to Stetina’s en WP page. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I opened a RSN discussion on the above source: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#metalshockfinland Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Modern Drummer article doesn't fail anything! It's just a good review of a release of his. A review in a well-respected publication. Actually, you said earlier (18:29, 11 June 2024) that it was written by him. It was actually written by Matt Pieken. And actually, I believe that somewhere here someone said that there were no reviews of his work. Well there's the Matt Pieken review in Modern Drummer and another which I have to re-find. Incidentally, Pieken has done reviews for artists such as Jane's Addiction. And OK, minus one Metal Shock by Mohsen Fayyazi if it be so. Well, we still have good enough on him to support the Keep status.
Yes, I see that you've opened an RSN discussion on Metal Shock. OK, what can I say.
The fact that Stetina has written for two of the two of the biggest selling guitar mags is additional proof of his status. He was employed by Guitar One and wrote for Guitar World. Just a quick grab of the Ozwinds site where it says, "Go inside the mind of one of the most accomplished guitar instructors in history", you said something previously that this was copied from his website. Well, perhaps one or two others may have done this, or he has copied on to his website what has been said about him. Most to the majority of sites refer to him as something similar, I guess this is because this is what he is!
To tell the truth I'm not that keen on heavy metal or this type of music. I had heard of Stetina in the past but didn't know that much about him. If I didn't think he was notable I would have just gone for a re-direct or maybe wouldn't have bothered at all.
Karl Twist (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really don’t think where he was employed or what magazines he written for are relevant for notability. Do you have any other sources to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin, Even though I believe there's enough on Troy Stetina to warrant a keep, could I ask please that if the consensus eventually leans towards a deletion, you might consider redirecting rather than deleting? There are a number of possibilities. One would be Mark Tremonti who has a historical and ongoing musical association with Stetina. There was already a mention of him there on the page. I have also done a bit more. There's other content that would eventually go in there as per the normal growth of an article. This is regardless of a deletion or not. If in the event of a deletion consideration, that would probably be the best. Perhaps if the Guitar One article was created, that would be another one as Stetina was involved with the magazine for some time as a writer and contributor. Then there could be his brothers Dale and Wayne where a paragraph could be. They're only stubs at the moment. With a re-direct, the history can be preserved which IMO is always a good thing.
I would like to do more to fix the subject's page as it is a mess. Sadly, my time is limited and I am neglecting other things. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as I don't see a consensus yet and different assessments of the existing sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy	Book authored by Stetina			✘ No
Fretboard Mastery [With CD] by Troy Stetina	Book authored by Stetina			✘ No
Guitar Noise	Stetina is responding to a reader's comment	Appears to be a WP:BLOG		✘ No
Modern Drummer Issue 166			~ This is a review of one of Stetina's books. There is no mention/WP:SIGCOV of Stetina at all	~ Partial
Guitar One Magazine February 2006	Article authored by Stetina			✘ No
OnMilwaukee Interview	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject			✘ No
Metalshockfinland	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	Seems to be a randomWP:SPS		✘ No
Maximum Ink Interview	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	? A non-notable, local music magazine. Can't find editorial polices, editorial board, etc.. The interview also contains a link to Stetina's Wikipedia page at the bottom and links to purchase the subject's CDs. Appears WP:QS and WP:PROMOTIONAL		✘ No
guitariste-metal.fr	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	Appears to be a random WP:SPS		✘ No
Ad in La Seine Musicale	WP:SPONSORED-content by the band	WP:SPONSORED-content by the band		✘ No
The Journal Times				✔ Yes
Billboard Jan 1995			Single, passing mention of Stetina of a video he hosted	✘ No
www.ultimate-guitar.com	? Likely a press release	As per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” This particular reference has no bylined author so it likely a press release/WP:UGC.		✘ No
Musicradar	Interview with one of Stetina's bandmates		~	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as there is enough coverage in total including prose part of interviews, and a review for a narrow pass of WP:GNG. Also Ultimate Guitar is listed as a reliable source at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources although the particular reference is possibly a press release so doesn't help, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews don’t count towards GNG as they are a primary source. Also Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" (list of staff writers) or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” As you stated, the reference is likely a press release. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 19:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Dr. Swag Lord, your created document isn't an official guide to follow! Also, it isn't accurate!

Actually, the OnMilwaukee Interview that you mention (properly named:"Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home" By Bobby Tanzilo) is an article-interview combo. The article part is sufficient to support the page.
The Maximum Ink Interview (Properly named:"Second Soul

AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL" BY MIKE HUBERTY ) is an article and interview combo. The article section is sufficient to support the page

The La Seine Musicale wasn't sponsored by the band. If sponsored as you say as per "LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee.", which band as you say?? Was it Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, or Jonathan Kreisberg?
The Metal Shock Finland, October 13, 2011 interview is an interview yes. It has been used around 50 plus times here to reference articles. I'm not putting it forth as a supporter for the page.
I'm trying to find the article that goes with this eBay photo of Troy Stetina. The photographer was George P. Koshollek and it is date-stamped FR DEC 5 1986 as per on the back. The cut-out stub says "Roll over, Beethoven. Here comes Troy Stetina" and has -Sentinel photo beside it. Could it be from the Milwaukee Sentinel?
I even more stand by what I said that Stetina is a notable subject. His being a writer for two of the largest guitar mags in the US as well as holding guitar clinics in events that have internationally known prestigious artists is just one aspect. Many others ... etc. etc. etc. Below is an interesting indicator from Jstor,
BOOK CHAPTER
But That Doesn’t Help Me on Guitar!: Unraveling the Myth of the
Self-Taught Metal Guitarist
Kevin EbertFrom: Connecting Metal to Culture: Unity in Disparity, Intellect (2017)
Edition: 1
...and Heavy Metal Lead Guitar Vol. 1&2 by Troy Stetina are two such examples. Also noteworthy is his 1991,
Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar In an interview with Guitariste Métal, Stetina was asked about his sales figure
he replied: Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar is the biggest seller now. Maybe 300,000...
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 04:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rave the Reqviem

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Nothing of notability in the bands history, additionally many of the references are primary Facebook posts about their band members history etc and I'm unable to find any significant coverage of the band online, outside of some album reviews from smaller blogs. InDimensional (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, meets GNG, I found three sources with significant coverage of the band in Swedish media with a quick web search. [2] [3] [4] AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added these and other sources into the article now. AlexandraAVX (talk) 11:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per WP:GNG. Added sources since nom are good as well.BabbaQ (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article meets WP:GNG. Additionally, sources added since the nomination provide substantial coverage, confirming the band's notability. Waqar💬 17:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per Alex dxneo (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As initial author I'm going to abstain from voting due to bias, but I'd just like to thank the people who found the Swedish sources to put this article in-line with GNG. It's better than what I was able to find. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets GNG.Dowrylauds (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Withdrawn by nominator and with consensus of participants.(non-admin closure) (non-admin closure) ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Fox (musician)

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Unsourced and non-notable. No WP:RS that I can find. — Iadmc ♫^talk 09:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw as the article is not what it was when nominated and is well sourced and written— Iadmc ♫^talk 11:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The charted singles help with notability, but this was in the pre-internet era, have to dig around the archives to find sourcing... Oaktree b (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: Didn't chart high enough to get critical attention here in Canada, tried several newspaper archives and there is nothing about this person. Nothing in the Wikipedia Library either. Oaktree b (talk) 14:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Added an article (from ProQuest) that had information about Steve Fox which suggests there may be more coverage to be found. Steve Fox is a tough name to search for. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There appear to be several musicians of this name. One from the Japanese band the Godiegos who might not be the same person but appears at the top of the Google search. — Iadmc ♫^talk 08:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it meets WP:GNG, WP:CREATIVE and WP:HEY. Article when it was nominated was an unreferenced BLP, but we have now added several articles that focus on award-winning Nashville-based Canadian country music singer-songwriter Steve Fox, who has been the focus of local Canadian newspaper articles such as "Coquitlam's Steve Fox making a name in Nashville" and "Writing his ticket; Steve Fox's songs have made it big, now it's his turn", and was often mentioned in Billboard magazine and other industry magazines about Canadian expats in Nashville. There are 200+ hits on ProQuest when you search for "Steve Fox" "songwriter", and not all of them are worth adding to his article, but it strongly suggests the article can be easily expanded and improved further where we have "citation needed" tags, which is important per WP:BLP. @Oaktree b: Pinging for reconsideration. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your edits are most welcome! I may now consider withdrawing the nomination if no one objects — Iadmc ♫^talk 09:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Iadmc. Technically we need @Oaktree b to agree and change their !vote in order to be able to withdraw; otherwise it needs to run the full week, but your willingness to withdraw certainly counts for something and is appreciated. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I tried to source the cn tags to no avail but he may yet be written up in a Canadian music journal or somesuch which would help — Iadmc ♫^talk 10:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iadmc No doubt you qualify for Wikipedia Library so for sure log in (it's improved a lot since it was first launched) and take a look at ProQuest – I was able to search on one of the song names and immediately found three more articles. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried ProQuest but need to be logged in. I'll try it out though — Iadmc ♫^talk 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iadmc Right. First you log in to Wikipedia Library, and then you look for ProQuest on the main splash page, and then you connect from there for access via Wikipedia Library. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I'm in! — Iadmc ♫^talk 11:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with the sources above, we have enough for musical notability. I've adjusted my !vote. Oaktree b (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 06:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Metcalfe (musician)

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Self-authored Wikipedia about a non-notable musician. Half of the references on the page don't even mention him, and the ones that do only make a single passing mention of his involvement in some non-notable experimental indie band. The only substantial and reliable source I can find talking about him in any depth is this but, other than that, crickets. Elspamo4 (talk) 03:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't see notability in the sources given; what I find are all related to Lufthaus, which I think involves the same person as this AfD. Redirect there might be fine. Oaktree b (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Three 6 Mafia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koopsta Knicca

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The sourcing and coverage surrounding this deceased rapper seems to be very borderline by WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC standards. This is more of a request to see if any better sourcing can be found, though I am bringing this here because it's very possible that this could just end up being tossed out. The only three independent sources on this page are announcements about his death in 2015, he does not appear to have received significant coverage for anything else he did, and the rest are just links to buy his albums on Amazon, which are in no way acceptable as sources. He does not appear to have had a solo album that ever charted or got certified. I'm unsure if what's here is enough to establish notability, so I will refrain from voting (though, if consensus comes to deleting it, I would support a redirect to Three 6 Mafia, the unmistakably notable group that he was once a member of) and so I will leave the decision to everyone else. JeffSpaceman (talk) 20:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Three 6 Mafia: I can only find his name associated with the group, [5], outside of dying there isn't much coverage of him. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Three 6 Mafia. Not worthy of a standalone article as his solo work is not notable, with barely any content about his career in the article and excessive sourcing of Amazon, which is definitely not a viable source. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 08:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Three 6 Mafia as there is otherwise insufficient standalone coverage outside of the obits. WmLawson (talk) 00:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fluxion (electronic musician)

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Contested PROD. No significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 23:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Weak keep~~ has an AllMusic staff written bio here and four staff written album reviews here, here, here and here. There is also coverage in XLR8R here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep moving to full keep after a full search which as well as the above mentioned sources found coverage in Exclaim here, Resident Advisor here, The Quitus here, and a Polish source here. I'm not familiar with the Polish source but the other coverage is in reliable sources so I believe WP:GNG is passed so that deletion is unnecessary imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – it needs more refs but, given Atlantic306's success at finding some potential additions I'm pursuaded by the artist's discography. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 22:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Novembre (band)

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No evidence of any notability. There are everal spin-off articles detailing each disc, but these also have only reviews as their sources. This article has a single source and searches don't find anything better. Fails WP:BAND and all their discography articles fail similarly. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 19:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the band article as has reliable sources coverage in AllMusic here and here, Sputnik Music here and here, and Chronicles of Chaos here here and here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect the album articles to the band as there isn't enough content and coverage to justify standalone articles, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the band article which now has the sources from all the album articles I've just redirected, except URSA which has keeping potential with more reliable sourcing than the other articles.SirZPthundergod9001 (talk) 00:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment reviews do not help in asserting notability if the whole article fails WP:BAND, which it still does. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 08:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

reviews of their music contribute to their notability in criteria 1 of WP:NBAND in the same way that reviews of books contrbute to the notability of an author, and reviews of artist's exhibitions contribute to the notability of an artist and so on regarding other creative people, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Contrary to what the nominator claims, reviews help satisfy the very first criterion: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself [...] such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media". Novembre also blatantly meets WP:NBAND#5. Furthermore, there are lot more sources. Metal.de alone has 6 reviews [6], Rock Hard (magazine) has 7 reviews [7] etc. Geschichte (talk) 19:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, have found some extra sources here, here,here, here,here, and small news items news here. Metal Hammer, New Noise Magazine, and Metal Storm are reliable sources but i'm not familiar with the other Italian ones, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emiliano Bucci

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The subject is apparently some sort of public school teacher/pianist. I could not find any indication of notability. BLP has had no non-circular references since 2006. The result of the previous AfD in 2007 was no consensus. I am unable to apply BLPPROD due to external links. XabqEfdg (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing came up on Google. Found two archived references from his Italian article, which are questionable per "WP:TEACHER" RolandSimon (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete -- most claims to notability here are of the "inherited" kind. Otherwise normal career of a working musician. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 19:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Newton

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The article seems to attempt to inherit notability from Wayne Newton, Jerry's younger brother. WP:NOTINHERITED applies. Checking the references is challenging. Jerry does appear, generally with reference to the sibling, and as a passing reference to Jerry. The article seems to be more a tribute (WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies) than anything else. Jerry was obviously notable to those who loved and respected him, but the references do not show a pass of any of WP:BIO, WP:NMUSICIAN, nor WP:NACTOR. Releasing records does not mean notability, nor does a bit part in an episode of Bonanza where he is listed as a cast member, but his part was not a named character. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I agree with the nominator, as Jerry had a minor career as an entertainer but with no achievements on his own that satisfy our notability requirements. He is only mentioned briefly in sources about his much more famous brother. This article is probably an attempted memorial. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NOTMEMORIAL certainly and his career is alongside his brother, then minor bit parts and a lawsuit...— Iadmc ♫^talk 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Jerry is mentioned in Wayne Newton § Early years, but that doesn't really look promising as a redirect target. Maybe a suitable Fandom/Miraheze site can accept what currently passes for this brother's article? (Disclaimer: A recent Teahouse thread brought me here.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 08:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Wayne Newton. There's potential for five extra articles that can have him as a redirect. Simple solution and we can also preserve the history as well. Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 03:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SolarX

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No indication that this person is notable. Count Count (talk) 08:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Completely unsourced stub, and no indication of notability. Seems to me that it would even qualify for speedy deletion under criterion A7, but I'm not entirely sure, since the article has some history (and was created in 2005). CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The musical act called SolarX has no coverage beyond basic streaming and self-promotional sites, while Dr. Belavkin is an academic who is listed briefly in corresponding professional directories. Neither way does he meet WP requirements for notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Star Mississippi 01:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Lost Symbols

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Does not meet WP:BAND. Also, There are not enough sources to determine notability.

The ref used in the article is irrelevant to the page's subject. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 05:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamara Yajia

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Does not meet WP:BIO, or the notability standards for authors or comedians. No SIGCOV, one self published book with no reviews, no secondary coverage for writing or comedy. Links in article are either dead links about twitter presence or interviews, a search turned up no other evidence of notability. Ruth Bader Yinzburg (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I suppose having a funny twitter could be notable, but what's used for sourcing now is brief mentions. I can't find anything outside of social media; not meeting notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portable (musician)

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The subject lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. The references provided are either not substantial or do not offer in-depth analysis. Also as of WP:GNG The General Notability Guideline requires that biographies of living persons must be covered in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Portable's media coverage does not meet this threshold. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 23:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment After reading your reasons of why you nominated the article. I had to start laughing because they obviously make no sense lol. They were not even better than why the article was accepted in the first place through AFC. You thought am gonna act like you who defend article because of the effort being made just like you said here but No I don't do such. You thought wikipedia is a place of war but no it's not. TheTechie has also warned you on your talk page but I guess its also high time I report you to SilkTork. I would also like SilkTork to see this too for reference.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it clearly passes the general notability guidelines. OhHaiMark (talk) 15:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Deletion is not cleanup. The article is probably in a bad state but deleting is not the way. The subject has been nominated for The Headies twice. Their songs with Olamide and Skepta has been topping charts. A WPBEFORE shows this. Best, Reading Beans 07:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: I don't get the nomination. What's really the monitors rationale? WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV? They are already there in the article. Meets WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This article is notable because it meets WP:GNG. It requires some amount of clean up, not deletion. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 21:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject is notable, the article just needs to be cleaned up. If there's anyone who could look into it would help as well. Jamiebuba (talk) 17:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Louisa Rachel Solomon

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No obvious reason why bandmember should have own page. Doesn't seem to pass WP:BANDMEMBER. Very few internal links. Seaweed (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as "Louisa Solomon" (as this article should be called) easily meets WP:BASIC. Agree that not every band member should have their own Wikipedia article, but in her case, it is justified because of the focused coverage she has received about her anti-Zionist views while identifying as Jewish and queer. This was discussed in The Washington Post (Online) in 2014 when the band's scheduled performance at a festival run by the DC Jewish Community Center was canceled due to her stated political views. There is also a 2014 Wall Street Journal Online article about her as well as the band. If you compare the band's article (The Shondes) with her biography, the two are distinct – and it's important to note that many reviews about The Shondes (e.g. in Rolling Stone) don't even discuss their religion and politics and the band also includes at least one non-Jewish member. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's a fair point, but I just don't see the notability myself. Doesn't seem that significant to merit an entire article. Maybe one sentence in the band's page at best in context of the cancelled concert. Seaweed (talk) 18:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There is additional coverage about Louisa Solomon becoming the on-campus rabbi at The New School in 2023 in this article in NY Jewish Week and about her involvement in an October 2023 rally organized by Jewish Voice for Peace, where she brought her two children in this 2023 The New York Times article. Both have now been added to the article. Taken cumulatively with the coverage already mentioned in my keep !vote above, it demonstrates WP:SUSTAINED coverage over time for a Jewish punk musician who is also a rabbi-in-training and a political activist. Cielquiparle (talk) 01:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has significant reliable sources coverage such as The Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, After Ellen, and The New York Times so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allan von Schenkel

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this unreferenced article about a musician, and not found anything to add. I don't think he meets WP:NMUSIC, WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Tacyarg (talk) 09:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't find any mentions of this musician, I don't see awards or charted singles. Not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No verifiable source. Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN, not notable for now. Be icaverraverra]] _talk 02:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Julia Kova

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The significance of the person is not visible in WP: MUSIC. Among the links are her official website and social networks.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Val Ramos

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this unreferenced biography of a musician, and cannot find coverage to add. I do not think the subject meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMUSIC. Tacyarg (talk) 00:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cele De

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Fails WP:NBAND as I could not find any coverage in sources to back up any claims made in the article. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as it fails both WP:GNG and WP:BAND. Proquest yields concert listings from April 2006; Newspapers.com turns up one from September 2004; and Google found a listing in Metro Silicon Valley from March 2006 which is now cited in the article. So we can verify that the band was real and that it had five members and that it booked some gigs. That's it. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Deletion rationale should be more specific on which notability guideline the nominator believes this article subject fails. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dean Webb

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Doesn't meet the notability guideline. Knowledgegatherer23 (Say Hello) 21:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note to the closing admin. I would like ask please that if by chance the consensus leans towards deletion, we look at redirecting the page to Ivor Kirchin, Basil Kirchin as he was a member of The Kirchin Band for a year, having replaced the featured singer Rory Blackwell in 1957. Webb stayed with the band for a year and I believe sang on at least two recordings. He was involved with both Ivor and Basil. This would also preserve the history. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 06:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there's a couple of good articles in the The British Newspaper archive. Unfortunately its pay so you can read thing. There's also this article with his picture below,
Disc, No. 67 Week ending May 16, 1959 - Page 7 THE BLACKSMITH WHO PREFERRED BEAT TO THE ANVIL CHORUS, Big break
I haven't got time to comb through the other UK music trade magazines and a lot of the earlier ones can't be word searched. So it's a case of having to go through all the content of this often faded but thankfully preserved historical music info.
I'm satisfied to call this a keep. Karl Twist (talk) 10:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as has reliable newspaper coverage as referenced in the article so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. The rough consensus is that the sources don't support a claim of notability according to Wikipedia's guideline for actors. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Griffin Burns

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WP:BLP of a voice actor and singer, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for actors or singers. As always, neither actors nor singers are automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them and their work -- but this is very heavily reference bombed to primary sources that are not support for notability (songs sourced to Spotify or YouTube or their own lyrics on Genius, acting credits sourced to IMDb, YouTube "interviews" where he's talking about himself, Facebook posts, etc.), with virtually no evidence of GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about him shown at all.
This is different enough in form from the prior versions that I wouldn't feel comfortable speedying it as a recreation of deleted content without a new discussion, but it hasn't built any stronger case for the subject passing any notability criteria than the prior versions did. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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sorry for the late response, been busy. i believe that Griffin's article does fall under notability due to him being cast in multiple significant roles in noteworthy projects (tartaglia in genshin, nate adams from yokai watch, Mule from berserk). Minmarion (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The notability test for an actor is not "has been in stuff"; having acting roles is literally an actor's job description, meaning that by definition every actor who exists at all has had acting roles and wouldn't be an actor at all if they hadn't, so quite literally every actor who exists at all would be "inherently" notable if simply listing acting roles were all it took.
The notability test for an actor requires reliable source coverage about him and his performances in real media, demonstrating that his performances have been independently verified as significant ones by somebody other than his own public relations agent. Bearcat (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:NOTABILITY is quite clear, an article must pass either the general notability guidelines, or a subject specific guideline. WP:ENTERTAINER states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Voice actors, and others on the list there as entertainers, are notable for their work, not what others say about it. You can see how many episodes the characters he voices are in for each series listed, so these are significant roles, not a one time minor character. Dream Focus 23:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how notability per NACTOR works. Like I said above, every actor can list roles, so every actor would automatically be "inherently" notable if simply listing roles were all it took — so notability as an actor doesn't vest in simply listing roles, and does require evidence of reliable source about him and his performances. Reliable sources have to tell us whether any given role is "significant" enough to count toward NACTOR #1 in the first place, which they do by writing third-party coverage about it. Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not all actors have notable roles. If you had reliable sources, it'd pass the general notability guidelines, and so the subject specific guidelines would have no reason to exist. More than one way to determine notability, this how it was setup from the beginning. Dream Focus 03:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay here's the deal let's not be deletion of Griffin Burns i mean he did not get any wrong article you suppose to fix the wikipedia of Griffin Burns without copying and risk of deletion article, this guys is best voice actor he appeared many TV shows and anime and video games i remember watching his voice appearing from Netflix Griffin Burns is a Top of Voice Actor genre, So I repeat Restart the Article without copying other people on wikipedia and without risk of deletion. Top-Gman3304 (talk) 14:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and WP:SALT for a least a year due to almost no sources that can establish notability. Biography section could be made one sentence due to the weakness of the sources. Most of the article is sources that would not pass a reliability test. I've tried to look at this from other angles, but there's nothing here to get this article to the next level or be kept. Esw01407 (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I looked at these source and it's IMDB and IMDB-like sites, blogs, podcasts, some of them don't even mention him. One is the results of high school cross country races. A great deal of effort was made to make this feel like a Wikipedia article but idk... I've done archival research, I could drum up dozens of references that mention the name of hilariously non-notable people and format them in Wikipedia citation templates if I had an afternoon to kill. None of these sources seem to be independent, non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. --Here2rewrite (talk) 16:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matteo Ciceroni

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Does not appear to meet the criteria for WP:NMUSIC or WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michalis Koumbios

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The subject is not notable. There are few (if any) reliable secondary sources; the single source used is apparently from 2006 and only available through archive.is. LoganP25 (talk) 00:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I see that many reliable Greek media have posted about him: 1)https://www.athensvoice.gr/city-guide/music/492901/mihalis-koympios/ 2) https://www.naftemporiki.gr/culture/1405577/stagones-o-synthetis-michalis-koympios-sto-megaro-moysikis-athinon/ 3) https://www.athensvoice.gr/city-guide/music/350565/mihalis-koympios-apanthisma-sto-idryma-mihalis-kakogiannis/ 4) https://toprotoselido.gr/i-fm-records-paroysiazei-ti-nea-tis-kykloforia-quot-magical-rebetiko-quot/ 5) https://www.newsbreak.gr/politismos/434321/michalis-koympios-paroysiazei-stagones-megaro-moysikis-athinon-2/ 6) https://www.naftemporiki.gr/culture/371889/michalis-koubios-ta-provlimata-mas-einai-gigantia-kai-epeigonta/ 7) https://www.in.gr/2016/04/26/life/music/o-mixalis-koympios-se-ena-theama-poikilwn-metamorfwsewn/ 8) https://www.ethnos.gr/music/article/184189/miltospasxalidhstoneosingletoystonoyranometoysmixalhkoympiokaithrodef 9) https://www.tovima.gr/2017/11/24/culture/mixalis-koympios-paroysiazei-to-almpoym-tsikari-m-ston-stayro-toy-notoy/ With that being said, the article needs to be improved though, in order to include that material. (Note: I am a newcomer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.) ArchidamusIII (talk) 15:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Analysis of ArchidamusIII's sources:

Ad or listing for a performance, doesn't qualify for the GNG (not SIGCOV, independent)
Ditto
Similar, but might have significant coverage
Significant coverage, but I'm not sure if this is a paid promotional piece.
Clearly promotional concert advertising
Interview (not independent), probably also promotional
Another concert listing
A review! – this might count towards the GNG, but it doesn't actually say much about Koumbios, so it probably isn't sigcov
Yet another concert listing

I'm sorry, ArchidamusIII, but I don't think any of these sources show that the subject is notable. If you can find others that show significant coverage, I am willing to change my !vote, but based on these and what's in the article I am in favor of deletion. Toadspike [Talk] 07:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I've tried finding album reviews for this individual, none in RS. Some concert listings found, but none of the sources above seem helpful. I don't see notability with what's given. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I see an agreement that there is sufficient coverage in sources. (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freya Jayawardana

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this subject doesn't meet WP:GNG criteria and can't stand-alone (WP:NLIST) as a musician (WP:MUSIC and WP:BANDMEMBER). May this subject have to be redirect to List of JKT48 members page. Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 17:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. She may not be as famous like a Hollywood celebrity. However, she is one of the notable members of JKT48. WJetChao (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: coverage (IDN Media, Kompas) seems to show she's notable enough. A redirect to the list the nominator mentioned may also be considered indeed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion published by the media is only non-trivial and not related to what is being discussed in the article. Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 07:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only non-trivial? WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 14:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of JKT48 members. Most, if not all, sources in the article refer to her status as a member of JKT48. Ckfasdf (talk) 00:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The sources are on her specifically and not JKT48 in general. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 15:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bass 305

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Non-notable band. Fails WP:BAND. SL93 (talk) 04:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Explain the nomination, SL93. See WP:JNN under arguments to avoid and also WP:BEFORE. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did do WP:BEFORE. I already explained the nomination. Just read WP:BAND. I refuse to regurgitate the guideline. SL93 (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poitín (band)

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The founder and main contributor of the site is apparently someone from the band and the page is more a self-presentation. FromCzech (talk) 04:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your thoughts. Do you have any suggestions to avoid it being deleted? Poitin31 (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as well how to avoid deletion (I'm not a member of this band in case of any accusation of self-presentation). Kmarty (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If the band does not meet WP:BAND criteria, there is no way to prevent deletion. FromCzech (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I cannot see multiple reliable sources having covered this band in sufficient detail to meet notability requirements. C 679 13:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Contreras

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I found mentions of the subject in reliable sources, but I didn't find significant coverage. The single reference in the article only verifies that Contreras worked with Current 93 and Baby Dee. toweli (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. It is possible with enough time there would be enough participation to come to a consensus, but this has already been relisted twice. Malinaccier (talk) 18:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supersci

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Nominated by an IP user: Non-notable group, going by available sources. Both with its current ("Supersci") and its former ("Superscientifiku") name, the group is mentioned on some Swedish websites, but with very few exceptions (e.g. Sundsvalls Tidning) either these sources are non-reliable, or the subject is mentioned only in passing. GrabUp - Talk 18:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment In 2007, their "Pinetrees On The Pavement" (the song or the album?) was nominated (did not win) at sv:Manifestgalan (cannot link or the link disappears, for some reason). Source at Göteborgs-Posten here, and at Manifestgalan here. I doubt it's enough for actual notability, but it's something. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2011, their "Timelines" was nominated (again, did not win) at the sv:P3 Guld. Example sources, at Sveriges Television here, and at Sveriges Radio P3 here. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I've added three different sources that provide significant coverage. The article meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can’t check offline sources, but linked sources are not WP:SIGCOV.

1st source: Are only sayings of connected ones of the subject, no in-depth coverage of the subject.
4rth source: Nomination list of the award P3, I don’t know how much this award is notable. GrabUp - Talk 04:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1st source: I see what you mean, though the offline sources are more independent of the subject.
4th source: The nomination doesn't confer notability, but I thought it was worth mentioning since it was brought up in the AfD. AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found the third source (or at least an article about the same thing by the same author) online, so added it to the article if you want to take a look. AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - Sources and added sources since nom shows notability at least per WP:NMUSIC at this time. I say Weak Keep. BabbaQ (talk) 09:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. The Allmusic sources are a start, but consensus appears to be in favor to delete the article. Malinaccier (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Najma Akhtar

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC Dowrylauds (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No coverage found for a musician, this appears to be a different person [8]. The sourcing used in the article now isn't enough to meet notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep in this reliable AllMusic staff written bio here it states that her second album reached No. 4 on the Billboard World Music chart and that another of her albums sold 50,000 copies in Japan. Some album reviews here, and here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Applied and presented sources fail GNG, ANYBIO and NMUSIC; nothing approaching RS covering this BLP. BusterD (talk) 17:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Discarding canvassed votes and views not based on P&G, there is rough consensus to delete. Owen× ☎ 13:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salman Muqtadir

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Most of the sources cover the police investigating him. That is not enough to satisfy WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: An article that doesn't meet WP:ENT for inclusion on Wikipedia. While I couldn't find any clue in the former AFDs that I still hold deep breath of how it had survived two–three discussions. I am not going to base in any past whatsoever but here is the source analysis and final conclusion. source 1 is a primary source but it verifies the content as used in most of the articles like that per WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. Source 2 is good for sourcing but doesn't support the 'wife marriage'. source 3 is an obvious advert and interview making me suspect the credibility/reliability of source 2. Source 4 is unreliable, and source 5 looks like an advertorial unverifiable publication. Source 6, source 7, and source 8 contributes to a non notable controversy and I call it WP:BLP1E because the said event is not notable for a standalone article. [9] and [10] supports a non notable film and book, hence doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:NAUTHOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a notable person Md Joni Hossain (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Previously I nominated this article for Afd and my view still same. There is no WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article has been improved and more reliable sources are added, such as The Daily Star or Prothom Alo. Popular national reliable newspapers claim that Salman Muqtadir is a popular YouTuber and actor and there are a bunch of sources about him from reliable sites. Although some news are about his marriage or other things but they are published independently about him and declared him as YouTuber, influencer or actor. Therefore GNG has been able to establish. Ontor22 (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Daily star tag link you showed popped paid/sponsored articles [11], [12], [13], and [14]. They doesn't credibly means this article won't met notability later. See WP:LOTSOFSOURCES and know there isn't any amount of sources you add to a non notable person to be notable. On the aspect scene of YouTube, famous people are celebrities bur that doesn't mean try are notable. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
News from The Daily Star are not paid or sponsored articles at all. Other news channels including Daily Star use disclaimers on sponsored articles but these are not. His marriage news appeared in multiple news channels.

See his marriage news from Prothom alo, Dhaka Tribune, The Business Standard.

Older articles about him also show his prominence.

See these article from Prothom Alo 1 2, Bangla Tribune, The Business Standard, Jagonews24

Salman Muktadir is not only YouTuber but also worked in various entertainment fields including television, stage performance which established his notability based on WP:ENT. Ontor22 (talk) 06:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He is notable on YouTube as an influencer & content creator. but doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:ENT for inclusion on Wikipedia.--DelwarHossain (talk) 11:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He is notable person. I agree with Ontor22. Yubrajhn (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DELETE Not notable enough for Wikipedia standards. Jaunpurzada (talk) 00:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP After four consecutive AFDs, the article mostly survives on Wikipedia. Still, there is a stir among editors. Mainly his being a YouTuber, but he has also worked in drama and music which makes him notable under WP:ENT. Mafmes (talk) 03:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 12:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

San Jose Taiko

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While previously deleted for G11, this time the page has been written in a more encyclopedic tone. Unfortunately, there is just not any coverage that I can find. BrigadierG (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References to published academic work demonstrating the significance of this organization to the art of taiko in North America have been added, as well as national recognition from the NEA for the original managing director and artistic director of the organization. 31N2024 (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Coverage is in primary or non-RS. I don't find anything beyond them performing at various venues. This also appears PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has the nominator accessed the book coverage now referenced in the article which boasts of two books having 23 page coverage of this band? Atlantic306 (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ecko Miles

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I do not see enough evidence to establish WP:NMUSICIAN. Some sources are unreliably having a close connection to the subject, some are WP:ROUTINE coverages announcing founding of Daed Empire, most are PRs, announcing collabo or music release, etc. Fails WP:GNG in a nutshell. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep the subject meets some of the criterias of WP:NMUSICIAN for example the song he had with popular Nigerian rapper and musician charted major charts in the country as was cited in the article , also I would say it meets WP:GNG the sources used in the subject article are in line with WP:NGRS too, after thorough investigations I will say this the subject was not as notable as he was before the collaboration he had with Zlatan and odumodu blvck but that collaboration was what increased his notability and brought him further into the limelight.ProWikignome (talk) 21:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets WP:MUSICBIO due to chart position of his song. Hkkingg (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gemma Khalid

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Significance for WP:BIO is not visible.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some references from the corresponding article in Russian. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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