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Special occasion idea: Olympics

Discussion on Olympics

Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I coordinated something like that for the last Olympics and had been planning on offering that service once more. Schwede66 21:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool idea! Lightburst (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also like this idea! I know of a couple topics that could provide Olympics-related hooks; I'll look into them. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 22:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've dug out the item that shows how we went about it last time: Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 180#Olympic hooks. Schwede66 22:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That looks like work @Schwede66:! Hopefully we can identify a few. Bruxton (talk) 01:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was somewhat involved! Schwede66 01:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some related considerations:

  • Moved to the Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
  • Done – added to the table below.
  • Done – added to the table below.

All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Toby Olubi hook is in prep 3. Feel free to pull if it's of any use to you.--Launchballer 06:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I don't know if you saw this, but my Toby Olubi hook is Olympics-related, and could also run near the start of the Olympics.--Launchballer 11:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn’t see that. I’ll have a look. Schwede66 13:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've pulled it out of Q3 and plugged the hole that I've made. Schwede66 23:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this should be a subsection within the existing special occasion section, not a separate section. I have adjusted accordingly. I don't understand why the Solomon Islands hook—not shown above but in the section itself—is listed for the day before the Olympics starts; it looks like one that could run any time during the actual Olympics, which the article on the games lists as July 26 through August 11. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll add it to the table. Things got somewhat crowded last time, hence my thinking of running everything that’s not 2024 Olympics as a warmup beforehand. Schwede66 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, I can see where the confusion arises. As explained above, the Olympic competitions start on 24 July, two days prior to the opening ceremony. Schwede66 04:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, in that case the lede of the article is wrong. It should be made clear there that while the opening ceremony is on 26 July, the competition itself begins on 24 July. No objection to the Solomon Islands hook running on 25 July if the Olympics themselves have already begun by then; I see no reason why it can't run during the Olympics themselves on a date where there isn't anything more appropriate. I don't think it should be a "warmup" hook, however. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've put the line "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" into action and amended the lead of the 2024 Summer Olympics to spell out that some competitions start on 24 July. I'm easy about running "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" during the Olympics if there's room if that's what others prefer; I note we have three four five of those hooks. Schwede66 03:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it's not too crowded this time (yet). I'll move the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks to show during the Olympics. Schwede66 05:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I shall eat my words. It's getting rather crowded; should have started running the warmup hooks earlier including the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics". I don't think that we'll have a chance of limiting the sets to two Olympic hooks even if we shuffle things around; it seems we'll have more than two on average for the duration of the Olympics. Schwede66 00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if we really should have Template:Did you know nominations/Breaking Through (2022 film) run as part of the Olympics run since it deals with the Winter Olympics rather than the Summer Olympics. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do others share that concern? I don't think that Summer versus Winter Olympics is a big stretch. I note that there are four Winter Olympics hooks in the table above. The other thought is that any hook will have to run at some point, so why not have Olympic-adjacent hooks run just before the Summer Olympics? Schwede66 10:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think it was ever in the special occasion holding area. But I have no objection if you’d like to place it there. — Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 01:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I'm missing something, the only Olympic hook in prep 1 is my Toby Olubi hook, for which the supplied QPQ (Claude Hamilton Verity) was also a double nom?--Launchballer 13:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, you are all good, Launchballer. What isn't good is the Zhang Ziyu nomination. I'm not sure why the reviewer isn't signing off on it. Could someone else please check that the remaining issue ("sources vary") has been dealt with to satisfaction? This should go into Prep 1, and I've just made a hole for it (the prep set was already full). Schwede66 21:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.

There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic hooks table

On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.

Article (nom) Requested Suggested date Prep set Notes (all times in CEST) Status
2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 21 July Prep 5 This hook names Femke Bol who is due to compete in Paris. We have a second (double-)hook that names here, hence I suggest we run this as the first warm-up hook to put as much time between the two appearance of Bol as possible. This would lend itself as the picture hook as we've got a good photo. In prep
Breaking Through (2022 film) (nom) none 21 July Prep5 The film deals with real events around the 2002 Winter Olympics, hence it's an ideal warmup hook. In prep
Zali Steggall (nom) none 22 July Prep 6 1998 Olympic skier In prep
Ri Jong-yol (nom) none 22 July Prep6 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start In prep
Yang Jingru (speed skater) (nom) none 23 July Prep 7 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. In prep
René Heyde (nom) none 23 July Prep7 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. In prep
Toby Olubi and Can't Touch This (nom) none 24 July Prep 1 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start (24 is in fact the first day of competitions but we haven't got anything for that day yet). This double-hook has already had its admin checks done (by Cwmhiraeth) In prep
Zhang Ziyu (nom) none 24 July Prep1 Plays basketball for China but isn't part of their Olympic team, hence suggested as a warm-up hook (24 is in fact the first day of competitions but we haven't got anything for that day yet) Under review
Twice a Man (film) (nom) none 25 July Prep 2 ... that Olympia Dukakis's first screen role was in the avant-garde film Twice a Man? That's got to be a brilliant Olympics hook. In prep
Angling at the 1900 Summer Olympics (nom) none 25 July Prep2 One of the Olympic warmup hooks. At SOHA
Camil Doua (nom) none 26 July Prep3 Doua is competing in the men's 100 metre freestyle and the heats will be on 30 July. Problem is that we have two hooks for that date already. As Doua is flagbearer for Mauritania, the opening ceremony date is a perfectly viable alternative. Under review
Fathimath Dheema Ali (nom) none 27 July Prep 4 The women's table tennis singles prelim round starts on 27 July At SOHA
Evann Girault (nom) none 27 July Prep4 Girault is going to compete in men's sabre, and that competition is held on 27 July (from elimination to finals; all on one day) At SOHA
Lilia Cosman (nom) 28 July 28 July Cosman will compete in the qualification round on 28 July. Review not yet started
Aminata Barrow (nom) None 28 July Barrow will compete in women's 100 metre breaststroke, with heats on 28 July At SOHA
Lorrane Oliveira (nom) 28 July 28 July Oliveira will compete in women's artistic team all-around, with qualifications on 28 July. That's the third hook for that day. The nominator says that the team will most likely make it to the finals, to be held on 30 July, but we've got two hooks for that day already, so that's not a good alternative. At SOHA
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics (nom) none 29 July One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
Adam Maraana (nom) 29 July 29 July My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semi-finals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day. Review not yet started
Alyssa Mendoza (nom) none 30 July Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. At SOHA
Shachar Sagiv (nom) none 30 July Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 Under review
Andy Barat (nom) none 30 July Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Under review
Dylan Travis (nom) none 31 July The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team (nom) 28 July 31 July The U.S. team plays in the preliminary round on 28 and 31 July and on 3 August. We already have too many hooks for 28 July, so any of the other two options will work better. At SOHA
Marcedes Walker (nom) None 1 August Walker is going to compete in the women's 3x3 basketball competition and they are playing a round robin round-robin tournament from 30 July to 3 August, playing every day. Hence, there's heaps of flexibility moving this hook around to suit. Review not yet started
Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 1 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
American Samoa at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 2 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
Emily Ausmus (nom) none 2 August Ausmus is competing in the women's water polo tournament in Group B, with preliminary round games held on 27, 29, and 31 July, and a game on 2 August. Any of those dates are suitable. Under review
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics (nom) none 3 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
Filomenaleonisa Iakopo (nom) none 3 August Iakopo is scheduled to compete in the women's 100 metres, with the preliminary round scheduled to be held on 3 August. Review not yet started
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 4 August This is the second hook that names Femke Bol. She is due to compete in 400 metres hurdles (heats on 4 August). At SOHA
Piper Kelly (nom) None 5 August Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. Review not yet started
Aniya Holder (nom) none 5 August Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. Review not yet started
Zheng Haohao (nom) none 6 August Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug. Under review
Jenya Kazbekova (nom) none 6 August Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date. At SOHA
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics (nom) none 7 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics Under review
Ruby Remati (nom) None 7 August The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days. Review not yet started
Emmanuella Atora (nom) none 8 August Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. At SOHA
Manizha Talash (nom) none 9 August Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. At SOHA
Gaku Akazawa (nom) none 10 August Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. Review not yet started
Alasan Ann (nom) none 10 August Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. At SOHA
Kennedy Blades (nom) none 10 August Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. Under review
List of petitions calling for Israel to be banned from sports (nom) none n/a Unsurprisingly, this article mentions the Paris Olympics numerous times. It could run on any day. Article has been moved to draft space
[[]] (nom)

Updating nom talk page on image change?

We've got a bot that updates the nom talk page when a hook is changed after promotion. Would it be possible to make it also notice if the lead image changed? There's currently a bit of contretemps at WP:ERRORS because I failed to ping somebody when I updated an image. If we could automate that, it would be nice :-) RoySmith (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron:, for obvious reasons. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That bot isn't even currently running, and will probably remain offline for the foreseeable future. So, another good idea for the pile- apologies that I'm only one person :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please add to the pile "clone self". Valereee (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aoi Koga special occasion request for August 24

I recently nominated this article for GA status and it's currently under review. I'm planning to nominate it for DYK once it passes. However, if the GAN passes before July 13, that would be just outside the six-week requirement for SOHA. My plan was to request a special occasion hook for August 24 (her birthday). If for example, the GAN finishes before the 13th, would it be okay to ask for an IAR exemption for August 24? Of course, this IAR exemption request would be moot if the review is completed after the 13th, I just wanted to make sure. I'm just asking ahead of time if an IAR exemption can be requested because, if it can't, I'm okay with it running as a regular hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to IAR. We should encourage people to ask for that (rather than encouraging them to slow the roll on the GA review.) Valereee (talk) 11:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Valereee's rationale and support the request. Schwede66 21:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's six weeks from nomination date, not six weeks from qualification date. If the GAN were to finish today, so long as the nomination is not submitted until the 13th (which would be less than seven days after obtaining GA status and thus still within DYK rules), it would qualify for SOHA. No need for an IAR at all in that case. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That loophole should probably be closed, I think.--Launchballer 13:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a loophole at all; it's how it was designed: nomination date was always the key. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, the article has now passed its GAN and I have nominated it for DYK; I will leave it to consensus if the IAR exemption request will be granted or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You easily could have waited 24 hours to nominate so the article automatically qualified but didn't. Why waste people's valuable time by forcing a truly unnecessary IAR request? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess it's moot now given how the nomination has been reviewed and approved, along with how two other editors gave their approval. I guess this means it should be okay to move to SOHA now? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Ziyu

I'd like some others to comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu. Not sure what the best way to handle this is. The issue is this particular athlete in known for being tall, but there are discrepancies about what her true height is, and the nominator put forward a specific height for the hook. Not sure what the best way to handle this is both within the article's prose and in the hook. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why this couldn't be worked out at the nomination... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29It absolutely can be, I was wanting someone else's input. I've never had a case with conflicting reports over a particular hook fact before. Not sure what we should allow in a case like this. I want to avoid ending up at WP:ERRORS. I wouldn't be comfortable giving it a tick without getting more than one opinion at the nom. That's why I asked for people to comment. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the reviewer is still awaiting comment from other DYK regulators on the nom page. I suggest that the issue is resolved and all it needs is others to confirm that. Schwede66 17:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need a mentor for building preps.

hi. I need a mentor for building preps. Jumpy542 (talk) 23:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've got a couple of experienced prep builders at your talk recommending you get a little more experience. I think that's good advice. Here are some things you can do to get that experience:
  1. Review hooks, and then pay attention to what happens to those hooks as they're promoted, moved to queue, and appear on the main page.
  2. Read this talk page regularly. Subscribe to any new threads, especially any that deal with questions about hooks.
  3. Read the DYK portion of WP:ERRORS daily and see what kinds of things are questioned there.
Valereee (talk) 14:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, ping @Jumpy542. Valereee (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee Jumpy52 just promoted another nomination without closing the nomination. I undid their work. Not sure how to get them to stop promoting. SL93 (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jumpy542, please stop promoting, and please respond to this so we'll know you've seen it. Valereee (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list is badly out of date, so I've created a new list of 36 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through June 27. We have a total of 240 nominations, of which 110 have been approved, a gap of 130 nominations that has decreased by 39 over the past 13 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

More than one month old

Other nominations

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maintenance tag

One of our main page articles has a maintenance tag right now, 2022 Brink's theft Bruxton (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lightburst, AirshipJungleman29, Launchballer, and Daniel Case: Bruxton (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have addressed the issues behind the two inline tags and asked the editor to come to the talk page and explain their reasoning for the tag. Daniel Case (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, I am going to be signing off the project, but glad you fixed it. It was great working with you all. Lightburst (talk) 04:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies Daniel Case Someone reverted me after I removed the tone tag. I left a message on their talk page telling them they needed to go to errors with it, but they did not. @DYK admins: are likely needed to sort this. Lightburst (talk) 05:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I've weighed in in that discussion too. In short, I do not think the addition of a tag by itself requires pulling an article already in a DYK set; otherwise there's a huge opportunity for bad-faith disruptive types. Daniel Case (talk) 05:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Especially one that is apparently unexplained. @BalinKingOfMoria, you've edited since being asked about this tag...maybe give us a clue? Valereee (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One reason for the tone tag could be the opening paragraph. @AirshipJungleman29 commented at the nomination "I suggest that the first lead paragraph be rewritten; at the moment it reads like a story. See MOS:OPEN for recommendations." TSventon (talk) 13:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't too impressed that this article was rushed through in the first place, to be honest, bypassing several of the usual processes - I guess because it was delayed in nomination and wanted to be run today? I saw the call to promote it last night but thought maybe it had a few issues. e.g. The lead seems to have several uncited statements that aren't clearly backed up by anythingin the body, such as "several experts have stated that it is unlikely that any of the stolen jewelry will be recovered" and "Police and the FBI continue to investigate but no suspects have been named".  — Amakuru (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree about the rushing. I haven't been able to fully follow the history yet, but it looks like it got promoted to prep-3, then a couple of hours later swapped into the next-up queue. The whole idea of the prep and queue mechanism is to give people a chance to see what's coming up and provide additional reviews. RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israel–Palestine hook

I took a stab at promoting my first prep to queue today in light of the backlog. In doing so, I swapped out the hook for Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal with one from another prep area:

My first thought is that the article is subject to substantial editing as the situation evolves, especially if the original proposal ultimately falls through. Indeed, the article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July: [1]. Additionally, I feel that the hook is not very catchy, merely stating that the proposal has three phases (at face value, splitting a major project or plan into phases is nothing out of the ordinary). It's in prep area 7 now (from which I "borrowed" a replacement hook), but I'm unsure whether these concerns are fixable or whether the hook has to be pulled entirely. Especially since this is my first time doing this, any feedback would be appreciated. Complex/Rational 20:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping out. That's absolutely fine pulling a hook out of the set if you've got concerns, and absolutely the right thing to bring this here for further discussion, ComplexRational. As for feedback:
  • It's good to provide a link to the queue number, but that's not relevant here as the hook is no longer in the queue. As the hook is now in prep 7, say so and provide a link.
  • Looking at the edit history, I see that you made the change while the hook was still in prep. Just so you know, almost all admins promote first and then do the checks, just so that you avoid edit conflicts.
  • A link to the hook's nom page should always be provided in a discussion as that makes it easier for others to chip in.
You've made a fabulous start. All of the above is just minor fine-tuning. Schwede66 22:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Thanks for your feedback. I'll keep these pointers in mind for next time. In addition, I marked the hook in prep area 7 as under discussion with a link to this thread. Complex/Rational 03:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging nominator Vice regent and reviewer Launchballer. SL93 (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ComplexRational why is it relevant that "article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July"? @User:Launchballer reviewed it on 09:20, 5 July 2024 and presumably did not find any issues with it. As for catchiness, I guess that's subjective. Do you suggest re-opening the discussion on that basis? VR (Please ping on reply) 23:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was moved backwards to give more time to sort this out. It's now in the prep set to be promoted to queue next. I'll pull it so that the prep can be promoted and reopen the nomination, where further discussion should be had. Schwede66 01:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

Anything that's related to Israel is potentially controversial. We have List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports (nom) up for review. I'd like to run this as part of the Olympics set (currently scheduled for 26 July). Could I interest someone to review the nomination, please? Schwede66 00:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am away and unable to review, but I would definitey advise against running it on the day of the opening ceremony. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will give this a review. Sort of agree with AirshipJungleman29 in that it will raise eyebrows. Lightburst (talk) 15:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I started a review Schwede66 and gave the nominator some direction. I think it may be some work to copy edit the article and add a view, but we will see. Lightburst (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, team. If you've got thoughts on a more suitable date, please share those. Anytime during the Olympics? Before the Olympics start? Mind you, if there's more work to do, the latter may not work logistically anyway. Schwede66 01:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would simply not running during the Olympics not be an option? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anything is an option. Whatever the community decides is what will happen. Schwede66 02:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @AirshipJungleman29: maybe you or another editor can take over the review? I have to take a break from editing for a bit. I am getting batty. I just checked and the editor has not started doing the two things I suggested. Have a great weekend! Lightburst (talk) 07:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are fundamental issues with this article.
1) One can't equate whats happened with Russia with Israel. Completely apples and oranges. Russia invaded another country. Israel was invaded. Hamas were the ones who declared war.
2) The line those oppose to Israel's ban argue that politics should not interfere in sports is a complete non sequitur.
3) And let's be honest - this has nothing to do with what is happening now as there were always call to ban Israel/not compete against Israel.
This page should just be merged with Boycotts of Israel in sports. MaskedSinger (talk) 18:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And to run this as DYK on the day of the Opening Ceremony...When people are concerned about another Munich massacre happening, maybe we should be a bit more circumspect. MaskedSinger (talk) 18:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 3

WUEC

@JuniperChill, Sammi Brie, and BeanieFan11: May I suggest shortening this to that the radio station at the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire would close in the middle of the day? Leave a little mystery. Get people wondering "Why did they do that?" so they'll click through to learn why. RoySmith (talk) 01:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • No objection from me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, even better would be That the radio station at the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire would go off the air in the middle of the day. That's more accurate to the wording in the article. "Closing" for a radio station could mean they close the doors and stop conducting business, but they're still broadcasting. Most listeners would never know. Off the air is more significant, and as a bonus, more correct. RoySmith (talk) 01:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. The Roy version is also passable too. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's also fine by me. JuniperChill (talk) 08:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since I'm the promoter, I decided to change it myself. JuniperChill (talk) 08:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Too negative of a hook

I feel like Template:Did you know nominations/Timeline of Partygate has too negative of a hook for a living person. Pinging nominator A Thousand Doors and reviewer Sammi Brie. SL93 (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like the historical value—amply noted in sourcing, thus this big old list—outweighs the negativity question. This was so widely reported that it's not like a typical BLP where the figure may not be well known. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to reply on the nom page (and suggest that everybody else do the same) RoySmith (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously I'm inclined to agree with User:Sammi Brie, but I'm also willing to go with the community on this. I just felt that this was the most interesting and "hook"-y fact from the article. But if the community feels that it's too negative, then I'll come up with something else. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a problem with the hook and I don't view it as "too negative". This was widely reported and is part of the historical record. I honestly think people are misunderstanding WP:DYKBLP. Viriditas (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 2

If it's such an obviously "stupid" objection, why mention it at all? There are some people who see the guidelines/requirements as an agreed upon (i.e. consensus) way to present things in the best way possible. It's understandable that those of you working hard to put DYK out every day sometimes see ERRORS reports as frivolous or pedantic but please remember that we are using the standards given to us to measure these hooks, not our own particular preferences. Primergrey (talk) 02:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primergrey: Well, perhaps we disagree on whether the guideline implies what some people at ERRORS think it implies. People can always look at the word "newly" in the archives and understand that it meant "newly" at the time it was run, so the fact does not change. If there's not any further objection to the wording change here, I'm making it and stamping this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no "further" objection to the wording, because there was no original objection. I don't give a hot shit about it. But if I did disagree, I could look forward to you telling me, at ERRORS, that the objection is "stupid". And if I wasn't lucky enough to get the message directly from you, you'd have deputized any one here to go ahead and let me (or whoever) know it. What a collegial attitude. Primergrey (talk) 20:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primergrey: I wasn't referring to the "newly", I was referring to my suggestion to change "can only" to "has only". And yeah, I have opinion on a specific thing that comes up from time to time at ERRORS. that doesn't mean I don't think you're a good and diligent editor :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Forget it. Primergrey (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As for the reliability of the source: AMINEF is a foundation established by the US Embassy in Indonesia to administer the Fulbright Scholarship program in Indonesia. It is a primary source, in that it is published by the foundation itself, but it does meet the RS guidelines.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great work, all! Hopefully we can get all of these in ship-shape before showtime :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Salz (American football)

I just approved this nomination, choosing a hook fact that seemed rock solid according to the sourcing, rather than the subject's main claim to fame of being the first (or only?) Orthodox Jewish college football player. However, given that his main claim to fame is his Orthodox Jewish beliefs, I was wondering if either of these options, which have qualifiers, could be acceptable:

  • ... that in 2023, the Atlanta Jewish Times suggested that Sam Salz is the only Orthodox Jewish player in NCAA Division I college football?
  • ... that The Times of Israel suggests that Sam Salz may be college football's first known Orthodox Jewish player? (note: this fact is currently not in the article, but is mentioned in one of the sources)

Given the whole brouhaha about "first" hooks recently, and the possibility of either claim being wrong, I understand if this isn't the fact that ultimately runs. I just wanted to bring both options here for a wider hearing to see if either could meet the higher scrutiny we now have for "first" hooks, or if it's for the best to go with alternatives. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since the nom is still open, I'll respond there, so we keep the discussion in one place. RoySmith (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Suggests" and "known" and "may be" are really vague though, aren't they? You would have thought that given the ridiculous amount of statistical trivia about the game, there would be a definitive source. Black Kite (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite can we keep this conversation in one place? RoySmith (talk) 19:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Orca Shipwreck

This is in okay shape, but the nominator was indef blocked for copyvio. Earwig turned up fine to existing sources, but there is a Hebrew-language source I can't check. I would like a second set of eyes on this one. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 7

@AirshipJungleman29, A Thousand Doors, and Sammi Brie: I raised this issue on the nom page, but now that it's been promoted, it needs wider attention. The problem is not just the "first" aspect, but the vagueness of "broken the law". There's lots of laws. What does it mean to "break the law"? If you drop a candy wrapper on the street, you've almost certainly broken some law about littering. This is just begging to be dragged to WP:ERRORS. RoySmith (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith, on the nomination page you missed the word "serving", now you have missed the word "found". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 6

Fu Wuji is tagged for the lead being too short. Pinging nominator Kzyx and reviewer TheNuggeteer. SL93 (talk) 02:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93 Tried to fix the lead problem, can you check it out? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 02:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks fine to me. I removed the tag that another editor placed. SL93 (talk) 03:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 1

Georg Kareski needs to be unorphaned and have a lead added. Pinging Buidhe. SL93 (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I heard from Buidhe that leads aren’t required. SL93 (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: I passed on promoting this one because it is an orphan, and it looks like a stub. I feel like WP:DYKCOMPLETE is a relevant guide here. Bruxton (talk) 03:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, orphan tags are specifically exempted from WP:DYKCOMPLETE. This definitely deserves {{no lead}} though.--Launchballer 08:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Launchballer, can you show me where in MOS it says that articles are required to have a lead? In MOS:LAYOUT it seems to suggest the opposite, since it states that the article elements are optional.
There are millions of Wikipedia articles that do not have leads, should they all be tagged? (t · c) buidhe 14:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stubs, permastubs, and stub-like articles are routinely featured at DYK, if they are over the 1,500 character limit. Lead sections at permastubs like Georg Kareski have no purpose because they either just duplicate what is said one or two paragraphs later, or encourage the use of MOS:OVERSECTION. {{no lead}} needs to be used with consideration; here, it is useless. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MOS (more specifically, MOS:SO) says you should have a lead section, but DYK does not require compliance with the MOS. RoySmith (talk) 23:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not required, but in practice, an article can be delayed if it's clearly not MOS compliant or is full of writing issues like requiring copyediting. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hello, not sure where to ask this, so this is a bit of a two-parter because of that. Where can I ask questions pertaining to DYK, would this be the correct venue to do so? Secondly, I had a nomination that was never posted due to me being unable to complete the QPQ, if I was able to get it DYK eligible again, would I be able to renominate or does the 5 year renomination deadline apply? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Answer to 1: yes
Answer to 2: if it was never on the main page, there is no 5-year standdown period. Schwede66 03:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Splendid! Thank you for letting me know Schwede66! Ornithoptera (talk) 06:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wording issue in P5

The hook for 1969 Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick leadership election currently reads:

... that the 1969 leadership election for the Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick was blacklisted by the American Federation of Musicians because one of the candidates was indebted to them?

This should be reworded to make clear what the article itself says: "... Van Horne was described as being a 'free spender' who substantially indebted the party during his 1967 provincial campaign; the upcoming convention was blacklisted by the American Federation of Musicians from allowing for work to be serviced by its members, claiming that 'the party hasn't paid its bill for Don Messer and His Islanders, who played for Van Horne affairs in the 1967 campaign.' So while Van Horne was responsible for the debt being incurred, it was the party itself that actually owed the money, not Van Horne. Daniel Case (talk) 02:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, again to be clear, it was DM and His Islanders who the party owed, not the union. Daniel Case (talk) 02:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @B3251: (nominator}} and @Kimikel: (reviewer) Daniel Case (talk) 02:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case I recommend rewording it to "... because one of the candidates indebted the party to them?" or simply "... because the party was indebted to them?" (missing further clarification that this is DM and His Islanders, but it's a start). B3251(talk) 02:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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