User talk:Yomangan

Welcome back

Welcome, Yomangan. It is great to see that you are back. Will you be editing as actively as you were in mid-07? Oh, and by the way, thanks for your input at the Bonaparte FAC. I intend to look at your comments soon, following my self-promise: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAnonymous_Dissident&diff=178203179&oldid=176954740. Thanks, and good luck. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 01:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You know, I think you may be right about Bonaparte vs. Archers. I can't find any discussion, and you can't. Maybe it's just too impossible to find. I think I'm going to go ahead with the Archer's. Any help that you find yourself able to give would be simply incredible, but feel in no way obligated or requested to. I think the description of the suitors you showed me will prove very beneficial, by the way. Thanks again, for offering your invaluable service, and for coming back. Editors like you are the backbone of Wikipedia. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 02:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

blind?

I was going to make some witty comment about being blind (no eyes - get it?)...but couldn't come up with a suitable punchline so there you go. Welcome back anyway. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

To much politics, to much fighting, to much policy, to little article writing, I agree, have almost stopped editing my self. Keep up the good work, you are needed! --Stefan ^talk 03:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, welcome back! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back, mate! I hope we will see more great work from you in the future! Nishkid64 (talk) 02:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Sigh of relief and a hearty welcome back. How'd I do? Can I unwatch those articles now? I kinda have my hands full :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been watching over some of my favorites and the 1FAPQ gang took on the rest;[1] the mutt survived pneumonia (this time, anyway) with round-the-clock trips to the steam shower for 3 weeks. We'll take the extra time :-) I was froggified from so much time in the steam shower. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Right. Well, I made sure everyone watched that one since it was, you know, soooooo problematic :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm really glad to see you've come back. It's great to see you again. Raul654 (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Also From Dogriggr! Mastr sed Give Welcome Snaussage to Yomangan! DOGRIGGR (deflea) 23:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks all (and especially for the Snaussage. Dogriggr, didn't you used to be a yellow dog, or is that a portrait of me?) Yomangani^talk 23:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

'Welcome. (You welcome, did Mean!)

...Change Coats In Wintr!

Dogriggr Write Haiku 'Cuz

Hounds Love Self-Ruffrance!

By DOGRIGGR (deflea) 23:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, my, this is truly a good day; I may have to crack my Christmas champagne early. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Woohoooooooooooo!! I'm smiling. qp10qp (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thought I commented on this thread...but, a belated welcome back! miranda 07:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC) An-even-more-belated-than-the-rest-welcome-back. I was disappointed when I heard you'd gone; your articles always had something special about them :) Trebor (talk) 23:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Yes please can you do this one Image:Queluz Palace Robillon Pavilion.JPG Giano (talk) 16:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Satan claus

Hi, could you restore this to my user space? Thanks, Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Splash! Splash! Plushies for you-ma-ma!

Yo-yo-ma! Have fishapod plushies, yo-ma! bishapod splash! 19:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC).

Very pretty, little poddy. Yomangani^talk 19:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 23 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Bench (Hogarth), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Delivered on behalf of Anonymous Dissident. — Dihydrogen Monoxide _(Review) 08:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 23 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Bookworm, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

I welcome you back too! I hope you find this situation less stressful. --Royalbroil 13:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Successful FAC

Thank you for providing comments on how to to improve the article at the successful FA nomination of Vasa (ship). Happy holidays and all that!

Peter ^Isotalo 08:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Buon Natale e buon anno! Giano (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

A difference of opinion over names of articles you created

I have a difference of opinion with User:Circeus over how "List of mammals in Foo"-type articles should be named. I recently created List of mammals in Connecticut and named it the way I saw most of these lists named. He thinks all the names should be changed to "of Foo". Since you created a number of these articles, perhaps you have an opinion. Some other organism-in-a-place lists use "of" but most geography-specific lists of any type use "in". No, it's obviously not terribly important, but your two cents would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)#List naming dispute: "in" vs. "of". Noroton (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

happy Mango season

'TIS MANGO SEASON....
Have a shlice of mango cheek...well, I am up to my armpits in the things. Yuletide means lots and lots of mangos, as well as turkey and ham and ice-cream and pressies. Were on special so I bought 3 crates for AU$20 and now I have both crispers in the refrigerator full and even with everyone eating two of the ##$@& things every mealtime... I am a bit mangoed out so I thought I'd spread the goodwill around....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear Yomangan, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2008 brings further success, health and happiness! ...and more fine culture from yourself... ~ Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

File:010105 fireworks2.jpg

Queluz National Palace

This article, to which you contributed, will be featured on the Main Page on January 5, 2008.[2] Risker (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Article done

'Tis done. Care to take a look? -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 11:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You have done exceptional work on this. With a bit more, this might be a good article, or further if we can find more sources... -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Western Chalukya architecture

How do the pictures look to you at the above page? - it is having a troubled FAC (nothing to do with me) but experience tells me they may be a problem, although they appear fine on my screen. It's a nice page which just needs a little shove and polish. Giano (talk) 09:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks OK; the last two images appear beneath the end of the text for me, but being the same size on either side it doesn't look bad. I'll try and have a read of it later in the week. Yomangani^talk 09:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Yeah. There are no footnotes! References don't count! Sheesh. Either the people who go around saying (nofootnote) are deluded into thinking that footnotes are required or can't understand what "References" mean. I'm sure they've been abetted by people who put "External links" into "References" and base their writing on either nothing at all or plagiarism. There are, though, geometrically increasing numbers of people who believe that putting tags everywhere is getting in "contributions." Geogre (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of tagging in any shape or form. The articles have talk pages and the authors have talk pages; we don't need to deface an article to draw attention to a "fault". In this case the argument was on even more shaky ground. With one reference what would be the point of any type of inline citation? I see it is now on DYK despite the new inline-citation requirement created there. Still, don't rest on your laurels, you have your work cut out explaining A Tale of a Tub at FAR. Yomangani^talk 15:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You big tease.....

Now I was going to do one of these Billy Joel articles myself as I really like the award that Debivort made, and liked the idea of doing Go after your suggestion, but now some other bastard inspired editor looks like they're polishing ut up for a go at FAC, and doing a pretty good job too....now I have to think of another.....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, you can always get an article ready and then change one of the links to point to it. Yomangani^talk 10:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Erg, the articles I usually polish up it would be a verrrrrry long bowstring....ah, nevermind, I'll think of somethin'.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Try this for some shortcuts (everybody else was doing one). Yomangani^talk 10:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

HarHar..I guess I'm guilty as charged. Still,I reckon lion made up for several shorter ones and it is dwarfed by the one I've contributed most to (vampire), which someone else has nominated by gentleman's (or is it gentlemen's) agreement..cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

But serously, the best thing I feel I've done is spur on or stimulate a nexus of activity at WP:DINO and WP:BIRD which has resulted in shitloads of recognized content. Pity it didn't happen at WP:FUNGI but there you go. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope people don't think I had somebody in mind. I was tilting at the idea that you can assess the worth of an editor by counting how many FAs they "have" or how far up the chart they are at WP:WBFAN. Yomangani^talk 10:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nah, just musing really. I am amused at how it all comse together, like some huge brownian motion of words really....or monkeys typing shakespeare...or why people choose the FAs they do. I am a trivia buff and people observer as much as liking scientific thingies. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

{{Imagequote}} Template help

Thanks for "butting in" on the {{Imagequote}} template. I can't believe I forgot to include that detail in the example code. Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 14:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Ernest Shackleton

Hi, thanks for your comments on the Shackleton FAC. I and other editors have responded and considering that you seem knowledgeable about the subject as well, I was wondering if you would be willing to take a second look at the article...thanks much! Lazulilasher (talk) 04:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Okee-dokee, I believe most of your concerns have been addressed. Could you let us know if you have any areas which you believe would need improvement? Thanks again for all of your helpful suggestions. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I know what you mean about the reference section. We've played around with a number of different formats to clarify the sources. Because we are mixing the notes/references/sources we once thought it better to have the two separated by using {{ref}} along with <ref>, however this was found to be rather unwieldy. Do you have any other ideas?Lazulilasher (talk) 20:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Map error

Hi, perhaps you can help me with this Shackleton question. Another user has spotted a probable error in my route map posted on the Ernest Shackleton page. The supply depot route from Ross Island now ends at Minna Bluff. Should this read "Beardmore Glacier" instead of "Minna Bluff"? Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Finetooth (talk) 17:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch and also for the additions and corrections you have been making to the text. I'll post a revised map shortly. Finetooth (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks + pass along a request

Hi Yomangan(i). Thanks for stopping by re Giant Otter. Rather than attempt a full list in Spanish and Portuguese, I've created a short and sweet naming section: Giant Otter#Naming.

Also, I got a copyedit request today regarding a painting, Vädersolstavlan. It seems like your sort of article. The fellow has taken it to PR, here. Marskell (talk) 13:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

headlines

Thank you for amending my user page. It's a good compromise. I truly believe that by leaving a retirement banner up permanently, all future "goodbye" options will be exhausted, and I will have no choice but to just stop editing one day like a normal person. Many great but gone contributors have a contributions page that simply stops. There is no goodbye message from them, no indication of a reason why they might have stopped editing, and there aren't even any "where are you?" messages on their talk pages. I find that sad, and yet they built this place. Like the laborers who put together the pyramids or the railroads. Those of us who wish to imagine that our accounts are projections of ourselves into a habitable place where our personality exists, coming, going, living, breaking, and dying—well, many things could be said about us, but at the least that we have a fascination with the abstract. And probably that we have at least one unrealistic unexpectation. –Outriggr § 01:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Mammal collab

OK, I'll set this up here - feel free to nominate and foraward to any other editor interested in furry critters. We'll see how it flies and I'll drop a note in the signpost.

Nominating key articles is ok, even if you can't work on them. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Quote marks

Many thanks for your copyedit and review of Peake. I am a bit clueless about these things, but what is the situation about speech marks, and what can I do to make such changes unnecessary in future? (I just type the keyboard and what comes out comes out). Would this be to do with having written the draft on Word?

The article was never aimed at FA originally and is just an old go-to-hell redlink filler that fell prey to my obsessiveness. I agree with the sentiments on your user page, and FAs, stars, and ticks are not my first aim. Fortunately I am placid by nature and don't get too fed up with the indignities here; but I understand very well why some people do. qp10qp (talk) 15:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Beer Street and Gin Lane

Hey, I saw your work on this while updating with some new scans of the images. It looks good! You think it'll go live soon? Vanished user ^talk 15:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Well done... it has gone live

On 12 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Beer Street and Gin Lane, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Great saves (from Marskell)

Yomangoalie

• WP:SIGNPOST and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-02-11/Dispatches. So, you don't like the tallies and the counting, but your work is appreciated :-) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah yes, but are you sure my work isn't overly reliant on a small number of general references, poorly cited, overly grandiose, inappropriate in tone, off-puttingly formatted and suggestive of a non-neutral point of view? Yomangani^talk 16:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep and you just have to control your unmitigated extrovert tendencies and excessive candour and stop treating Wikipedia as a social network......cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Please note: unless you wish to discuss an article I will not reply. Yomangani^talk 12:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Tutorial

Thanks a lot for your copy-editing! I read your useful essay, and I linked it, but I have a problem you know ... In the tutorial I am supposed (I think!) to write the comme-il-faut things. Your guide is ... you know ... for some sneaking guys who want to steal FAs. And now that nobody else can read us and it is just you and me, I can say that this is a tactic we both applaud and implement (should you tell the truth in this f... guide of yours, and make all Wikipedians nice stealers?!), but should we include this nasty things in th Signpost?! Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 13:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

On and on we go

Hello. Thank you for your help & support regarding the Ross Sea party article, now FA, and the Terra Nova Expedition, now a FAC. As you may have gathered, I am trying to improve a whole series of Antarctic exploration articles. Next up is the Discovery Expedition, which I put up for peer review some days ago, & haven't got a comment from anyone yet. Worse, I can't find it on the Peer Review list which seems to have been reformatted in a strange way. Assuming it's still on the list - and I haven't removed it - I'd welcome a comment from you if you aren't by now rather fed up with my endless editing. PS I'm getting much better with MOS issues as I think you'll see with the Discovery article Brianboulton (talk) 19:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note re Terra Nova expedition map. The one on the Ernest Shackleton article was also used in Ross Sea party. The Terra Nova Expedition worked in only one small part of Antarctica so the overall continental outline map wouldn't be any good as a basis - too small a scale to show most of the Terra Nova journeys. I'm basically looking for an outline map of just the Ross Sea sector, which can be worked on. I'm sure there's one somewhere - or that it can be created. I'll keep trying Brianboulton (talk) 15:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The map you've come up with is better than anything I've seen yet, so I'll put it in the article in place of the bland general map opposite the contents box. Finetooth is prepared to help after he has got some pressing stuff out of the way, so we may be able to develop it further, or find something else - but many thanks indeed for finding it. Brianboulton (talk) 14:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the enhanced map on the article, it looks good. I am working with Finetooth to adapt the Nasa map for the Discovery Expedition article - it's better suited to that. So both articles should get decent maps, thanks to you. Brianboulton (talk) 14:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Belated credit

I do not care much or mind, thanks!! --Stefan ^talk 00:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Featured article dispatch workshop

I set up a basic shell (and archives) for coordinating the weekly dispatch at Wikipedia:Featured article dispatch workshop. (In case you want to peek in now and then.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

After re-reading Raul's original post, I changed it to WP:FCDW (featured content not article). There are a gazillion people listed at DYK; who's the go-to person on this over there? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Try WT:DYK - anybody who is interested looks in there. Yomangani^talk 15:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I think I'll wait a week or two to make sure the thing is working before advertising it on talk pages ... trying to start slow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Yomangan/A bastard's guide to writing a featured article

You 100% rock. Just so you know. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 01:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Map thanks again

An excellent map for the Discovery Expedition has been developed by Finetooth from the Nasa draft you found. It's on the article now. The article has just about finished its peer review & I am weighing it up with a view to FAC. The map certainly helps, so thanks for drawing my attention to it. Brianboulton (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Response

see message at Talk:Sakura Haruno LOTRrules (talk) 23:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Do I dare ask?

Are you interested in the featured article review of Che Guevara? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Very brave of you, but I'd rather eat powdered glass. Hasta la Remove siempre. Yomangani^talk 17:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You really should pass some of those funny pills my way. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Remind me again? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Lord Mayor of London

Kbthompson has started a discussion at WT:WikiProject London, your input would be appreciated. Xn4 18:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hogarth

I took the ref pertaining to Hogarth' supposed inspiration from an article you yourself wrote. The statement is referenced by a book written by a man considered an expert in the field of Hogarth. Is this not reference enough to include such a statement? -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It is enough to include the information, but not enough to state that Hogarth himself said that he took his inspiration from Swift's poem. We don't have any record of Hogarth personally stating that. Yomangani^talk 09:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I never stated in the hook that the words exited Hogarth's mouth, just that he supposedly did take inspiration from it. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No, but the suggested alternate hook did. It was that hook I was addressing. Yomangani^talk 09:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

You're the best

Just Because. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

...and apparently I also 100% rock (see above). Soon I will have collected enough accolades to outweigh my bad points.Yomangani^talk 23:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Takes all kinds, doesn't it ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. with no S. I love the "Reriable Ropyrediders" caption! –Outriggr § 00:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ropyrighd, Rooby Doo. Yomangani^talk 01:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

answ

I know, but:

• there are many other motivations;
• wth that biting it seams that he wants from me that oppose.

MOJSKA 666 (msg) 06:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Venus

If you could track it down, that would be great. I have half an idea for an 'influence' section, and really need to clarify on the Goya. Delacroix's "Louis d'Orleans Showing his Mistress", Cabanel's "Birth of Venus", and Carracci's "Venus Adorned by the Graces" all need a mention. On the other side there is the Brunswick "Aphrodite Kallipgos"[3] that I am struggling to shoehorn in, though it is patently a precurser. Ceoil (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I fkning hate red links. Don't fight me on this please, unless you want to spend the early part of the summer in arbcom. The Dali seems to be more from Botticelli, what with all the water, but is unusually cubist for him. The embracing couple is amazing. Ceoil (talk) 17:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Damn. It's with great regret than I add you to my list of enemies, but there you are, just below Outriggr. I hope you have stuff, because friend, you will need it. Bite? Least of your problems ;-) Ceoil (talk) 18:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes. Good man yourself. Ceoil (talk) 14:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

How are you with article logic, organisation, and structure. Its a weakness of mine, as you probably detected from my machine gun editing style; some suggestions would be great, please...Ceoil (talk) 14:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that might be an artists impression. It doesn't matter, but we just need to clarify. To my eye, the slashes seem to float above the figure, and the disruption seems to very thin. Ceoil (talk) 15:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is a photo - it's identical to the equivalent section in the larger picture and the larger picture has artefacts that wouldn't be present in an artist's impression. Yomangani^talk 15:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The only problem with that is that the nice echo between the Goya and the Giorgione is lost. Any clever way to reposit the images, while still retaining their appromixity to the relevant text, coming to mind? Ceoil (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

After its all done we can take a more judgish (no idea how to spell that) view of the images. The 'influence on' section is hard to put together as a coheriant thread rather than just a disconnected list. I might have to hold the FAC to resolve this one, as no source I have examine the issue. Sad face. Ceoil (talk) 16:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Often the problem - you have to go to books on the pictures you think might be influenced by it and then you have the fun of trying to tie together odd snippets from twenty books. Seen this? [4] Yomangani^talk 16:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Now is the time to jump in with your Dali. I really like the boneless Ingres, don't cut for a while! Working, reading; in quite a panic I have to admit. Oh Johnbod where art thou... Ceoil (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

What about David's Mars disarmed by Venus, and the curve ball: Rossetti's Lady Lilith - absorbed in her own reflection (on a theme, if not influenced by). Yomangani^talk 16:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to step back now for four or five days; its Paddys weekend, and I [am happy to and delighted at the prospect of] tending to my new Polish inlaws (gf; I dont do married chicks). Thank you Yomangan, for all your help and encouragement in the last few days, MF. Ceoil (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

What sort of attitude is that for an enemy? (I saw you cut another redlink.) Spieprzaj dziadu! (and relax). Yomangani^talk 17:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Just keeping my enemies close to my chest. But jeeze, now tempted to bump Outriggr up to no.1 most feared. Very disappointed, expected more theeETTh. Ceoil (talk) 17:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm in for the long game. Ty chuju jebany. Try that on your inlaws. It means "Welcome". Yomangani^talk 18:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Right. Google: Yomangani + Iraq + execution + tomorrow + drawn out bloody pain. I'd pull back out of mercy but this is too easy, fool, and so muxh fun. Bite? Don't make me laugh. Ceoil (talk) 18:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Scott versus Shackleton

I don't know if the correspondence between Scott and the RGS re Shackleton has been published, but bits of it have been quoted. For example Riffenburgh in his Nimrod book has Scott calling Shackleton a "liar"( p. 178). RGS librarian H R Mill has Scott "gloomily discussing with Keltie whether he ought to go to meet Shackleton" (after Shackleton's return from the Nimrod exped1tion) - quoted by Roland Huntford, p. 232. There's other correspondence, too, such as the letter from Scott to Skelton quoted by David Crane on pp. 395-396. Preston summarises their deteriorating relationship quite well on pp. 88-89. I don't share your view about the non-relevance of Scott's diary entries re Shackleton. The one on 9 January 1912, when Scott's party passed Shackleton's Farthest South, is particularly barbed and dismissive, - referring to passing "beyond the record of Shackleton's exaggerated walk", although the word exaggerated does not appear in the published diaries.

I've read enough to convince me that genuine antipathy developed them, but as this post-dates the Discovery Expedition I haven't dealt with it at any length. When I get to work on the Nimrod Expedition article, as I intend to later, I will explore this issue a little further. Brianboulton (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Since neither Scott nor Shackleton produced autobiographies we can only surmise their relationship from what others wrote, & how they interpreted events. I have touched on the question in my current revisions to the Captain Scott article, which is currently being largely ignored during a peer review. I have no plans to push this article to FAC - I just want suggestions from others about how it can be improved. Take a look if you've got time. Otherwise, the Nimrod revision should be around by mid-April, perhaps. Brianboulton (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Map

I've checked with Collins, and the existing map is probably OK. The breeding range includes the higher ground, but not coasts, of Italy, Greece and the Balkans/Caucasus, and that is shown adequately (I suspect that either Collins or BWP was the original source). Thanks for your kind offer, but at the level of detail of these maps, I don't think that ther is actually a problem. Jimfbleak (talk) 11:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I've tweaked the distribution section a bit to reflect the map better Jimfbleak (talk) 11:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for NZ links, I'll look in more detail later Jimfbleak (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, ref 1 doesn't implicate the Song Thrush in the abstract, rest is pay-for, but ref 2 does the job anyway. Ref 3 in the entire 62 pages only mentions Song Thrush once without specific claims, but I've added a different link instead. Many thanks Jimfbleak (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Got it! fixed now. I don't know if this will ever actually get to FA, since Tony appears determined to sink it on copy-editing issues, opposing rather than fixing or commenting, but I'll persevere for now. Jimfbleak (talk) 16:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear sir,

The presence of your company is urgently required here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know where to start. I can't say I know much about Texicans and my first impulse would be to cut the "Silly Names" section, but I guess that is kind of the point of the article. Yomangani^talk 01:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I was hoping you could give it some sense ... on the other hand, that bathing machine has potential. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that's on my watchlist as I had a FAC version that I was just finishing off before I got fed up last time (the existing article is mostly wrong as I recall). I think I deleted it though. Yomangani^talk 01:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

You could ask a friendly admin type (not an oxymoron :-) to restore it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It was on my PC, so I doubt it ;) Yomangani^talk 01:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

D'oh. Smart guy :-) With the likely donation forecast for the coming year, I should put TS on my hard drive. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Still no interest? Karanacs is reading up a storm, but she has to watch her toddlers, and all of this has to be worked in. What a pest I am :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Karanacs is taking the afternoon off, in case you want to have at it without edit conflicts; she has a lot of notes at Talk:Ima Hogg/additional material. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we've got enough now for a snazzy lead ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I might be able to look at it a little bit later, but I'm going to be fairly busy for the next week. Still, I'll interfere when I get the chance. Yomangani^talk 17:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help. Cookies next week :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Discovery gets a star

Discovery Expedition is promoted to FA. Thank you for your support, much appreciated - and for support in earlier endeavours, too. Brianboulton (talk) 13:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Well done. Good work on tidying up Scott too. Yomangani^talk 13:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Desmarest's Hutia

Hi. I'll try to expand on my point and if you still feel strongly about it, you can revert and I won't revert back (ever). Regardless of which page of the MoS per any given time (and that does vary) says what, our side argues that only a tiny minority benefits from unforced sizes (our side, myself and others who advance that opinion are among that minority), but the vast overwhelming majority are readers who are not registered and therefore, do not reap these benefits. True, we're the ones who put the work, but we put the work for them, the readership (i.e. the average reader who, again, outnumbers us editors with set preferences, hundreds of fold). Hope that makes sense to you, in a utilitarian sense. Best, El_C 17:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you meant, but I don't see the benefit of forcing your preference (seemingly 229px) over the default (180px). All that does is break the formatting for those who do have their preference set (admittedly a small number) while not really providing any benefit for the casual reader (without their preferences set). I can understand forcing sizes for works of art etc., where a thumb of 180px would be useless or a detail where a thumb of 180px would unbalance the article, but for a general image I don't see the point. Yomangani^talk 18:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the problem with quite a few of these mammal images I'm seeing is that the one can barely tell what the face, etc., look like without clicking, thereby largely failing the usefulness of the (un-clicked) framed image that's displayed. El_C 02:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Then the default should really be made larger (I don't suppose you intend to carry out this exercise for every mammal listed?) though I lack the will to even start looking for discussion on that. Yomangani^talk 12:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The default could work for some images, but not for others; it depends on the image. I don't think there's a blanket solution. My point, however, is that the 99% of those who read the articles (i.e. "the readership") are almost entirely unregistered / without set preferences, and the system should prioritize them, not the editors who are the writers. In answer to your question: I just attend to the images I edit, I don't seek others to apply a meta solution. El_C 11:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help on Blue Iguana, yes, the other common name is the Grand Cayman Iguana, or Grand Cayman Blue Iguana...but "Blue Iguana" seems more popular over the past 5 years. My preference is to refer to them by their Latin names, anyway!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 02:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Tom Crean article

What's the Wikipedia line on "ibid" and similar Latin abbreviations? I personally dislike it, along with "op cit.", "passim" and other elitisms, but I'd accept it unless there is a definite MoS issue here. Brianboulton (talk) 15:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know there's no prohibition on their use. I always advise against their use though as with Wikipedia being editable it is easy to insert another book by the same author in between the titled reference and the ibid reference which throws the the whole referencing out. Yomangani^talk 15:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Incidentally, you have obviously noticed my work on the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition, an article seemingly abandoned after your review in January 2007. I thought it might be a quick job to fix the article, but it's proving tough, with lots of rewriting and filling of gaps. Your idea of listing the expedition members in a separate article makes a lot of sense. I will soldier on, and perhaps bring the article to a fresh review when it's ready. Brianboulton (talk) 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Procedure

Can you help? I'm trying to approve a GAN (not Tom Crean). I haven't done this before, and I can't follow the instructions for passing articles on the GAN page. Specifically :-

• Where is the edit summary "Passed"Article Name"" supposed to go, and are the quote marks significant?
• I've no idea what the footnote[2] means
• "Please use GA in your edit summary" - What edit summary, and how do I "use GA"?
• Where do I leave my review of the article?

These points probably seem obvious to you, but as a first-time reviewer I'm afraid I don't follow them. Could you spare a moment to assist me? Brianboulton (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanations - I suppose its pretty obvious really. I've used the non-ambitious version of point 2 and I haven't written the summary yet, but I've managed the rest. Brianboulton (talk) 00:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Day of Spring!

Happy First Day of Spring!

A Beautiful Cherry Tree in Spring Bloom

Theres nothing like seeing a field full of spring flowers.

Just wishing you a wonderful First Day of Spring {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}! ~~~~

If you live in the Southern Hemisphere and are entering the season of Autumn not Spring then I wish you a happy First Day of Autumn {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}!
To spread this message to others, add {{subst:First Day Of Spring}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Map request

First let me say that I have now read your excellent guide to writing an FA, and I have been inspired to incorporate all the techniques that I wasn't already using! Let's start with a begging letter.

On the Song Thrush nomination, you were kind enough to offer to do a range map, although it transpired that it was the text rather than the existing map that was at fault. I've just started polishing Chough, which could do with a range map. If you are willing to help with this, what's the best way to proceed? There isn't a global map on the web that I can find, but I have a hard copy map.

thanks for any help or advice you can impart, Jimfbleak (talk) 10:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

many thanks, will do later today, Jimfbleak (talk) 06:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

New meme

Yomangan's dilemma. Ceoil (talk) 07:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope you all realize how many are following that advice (Finding a subject), and what kind of work it's causing (me) (and some others). Is that the intended effect? I'd be most obliged if you'd ask Yannis if he'll delink (or rewrite that portion), since the word seems to be out that nomming an article you know nothing about and have never edited is a good idea, and it's causing work for me and reviewers, and the nominators never come back and aren't equipped to improve the articles. It's funny, but the work it's generating for me and reviewers backlogs FAC and is a killer, and it doesn't feel so funny after a nasty Wiki day of sockpuppets, trolls, vandals and personal attacks. Must be the moon ... sorry to be a grouch :-( SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

On the one hand, I'm relieved to see that I'm not the only one who's noticed; it's been making crazy, and it appears others noticed today as well. On the other hand, I had to mention the possibility ... See Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Drive-by nominations. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply to grouch: I agree, and been and seen this before. But in this instance, an FA quality article written by a retired FA editor needs a sheppard. It was qualified that nothing would happen until copies of the main sources were acquired by said shepards...Ceoil (talk) 08:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I know, I'm not talking about your case; it just all came up at the same time :-) I'm just trying to figure out if it's the moon, or something else, but it's been a long attacks, trolls, socks and vandals day ... and the increasing drive-by noms at FAC are just one piece of it. I'm wondering if the Bastard's guide is feeding this trend ? Whatever it is, it's reached critical mass, and we may need to change something. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

The article stats defence seems to be the best option in these cases, but that has to be fustrating. Ceoil (talk) 09:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Right, but the time and resources each one of those takes ... maralia notices, has to do the stats and post them, then I have to carefully look at the article, the talk page, the nominator and the nominator's editing history, and the regular editors to make sure I'm not unfairly engaging elitism or ownership, then if I decide to withdraw, that takes four steps to archive plus several talk page notes ... I did this kind of miercoles all day today. (That's a euphemism for the "sh" word to Yomangani and me :-) Well, maybe if the AN/I situation weren't going on, it wouldn't tire me ... but others noticed it today as well. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Yomangan, by the way. Ceoil (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry and embarrassed for barging in with this, but this is occupying a lot of my Wiki time, and I've got to sort it out. Sorry :-( SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry? Are you joking! The things Yomagan satires, you mop. Eek. Ceoil (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I just feel badly; I don't know what's causing it, I'm not sure it's the satire, I just know it's dominating my Wiki time, and reviewers are clamoring to do something -- the do something is work. I feel badly even raising that the satire could be causing it ...  :-( SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Easier might to be to clone you. Ceoil (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Easier might be for Wrong Planet to stop attacking me so I can focus on the work I enjoy doing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I can take credit for the drive-by noms: my guide isn't read enough to cause that (Giano's gets more than twice as much traffic according to Henrik's tool, but I'm guessing you haven't been inundated with chocolates, Sandy?) Do we have a template to indicate that the nominator is not a major contributor? On the other hand, why shouldn't "drive-by" noms be encouraged? Somebody coming to an article with fresh eyes may be in a better position to judge it than somebody who has been slaving over it for months. Modest editors may not put their work forward now, who knows. Perhaps the procedure should be that where the nominator isn't a major contributor they have to announce their intentions a week before on the article talk page, otherwise we just revert the addition of the nomination to to the FAC page and blank the nomination page. Anyone could do that. Maybe WP:WBFAN should be deleted - I'm sure that has to some extent caused this culture of ownership at FAC, as it encourages us to think of the nominator as the author, though not one of those articles has been the work of a single author, and now, more than ever, articles are made FAs at FAC, rather than coming ready for approval. (and who or what is Wrong Planet?) Yomangani^talk 10:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Chocolate supply is dwindling; reviewing FACs was a better paying job :-) Suspect two possible factors feeding drive-bys: WP:WBFAN and WP:RFA. Am working on a proposal for exactly that (new nominators should notify, in case established editors say it isn't ready, will save everyone a lot of work). Wrong Planet. Long day in the yard doing spring cleanup, tired; short sentences :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Columbus Breaking the Egg

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Kannada literature

Hi. I happened to notice that you are an experienced wikipedian and well accomplished at that. I have this article in FAC and the biggest complaint I have from reviewers (who care for it) is the prose which according to Tony1 and Taxman needs polishing. I requested Giano, Awadewit and a few others but they may be busy. Please let me know if you have time to take a look at this article and improve its prose and presentation. Thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

"Miss Ima"

	Nice job on "Miss Ima"!
	To all of the excellent editors who were part of the Karanacs-led collaboration to bring Ima Hogg to featured status, it was a pleasure working with you on such a fine article about a great lady. Thank you so much for your contribution to this fun collaboration. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)	File:Ima large.jpg

Map

That's brilliant, many, many thanks. I'll put it in the article and post at FAC

Bill Welch

How do I get an article listed in the featured list? Maybe this article doesn't meet the criteria, but I wasn't sure where to find out how to do this? Much thanks. --StateCollege103 (talk) 01:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Jim

Interesting current project

This is just a note to let you know about a a project you may be interested in. The main project page is at WP:MMM; it's a class project for a Canadian university. The class is studying Latin American literature, and part of their grade is going to depend on how close they can get their articles to FA status. There are twelve articles, with two or three students working on each.

A completely separate project, the FA team, got involved early on, and we're now in the last couple of weeks of the semester. The students are trying to get the articles in shape to nominate at FAC by 10 April. There's a status section showing who's working on what at the FA team talk page. The tasks that need doing now include copyediting, GA reviews, MOS verification, and any preparation needed for FAC. The professor, jbmurray, is taking responsibility (prior to FAC, at least) of checking that the coverage is broad and that the right academic sources are consulted. If you'd like to get involved, please take a look around and jump in, or ask questions at the FA team talk page.

If you don't have time, no problem -- I'm leaving this note with four or five of the best editors I know, just in case it happens to interest you. The FA team is really enjoying it, and it's a great project that is likely to get us twelve high-quality articles as well as several new Wikipedians. Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed, don't you want to be top of WP:WBE? Please don't answer that. But thanks for the help; a great copyedit and a very helpful peer review. You might be interested in Professor Murray's essay here. Mike Christie (talk) 23:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a climb to the top of WP:WBE is likely. Yomangani^talk 23:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Captain Scott

Thanks for your recent FA support for Scott. Also for the improvements to ITAE which I will nominate as FAC in a few days if no one else wants to comment at peer review. Brianboulton (talk) 10:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Name dropper

Tony hasn't copyedited yet, but I wanted you to know that I plan to drop your name next week: Wikipedia:FCDW/April 7, 2008. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Tony insisted it wasn't working, and I had to lose it <grrrr ... > ... consider your name undropped. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yo-ho-ho, Yo-ma-ma!

Yo ho ho, more pestering! Bad mommee 'Zilla redirect little pest! :-( Yo-ma-ma cheer up pest, sew more proto-tetrapod plushies? :-) Little Pest (talk) 05:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC).

• He he he he he he he he, outstanding! Waspy and Dick sca-ree plushies ! Thank you Yo! bishapod splash! 12:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC).

Want to be bitten by the sharks again??

Have you seen Megalodon recently, I think User:LeGenD have done a very good job, do you mind doing some copy editing?? My english is not good enough. I think it is close to beeing FA material when it comes to content. --Stefan ^talk 12:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I haven't, I'll have to have a look over it next week. Yomangani^talk 13:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Stefan ^talk 13:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I have not been involved in updating it and will not push for FA, but I expect that it will go that way sooner or later and wanted your help :-), thanks! --Stefan ^talk 00:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I wanted your opinion, I value it! --Stefan ^talk 03:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Three sporty girls

Well done for finding this. Could we have the SPRI link in the text rather than in a footnote, where fewer people will see it? Brianboulton (talk) 13:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Re your comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Featured articles/FA-Team/Mission 1

"Choose common sense." Marvellous stuff - that ought to be the sixth pillar ;) EyeSerene^talk 17:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Trans-Antarctic

Could you deal with (or tell me how to) the "bald link" point that a reviewer has raised on the peer review. I haven't a clue. Brianboulton (talk) 11:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Who needs cookies?

Venta de mango, carretera Caracas–Maracay

A mi amigo Yomangani: un mango frescito y cortadito para tú disfrute

Much better than cookies.
Forget the kitchen: I headed out to Maracay and found this nice dish alongside the road for you (not the woman, the fresh fruit :-))
Much better for your health and digestion (not the woman, the mango).
Oops, pretend it's July and don't tell anyone it's not mango season yet :-)
Thanks for allowing me to drop your name!
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

general

OK, if I have time then. TONY (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The General in His Labyrinth

Believe it or not, I am at the moment embroiled in trying to find refs for various things the GA reviewer has mentioned at Augusto Roa Bastos. It's very slow (loads of "nearly references" but few bullseyes), because I didn't write the piece and get headaches when forced to peep out beyond the year 1630, but it needs doing as this is deadline day, I think. I will try to get over to the one above sooner or later, but I need to see my present task through first. qp10qp (talk) 13:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually my contributions don't show what I am doing at the moment (source reading), but I have the day off (didn't exactly plan to spend it on South American literature, but give the cat another goldfish), and I should get to the General this evening unless the sun comes out and I can garden (yes, what a jolly exciting old life I lead).qp10qp (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, you're the wordsmith :-) It says South American twice, and one of them could be fixed to specify Venezuelan, even though he led "parts" of South America. Needs tightening :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, his nationality is tricky - he was technically Spanish, wasn't he? Perhaps we should just move Gran Colombia up to remove one of the South Americas. Yomangani^talk 01:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I 'spose you've not visited the casa natal del libertador in Caracas :-) I think that qualifies him as Venezuelan :-) But what the heck; we're running a Guatemalan story on Cinco de Mayo. Anyway, the Venezuelan part doesn't matter to this article; it's the repetition of South America in the lead, as if he had something to do with, for instance, Argentina or Brazil or Chile or Paraguay. Yea, bringing up Gran Colombia rather than Venezuela would solve it, actually. That article's rough; lots of work to be repaid with a blog entry saying we "suck". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Besides, one never knows what one never knows. We could end up with a Guatemalan on the main page for a Mexican holiday if we don't clarify. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I laughed out loud there, SandyGeorgia!!! Yup, I tried to suggest a rather more sober and appropriate anniversary (10th of the massacre of a Guatemalan bishop who'd put out a truth and reconciliation report). But students, eh?  ;) --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 01:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm so glad you get it; had me worried :-) Yes, students ... :-) . SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Is there a reason character names aren't linked? Rafael Urdaneta? Because they are fictional characters? The plot summary has lots of gaps. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

And Manuela Sáenz? Battle of Ayacucho? OK, I'm going to stop, because there's so much missing, perhaps it's a conscious choice not to link to the real people for the fictional characters? Revert me if needed; lots of lack of defintion in the plot summary. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Just an oversight. It hasn't had a final copyedit yet. Please fill in any that you find. I got them to cut down the plot summary - please point out any important gaps. Yomangani^talk 01:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I wasn't sure; I left inlines. I'll get back on them after I finish stubbing 'ole Nelson, waiting for some teenager to then swoop in and delete him. Hard to find bios in a country where the press is limited. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hombre de letras

I had a problem with the Pietri wording when I first encountered it, but didn't know how to fix it.[5] Asked my dear spouse last week, and he had the same feeling. Pietri is very highly regarded and recognized as the intellectual diplomat and "un hombre de letras", culto. Was also a presidential candidate. His article hits it right: "He was a writer and an intellectual, who made important contributions as an educator, journalist, diplomat, politician and government official." Maybe if you beef it up to add the word intellectual, since in colloquial terms, he is Venezuela's "Dean of Letters", even if that doesn't translate to English. Don't know how to fix it, so I just added in "prominent"; his opinion carries weight. He's not just Nelson Bocaranda talking :-) Revert or fix if you can figure something else out. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I've just added "leading" - I think it gives him his dues without unbalancing what is essentially an aside for a minor point. Yomangani^talk 01:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That works :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow. A redundant "very" from Tony!! [6] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

He must be slipping. It will be "in order to" before you know it. Good night, I'm off to relax before the fighting begins on the FAC tomorrow. Yomangani^talk 01:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

He's not slipping; he's tiring of me beating him up :-) And after the Cinco de Mayo celebrations, I've got my work cut out to recover from the price we paid with the blog commentary that FAC "sucks". I keep hoping the party that comment was aimed at will get an apology, but ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about the MMM blog entry I think the comment was that what "sucks" is having the nomination stall while a mini-workshop on fair use takes place, not any particular editor or FAC itself. I've just seen the TFA for May 5th...very odd, like having an article on the Eiffel Tower up for St George's Day. Yomangani^talk 09:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The mistake was probably mine for passing on the blog URL (and being naive about how many people would see it). The blog was public but not publicized. And I don't think any criticism was intended at individuals. In fact, I've only just realized that anyone felt insulted. I think there's more to say about this, but perhaps better wait until the MMM post-mortem, once we've gone through a couple more FACs. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 09:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I got over it. But I'm hoping Wiki isn't going to take a credibility hit when we run a Guatemalan on Cinco de Mayo; I'm still struggling with that. Perhaps it won't really matter; perhaps I'm too nitpicky. Or too nationalist or something :-)) We don't have anything else we could run that day, but I'd be pretty fussed if we ran an Argentine article on Cinco de Julio. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can run Buckingham Palace on Bastille Day. We're all Europeans over here after all. Yomangani^talk 23:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

I just wanted to thank you for all the work you put into our article! We wouldn't have been able to get to FA status without your help! Thanks so much! Eshiu (talk) 04:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :-)

A little thing, but so glad when others help lighten the load :-) Thanks.[7] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:45, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I was looking forward to reviewing an article on "Comments on the lead", so it came as a bit of a disappointment and I didn't want others to have their hopes dashed (the second disappointment today - I saw The Mummy was on the urgents list and rushed over expecting to encounter an enlightening article on E. A. Wallis Budge's 1925 tome on Egyptian funerary practices, but instead I find a film which features "substantial dialogue in ancient Egyptian language, spoken with the assistance of a professional Egyptologist". I guess he just operates the mouth). 01:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So fixit; Comments on the lead awaits your magical prose !! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

ITAE = FA

Thanks to your skillful unobtrusive edits this expedition has its star. Most satisfying to see the article rescued. Shackleton, the great rescuer, would be proud. Brianboulton (talk) 12:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on another one. There's a Featured Topic in the making if you haven't thought of it already. British Antarctic Exploration in the Heroic Age, or Antarctic Exploration in the Heroic Age, or Antarctic Exploration; or Polar Exploration. Depends how much work you want to do! Yomangani^talk 12:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Diff

SNAUSAGES!!

Not cool Ceoil (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC) I quite agree. Want me to add those redlinks back to Venus too? Yomanganitalk 22:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Yomangan, I have no idea what you mean there above, like. Maybe its because im thick, but i dont think so. English, please. Ceoil (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC) You said your removal of a useful redlink wasn't cool. I agreed and remembered there were some nice articles waiting to written to complement the The Rokeby Venus. I thought maybe you'd like me to return those redlinks too. Yomanganitalk 23:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC) And i was supposed to derive that logic from the edit summary "relink". Ha, NOT cool. Lets just walk away. Ceoil (talk) 00:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Poor auld Outrggr. God bless him and his various socks. Ceoil (talk) 00:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Here I am. I feel like a character in Dickens now. You two shouldn't be arguing about redlinks, for WP:CIVILITYBOT's sake. Now, can I go back to feeling sorry about everything? Thanks. –Outriggr § 00:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC) On the plus side, you've made the only useful comment at FAC. Yomanganitalk 00:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC) You're forgetting the new hierarchy. The second most useful, now that you've appeared! –Outriggr § 00:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Fighting with Y-man over redlinks would be like fighting with Tony over his emdashes; never separate a man from his red-dashes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Yeah, I don't know what Ceoil was thinking. P.S. Yomangan, you are not actually allowed to edit or comment on these Latin American lit articles unless and until you sign up here. No one likes a loose cannon (or a loose canon). –Outriggr § 01:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC) But The Fat Man already got the best slot. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC) I've given up joining things. Sooner or later they always ask for money. Yomanganitalk 01:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Y-man? Yomanganitalk 01:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC) oh, I forgot the J's: 3, 2, 1, 0 Joe Mangan 1 SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Never heard of him. Yomanganitalk 01:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Too bad, clever fellow he is! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Y-man, here's the newest thing in filling in red-links!: Syndics of the Drapers' Guild, Bathsheba at Her Bath –Outriggr § 02:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

That's novel. Nine revisions to leave Bathsheba at Her Bath in that state too. I can't get up the enthusiasm to fill them in, unfortunately. Yomangani^talk 12:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Chough range map.png

Hi, could you please mark the Triglav National Park[8]/Julian Alps on the map you created? The Red-billed Chough nests there and is a protected species in Slovenia.[9] Thanks a lot. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 11:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The only problem with this is that it is so small that it will be close to invisible unless viewed at full resolution. I've added it anyway. Yomangani^talk 13:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

There would be no harm in making it a bit larger imho as all Julian Alps may be marked. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 13:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

NCFC

Thanks so much! Swapping images seems a good idea to me. Not sure which is the 4th from bottom bit you're unsure about. I'm looking through the diff - wondered if "moniker" might be a little informal? --Dweller (talk) 13:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right that "goal average difference of just 0.05 of a goal." includes something of a redundancy, but I'm also unconvinced that without the apparent tautology it'll be clear to those unfamiliar with goal averages (which, let's face it, is most people who use the Internet... goal average went out with the dinosaurs, never mind the barbarians who know nothing of the beautiful game!) --Dweller (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It said they rose "to fourth from bottom" - I wasn't sure whether this meant they rose from bottom to fourth from top, bottom to fourth from bottom, or fourth from bottom from third or second from bottom. The playoffs convinced me it wasn't the first one, but I guessed at the second. I don't think moniker is any less formal than nickname (by the way it would be good to explain what canary breeding has to do with Norwich and/or the club). As to goal average, I must admit I'm one of those barbarians and it is clear to me, but I don't think there is a major problem adding it back in. Yomangani^talk 13:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

...and "over £20,000" was to avoid having "more than £20,000" twice in two lines (directly over each other on my screen). Yomangani^talk 13:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

OK... 4th from bottom - I don't know which is the case. The salient point is that by getting out of the bottom 3 you escape the relegation places. So they'd moved from bottom, second from bottom or third... I suspect bottom, but have no RS. I'll go with you on moniker. The canary breeding is a) contentious and b) OR city. Probable that the manager of the time just referred to the team as his canaries and it stuck, but fact is, no-one really knows. I'll go with you on goal average and the over/more than. Thanks again. If you haven't already, you're welcome to visit the FAC. --Dweller (talk) 13:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The maps

I'm looking now (spent most of the day in the garden, have been distracted); we still have Bogata rather than Bogota on the second map. On the first map, I'm getting a big history lesson from my spouse, and it's a concern. The map and caption may be oversimplified to blatantly wrong (notice the revert history on that image discusses disputes), but I'm not basing this on a reliable source (unless spouses count :-). The map shown is theoretically based on a reliable source (Augustin Codazzi); do I bother to type up all the different disputes and issues and (basically) hearsay from my husband, or do we leave it alone? All of these countries had multiple territorial disputes, and parts of Peru, at least, were included in Gran Colombia at different times, so the caption at least is off. I think the caption saying Gran Colombia was x, y and z is an oversimplification. Not sure what to do next; I could ping some of the Venezuelans, but I'd rather find a quicker/easier solution than digging into the entire history of Gran Colombia, which would require reliable sources. The image they're using is a self-made map, and we don't have an online source from the person who uploaded it; uncomfortable about that. And I saw a note on his page that Jbmurray was off for the weekend.

Ugh. I had thought the first map was OK!  :( --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 01:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Rhetorical: why do all three of the MMM FACs have to have such tricky issues. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Those damn Latins?!  ;) --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 01:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they don't follow rules very well, do they ?  :-) This is what I meant by all three have something. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Disregarding momentarily reliability of sources, my husband thinks this looks more like it. Also, even our article on Gran Colombia mentions more than Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela. Bottom line: I don't have access to a reliable source, but I'm concerned that at least the image caption may be oversimplified. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

See here. I checked google maps and got a few diferrent versions to say the least, now about Gran Colombia emcopassing more than just Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela thats 100% correct, even parts of what is now Brazil were part of GC at one point. The problem is that the borders were shifting often and each map says something different. Acer (talk) 23:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Acer, I think we're on the same page. Map doesn't relate to current boundaries (but we don't say it does), borders were constantly shifting, so our image caption is oversimplified to say Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela, since at different times, it encompassed much more. Can we fix it by just changing the caption? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

If you are still getting A instead of O, it's cached in your browser [10]. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Gran Colombia being spot on - the map is to give an idea of the concept of the territory. I'd imagine it is impossible to draw a map of the actual territory as it was so fluid and subjective. This one is more "Bolívar was around here" than anything as far as I'm concerned. I doubt anyone will actually examine the map in detail from that article. That said, I always like the old maps, as you can disavow any responsibility for their inaccuracies. Maybe I'll hunt around for a PD antique version, but I wouldn't disqualify the article on the basis of a variation in the borders in an image. I thought the General was fairly painless so far, and issues at El Señor Presidente and Llosa Vargas seem mostly the result of discussions of dodgy formulation of various policies and guidelines happening in a FAC rather than on the policy pages. Yomangani^talk 23:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you happy with the image caption? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

We actually had the antique map on Commons, and I deleted the modern country listing from the caption. Better? Yomangani^talk 23:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

That does the trick (and it's the same map I found :-) Thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup, good call. Nobody's going to criticize a historical map :) Acer (talk) 00:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, is this sorted? (I'm at the airport and not really here.) --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 01:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I think so. Yomangani^talk 08:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hello Yomangan! I just wanted to say thank you sooooo much for helping The General in His Labyrinth reach FA! It would not have been possible without you and I cannot thank you enough! Carlaty (talk) 05:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Goya and eek

Yomangan, I'm rousing the troops to tackle Saturn Devouring His Son: we all have Goya books at our feet, and that is half the work. Would you be interested? I also want to apologise for my bitch fit above; was a bit cranky that night, and i'm sorry. Ceoil (talk) 06:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

If the cap fits

Oh, crumbs, no: you are the height of tolerance. Not thinking of you there at all.

By the way, you two, don't even think of recruiting me for Goya. For me he falls into the category of Artists who couldn't draw hands.

I enjoyed the labyrinth business. Just finished the book and it's a nice easy read, though the "Do I smell almonds? That reminds me of the night I spent with Margarita in the orchard" routine wears a bit thin. qp10qp (talk) 15:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Artists who could draw hands is probably a more manageable category. I like Goya's pudgy little paws though. Yomangani^talk 15:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Mario Vargas Llosa

Hi there! Thank you kindly for your thorough review of Mario Vargas Llosa. I've addressed the majority of the comments that you've posted, to the best of my ability. Please have a look to see if I have adequately assessed your concerns. Thanks again. Lincolnchan98 (talk) 08:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)