Talk:New York City

Template:Talkbottom  It has been decided that New York City should remain at that name and not at New York, New York. For the discussion that led to this decision see Archive 2 and the additional comments in a section of Archive 5.

demographics

how many people are under the age of 18??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.79.143 (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

What about religious denominations? This article could definitely use a demographics section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.150.103 (talk) 16:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't Demographics be #6, like most of the other city pages? RegaL the Proofreader (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

freedom of liverpool

possibly under sister cities? new york has been granted the Freedom of the City of Liverpool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.172.243 (talk) 11:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC) you suck dick!!!!!!!!!!!

Rivalry cities

There probably should be information about how New York City has rivalries with other American cities, such as Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Boston. Although New York City may be #1 in many respects, New York City does have rivalries with other American cities. One example is that other cities can rival with New York City by having a more successful NFL, NBA, or MLB sports team.
Native94080 (talk) 08:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Native94080

New York, New York IS Manhattan, NOT New York City!

New York, New York specifically identifies the Borough of Manhattan. "New York City" refers to all five boroughs of the City of New York. Please stop arbitrarily reverting my LEGITIMATE edits! This means you, JamesMLane! 24.168.116.169 (talk) 15:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

--I'm afraid you're mistaking the postal service's usage for the term with what it actually means. NYC is officially the "City of New York," therefore "New York, New York" refers to the entire municipality. --Jleon (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, then... Using your logic, I should be referring to the place where I live as "New York, New York" and not "Staten Island, New York"! Sorry, but your assertion that "New York, New York" refers to the entire City of New York, and not just Manhattan, is just plain DUMB! 24.168.116.169 (talk) 13:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, as was noted in the prior discussion about these issues, the general Wikipedia naming convention for the U.S. is that City-name, State-name is where the article is. Someone familiar with that convention would enter "New York, New York" to find the article about the entire city, so that title should redirect to New York City. A reader who wants the Manhattan article would probably enter Manhattan. JamesMLane t c 20:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm surprised more editors haven't chimed in just to reinforce the silliness of the argument. Using your logic, I might ask you if the place you should live should be referred to as "Staten Island, New York" or "New York State". You actually live in Staten Island, New York, New York, and New York State all at the same time. Staten Island is your borough, New York is your city, and New York is also your state (which is why people often call usually the city "New York, New York" or "New York City"...either way it's the same thing). I think the argument you're making, or should be making, is that people (especially the postal service) do often mean Manhattan when they say "New York, New York". That doesn't make Jleon's assertion dumb, it just means that people use the phrase in different contexts. Referring to the city, "New York, New York" means "New York City"; referring to the postal district, "New York, New York" means "Manhattan." It depends on the context. As far as I hear it in general usage, I generally don't hear people say "New York, New York" unless it's in song...it which case you'd have to ask Frank Sinatra what he was singing about. --In Defense of the Artist (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Common Picture

An impressive picture.

Can someone find a place where to add this picture? I have nothing against the current image in the infobox but I think that in this case finding a section or an another article about New York City where to put this picture will be a sign to show that we care of the vote of editors on common (2nd picture of the year 2007). And it's stupid to let such a beautiful picture out of the articles about New York ;). Thank you Mrpouetpouet (talk) 14:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Some kind of cityscape.

PS. I really prefer it to the current infobox image too because it gives a more impressive picture of New York. And because there is already a cityscape in the article. Look at Paris. They added an impressive picture in the infobox not some kind of cityscape. But that's my POV ^_^.

A few days ago I came here looking for what kind of city picture should be in the infobox, I prefer the picture that was there before, the darker one, not the one from the top of the rock. Both are good, but the darker one is amazing. It really suits NYC IMO. The current cityscape one is just run of the mill, something you might find on a postcard, while the other one is something you would find in an art gallery. NYC should be so lucky to have such a great picture.Anawrahta (talk) 05:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The dark picture is an amazing picture, but loses almost all of its impact when scaled down. Carlo (talk) 13:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

-Just my opinion, the current pic is an awful, awful shot for the main pic of the NYC article. Its an extremely limited view of Manhattan and may look great from an ART perspective, but looks out of place for an encyclopedia article! It barely even depicts NYC, as the cities most noteable buildings, Empire State Building and Chrysler Building, are completely absent from the shot.

The "top of the rock cropped" night pic is a great pic, but it already appears in a full panoramic version in the article.. I replaced it with the day image of the top of the rock shot, which has a wider viewing angle since it is not a CROPPED pic. It stood here for quite a while without any objections.

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A far more accurate depiction of NYC. Day shot, tons of notable buildings are present, and the clarity and overall scope of the cityscape are much more accurate than the other shot.. Dogma5 (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Still.. i think there HAS to be a better picture out there, so if anyone has any more pics available that are outside wiki commons, please share! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogma5 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

On second thought.. would anyone object to the Cropped Top of the Rock shot, but to avoid redundancy with the panorama, replace the FULL top of rock shot it with this instead? This is probably the most oustanding depiction of the city anyway!

Dogma5 (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with the current pic. but I agre that there has to be a better picture out there ;) Let's just find it. Mrpouetpouet (talk) 21:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The HRD image (top right above) should not be used in this article, IMO, as the tonemapping is completely unrealistic which detracts from the encyclopedic value of the image. Kaldari (talk) 23:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Names in other languages

I know that there are a lot of Italian- and Spanish-speaking people in New York, but does the top of the article really need to include how to say new in Spanish and Italian? Reywas92^Talk 21:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Completely agreed. --Golbez (talk) 22:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedian NYC Meetup

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday March 16th, Columbia University area Last: 1/13/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.--Pharos (talk) 23:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

population

I added up the population of all the boroughs (Staten Island, Manhattan, Brooklyn, The Bronx, and Queens) and I do NOT get a population over eight million. This is the population I came up with,7374577. While undoubtedbly the most populous city in The US, it does not seem the population is accurate, unless the populations for the boroughs are wrong.

What year is the population of the boroughs for? The last census was 2000, but there are official census estimates for the whole city as of 2006, which might explain the discrepancy. --Golbez (talk) 19:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I added up all the populations of the inbox in each boroughs main article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.195.17 (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Counties?

How is it that one city can cross several county lines? Are there any other cities in the US that do the same? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.35.214 (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Atlanta, Georgia occupies part of Fulton County AND part of DeKalb County. Kansas City straddles two states -- Kansas and Missouri. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.8.10 (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO are technically and administratively seperate cities, even though they have the same name and are on opposite of a river from each other.

You're right about Atlanta, but New York is certainly the only city to be co-terminous with (entirely cover) more than one county. 193.195.75.20 (talk) 16:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Education

Education Main article: Education in New York City

Columbia University's Low Memorial Library.The city's public school system, managed by the New York City Department of Education, is the largest in the United States. About 1.1 million students are taught in more than 1,200 separate primary and secondary schools.[110] There are approximately 900 additional privately run secular and religious schools in the city, including some of the most prestigious private schools in the United States.[111]

Though it is not often thought of as a college town, there are about 594,000 university students in New York City, the highest number of any city in the United States.[112] In 2005, three out of five Manhattan residents were college graduates and one out of four had advanced degrees, forming one of the highest concentrations of highly educated people in any American city.[113] Public postsecondary education is provided by the City University of New York, the nation's third-largest public university system, and the Fashion Institute of Technology, part of the State University of New York. New York City is also home to such notable private universities as Barnard College, Columbia University, Cooper Union, Fordham University, New York University, ---Pace University, St. John's University,--- The New School, and Yeshiva University. The city has dozens of other smaller private colleges and universities, including many religious and special-purpose institutions, such as The Juilliard School and The School of Visual Arts.

Pace University and St. John's University are private universities in New York City (Pace is in Manhattan borough and St. John's is in Queens borough), please include under education for this section.

Ssunvi (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)Saquib

The list isn't supposed to be a comprehensive list of private universities - it's just a few of the most notable ones. Pace doesn't seem to quite come up to the same standard as the others listed. Given this is a summary and there is a main article I think the list could do with trimming more than expanding. -- SiobhanHansa 19:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Founded in 1906, Pace University celebrated its centennial year in 2006 and is now 102 years old. Pace is a private metropolitan university which enrolls nearly 13,500 students in bachelors, masters, and doctoral programs. Also, Pace's Lubin School of Business is professionally accredited for both business and accounting by AACSB International, an elite distinction shared by fewer than 3% of business schools in the world.

Please visit the website: www.pace.edu for more information about the university.

St. John's University is a private university founded in 1870; see www.stjohns.edy for more information about the university.

For a list of accreditation received by the university visit: http://www.pace.edu/page.cfm?doc_id=151

Based on the fact that is provided above I think it is certainly at par with the rest of the universities listed in the summary if not above most of them.

Please go through it and comment if you need further clarification.

Ssunvi (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Saquib

You mention age and size and that it's accredited. None of these things are by themselves particularly notable given the competition, it doesn't seem to be the oldest or the largest and it's certainly not the only accredited school. Is it regularly listed as one of the best schools in the country? Is there some other way in which it's absence from the list would make most people's eyes go wide? Really if it's going to be included we should be thinking about how it beats the others on the list (which I've already said needs trimming anyway) otherwise we're just going to end up with a ridiculously long listing. Everyone's favorite school can't go on this page. -- SiobhanHansa 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that if the other schools mentioned in the list is notable then in regards to ranking and accredition, which are the key aspect on how notable the university is, pace university should definitely be in the list. It is regularly listed as one of the best schools in the country if you could take the time and see the rankings of us schools, its consistently above four of the universities listed there. And considering the ranking it has compared to the other universities mentioned in that list, it certainly made some peoples eyes go wide and that's why I am writing here. So if you think it needs trimming it should not mention atleast four of the names listed there or it can include two more words to it, in order to give the readers a complete and accurate picture. And it has nothing to do with it being my favorite univerisity, I am just pointing out the facts.

198.105.45.121 (talk) 20:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Saquib

I think that's an argument that makes a lot of sense - why don't you present that evidence. -- SiobhanHansa 22:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI === http://www.bachelor-ba-master-mba-degree-program.com/mba_rankings.html please visit the website or you can look for the ranking of other schools on that list if pace university is not ranked consistently above atleast three of the names mentioned there then I am sorry for wasting your time, and if it is then please make the necessary adjustments. Thank you

76.15.139.161 (talk) 21:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Saquib

I dont see any changes being made... anyways if you dont know about AACSB please look it up and try and get to know what it is. And go to the websites of the lesser knowned university over there you will see what i mean. Do reply if you have something to say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.139.161 (talk) 16:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay Pace is not so recognized, but St. John's University is not only recognized, but has the highest standards of excellence. St. John's is one of America's leading Catholic universities, recognized for its superb academic programs, diverse student life, BIG EAST excitement and New York vitality. With over 152,500 living alumni, 82 percent of whom reside in the New York region, St. John’s University has wired New York City with Alumni, some the most prominent and expert in their fields. Founded in 1870 by the Vincentian Community, St. John's is known for giving students the knowledge, skills and confidence to serve others while achieving personal and professional success. St. John's University comprises St. John's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, The School of Education, The Peter J. Tobin College, School of Law, College of Pharmacy and Allied Health Professions, College of Professional Studies, St. John's Distance Learning. Graduates become leaders in their professions, their communities and the world.~~ Joseph R. Ercole —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.130.6.130 (talk) 19:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

"England" vs. "United Kingdom"

Schcambo: Firstly, the United Kingdom only gets one sister city, not four; listing "England" implies that "Scotland", "Northern Ireland" and "Wales" are missing out on sister cities, whereas in fact it's just that the United Kingdom gets a single sister city. Secondly, the passage you quote is in specific regard to nationalities of sportsmen and women, where in some cases they will compete internationally on behalf of the subnation rather than the sovereign state. The guidelines for non-nationality issues make no such exception. I'd be happy to leave England there if you could provide a good reason to have it there, rather than just "because I can" (which is what reasons seem to have amounted to so far). Cheers, Stannered (talk) 23:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I really don't think placing England on the list implies Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland also have ties with NY. WP:FLAGS specifically allows the use of recognisable sub-national flags, especially those of the UK: "many editors, however, feel that the UK's subnations in particular are an exception". Yes, in many cases this is meant for sporting contexts. However, the whole sister cities/town twinning thing is specifically meant to increase cultural ties between cities, and London, culturally, is distinctly English, and marketed as such, not as part of some homogenised UK culture. Hence, the English flag. --Schcambo (talk) 12:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, that quote says "some editors feel", and is hardly in itself a guideline. Secondly, as I mentioned, it's not just specific to sports, but to nationality, rather than the country in which a place is. Whilst it may not imply that Wales, Scotland and NI have sister cities, it may imply that they are missing them. Last time I visited London as a tourist, virtually all the tourist souvenir merchangise was branded with Union flags, not with English flags. Google Image Search (for london pencil or london t-shirt corroborates, with far more Union flags seen than English flags). Stannered (talk) 12:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it says "many editors feel" :). Try just searching visitlondon.com; you'll find some 15,200 results for "England", but only 1,500 results for "United Kingdom". --Schcambo (talk) 12:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Neither phrase makes it a policy, or even a guideline, just a widespread opinion. And given that we're comparing sizes of our penises Google hit number, why don't you try UK, which returns 21,000 results. Stannered (talk)

Pronunciation

Why is New York rendered in IPA with the "small j" after the N? Isn't that characteristic of British English, and neither represents the general American nor New York New Jersey pronunciations? (Ejoty (talk) 13:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)) Ejoty 03-22-2008

Joke

The article is a joke, it looks like its been written by the tourism promotors! The first picture is obviously one which has been taken to a studio and doctored with, making the lights brighter, making the sky look mystyical, this article is biased, as if it's been written by David Letterman! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.227.114 (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

i agree. the pic was replaced to a lower manhattan skyline, but I reverted it back to the top of the rock cropped night shot that many seemed to agree on for quite a while, since its actually what people think of when they think NYC. Dense amount of skyscrapers and the citys most notable buildings, not the incomplete lower manhattan skyline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogma5 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Skyscrapers

"New York City has about 4493 skyscrapers, more than any other city in the world." Under Cityscape > Architecture.

Hong Kong has more, it is cited in the Hong Kong article.

--Onejsin (talk) 05:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

--It all has to do with how you define "skyscraper." My understanding is that Hong Kong has more mid-rise towers, so if you set the minimum limit low then Hong Kong would come out on top. If you set it higher (like 800 feet), NY would have more. On the other hand, if you set the bar very low (like 100 feet) I think Sao Paolo would probably be at the top. Needless to say, this has caused lots of confusion, but it would probably just be safe enough to say that each city has "among" the largest collections of skyscrapers in the world. --Jleon (talk) 02:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

From the introduction: "literally countless?" We need to remember the meaning of the word "literally." 76.172.150.17 (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

"American cultural movements"

I'm uncomfortable with the description of 'punk' as an American cultural movement in the introduction to this article.

While it's certainly a cultural movement that has strong roots in NYC, I think was a sufficient degree of cross-pollination with other locales that it can't be described as exclusively 'American'. May I please amend the wording of the intro, or could someone else do it? Thanks

Possible error

The Economy section of this article refers to NYC as one of three financial "command centers" in the world, along with London and Hong Kong. The reference cited implies the third city should be Tokyo, not Hong Kong. Further, the Tokyo article identifies it as one of three "command centres" along with London and New York (no reference is cited there). In short, I think Hong Kong should probably be changed to New York, but I've not checked the cited source to be sure. Elbee23 (talk) 20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Population Does the population numbers take into account illegal immigrants.