Talk:Pope Francis

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There is a quite lengthy article on no: about Bergoglio that can be translated, instead of mendeling with the copyright article. no:Jorge Beroglio Profoss 22:42, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have never posted on Wikipedia before and have no real plans to post later.. but i think the sentence "He is another homophobic bastard indeed." should probably be removed. It is in the "Early" section FYI.

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I expect lots of edit warring here, so this is a request to editors to take issues to the talk page before making controversial edits to the article. Andrew³²⁷ 19:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Regnal Name

Just to nip the inevitable edit war in the bud, why is it "Francis" and not "Francisco"? Localized name thing? Matteric (talk) 19:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• NPR is calling him "Franciscus" so does that localize to "Francis" ala St Francis of Assisi (USA) or "Francisco" ala San Francisco (Espanol)?
  • Wouldn't it be "Franciscus", then? Not Francis or Francisco. 101090ABC (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Francis the First

Where's the ordinal? First Non-European Pope in History on March 3, 2013

None needed. There is no second.Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It was notable that John Paul I chose to be use the ordinal and was the first to Pope to be "XXX the First". Clearly Francis I is following in this tradition. Move. jameslucas (" " / +) 19:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's notable that he is the only Pope Francis, and he will probably be the only Pope Francis for years into the future, and the article can be moved if a future pope becomes the second. His official Vatican title is "Pope Francis". Andrew³²⁷ 19:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is only 1. It can be updated if/when a Francis II is named. Dmarquard (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Pius?

Here it says Pius XIII.

It's Francis I – A New Pope

Pope Francis → Pope Francis I – Sources are giving his name as Francis I. I would have done a simple move but that page redirects here so I can't. Smartyllama (talk) 19:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Is there proof that the 'Francis' refers to Francis of Assisi, not Francis de Sales? Both are saints - de Sales was a bishop and is a Doctor of the Church. I was unable to hear the official announcement of the regal name, but it would be good to confirm this association, rather than assume it.

• Opposedfor below reason. No ordinal until there's a second Pope Francis.
• Opposed Until/unless there's a source stating that he's called himself "Francis I" as opposed to just Francis. EWTN and MSNBC alone are saying simply "Francis" right now. Also, apparently John Paul I actually specified that he was "the First". umrguy42 19:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes a move would be right. John Paul I had an ordinal in his lifetime.

Title should include the ordinal I, as Pope John Paul I, but somebody already redirected that here. Grsz 11 19:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The ordinal is only used for the first when there's a second. John Paul I was only John Paul until John Paul II was elected. 86.9.122.202 (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose If a future Pope takes the name, an Ordinal would be appropriate and the article would be moved at that time. Until and unless that happens, the article should stay where it is. Safiel (talk) 19:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Response[1] Gives John Paul I's name with the numeral even though it's from before John Paul II. Also, [2], [3], [4], [5] and numerous other sources include the numeral. Smartyllama (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, MSNBC is now referring to him as Francis I [6] Smartyllama (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Support - It is clear that he has purposely chosen to use the oridinal, just like John Paul I. BBC cites him as Francis I. 128.148.231.12 (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
• Outright oppose per all precedents. Wikipedia has Pope Mark, Pope Miltiades, Pope Constantine, etc. The Catholic News Service says "Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio is Pope Francis." Only the media are using the "I" (maybe to make it more sensational?). --86.40.200.32 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Correct, like John Paul, who specifically chose to add the ordinal. If this one does the same, the rule "no ordinal until there's a second" does not apply. 94.224.96.189 (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Iv'e noticed that the page has already been moved, should it be moved back for the time being since there clearly it not a consensus yet for this move.--64.229.164.74 (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose The official announcement that just finished did not use the ordinal. John Paul I explicitly did include it, all other popes with new names did not. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 19:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 March 2013

He was transferred in 1980 to become the rector of the seminary in San Miguel where he had studied. Tonylatt (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Andrew³²⁷ 19:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Date of election

Please change the elction date to the 13th of March, not the 14th. It is not yet the 14th in Italy. Today is the 13th... Even in Europe. :) --91.56.37.184 (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Was just about to come and say the same thing. Change the date, please. --91.152.235.120 (talk) 19:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

DoneAbductive (reasoning) 19:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

isn't he pope francis? Not pope francis I.

Francis I as Popes are always given an ordinal number. Kilonum (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Date fixed to the 13th Pieism (talk) 19:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

First new name since 10th century

An examination of the List of popes shows that, discounting the special case of John Paul I where he combined the names of his immediate predecessors, Francis is the first brand-new Pope name since Pope Lando took the chair in 913 AD. Might be worth noting somewhere. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Place of Birth

It reads he is the first Pope born in the Americas but then says he was born in India. Can we clarify / correct that?

Are we sure about which Saint?

Francis Solanus (The patron saint of Argentina) makes more sense than Francis of Assisi

He may be playing the "sounds like" game though

"For twenty years Francis worked at evangelizing the vast regions of Tucuman (present day northwestern Argentina) and Paraguay. He had a skill for languages and succeeded at learning many of the regions' native tongues in a fairly short period. It is claimed that he could also address tribes of different tongues in one language yet be understood by them all. Being a musician as well, Francis also played the violin frequently for the natives, which helped them relate better to him. He is often depicted playing this instrument."

Spandox (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Francis I?

Shouldn't it just be Francis as there is no Francis II?