User talk:Macedonian

To some ignorant friends:
It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians.
(Encyclopedia of World Cultures, p. 239)

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See here for maps as well

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[3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Megistias (talk) 20:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Αν θες βοηθεια σε τιποτα αλλο η υλικο για οτιδηποτε πες μου!

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Ref List

You have to add {{Reflist}} to the bottom of the article (in a section titled "References") if it doesn't already have it. a kendall 06:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Illyria και Αλβανοι

Αλλαξα τους χαρτες στο σωστο με μια μικρη επεξηγηση.Οι αλβανοι εχουν φαει πολυ προπαγναδα και δεν ξερουν τι τους γινεται.

Γειά σου Ελλάδιε!

Καλώς Ήρ8ες! Ακολουθεί "επίσημο" καλωσόρισμα της WP:

Welcome!

Hello, Macedonian, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome!

Μη διστάσεις να επικοινωνήσεις για οτιδήποτε, μέσω της σελίδας συζήτησής μου, ή μέσω ηλεκτρονικού ταχυδρομείου. Χαιρετισμούς! Niko Silver 13:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Γερμανικο γουικπεντια και ιλλυρια

βρες καποιον που ξερει γερμανικα να διορθωσετε την ιλλυρια και στο γερμανικο και στα αλλα αν μπορεις.

δες εδω

[4] kai edo [5] [albanian propaganda]

Περι χαρτων

Οπως εχεις δει στις συνδεσεις μου εχω απειρους χαρτες και αν θες αποδειξεις κειμενων πανε [6]

Δες ειδικα σε αυτο εδω με προσοχη απο την αρχη ως το τελος μολις βρεις χρονο

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Σημειωση

Πρεπει να τονιστει σε ολα τα θεμα με ιλλυρια οτι οι αλβανοι δεν εχουν εδαφικα παρα το μικροτερο κομματι της ιλλυριας και οτι οι Βοσνιοι,Σλοβενιοι.....και οι αλλοι εχουν αντιστοιχα δικαιωματα στο θεμα.ΠΕρα απο το Γεγονος οτι οι Αλβανοι δεν ειναι ιλλυριοι , ουτε Πελασγοι.

Οι ιλλυριοι κατεβηκαν το 1000-1300 απο τον βορρα απο πρωτοκελτικο κορμο πληθυσμου.Οι Πελασγοι ειναι αυτοχθονες αρα οι Ιλλυριοι δεν ειναι πελασγοι με τιποτα.

Prosexe

Diabase se parakalw poly to WP:3RR gia na 3ereis. En syntomia, an kaneis panw apo treis fores revert se ena ar8ro mesa se 24 wres, 8a fas fragh gia kapoies wres/meres k.o.k. kai 8a "mavrisei" to poiniko mhtrwo sou. 3erw oti einai dyskolo na antista8eis otan antistrefeis vandalismous, alla MHN to riskareis. OK? Niko Silver 09:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

do not change the maps

everybody knows that the real greek are albanian in origin and we are people prehelenic.Dorians, thraket, mikenasit all are pelasgic tribu.You are doing a dirty job here in wikipedia. Dodona.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.24.246.74 (talk) 09:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]

...and then you woke up... Cite a trustworthy reference for your claims and then we talk, if you have the ability for that, of course! Helladios 17:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greeks are not albanian. Albanian are not prehellenic. Illyrians are not palasgic. Albanians are not illyrians. You are an albanian propagandist...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Megistias (talk) 10:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Illyrians

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Illyrians. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. -- Ronz 00:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the edit

I understand and i am sorry but illyria did not inlcude epirus and corcyra or paeonia. The maps presented by albanians are according to their nationalistic propaganda and not history.They present maps with the areas they currently want to claim from their neighbour states.

3rd party material for use in Epirus and other

Quote: "Speakers of these various Greek dialects settled different parts of Greece at different times during the Middle Bronze Age, with one group, the "northwest" Greeks, developing their own dialect and peopling central Epirus. This was the origin of the Molossian or Epirotic tribes."

E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 62

Quote: "We have seen that the "Makedones" or "highlanders" of mountainous western Macedonia may have been derived from northwest Greek stock. That is, northwest Greece provided a pool of Indo-European speakers of proto-Greek from which emerged the tribes who were later known by different names as they established their regional identities in separate parts of the country. Thus the Macedonians may have been related to those peoples who at an earlier time migrated south to become the historical Dorians, and to other Pindus tribes who were the ancestors of the Epirotes or Molossians. If it were known that Macedonian was a proper dialect of Greek, like the dialects spoken by Dorians and Molossians, we would be on much firmer ground in this hypothesis." E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 78

Quote: "When Amyntas became king of the Macedonians sometime during the latter third of the sixth century, he controlled a territory that included the central Macedonian plain and its peripheral foothills, the Pierian coastal plain beneath Mt. Olympus, and perhaps the fertile, mountain-encircled plain of Almopia. To the south lay the Greeks of Thessaly. The western mountains were peopled by the Molossians (the western Greeks of Epirus), tribes of non-Argead Macedonians, and other populations." E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 98

Quote: "As subjects of the king the Upper Macedonians were henceforth on the same footing as the original Macedonians, in that they could qualify for service in the King's Forces and thereby obtain the elite citizenship. At one bound the territory, the population and wealth of the kingdom were doubled. Moreover since the great majority of the new subjects were speakers of the West Greek dialect, the enlarged army was Greek-speaking throughout."

NGL Hammond, "Philip of Macedon", Gerald Duckword & Ltd, London, 1994

Quote: "Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks." Robert Morkot, "The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece", Penguin Publ., 1996

EPIRUS ("Hpeiros", Mainland)

North-west area of Greece, from Acroceraunian point to Nicopolis, with harbours at Buthrotum and Glycys Limen (at Acheron's mouth); bordered on south by gulf of Ambracia, and on east by Pindus range with pass via Metsovo to Thessaly.

Three limestone ranges parallel to the coast and the Pindus range enclose narrow valleys and plateaux with good pasture and extensive woods; alluvial plains were formed near Buthrotum, Glycys Limen, and Ambracia.

Epirus had a humid climate and cold winters. In terrain and in history it resembled Upper Macedonia. Known in the 'Iliad' only for the oracle of Dodona, and to Herodotus for the oracle of the dead at Ephyra, Epirus received Hellenic influence from the Elean colonies in Cassopaea and the Corinthian colonies at Ambracia and Corcyra, and the oracle of Dodona drew pilgrims from northern and central Greece especially.

Theopompus knew fourteen Epirote tribes, speakers of a strong west-Greek dialect, of which the Chaones held the plain of Buthrotum, the Thesproti the plain of Acheron, and the Molossi the plain of Dodona, which forms the highland centre of Epirus with an outlet southwards to Ambracia.

A strong Molossian state, which included some Thesprotian tribes, existed in the reign of Neoptolemos c.370-368 ("Arx.Ef".1956, 1ff). The unification of Epirus in a symmachy led by the Molossian king was finally achieved by Alexander, brother-in-law of Philip II of Macedon. His conquests in southern Italy and his alliance with Rome showed the potentialities of the Epirote Confederacy, but he was killed in 330 BC.

Dynastic troubles weakened the Molossian state, until Pyrrhus removed his fellow king and embarked on his adventurous career.

The most lasting of his achievements were the conquest of southern Illyria, the development of Ambracia as his capital, and the building of fortifications and theaters, especially the large one at Dodona.

His successors suffered from wars with Aetolia, Macedon, and Illyria, until in c.232 BC the Molossian monarchy fell.

An Epirote League with a federal citizenship was then created, and the meetings of its council were held probably by rotation at Dodona or Passaron in Molossis, at Gitana in Thesprotis, and at Phoenice in Chaonia.

It was soon involved in the wars between Rome and Macedon, and it split apart when the Molossian state alone supported Macedon and was sacked by the Romans in 167 BC, when 150,000 captives were deported.

Central Epirus never recovered; but northern Epirus prospered during the late republic, and Augustus celebrated his victory at Actium by founding a Roman colony at Nicopolis.

Under the empire a coastal road and a road through the interior were built from north to south, and Buthrotum was a Roman colony.

Ancient remains testify to the great prosperity of Epirus in Hellenistic times. N.G.L.Hammond, "Oxford Classical Dictionary," 3rd ed. (1996), pp.546,547

The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle the Illyrian problem at its roots." Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California University Press, 1990.

Quote: The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia.... Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge University Press, 1997

Quote: Alexander was King Philip's eldest legitimate child. His mother, Olympias,came from the ruling clan of the northwestern Greek region of Epirus.

David Sacks, "A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World", Oxford, 1995

Quote: Epirus was a land of milk and animal products...The social unit was a small tribe, consisting of several nomadic or semi-nomadic groups, and these tribes, of which more than seventy names are known, coalesced into large tribal coalitions, three in number: Thesprotians, Molossians and Chaonians...We know from the discovery of inscriptions that these tribes were speaking the Greek language (in a West-Greek dialect).

NGL Hammond, "Philip of Macedon", Duckworth, London, 1994

the Satyres by Juvenal

Quote: The molossians were the most powerfull people of Epirus, whose kings had extended their dominion over the whole country. They traced their descent back to Pyrrhus, son of Acchilles.. Page 225

"The Cambridge Ancient History - The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C., Part 3: Volume 3" by P Mack Crew

Quote: That the molossians, who were immediately adjacent to the Dodonaeans in the time of Hecataeus but engulfed them soon afterwards, spoke Illyrian or another barbaric tongue was nowhere suggested, although Aeschylus and Pindar wrote of Molossian lands. That they in fact spoke greek was implied by Herodotus' inclusion of Molossi among the greek colonists of Asia minor, but became demonstranable only when D. Evangelides published two long inscriptions of the Molossian State, set up p. 369 B.C at Dodona, in Greek and with Greek names, Greek patronymies and Greek tribal names such as Celaethi, Omphales, Tripolitae, Triphylae, etc. As the Molossian cluster of tribes in the time of Hecataeus included the Orestae, Pelagones, Lyncestae, Tymphaei and Elimeotae,as we have argued above, we may be confindent that they too were Greek-speaking; Quote: Inscriptional evidence of the Chaones is lacking until the Hellinistic period; but Ps-Scylax, describing the situation of c. 380-360 put the Southern limit of the Illyrians just north of the Chaones, which indicates that the Chaones did not speak Illyrian, and the acceptance of the Chaones into the Epirote alliance in the 330s suggest strongly that they were Greek-speaking Page 284

"The Cambridge Ancient History: Volume 6, the Fourth Century BC" by D M Lewis, Martin Ostwald, Simon Hornblower, John Boardman

Quote: however, in central Epirus the only fortified places were in the plain of Ioannina, the centre of the Molossian state. Thus the North-west Greek-speaking tribes were at a half-way stage economically and politically, retaining the vigour of a tribal society and reaching out in a typically Greek manner towards a larger political organization. Quote: In 322 B.C when Antipater banished banished the anti-Macedonian leaders of the Greek states to live 'beyond the Ceraunian Mountains' (plut. Phoc. 29.3) he regarded Epirus as an integral part of the Greek-speaking mainland. Page 443

Quote: The chaones as we will see were a group of Greek-speaking tribes, and the Dexari, or as they were called later the Dassarete, were the most northernly member of the group. Page 423

A New Classical Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography, Mythology and Geography" by William Smith

Quote: Molossi (Μολοσσοί), a people in Epirus, who inhabited a narrow slip of country, called after them Molossia (Μολοσσία) or Molossis, which extended from the Aous, along the western bank of the Arachthus, as far as the Ambracian Gulf. The Molossi were Greek people, who claimed descent from Molossus, the son of Pyrrhus (Neoptolemus) and Andromache, and are said to have emigrated from Thessaly into Epirus, under the guidance of Pyrrhus himself. In their new abodes they intermingled with the original inhabitants of the land and with the neighbouring illyrian tribes of which they were regarded by the other Greeks as half barbarians. They were, however, by far the most powerful people in Epirus, and their kings gradually extended their dominion over the whole of the country. The first of their kings, who took the title of King of Epirus, was Alexander, who perished in Italy B.C. 326. The ancient capital of the Molossi was Pasaron,but Ambracia afterward became their chief town, and the residence of their kings. The Molossian hounds were celebrated in antiquity, and were much prized for hunting.

That they [Dorians] were related to the North-West Dialects (of Phocis, Locris, Aetolia, Acarnania and Epirus) was not perceived clearly by the ancients

History of the Language Sciences: I. Approaches to Gender II. Manifestations By Sylvain Auroux, page 439

Quote: the western greek people (with affinities to the Epirotic tribes) in Orestis, Lyncus, and parts of Pelagonia; "In the shadow of Olympus.." By Eugene Borza, page 74

Quote: Pyrrhus, king of Epirus, was himself simply a military adventurer. He was none the less a soldier of fortune that he traced back his pedigree to Aeacus and Achilles Quote: He [Pyrrhus] has been compared to Alexander of Macedonia; and certainly the idea of founding a Hellenic empire of the west--which would have had as its core Epirus, Magna Graecia, and Sicily, would have commanded both the Italian seas, and would have reduced Rome and Carthage to the rank of barbarian peoples bordering on the Hellenistic state-system,like the Celts and the Indians--was analogous in greatness and boldness to the idea which led the Macedonian king over the Hellespont.

Quote: he was the first Greek that met the Romans in battle. With him began those direct relations between Rome and Hellas, on which the whole subsequent development of ancient, and an essential part of modern, civilization are based. Quote: this struggle between Rome and Hellenism was first fought out in the battles between Pyrrhus and the Roman generals; Quote: But while the Greeks were beaten in the battlefield as well as in the senate-hall, their superiority was none the less decided on every other field of rivalry than that of politics; and these very struggles already betokened that the victory of Rome over the Hellenes would be different from her victories over Gauls and Phoenicians, and that the charm of Aphrodite only begins to work when the lance is broken and the helmet and shield are laid aside. Theodor Mommsen History of Rome, From the Abolition of the Monarchy in Rome to the Union of Italy, The Historical Position Of Pyrrhus

Quote: That the molossians, who were immediately adjacent to the Dodonaeans in the time of Hecataeus but engulfed them soon afterwards, spoke Illyrian or another barbaric tongue was NOWHERE suggested, although Aeschylus and Pindar wrote of Molossian lands. That they in fact spoke greek was implied by Herodotus' inclusion of Molossi among the greek colonists of Asia minor, but became demonstranable only when D. Evangelides published two long inscriptions of the Molossian State, set up p. 369 B.C at Dodona, in Greek and with Greek names, Greek patronymies and Greek tribal names such as Celaethi, Omphales, Tripolitae, Triphylae, etc. As the Molossian cluster of tribes in the time of Hecataeus included the Orestae, Pelagones, Lyncestae, Tymphaei and Elimeotae,as we have argued above, we may be confindent that they too were Greek-speaking;

Inscriptional evidence of the Chaones is lacking until the Hellinistic period; but Ps-Scylax, describing the situation of c. 380-360 put the Southern limit of the Illyrians just north of the Chaones, which indicates that the Chaones did not speak Illyrian, and the acceptance of the Chaones into the Epirote alliance in the 330s suggest strongly that they were Greek-speaking. "The Cambridge Ancient History - The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C., Part 3: Volume 3" by P Mack Crew ,page 284.

Quote: The Epirotes, who may fairly be considered as Greeks by blood, long maintained a rugged independence under native chiefs, who were little more than leaders in war. A Manual of Greek Antiquities Book by Percy Gardner, Frank Byron Jevons; Charles Scribner's Sons, 1895, page 8

Maps of Illyria

Thanks for linking various maps of Illyria on the Talk:Illyria. Unfortunately, most of these maps aren't very relevant or useful. First of all, most of them have no source information, which makes them useless as sources. Secondly, based on the graphic style, they appear mostly to be 19th century, so they may well be out of date. Third, most of them use the Latin names of provinces, and so are probably maps not of the regions or the pre-Roman inhabitants, but simply of the Roman provinces or prefectures -- note in particular that Illyricum in later periods was a prefecture covering the entire Balkan peninsula. Fourth, historical maps like this are often based on very fragmentary and unreliable evidence; some historians I know dismiss them completely. Fifth, maps like this often reflect political conditions (e.g. the Kingdom of thus-and-such) rather than anything corresponding to ethnicity or whatever. So I think we need to find more modern, reliable sources. --Macrakis 15:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Γειά! I doubt it will be possible to find modern maps that have suitable licenses. I think it would be better to find WP:Reliable sources describing the regions. But I believe most modern historians would say that it is impossible to determine ethnic boundaries for that period and in any case, this is all completely irrelevant to the modern disputes it is dragged in to (which is the only reason that Albanians and Greeks care, after all...). --Macrakis 16:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Parathrhtes"

...nai, peripou. Exei dyo ba8mides panw apo ton aplo xrhsth: tous "diaxeiristes" (administrators) kai tous "grafeiokrates" (bureaucrats). Oi grafeiokrates einai poly ligoi. Opoios parathrhsei parabiash tou 3RR to kataggelei sto WP:AN3 kai kapoios apo tous admins pou einai online mplokarei ton parabath. Diabase ta links sto welcome message, giati yparxoun kai polla alla pou prepei na 3ereis. Gia oti 8es, rwta me. Niko Silver 19:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prepei PANW apo 3 fores se 24 wres. Mhn trellainesai, oi (opoioi) e8nikistes Albanoi einai to ligotero apo ta problhmata ths WP. Alh8eia, giati den energopoieis to hl.taxydromeio sou? Kaneis den 8a blepei th diey8ynsh, apla 8a mporeis na stelneis kai na lambaneis. Niko Silver 10:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simfono me ton Niko, Elladie. Pigene edo ke vale ena e-mail an thelis (dimiurgise ena kenurio an dihni to pragmatiko su onoma ke de thelis na to dume - oli mas etsi kanume). Kalos orises ke apo mena :) --Ploutarchos 22:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slavic Toponymes of Greece

Help needed in this article(Slavic toponymes in Greece)! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places . Very strange article that doesn’t uses any sources. Please check the talk page, Plese advise and help. Regards (Seleukosa 12:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Pre roman illyria map available

[8] This university offers a map of Pre roman Illyria.It can be used in all illyria subjects.

Kalimera

Gia sas Heladios, ti kanete :) Vlepw oti sou aresei istoria, an thelete mporoume na doulevoume mazi sto articles related to Macedonian history. Ragrds. --Revizionist (talk) 16:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bold text

Please do not put Greek words in boldface. That format is reserved for the pagename, redirects, and occasional collections of defined terms. Greek words need no additional formatting. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought that was the rule, as seen in other pages. Helladios (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can find the general style rules for boldface at MOS:BOLD (where MOS stands for "manual of style"). --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slavic toponyms for Greek places 2

Please have a look and advise in the article Slavic toponyms for Greek places. I have requested it’s deletion and it is up for voting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places#Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places I have detailed reasons of the problems of this article and why I request its deletion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places#Request_for_Deletion If you like advise and participate. Your opinion is welcomed Seleukosa (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

In case you haven't noticed, the article has reappeared. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places. How did you change your name by the way? I'm sick of mine and want to change it too. --Tsourkpk (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where is it up for voting? Because it's not here, since this is archived and it can't be modified. You can change your user name easy in WP:CHU. Just wait till a bureaucrat do it for you. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not up for voting yet, but it has reappeared and it is up for discussion. --Tsourkpk (talk) 22:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you?

Could you contribute with your opinion here? talk chaonians.ThankouMegistias (talk) 10:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dont want to contribute anymore

This is pointless.Wiki is pointless at this point since most of the time is arguing with weird theorists like in pelasgians talk.Megistias (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slavic toponymes of Greek place names3

Additional help and advise needed in this article. It seems that it is becaming more and more extreme. It was deleted once but it has reapeared broken in two more articles. Please advise nad participate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places Seleukosa (talk) 11:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please contribute here

Please contribute here Prehistoric Balkans Megistias (talk) 22:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map

I know ,this one should be used on those articles.[9].I informed the creator of the wrong one but he must be offline.[10]Megistias (talk) 14:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abecedar

Would you stop removing Macedonian language from Abecedar? Every one knows that the Slavic spoken language in Greece is Macedonian.You do not need to make it by force as Slavic. Pu otherwise the both names and we will be both satisfied. If we want to be equal please do that. regards--MacedonianBoy (talk) 10:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know the language was Macedonian (non-Greek). Could you please clarify this before adding it again. --Laveol ^T 11:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to Ethnologue.com, "Slavic" is spoken in Greece by 180,180 (ca. 1986) individuals, mostly in Greek Macedonia, around the Kastoria and Florina prefectures.[11] Also according to Ethnologue, alternative names (for this "Slavic" language spoken in Greece by close to 200,000 people) include "Macedonian Slavic" (possibly geographic), but also simply "Macedonian". Coincidence? You decide. Köbra ⁸⁵ 11:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ευχαριστώ Αδερφέ

Btw μηνυματα μεταξυ χρηστων εδω ανταλλασουμε? =/ εχει αρχισει η προπαγανδα να ακουμπαει τη wikipedia. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Macedonia αυτη ειναι ωραια σελιδα. ελπιζω να μη τη βιασουνε και να παρει και η wikipedia γνωση απο κει... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DefendEurope (talk • contribs) 06:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

χεχε ειδα σου αρεσε πολυ η wikiquote για την Μακεδονία ε? DefendEurope (talk) 14:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ευχαριστω για την επισημανση, αλλα αν θεωρουν το αιμα τους και τη καταγωγη τους προσβολη αυτο ειναι προβλημα τους και συνιστω μαζικη αυτοκτονια. Δεν ειναι δικο μου προβλημα. DefendEurope (talk) 22:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Myrmidons

Can you remove this bulgars madness?[12]Megistias (talk) 09:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, what was that??? Done... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 09:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

contemporary considered nationalist theory = necessary not objective?

hello, i noticed your addition to the article that i deleted, ok, just demostrate me what you re-added. maybe is better in the apposite section "contemporary considered nationalist theory = necessary not objective?" in the pelasgians talk page

thankyou, PelasgicMoon (talk) 20:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A vandal

Removing material and sourced comments.numbered.In example this diff but see his contribs seems sock.Megistias (talk) 09:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please use English on talk pages

Thanks for your efforts with DefendEurope. It's certainly good advice, but it would be better if you would use English when talking to other users. Talk pages (even user talk) are, by design, public forums; for instance, someday an administrator may want to know whether anyone had ever asked him to discuss major changes in controversial articles. Why make them wonder? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 22:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, I will from now and on. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright guys, I will use English too (in important subjects)... ..it's just that I've seen many people using Slavic languages, Germanic languages etc and I thought it was ok to speak Greek with other Greeks.. DefendEurope (talk) 12:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, true... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRtB5B6grnA <true, true..

..so.. CatOwl, do you have any external site i can contact you faster? i have myspace and youtube etc.. DefendEurope (talk) 12:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't have a site or anything like that. But I'll try to contact you on yours when ever I get some spare time... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok, τα λεμε..DefendEurope (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PGG

I saw your edit in genocides list. The topic is also discussed in the pontic greek genocide talk page.Xenovatis (talk) 12:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Illyria

The article is not in albanian language or origin of albanians.Its Illyria and the addition is completely irrelevant.Megistias (talk) 12:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... you got a point. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 12:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He did it again this time on Illyrians diff article and doesnt seem deterred as he doestn seem to understand.Megistias (talk) 13:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Pls, don't start again..." ?????

this is your rebounding to the argument, you should speak in the talk page about your deletions in the article

Respectfully

PelasgicMoon (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I already have! :) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 19:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and not just if i contact the editor review ;)

PelasgicMoon (talk) 19:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I got your point, what do you precisely mean? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for arbitration, notification

I opened a request for arbitration, you're involved in the dispute.

the link is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#.7BCensorship.3F_request_for_arbitration.7D

PelasgicMoon (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you tried... ;) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Greece

Yeia sou Gali

I saw your edits in that article and I would like to ask if you are interested in helping out with shaping it up. It is currently substantard for such an important article and the prose and citations are both lacking.It can be improved by alot and should be a FA considering the subject. Drop me a message at my talk if you're interested. Errosthe.Xenovatis (talk) 00:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eucharisto for your ascent and your quick reply. Gali is cat in ancient like glauka is owl! I meant the Ancient Greece article which we should be the first to work on and get into GA status as it is probably the most visited and widely read. I have already left some comments in the talk page and would like to hear your thoughts. Then I was thinking we could start from the lead and rework all sections one by one, adding references and tidying up the prose. ALOT of references are needed to get to GA and FA status, about one per sentence really! so that would be alot of work. I really need the help , especially with Google Book or Google Scholar. Tell me what you think at the article's talk page. Errosthe.Xenovatis (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Γαλή!! Of course... One must be careful with Greeklish these days!...:) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 05:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Republic"

Can someone see to his insults?diff racist Megistias (talk) 09:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing

Please remove this completely its already discussed in the article and properly.This is weasel pov diff.And look at his contribs.Megistias (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Britannica mentions that they are "most likely descended from the Illyrians".Xenovatis (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The edits he made say something else and taking account the whole article were simply inappropriate.Megistias (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Megistias on this one because the theory of Illyrian descent is very thoroughly discussed in the article. To repeat it again and again and especially insterting in the intro is POV-pushing by repetition. His edits were also of real low quality, and this is a very well-written and referenced article. --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its was readded diff,diffand ignored what was discussed on the talk page and plainly the fact that the article has an Illyrian origin section and the edit is pov and wants to preplace the origin in Illyrians which upon reading the article and the specialised references this origin seems even more impropable.Megistias (talk) 08:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander

Do not add such childish comments - "pls behave". If you have to say something then keep it academic and real.Karabinier (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karabinier, its been explained to you, consensus and sources.Your "political" supposed argument is irrelevant.Megistias (talk) 13:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Megistias answered you for me... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement

Please see here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#User:Karabinier Thanks.Xenovatis (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Γεια χαρά

Hey there, love your work. You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:Macedonian alphabet#Lead. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and sorry for the delayed reply, I'm a bit busy lately. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Καλέ κάνε δουλειά σου. Συγγνώμη κιόλας για την ενόχληση. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 20:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander the Great

YesTourskin (talk) 17:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Urdu,pakistan,burushu

This user has been adding fringe theories(and quite funny) on a number of articles.diff.Removal and a talk with him...please.Megistias (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other removals diff,diff of referenced material.Megistias (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

greetings

Hello, marry easter for my dear greek orthodox friend. PelasgicMoon (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, thank you very much, very nice of you. :) However I am not a christian or any other religion really... You see I prefer to think than to believe! ;) Anyway, thanks again, a nice easter to you too! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the same for me, i don't believe. Aniway thanks for greetings. PelasgicMoon (talk) 19:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About your message

Kala, den ehw provlima me auto pou les. Alla, edo, vlepo pou grafeis mono ellinika. Esis otan grafete mono ellinika, giati egw prepi na grafo makedonika kai agglika? Gia sas. --Revizionist (talk) 22:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you take a better look, you will see that after this kind request I never used Greek. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kala, entaksi. All right, good. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 09:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hmmm

I do use english most of the times and I would advice you to do the same.Thank you.--Taulant23 (talk) 10:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, I never advice anyone for something I first don't apply to myself. Cheers! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another one

Here's another quote for your wonderful Userpage:

A recent proponent of this school was Professor Olivier Masson, who in his article on the ancient Macedonian language in the third edition of the Oxford Classical Dictionary tentatively suggested that Macedonian was related to North-Western Greek dialects:^[1]

“

In our view the Greek character of most names is obvious and it is difficult to think of a Hellenization due to wholesale borrowing [...]The small minority of names which do not look Greek [...] may be due to a substratum or adstratum influences (as elsewhere in Greece).Macedonian may then be seen as a Greek dialect, characterized by its marginal position and by local pronunciations. Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it an Aeolic dialect [...] we must by now think of a link with North-West Greek [...] We must wait for new discoveries, but we may tentatively conclude that Macedonian is a dialect related to North-West Greek.

”

That's a real solid one. --Tsourkpk (talk) 23:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, actually all of it is here, I'll add it also in my user page. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 23:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you have time, please have a look here

Can you have a look at the following discussion about the article History of democracy, any comment is much appreciated!

discussion topics:

Thank you in advance! A.Cython (talk) 11:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your Edit of the History Page

I made some edits of further reading in the main page on History, and somehow someone managed to vandalise the opening sentence of the piece, and it looks like it was me (which is most certainly wasn't!). Thank you for reverting the page back to its previous version; I have now amended it to include my intended edits although I remain rather worried that some idiot was able to insert some juvenile comments into the piece and yet it is recorded in the edits log as something to do with me! Thanks again, Russ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Russeltarr (talk • contribs) 16:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, you may then include your edits now. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sorry dude. i really can't get involved right now. especially in "articles" like that. let them have it. but they will have to move some of their "stuff" in this article and clean the other 3 that have already covered the issue...

and still. it's not a big deal. the 4000 Slavmacedonians (i mean look at the rainbow party) in Greece do not prove one point CuteHappyBrute (talk) 19:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No probs, I know what you mean. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 20:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please use English

Hello. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. P m kocovski (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, when did you noticed me using other language than Greek after this kind request, more than 2 months ago?? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bastardization

According to corruption (linguistics): "Text bastardization is: Unauthorized alteration and publication of a text inconsistent with the original purpose or the author's intention." I don't think that quite fits the intended meaning in the Kastoria article. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but it also means: "To modify especially by introducing discordant or disparate elements". It depends on the sentence, of course. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing "discordant or disparate". The correct term is neither "bastardization" nor "corruption", but simply loan. "Corruption" is used more with changes within one language. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your tireless work

reverting stupid vandalisms in Greek mythology articles is noted with gratitude by at least one editor. Thank you. --Wetman (talk) 19:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'm back to continue. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 05:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macedon

Rikse mia matia se parakalw sto Talk:Macedon#Macedon's Territory opote exeis xrono. Aytos o typos konteyei na me trelanei. --Tsourkpk (talk) 00:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like for you to look at the article NOF

Hello, I seek the truth in history and hate one-sided POV in any writings. I would like for you to look at my objections on the talk page of the article titled NOF. I think that the creator of this article, someone named Revizionist, has created a very biased and untrue work. Can you help to change this? I have sent a message to Kekrops as well.AgiosD (talk) 02:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander the Great (disambiguation)

Hello fellow editor! Please do not add non-topic links to disambiguation pages such as Alexander the Great (disambiguation). Such edits go against the Manual of Style for disambiguation pages. Please see the relevant section in the MOSDAB. Thank you. --ž¥łǿχ (ŧäłķ | čøŋŧřīъ§) 15:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, fine with me! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reported for 3RR

I've reported you for breaking 3RR on the Lesenitsa article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Truth is I didn't noticed. Anyway, np, rules are rules. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 14:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Block notice

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 6 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule at Leshnica e Poshtme. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Stifle (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement warning

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 10:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh oh!

Sorry about that removal. I actually copied the ref with the sources to notepad but forgot to reinsert it. It ruined the numbering (at least on my end) of the other sources so I was about to change it around and see if it works. Seems like it works now! I do dispute the "most scholars" part, though. I'm sure we could find similar numbers of opinions for every proposed "grouping". 3rdAlcove (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It will actually be very interesting to add opinions of scholars who dispute the "Greekness" of Macedonians. Why don't you do it? Unfortunately I can't come up with many, definitely not trustworthy ones. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 03:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problemo

OK! No harm done!

GK1973 (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia

Please note that Wikipedia's naming of the Republic of Macedonia is governed by WP:MOSMAC. We do not generally use "former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" or "FYROM" except in certain very limited circumstances, as described in the guidelines. If you continue to edit-war over the name, you may be blocked for disruption. -- ChrisO (talk) 10:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the notice. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cat... I would point out that on the page he references says specifically....

The following is a proposed Wikipedia policy, guideline, or process. The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption. Thus references or links to this page should not describe it as "policy.

I would get back to Chris and correct him... then continue to use FYROM (and make note to Wikipeida editor board that ChrisO threatened to block you for it... an abuse of his admin power as he should know better). Furthermore... FYROM is one of two recognized names for that country. I would argue anyone that argues its a "disruption" in doing so is breaking Wikipedia NPOV guidelines by taking a stand on the naming dispute.

I would also note ChrisO has at least on one occasion done mass edits on Macedonian Naming dispute article removing a large number of facts (added over several days) that supported the Greek POV while not touching any of the FYROM ones. (including a section relating to a US Senate Resolution condemning FYROM of propaganda.. which someone else has now added in again).

I made a request to justify their removal on his user page....and he didn't bother to return my query. I'm not accusing him of anything... but after two incidents warning bells are going off in my head that he may not be following Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines. 209.161.233.155 (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

anti-Greek collusion occuring?

I am new to Wikipedia. I've only been here a few days and I already get a strong sense of anti-Macedonian bias. (for the record when I say Macedonian... I'm talking about the ones that identify with Greece)

I've already been threatened with banning and named called on more than one occasion for simply discussing facts on Macedonia. At this point I am loathe to name more names but it always appears to be the same set of people working together as a team. (I'm sure you know who some of them are)

Anyhow... I have an interesting image that I think this is very relevant to the naming dispute article but I don't know how to upload it. Perhaps you could arrange it? (they should be allowable under fair use) I think the second one down "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again"... perfectly illustrates Greek claims of FYROM irredentist behavior and would be an excellent example to add to the naming dispute page.

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/category/fyrom-news/

A secondary issue that bothers me is the Wikipedia page entitled "ethnic Macedonians" related to FYROM (as if to say that Macedonians are now non-ethnic.) This of course is really offensive to Macedonians but the FYROM page is locked. I think the best approach around this lockout dismissing the human rights of 2.5 million ethnic Macedonians... it to make a new page called ethnic Macedonians (Greek)... which describes the rich history of the Macedonian identity... from ancient Macedon... to Byzantium... to integration with the new Greek state.... to distinct Pan=Macedonian foreign diasporas dating back decades. Many people only know Macedonians from Alexanders time... I think a page showing the long history of Greek speaking people calling themselves Macedonians would make it much clearer to readers why Macedonians are so sensitive to this name issue.

'Talk' to you soon hopefully --Crossthets (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome. :) That will be nice, unfortunately I've never involved in images uploading, so I can't help you with that. However have a look at WP:Images and Help:Images and other uploaded files, you'll find everything there. Also do ask User:Avg or User:Kékrōps, they are older than me here, perhaps they could help. As for the "ethnic" part, Macedonians (Greek) officially don't self identify as that -at least not in the meaning of "ethnic"- but as "ethnic Greeks". It will be a good idea to start a page on Macedonians, why don't you start it? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 07:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding their use of "ethnic"... what FYROM is trying to do is reduce the Macedonian status by any and every means at their disposal. By using generic qualifiers like "native", "ethnic", "real", etc... the former Yugoslavians are effectively trying to say that Macedonians are not "real" Macedonians and they are occupiers on their own lands ("oppressing" their (slavo)"Macedonian" identity... yet somehow they are not oppressing the Macedonians?)

Think a little ahead here. If FYROM gets into the EU (eventually a compromise will be reached but I doubt it will be authentic on their part given their irredentist behavior so far)... then they gain the right to live and work in Greece. I promise you the first thing they are going to do is start exporting "ethnic Macedonians" into Macedonia (and cry "human rights" violation if Macedonian Greeks don't allow a legal invasion and annexation of their territory). It is very improbably people will remember the arguments of today (or care)... given the people today seem to have forgotten...

A. Who Greeks are.

B. that FYROM has also called themselves Yugoslavians and Bulgarians in the last 100 years

All they will see is "Ethnic Macedonians"... in Macedonia... wanting to become part of Republic of "Macedonia". Where is the problem right? FYROM is already teaching their kids this is the case in public schools contrary to official US and UN resolutions to abstain from propaganda. It follows that those same kids are going to grow up and act out.

And after they take Macedonia... the former Yugoslavians will later claim they are "ethnic Athenians"... and it was a long time ago... and the invasion cycle will continue until their are no Greeks left. (Greeks are "racist" for resisting the oppression of their ancient culture.. while FYROM are being oppressed for not being allowed to expand their gigantic slavaphone culture into Greece's tiny tiny territory?)

OXI!

The "legal" invasion stops here and now my friend. The only "ethnic" Macedonian group in my eyes belongs to Macedonians in Greece. The word "ethnic" itself comes from Greek and I am not going to be told by people living on formerly Greek lands (intent on further invasions), that I am not Greek using Greek words.

btw - I think that the assertion that there is some bigotry involved against Greeks is valid. Because of the large written historical record (and rich history)... Greeks can trace back their cultural roots thousands of years. Not every self-identifying group can do this so some are prone to saying "it was a long time ago.. who cares". However, I hardly think Americans would tolerate northern Mexicans saying Washington was Mexican because "it was a long time ago". Nor would the Chinese tolerate someone arguing their ancestors weren't Chinese. Nor would Jewish people tolerate someone arguing Moses wasn't Jewish.

Why are Greeks expected to feel any differently... especially given the massive historical records? The answer is because it is a insignificant nation today, which means it can be bullied and racism can be openly be directed at it. (since only "other" minorities are ever the victims of it). Based on the inconstancy of their arguments though I know exactly what they are thinking....

Obviously 'these' Greeks can't possibly be related to 'those' Greeks.

... but of course their own ancestors are related to them. 209.161.226.187 (talk) 16:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

request for help =

request for help

Hi again Cat,

as previously I have noticed a strong anti-Greek bias on several articles related to Macedonia. I've had issues with both Furper and Beam... who seem to be admins that heavily favour FYROM. I've officially complained on the notice board about their threats to block, edit behavior and unusually close relationships with obvious FYROM POV members of Wikipedia. (specifically Balkanfever)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#This_anon_.28apparently_User:Crossthets.29.2C_is_an_apparent_POV_Pusher.2C_evidence_below

As I said verbatim on Politis talk_page...

This is a difficult battle because so far I am alone at the moment, I am a newbie, and as I said to one of the admins on notice board... I feel like someone reporting a bad cop at a policeman's ball. However, I still plan to follow up soon with a precise listing of what I perceive as non-NPOV behavior by these admins. I noticed while researching this issue you've also have problems with them. Would it be possible to list any problems on your talk page here so I can add them to my report to show I am not alone? Furthermore... since you have been around longer you probably know more Greeks than me around here. Would it be possible to also contact them to ask them if they've also had problems with those two... and (if so) add those incidents to your list? (and perhaps get them to contact others?)

Where one person could be bullied with threats of blocking... the concerns of many will be taken much more seriously. I will check back here in a couple of days. Have courage. Regards 209.161.238.86 (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

btw- I make notice of a map of balkanfevers page showing Greece largely occupied by "Greater Macedonia". Under normal circumstances I would accept the argument that is just an example of various Balkan states dreams of empire (it also shows Greece overlapping FYROM). However, because of a combination of several factors I've fought the issue (along with the perceived admin bias)

1. Balkanfver has had a clear anti-Greek agenda for a long time.

2. US/UN resolutions that make it very plain... Greeks don't maps showing their country controlled by FYROM remote funny. I really don't care what the reasons are for drawing them. (something that certain admins are having problems grasping)

3. The creator of the map (something I doubt even Balkanfever knows)... is from FYROM. (I researched it but didn't mention it to anyone yet)

I don't fricken want to see any more maps coming out of FYROM sources showing Greece occupied. (If some neutral third party unrelated to FYROM does it... that's another matter.) I don't care the reasons and justifications. FYROM pushing this garbage is against US/UN resolutions and borders on an act of war. I feel Wikipedia editors need to understand how strongly Greeks feel about this "map" issue. 209.161.238.86 (talk) 07:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand you completely. Unfortunately political correctness some (if not most) of the times opposites historical accuracy. Sadly my English are not good enough (self-taught) to contribute in a more advanced level... :( And Beam is not an admin. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 07:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - ANI report concerning your userbox

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Blocked

24 hours for those three sterile, lame reverts at Macedonia with virtually no talkpage participation. Moreschi (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What? When did I break WP:3RR rule??The Cat and the Owl (talk) 21:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Macedonian (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I did not break WP:3RR

Decline reason:

You do not need to violate 3RR to edit war, which is exactly what you were doing. — Tiptoety ^talk 22:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Disaster

Hello, Macedonian. You have new messages at Xdenizen's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thanks much!

I meant to get around to [13], but never got there. BTW, you didn't add -| (smooth breating, which while less prevalennt, did exist). Since you wrote that part please add it if you get a chance.
Also, as you're a native Greek speaker, any chance you could go through the page and verify everything? My eyesight's a bit poor, and I'm never sure I've done the circumflexes accurately. Jim62sch^dissera! 20:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Epirus

Could you please stop reordering the languages in the lead? According to WP:NCGN names that are in the languages official of the region are first and archaich ones later. Epirus lies in Greece and Albania, so both languages are official, so in alphabetical order, Albanian is first.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POINT disruption

You can't be serious. This edit is pure disruption, WP:POINT. You can't have believed for a moment that these additions would be acceptable. Please stop this unconstructive tactical behaviour. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, I was hopping that someone would noticed it and removed such terms, including "Aegean Macedonia"! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 07:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which means you have been engaging in blockable disruptive behaviour. Please tell me you are not going to try those tricks again. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, as long as there is not "δύο μέτρα και δύο σταθμά" there, you know what I mean... (Sorry, my English aren't so good, btw how can you translated that phrase in English?) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's double standards in English. But the point about avoiding disruptive behaviour is that you are supposed to avoid it independently of what the "other side" does, so your "...as long as..." doesn't work. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look Fut.Perf., there were 9 edits in 4 hours between term "Aegean Macedonia" and my "Slavomacedonia" without someone bothered to remove such irredentist term. My point was exactly to prove how ugly and unhelpful irredentist terms are, that's all. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I am working on it,u can help me,no it does not mean they wore Illyrians but wore very important tribe.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with me, but you need to clarify that. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thales

Actually, that was not vandalism. Please see the talk page (and my edit note) - I removed material which was more in the nature of gossip about Thales than actual verifiable biographical information Thanks,.173.23.253.184 (talk) 15:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

:)

If you need any help with english or anything, just give me a bell. :D--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 17:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, that's an offer I will definitely accept! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 09:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

to be defined

May be of use to the Macedonia name dispute article.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6201/2/ http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-000300arym-5-2-2009.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.241.159 (talk) 16:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

trope

Hello. If you will, please read this and consider reverting yourself in all the corresponding articles. --Omnipaedista (talk) 18:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By the way.. your username refers to the adorable myth of The Owl and the Pussy-cat, right? --Omnipaedista (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC) (Partially... ;) )The Cat and the Owl (talk) 21:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's from τρέπω... :) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your attention needed at WP:CHU

Hello. A bureaucrat or clerk has responded to your username change request, but requires clarification before moving forward. Please follow up as soon as possible. Thank you. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've seen that. However this userpage has been deleted by an admin since February 2007 and the user's last contribution was at 2005, so I was hoping since he must be inactive the username is available ... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 22:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to file a usurp request, then. Head on over to WP:CHUU for that. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll give it a try. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 23:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greek genocide

Dont revert again please. I am taking this to WP:3RR.--Anothroskon (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I've already warned the user. The Cat and the Owl (talk)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:85.107.38.237_reported_by_User:Anothroskon_.28Result:_.29

--Anothroskon (talk) 19:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Polyphonic song of Epirus

I saw you are one of the main contributors to this article, and was wondering if you would be interested in participating in this [14] discussion. Athenean (talk) 00:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will, as soon as I have some sleep! :) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great job finding that source, by the way, I'd been looking myself for several days but without luck. Athenean (talk) 07:13, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, at least I can do something with my library rather than showing-off to my friends!... :) I will do your previous recommendation soon or later. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 07:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

I mentioned your name in a proposal I made at WP:AE, in the thread about Kedadi [15]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And another thing: This edit pretended to be adding references to a specific claim, namely that in the opinion of some musicologists, Epirotan harmony goes back to the Dorian mode of ancient Greek music. I have reasons to believe that the footnotes you added were merely the result of a quick google books search, which picked out some random combinations of the search terms "Greek, pentatonic, Dorian, Harmony", with two of the three alleged references being displayed without even minimal context in the google results. Can you please explain whether you actually read those sources, and if not, what made you believe they supported the claim in the text? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in the article's talk page, the sources are stating exactly that the pentatonic scale is identified with a form of the Dorian Greek music, so yes, they do confirm the statement on the sentence. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 18:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but that sounds very naĭve. What you need to source is not just that ancient Doric was pentatonic; what you need to source is the proposition that the modern pentatonic music of Epirus is historically descended from the ancient Dorian music. (Okay, the article wasn't explicitly claiming that, perhaps, hiding it under the vague expression of "is identified" – but then, what else could be meant by that sentence if not historical descent, if the claim is to be in any way relevant to the article?) Anyway, if you didn't mean to source the historical connection, then the sentence is still unsourced, and I'm going to remove it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the sources confirm the statement on the sentence. Moreover, the sentence begins with "According to some...", no need to explain. Unfortunately it seems that this sentence turned to be a major political issue! Anyway... To conclude, do what is best for the article. O tempora, o mores! (talk) 22:37, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can repeat your claim that it "confirms the statement" until you are black in the face; it won't help you as long as you don't respond to arguments other people raise. So, let me ask once more: In the sentence you quote as "That can be no other than the national", what does the "that" refer to? By whom is the journal article, and what is it about? And what exactly is said about Epirotan music in the article by M. Maas? Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I checked. None of the two journal articles says anything even remotely relevant to the topic. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources given said about pentatonism as a form of the Dorian mode and that's what the sentence citation tag was all about, therefore I provided them. The article by M. Maas doesn't say something about Epirotan music but about pentatonism and polyphony in ancient Greek music. I red it once in an article at jstor when I had access through Aristotle University of Thessaloniki. For once more, let be what is best for the article. Τί εὔκολον; Τὸ ἄλλῳ ὑποτίθεσθαι. (talk) 10:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong on all counts. Neither was the sentence merely about "pentatonism as a form of the Dorian mode" (it was about this particular form of pentatonism, the modern Epirotan one, being related to the Dorian mode of the ancients); nor does either of the two articles even say that Dorian was indeed pentatonic (the Clements article merely states that one particular piece of attested Dorian music is pentatonic in its beginning; the Maas article mentions pentatonism only twice in a footnote, in passing); nor, of course, does Maas say anything about "polyphony" in ancient music (duh, what a suggestion – if you think it did, you didn't understand a word of it.). Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence was: "According to some musicologists, this scale (a pentatonic scale without semitones) is identified with the Doric way of the ancient Greek Dorians, the par excellence Hellenic harmony." Obviously -I want to believe, in good faith, trying to be a good admin and so to keep a balance between opposite POVs and maintain Wikipedia's neutrality- you didn't understand a word of it. Let it be... For the history, here are a few more sources on Dorian pentatonic scale, or generally on ancient Greek pentatonism: M. L. West, "Ancient Greek Music", Clarendon Press, 1994. Barker Andrew, "Greek Musical Writings: Harmonic and Acoustic Theory v. 2", Cambridge University Press, 2004. Vladimir Barsky, "Chromaticism", Routledge, 1996. A.-F. Christidis , "A History of Ancient Greek: From the Beginnings to Late Antiquity", p. 1432, Cambridge University Press, Rev. & Expanded Translation of the Greek Text edition, 2007 Τί εὔκολον; Τὸ ἄλλῳ ὑποτίθεσθαι. (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and none of these even claims that Dorian was pentatonic. Newsflash: it wasn't. Dorian is defined as the mode built upon the division of the fourth into two tones and a semitone at the bottom (e-f-g-a). In those instances where an archaic form of Dorian shows a pentatonic structure, it still has that semitone: the characteristic sequence is e-f-a, minor second + major third. In contrast, the modern Epirotic songs I've seen all appear to follow the (much more common, worldwide) system of pentatonism that avoids the semitone, so you get e-g-a, minor third + major second. Anyway, I hope you had fun searching for more evidence of "polyphony" in ancient Greece too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I guess you choose to you see what you want to see... :) Only the extremely ignorant or the extremely intelligent can resist change. (talk) 13:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Further to this arbitration enforcement request and by the power vested in me under Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Discretionary_sanctions, you are hereby placed on a reverting restriction on all Balkans-related articles in the following terms:

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This restriction applies until the end of June. You may appeal the restriction to me, to WP:ANI, or to the Arbitration Committee. Stifle (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to inform you that according to the latest restriction, you need to post an explanation in the article's talk page (in Molossians). It seems that this situation provoked a major spa concert, but have to follow this rules.Alexikoua (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I said at Stifle's talk page, this edit happened only because I did it mechanically, therefore fast, so I forgot it could be an actual Balkan-related article in a sense that we all understand. Nevertheless it was a correct revert, since the anonymous user simply vandalized the article by changing the word "Greek" with the word "Illyrian", contrary to the sources!!! Of course, some how Sulmues didn't notice that vandalism by the anonymous user... Now why could that be, I wonder... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Albanian and Greek wikipedians cooperation board

You are invited to participate in this board, which I just created. Please feel free to bring there your concerns. Cheers! --_Sulmues^{Let's talk} 01:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, in the spirit of "cooperation", User:Sulmues ratted you out to the admins [16] and is desperately trying to get you blocked. I suggest you withdraw your name from his "cooperation board" in protest, which is just a stunt designed to make himself look good anyway. Athenean (talk) 03:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, nice "cooperation" al right!... Ξένος ὢν ἀκολούθει τοῖς ἐπιχωρίοις νόμοις. (talk) 03:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ayto to ypoulo an8ropaki mallon koitakse ta contribs ta dika mou h tou Alexikoua, kai afou eide ti sou grapsame, etrexe san strabo na se karfwsei. Gi'ayto xreiazetai to hlektroniko taxydromeio. Ama to eixes energopoihmeno, den 8a eperne xampari tipota. Athenean (talk) 04:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Macedonian. You have new messages at Stifle's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

You know what? I'm not going to bring you to ANI because I don't want to use these tools. You know also what? I want to apologize to you because my request was hasty and probably too fiscal. I just wanted fairness, but I guess I went too far. Judging from those diffs there is no major contribution that you might have reverted, so I'm going to leave it at that and please accept my apology. Regards! --_Sulmues^{Let's talk} 12:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You seem honest, apology accepted. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 14:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks...

...for your contribution to the article dog!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisrus (talk • contribs)

Very kind of you, thank you. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crab

Thanks for your improvements to the etymology in the article crab. I have to disagree, however, with your addition of a photo of a Greek vase. There is no mention in the article of the importance of crabs to the Greeks, and the image does not illustrate even that topic particularly well. It's a very good illustration of a calyx-krater, but a poor illustration of cultural influences of crabs. The crab in question, which is very small in the picture, is merely a decoration on a person's shield (and appears to be carrying a pair of sticks). If an illustration were needed for that section – and the article is already image rich – then it would be better to add a picture of the constellation Cancer or, at a pinch, restore the Moche vessel that used to be there. The constellation is certainly the most widely recognised crab iconography. The krater, on the other hand, is merely a vessel that happens to carry a depiction of a depiction of a crab for no reason that we know. --Stemonitis (talk) 21:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with you. However, if I'm not mistaken, images on ancient Greek shields signified the tribe that the hoplite belonged to. Would that be a good info to add in that section, if and when I come up with reliable sources, that is? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 21:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find something reliable, therefore I'm removing the image. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, that whole section is a bit of a nightmare. The only parts which are referenced are the (to my mind unimportant) Moche statements. I'd like to find a good source which states that crabs have been significant in human culture, because at the moment all we've got is a series of disconnected examples and an (entirely unsourced) assertion that crabs are somehow significant to human culture. The only aspect I can find sources for at the moment is Greek mythology, but to reduce the section to that would be to give that one people undue weight. At the moment, I'm very tempted to reduce the whole messy section to a "See also" list. --Stemonitis (talk) 05:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm.. you have a point. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 06:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice

[17] Anthony (talk) 23:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! A Macedonian (talk) 23:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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EtymologiesNice work on those etymology sections you've been adding to various articles. Just a nitpicking note about a bit of wording: "Coined in English in ..." in the case of loanwords in Middle or Early Modern English, doesn't usually work well. Coining only refers to deliberate neologisms, and should only be used if we know exactly if and when a word was created that way. In other cases, "first attested" often works well. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]You are right, I will take care of that. Thank you. A Macedonian (talk) 11:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]please start a page for me!Gertrude Friedberg. Thank you. -humble IP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.129.194 (talk) 04:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]LissosAbout this edit: are you sure the etymology of the Homeric adjective is also the etymology of the placename? The dictionary doesn't seem to mention the place, and mere homophony between a name and a common adjective of course doesn't prove etymological relation. Why would 4th cent. BC settlers have named a city after an exotic adjective that nobody since Homer had used (and which, in current usage, meant "insolvent", if anything? Go figure: you found a colony and call it "Failtown".) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:05, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]I 'm not expressing an opinion on the validity of the etymology, but as an interesting aside I would add that almost all placenames and nouns ending in -ssos (or -ssa for that matter) are considered of prehellenic origin (cf. Ιλισσός, Κνωσσός, κυπάρισσος, θάλασσα etc.). I should add though that I can think of no such example attested that far north. If you happen to find anything more about it, I would be most interested. --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 10:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] @FP: My fault, even if this is not just a case of homophony but of homography as well, it supposed to be "perhaps from..." since a connection between the two hasn't been confirmed. I will edit it accordingly. @Giorgos Tzimas: Correct. In addition, Lissos was also the name for a city in Crete, a river in Sicily and a river in Thrace. A Macedonian (talk) 11:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]ParanoiaFor the etymology of paranoia I used the format used in Wiktionary for etymologies. What's the format used here? Is it not the same? Eipnvn (talk) 06:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]I don't know how it is in Wiktionary but here it seems that the trans. of the Greek etymon is placed in brackets while the meaning is not, at least in proper etymology sections, see for instance [18], [19], [20], [21] and so on. A Macedonian (talk) 08:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]The sarcophagus of Agia TriadaSakellarakis says that a man (third from the left) with long robe is holding the lyre and he is correct.In Minoan frescoes the women were painted in white and the men in red colour (Philistines:The red men).The only exception is the Lilly Prince ,but we don't know the original frescoe.I added see also:Agia Triada,because most foreign readers don't know the place and I added some details for the sarcophagus in the relevant article.94.65.195.112 (talk) 10:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]Thanks for the corrections. A Macedonian (talk) 12:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]Macedonia/Macedonian - confusingHi. In response to this revert - I find the distinction between the "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" disambiguation pages very unclear. Given your username, I guess that you're an expert on this, so: what's the difference, and could you explain this at the top of the Macedonia disambig page in a line or two? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]Hello there. This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title. Another disambiguation page Macedonian already exists, and Macedonian language is already there. A Macedonian (talk) 11:25, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] OK, understood. But why are there two disambig pages - couldn't Macedonian be merged into Macedonia? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] It's the Wikipedia:Disambiguation policy. A Macedonian (talk) 22:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] Um ... sorry, but there is no disambiguation policy. There is a _guideline_, but that's not a policy. I also can't see where abouts in that guideline it covers this sort of issue - could you be more specific? Do you know of a logical reason why these two disambig pages should be separate? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] I guess because "Macedonia" is different to "Macedonian"... why don't you ask an admin about it? A Macedonian (talk) 22:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] OK, I had a chat with myself ( ;-) ), and decided that adding a disambig line to the disambig page might be a better approach (although it's a bit circular). I've added this to the pages. It would be great if this could be clarified further, though. As a general comment, referring to policies that don't exist/are only guidelines, or referring things to admins (who are just regular editors with a few extra buttons) generally isn't helpful. If you don't want to answer a question, then just say so... :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] No, don't take it wrong, it's not that I don't want to answer, is that I simply don't know how exactly things works with disamb. pages, so I suggested you to advice an admin, that's all. Cheers! A Macedonian (talk) 22:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]Dodona panoramaYou're welcome! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onno Zweers (talk • contribs) 23:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]Palaeolexicon linksHello. I saw your comment about the Palaeolexicon links pretty late I think. From what I see, the symbols of Linear B are now rendering correctly so it would be good to link directly with the share button. Kind Regards Fkitselis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]Thanks, I will do that from now on. A Macedonian (talk) 08:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]ArgentumPlease see Talk:Latin#etymology_of_.22argentum.22. Do you have any source for your edit? --Espoo (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]Yes, it's from "Λεξικόν Λατινοελληνικόν" (Latin-Greek Dictionary), by Stefanos Koumanoudis, ISBN: 960-333-029-9, p. 65, from ἀργέντος, gen. of ἀργήεις. In addition Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short, A Latin Dictionary also gives ἀργήεις, while Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon mentions another gen. form, -ᾶντος instead of -έντος. A Macedonian (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]RollbackI have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. Polargeo (talk) 11:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC) Please remember it is good practice to leave a polite note on the talkpage of the user when reverting vandalism. Templates for standard messages can be found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. Unless the vandalism is of a very obvious and very poor nature a level 1 template should be used first which starts with assuming good faith. Polargeo (talk) 11:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]Thanks, I will use rollback wisely. A Macedonian (talk) 20:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]Your attention needed at WP:CHUHello. A bureaucrat or clerk has responded to your username change request, but requires clarification before moving forward. Please follow up at your username change request entry as soon as possible. Thank you. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]I answered there, thanks. A Macedonian (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]Regarding addition of alternative name in other languagesHello, I had added alternative name to Coriander in Marathi language. However, changes have been undone. Many times while browsing Wikipedia for getting more information on spices used in Indian cuisine; I have found that, equivalent Marathi names are missing for almost all spices/herbs. Hence, I am trying from my side to add these alternative names to concerned entries on Wikipedia. I would like to know why changes have been undone ? If I have made any mistake in last edit, kindly let me know so that I can avoid it. Did I missed the writing style ? or Did I put it in wrong place ? Do give feedback. Thanks. Omkarck (talk) 13:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]Hi there. You tried to add an alternative name on the article's title which is not a common name by which its subject is widely known. Please see here for more. A Macedonian (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] Hi, I have gone through that article. The name under consideration (कोथिंबीर) is the common name for Coriander used by almost 90 million speakers of Marathi throughout state of Maharashtra in India. Therefore, I think it will informative reference for all Marathi speaking population and speacially their kids. Many of them face the problems while finiding equivalent english names for common spices and herbs and many foreiners face the same problem while shopping in local markets. Will it be more appropriate to add it in a seperate paragraph like "Coriander is also known by कोथिंबीर, in Marathi" or will it appropriate to add Redirect page ? OR any other way to add this information to Coriander article ? Once the proper methodology is fixed, I can add similar information for other spices. You can also see these articles Cinnamon, Ginger(see sec. 3.1.1) and best example is Asafoetida. Kindly have a look and suggest something. Thanks for reply. Omkarck (talk) 04:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]I moved Coriander's etymology to an actual etymology section. I think it will be interesting if you could add the Marathi name there, together with name of the plant in other languages if you could, similar to Cinammon. Regards! A Macedonian (talk) 08:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]October 2010This is the only warning you will receive regarding your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Konitsa, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Please read decision here and revert yourself, otherwise I'll report you to WP:AN Sulmues ^(talk) 22:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]^ Cite error: The named reference OxfordCD1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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