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Hello Indian experts, I have created an article about a film named Raj Hath. The spelling of the film in hindi is "राजहठ" (see the poster in the article). In English Raj Hath means "King's hand" but seeing the spelling in hindi I have doubts that the real meaning is something else. Can someone tell me what is the real translation? Jim Carter (from public cyber) 20:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

The literal translation would be "King's (or Kings', or Royal) obstinacy (or stubbornness)". Abecedare (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Abecedare. Jim Carter (from public cyber) 07:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Translation request

Greetings, I need this sentence translated for a warning template:

• Please do not contribute text in Hindi to the English Wikipedia. Your contributions are more than welcome at the Hindi Wikipedia

It will be included at Template:Not English.- Gilliam (talk) 06:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

@Gilliam: You can use

• English Wikipeida per Hindi me lekh na likhen. App ke Hindi lekh Hindi Wikipedia per Sarhana kiye janege.

or

• अंग्रेजी विकिपीडिया पर हिंदी में योगदान न करें, आप के हिंदी लेख हिंदी विकिपीडिया पर सराहना किया जायेगा।.

Thank you
— CutestPenguin^Hangout 06:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) A possible translation: कृपया अंग्रेजी विकिपीडिया पर हिन्दी पाठ ना जोड़े। आपका योगदान हिन्दी विकिपीडिया पर अधिक सराहनीये हैं। Someone with better Hindi may kindly check it. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 06:58, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

suggesting minor improvements : कृपया, अंग्रेजी विकिपीडिया पर हिन्दी पाठ ना जोड़े। आपका योगदान हिन्दी विकिपीडिया पर अधिक सराहनीय होगा। Someone with better Hindi may kindly check it. --Mahitgar (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)--

Cutest Penguin It is commonly पर सराहा जायेगा instead of पर सराहना किया जायेगा. Vigyani it should be है instead of हैं (the dot in the top should not be there in this particular use). And it should be जोड़ें instead of जोड़े in all the three suggestions (the dot in the top should be there in this particular use). I would suggest the last one with this correction. Hindi is my mother tongue and I read a lot in Hindi and write online often in Hindi (not under AmritasyaPutra). --AmritasyaPutra^T 10:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

@AmritasyaPutra: I used Google translator since I don't have Hindi fonts in OS, and there is no difference. My point of view was to encourage the user to move on Hindi Wikipedia. If you have better knowledge you can suggest here. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 10:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you all for the translations. Please review the new template at Template:Contrib-hi1. - Gilliam (talk) 18:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done @Gilliam: It seems fine to me. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 05:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Karan (caste)

This doesn't actually seem to be an article on the caste since these changes.[1] It's more or less a cutdown version of Madala Panji which seems wrong. There are comments on my talk page about this and arguments at List of Shudra Hindu saints‎. Dougweller (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I will take it up on the talk page. I do agree with this editor that karans are probably not shudras. All the karans I know wear the jandhyam thread, which is not done by the shudra castes. Kautilya3 (talk) 19:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Karans , those live in Odisha can never be approved of being Shudras. Looking to the sources that describe them as shudras , those are written by Bengali people , who are very much alien to Odia culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitthalns (talk • contribs) 14:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bitthalns: Please find some reliable sources that can establish the issue one way or another, and we can edit the page accordingly. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:48, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

@Kautilya3:A few recent sources although I'm not sure they will help with this specific issue. However this article can benefit from any well sourced material. [2] [3] [4] Dougweller (talk) 15:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Political map of India in India

[5] This map in India needs fixing in a hurry. Pondicherry (G) points to multiple places which is obviously not the case. If someone with the technical skills could correct this that would count as their good deed of the day. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 21:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I think it is indeed the case. See Puducherry. Kautilya3 (talk) 22:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

The map appears accurate to me; Pondicherry is not a contiguous region. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

You are right assuming Wikipedia is right :) I had no idea that Pondicherry/Puducherry was so disjointed. --regentspark (comment) 23:45, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone know. why those districts are not made part of the respective states ? --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 00:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I am not an expert on the history of the states, but I believe it has something to do with the fact that all of Puducherry/Pondicherry (ie the disjointed bits) were a French colony, and so the accession to India worked differently from other states. Daman & Diu, which were Portuguese colonies (I think) remained a Union-territory, and were not integrated with their neighboring states either. Vanamonde93 (talk) 00:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The territory of Puducherry was merged with the Indian Union in November 1954 as part of the defacto agreement signed between Government of India and Government of France, later the dejure transfer of Puducherry happened in August 1962. I believe it was a political choice, there was one more colony Chandannagar freed in the same manner but it was merged with the state of West Bengal. Puducherry (the specific one falling in Tamil Nadu) has an interesting history -- Matrimandir is walkable distance (it was a long walk) from Puducherry Railway station (but falls under Tamil Nadu state). --AmritasyaPutra^T 01:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I read about Chandannagar. Thats why I was curios to know. Chandigarh is UT because of dispute between Haryana and Punjab. In case of parts of Puducherry, there shouldn't be any territorial dispute, as they are well inside the state areas. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 01:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Shared history (or the lack of it) should certainly be a consideration in organizing provinces. For example, the forcible merger of Telengana into Andhra Pradesh was widely regarded as a mistake, which has now been reversed. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

"Indo-Brazilian"

FYI, the usage of "Indo-Brazilian" is up for discussion, see Talk:Anglo-Nubian. You may be interested as it derives from something from India. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 05:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Dholera Page Importance

Dholera in Ahmedabad is rapidly moving towards formation of a mega city. It is a Special investment region.I would like to request people to expand this article and change the importance level of the page. Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

You can be bold and do it yourself with Reliable sources. Our WikiProject importance level is usually low for such geographical areas. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Some suggestions for article on chess

I have added few suggestions for article on chess. Kindly check the same and give your views. Dhirand (talk) 11:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)Dhiraj

Where have you added them? Kingsindian ♝♚ 14:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Here at Talk:Chess#Some_suggestions_for_the_article_on_chess. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Ministry Of Shipping

Please review the Ministry of Shipping (India) article and do necessary changes in the additions i have made.Also check if the article is eligible foe C or B class Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done Assessed as C, will give further comments on the article talk page. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sukrut Phansalkar: That is an amazing amount of work in 3 days. Great job! Kautilya3 (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

@Ugog Nizdast: and @Kautilya3: Thank You!! Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 11:14, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sukrut Phansalkar:, you should try and nominate it for WP:DYK; 5x is easily met. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha:,I am new i dont know how to nominate...please guide me else you yourself can do it Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 10:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I have tried fixing the nomination you created at Template:Did you know nominations/Ministry of Shipping (India). You can propose a different hook also if you wish. Keep a watch on it and someone will come and review it. Meanwhile, you have a large and an urgent task to do. Much of the information is simply taken from the various sources you used. See Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and Wikipedia:Copyright violations and change the prose as soon as possible. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

जहाज़रानी मंत्रालय, भारत सरकार

I have written the hindi version of the article Ministry of Shipping (India).जहाज़रानी मंत्रालय, भारत सरकार Please check the grammatical errors and include this article under wikiproject india like the English article.

For this you can place note at hi:विकिपीडिया:चौपाल --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 12:05, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Stephen Hector Taylor-Smith

I invite any of you for discussion on page move proposal. Join in there. --George Ho (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Ministry of Road Transport and Highways

I have edited the article Ministry of Road Transport and Highways.Please review the article and give a C or B class.Also please correct any mistakes I have made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukrut Phansalkar (talk • contribs) 10:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

U-DISE and articles about secondary schools

U-DISE (Unified District Information System for Education) is a database of information about schools in India. See http://www.dise.in/udise.html and U-DISE

I wonder if someone could create a bot to create Wikipedia articles on all the secondary schools in the U-DISE database, in the same way that articles on all cities in the United States were created from census data by a bot. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Articles on all secondary schools? There could be a million of them, if not more! Kautilya3 (talk) 20:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. That's what we do for U.S.-based secondary schools. We write articles on them. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yet more crappy stubs, copyvios of school websites and loads of POV coming then? Really, that notability guideline should be toughened up. Do either @Eastmain: or @WhisperToMe: really understand the endemic core problems relating to Indian articles? - 90.213.181.169 (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Photo requests in Delhi and Mumbai

Dear Wikiproject users,

I have article requests in Delhi and Mumbai related to airline corporate headquarters:

DELHI AREA:

• Air India head office - Airlines House, 113, Gurudwara Rakabganj Road, New Delhi 110 001
• IndiGo head office - Level 1, Tower C, Global Business Park, Mehrauli-Gurgaon Road, Gurgaon – 122 002, Haryana, India.

MUMBAI AREA:

• Jet Airways head office - Siroya Centre, Sahar Airport Road, Andheri (East), Mumbai, Maharashtra 400099

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Kudos to Sriram Vikram for "Editor of the week" recognition

Please congratulate Sriram Vikram for being recognized for the "Editor of the Week" (week ending Oct 5, 2014) for his contributions to Film articles. He helped push Gemini (2002 Tamil film) to Featured Article status. Kudos Sriram. Arunram (talk)

Congratulations Sriram! --AmritasyaPutra^T 05:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations @Sriram Vikram: . — CutestPenguin^Hangout 08:48, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Ministry of Road Transport and Highways

Please someone.... review this article Ministry of Road Transport and Highways and correct the mistakes i have made in editing Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 10:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

[IMPORTANT] Report from ICC 2014

Here is an unofficial draft of tyhe roadmap planned at ICC 2014: User:Titodutta/Condensed proposed roadmap for Wikimedia work in India --Tito☸Dutta 19:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Can we ask for any clarifications here or at some other venues ? --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 02:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• They may or will make some pages sooner or later at Meta. I may try to answer if you have questions. --Tito☸Dutta 02:44, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• [1] I couldn't understand what [STOP] Intervening in communities without community approval exactly means. what kind of intervention and who should not intervene ? --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 02:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
• [2] [STOP] Disallowing English (or other foreign) on Wikipedia,--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 02:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
• Answer 1) It means decisions should be taken after discussing on-wiki and reaching a consensus. It means Wikimedia India chapter can not force a consensus on WikiProject India. Similarly we can not force Tamil or Telugu Wikipedia to do anything. It should be discussed first. 2) Some local language Wikipedias don't allow English/Roman letters in their Wiki. If you go to their Wiki, and type "abcd" or any thing else in English, they will not allow you to save the edit (there is an automated process now, the you can not save edit with a blackisted URL here) User:Shyamal raised this issue.
  BTW, will you attend if I nominate your name in next year's conference or whenever I'll get chance (they will bear expenses)? --Tito☸Dutta 03:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for the clarifications. So these STOPs are not for normal users. Presently, I live outside India. I will try to attend, if I am in India at the time of the conference. I missed the chance in 2011, that time I was living very close to the conference venue. I was not very active that time :(. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 03:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Call for improving articles about Gwalior Gharana & Neela Bhagwat

This is a call for editors interested in contributing to help improve these articles. Today there was an event organized in Mumbai to receive contributions of bandishes (with detailed notes) of the Gwalior Gharana by Pandit Neela Bhagwat compiled over a period of 30 years. This was facilitated by Vishnu and Team A2K.

It would be befitting if we wikipedians could edit together to improve articles of the Gwalior Gharana and Pandit Neela Bhagwat. All of these pages need significant improvement. Thanks Arunram (talk)

Mir Mandow Rind

Mir Mandow Rind is nominated for deletion. Discussion is possible here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mir Mandow Rind. The Banner talk 17:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@The Banner: Instead of dragging AfDs here you can list it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/India, please avoid doing so since it can be considered to canvassing. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 17:58, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Sir, for your info:

   Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
   Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
   Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
   Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC) 

This generated no reply at all. Not positive, not negative. So in a neutral way I notify the Project that this article is nominated. The Banner talk 18:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I reviewed the article/AFD a few minutes back but decided to not to vote at the AFD, since I was not sure of my opinion (will perhaps add my thoughts as a comment...). Note that the subject is not really related to India as far as I can see, and those editing in the area of Iran/Afghanistan may be better able to weigh in. Abecedare (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Also FYI, the article is largely a duplicate of Mandwani. Abecedare (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Cutest Penguin, posting a neutrally worded message here is not canvassing. --regentspark (comment) 18:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Aside: Could project members with a few minutes to spare occasionally weigh in on India related AFDs? You'll note that many of the AFDs at the bottom of the page have been relisted multiple times due to lack of responses; so even your individual considered opinion can make a huge difference! Abecedare (talk) 18:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Indian people sidebar

Hello all! I fail to understand the content of the subject template; at least I fail to understand its name and its content. By the name I would assume this template should have included links to articles which are about Indian people. That would mainly be list articles, say all the entries of Lists of people from India by state under the header "By state". And then it would expand to "By religion", "By professions", "By recognitions", and so on. Is my understanding correct? Should the template be edited in that fashion? Currently it has articles about India and not Indian people. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

A category might be better, maybe. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Means? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Indian people. As it is now, the template could be huuuuuuge, covering all aspects of India. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, and the category is also huge, with many subcategories. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

We already have a category. the template is supposed to be for links of articles that are "Lists of Indians". The template won't actually have any individual's name in it. It also would include the most prime list-articles. It won't link categories or the sub-categories; especially the trivial ones like the Category:Twin people from India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nachikulam

Dear India experts: I can't find this village or the Udayamarthandapuram Panchayath in the list of villages at http://www.tnrd.gov.in/databases/Villages.pdf , but there is a village of this name on this list under Vadipatti. Can someone who knows Indian geography check to see if the draft article has the correct municipal designation? —Anne Delong (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: Which draft article are you referring to? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry - somehow I managed to paste the wrong title when I started this thread. It should have been "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nachikulam". I've fixed it now. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong:, I find "Nachikulam" as the 12th entry in "Vadipatti". "Udhyamarthandapuram" (with an extra "h") is the 23rd entry under "Muthupettai". Is that what you need? Cheers! Kautilya3 (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for finding that, Dharmadhyaksha. Since these two places are in different "blocks', does that mean that the lead sentence in that draft is incorrect? If so, what should it say instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now, I understand the issue. This is apparently a different "Nachikulam" from the one given in the village database. This "Nachikulam" won't appear in the database because it doesn't have a panchayat (village administration) of its own. It is some kind of a "suburb" of Udhayamarthandapuram. It is impressive that they want a Wiki page for themselves! If you are wondering if this page should be allowed, I don't see why not. You might ask them to clarify how it relates to the Udhayamarthandapuram village. Kautilya3 (talk) 20:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Dharmeshdar

So a new article Dharmeshdar states that this person was a stepson of Akbar the great. My searches on Google have been fruitless, but I know little about Indian history, and there very well might be multiple spellings for this person. I recognize the possibility that this is a hoax but I seriously doubt it. I would appreciate if someone knowledgable could comment at the talk page. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

A likely hoax. I have nominated it for deletion. Abecedare (talk) 04:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

"Stepson of Akbar"?!?! Means Akbar married some woman who birthed a boy whose father was someone else? So dubious for a 15th century Mughal king. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, the European monarchs had their Royal mistresses. Are you saying that the Indian rulers were any less worthy? SYSTEMIC BIAS !!! :-) Abecedare (talk) 05:54, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

You mean there is a possibility that Akbar married someone else's mistress/wife? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, obviously the guy married Kim Kardashian, right? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:59, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Templates with notable personalities included

We have many templates in here that include notable personalities' names in them. These templates are at times filled with names which merely fit the criteria but are not really notable. We need to clean these out sometime. I have started a discussion on one such template:

1. Template:Hindi writers and Template_talk:Hindi_writers#Omit_them

Please give your opinion on its talk page. I would also request all regular editors to pick at least one such similar template and get it cleaned. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Purba Banglar Bhasha

Dear India experts: This seems like an interesting topic, but it has no references. Perhaps they are not in English. Is this a notable book, and should the article be kept and improved? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Anne Delong, Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for Bangladesh-related topics might be a better place to approach. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:05, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

If you make articles on ethnic Indian populations in Canada, be sure to include info on Air India 182's impact on the community

I started some stubs on ethnic communities in Toronto and Montreal. If you want to start articles on the following:

• Indians in Toronto, Indians in Montreal, Indians in Vancouver...

Please be sure to research and see if you can find information on how Air India Flight 182 impacted those communities? How many families were affected? Were any Canadian Indian community leaders on board? I also know that Canadian officials made condolences to India without acknowledging the Canadian Indian community.

There was a CBC documentary I saw which involved relatives in Vancouver, Toronto, and then Montreal recounting what they said to their loved ones before they boarded the plane. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:23, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation needed to check for copyvio

[6] is used in this edit.[7] Can someone please translate it for me so I can be sure it's not copyvio? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Swamy Das Nallagatla

Dear India experts: This old AfC submission appears to be about a notable politician. It needs some inline citations, but should be accepted if its improved a bit. When this happens, what should the title of the article be? What is this man's surname? Is "Swamy" a title or a part of his name? —Anne Delong (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)