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Common Questions & Answers

Please do not start a new section for any of these topics, they have been discussed ad nauseam.

"Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii"?

It's just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 thru 10) and the separately archived survey for details.

Definitely should be "Nintendo Wii". 71.0.171.222 22:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Look at the archives. It's just "Wii", even Nintendo just calls it "Wii" (and not "Nintendo Wii"). TJ Spyke 22:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Its Wii. Nintendo strictly says that. WiiVolve 09:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it comes down to the name only containing one syllable, so "Wii" on its own in context makes perfect sense, but in a random sentence "I was playing about with my Wii last night" You can see how that may be seen as slightly weird. Hence the reason some people add Nintendo as a prefix, if the XBOX was just called the "X" or "BOX" then people would add Microsoft to avoid confusion. This is mainly an issue with verbal communication, not written and as such in this article it should just be "Wii" as we already know what context it is being used in. Caseh 10:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"Wii" vs. "The Wii"?

Depends on the context you're using it in. Some people prefer to say "Wii" (like a proper noun), others prefer to say the "Wii" (like a common noun). Just don't pick a fight over it -- the Wii article is already mentioned in Wikipedia's Lamest Edit Wars ever.

I know I'm not supposed to bring this up, but the fact is, in normal conversation, no one uses "Wii" as a proper noun. It just doesn't parse. I know Nintendo wants everyone to do it that way, but I think that in a case where common usage conflicts with Nintendo's style guide, to cater to Nintendo's desired usage violates NPOV. MrVoluntarist 13:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with MrVoluntarist. The opening sentence of this article should be "The Wii is..." not "Wii is..." You don't see "PlayStation 3 is..." you see "The PlayStation 3 is..." --Tristam 16:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
To that point, I distincly recall that Reggie fellow (CEO of Nintendo of America) using "the Wii" to refer to the console in the latest press conferences and interviews. I can pull up specific examples if need be, but the "drop the the" thing seems to be limited to some silly campaign around E3 when the name was revealed. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
All excellent points. I am going to add the preceding "the" article in the introduction. We should be following proper grammar, not PR campaigns. EDIT: Perhaps I won't after reading the commented out warning in the code. Why are we modifying grammar because Nintendo says so? Sorry guys, it really isn't up to them if "the" precedes Wii. I have no problem with their quirky campaign; I'll be buying a Wii myself on launch date. Can we exercise some greater professionalism here? --Tristam 18:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo's preferred style does not obligate us to use it, anymore than a company can dictate the pronoun you use to refer to the system. I'd like to hear some more comments from people who support following Nintendo's style. (And, like Tristam, I'm planning to get a Wii, don't accuse me of anti-Nintendo bias.) MrVoluntarist 18:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with MrVoluntarist too. It's common for console names to become not quite genericized, but diluted to the point where they are used as common nouns rather than proper trademark names. I remember mentioning this during the The debate, provoking someone else to suddenly go and remove all the "The"s from just about every videogame console article on here (followed almost as promptly by several reverts). --Stratadrake 15:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Proper grammar

Wii is a proper noun, but that does not mean it is exempt from proper grammar. Preceding articles such as "the" and "a" should be added, because grammar conforms to commonly accepted standards in the English language, not to Nintendo's PR campaign. As I state below, I am buying a Wii at launch. Can we exercise professionalism rather than fanboyism? --Tristam 03:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Proper grammar takes precedence over a company's PR efforts. I plan on purchasing a Wii and at least attempting to continue using proper grammar.Kedlav 11:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Interesting way to move this argument under that banner (which I edited). What makes you think that a proper noun can't be preceded by an article? Is the Panama Canal no longer a proper noun? --Tristam 00:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Good grief. I was lazy, and didn't care enough to phrase and word things properly. The heading was just to separate your comments from the discussion about the "criticisms" section, because they're not related. Look, from what I can see with a quick look at the recent discussion, noone's disputing your proposed changes. Just go ahead and make the changes once the article is unprotected. You certainly had the opportunity the other times you commented on the issue. There isn't much point in voicing the same complaint over and over again when there isn't any active opposition. Heck, it's minor enough. If you can't wait for the protection to be lifted, you can detail the specific changes you want right here, then can flag your suggestion with an {{editprotected}} template. Dancter 04:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if I jumped like that (by the way, the "you" didn't refer to you specifically; I didn't even look at who moved the text anyways). Actually, I think an edit war would inevitably follow my proposed changes. No one has disputed my claims because, quite frankly, they're grammatically correct. There are only sly, roundabout comments that "Well, NINTENDO confirmed that it's not the Wii, so..." Which, of course, completely ignores the issue at hand, because the point is that Nintendo doesn't decide grammatical rules. The other problem I have with carrying out my changes is the all-caps notice plastered at the top of the page: "DISCUSSIONS IN THE DISCUSSION SECTION HAVE DECIDED TO NAME THE CONSOLE "Wii", NOT "The Wii". PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE IT TO "The Wii"." So far, the only people that have responded have given support for changing to a grammatically correct style. If I don't see any legitimate opposition within the next few days, then I will take your suggestion and implement the changes. --Tristam 15:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it would make more sense to replace "the Wii" with "the Wii console" or "the console". "Wii" itself doesn't have to be used as often in an article specifically documenting it. Just64helpin 20:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I have no problem with mentioning "the Wii," but you are right in that substituting the phrase with "the console" will add flavor and reduce redundancy. --Tristam 22:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Just throwing in my two cents. Nintendo is acting as if "Wii" is a human beings name, meaning "this is like your little brother!" Thusly, "Wii" would work in that sense. "Wii goes to school." "I play with Wii at home." However, this is all a PR stunt. I think this can of worms needs to be reopened. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 08:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Since it looks like there's a consensus among pretty much everyone that's posting on the talk page that we're going to use articles when we refer to "the Wii," does anyone intend to update the article for consistency in this respect? There are still several instances, especially in the latter half, where articles are dropped and "Wii" is named as if it were a person. If no one else wants to do it, I will. (Also, in case anyone cares, the missing article makes perfect sense in Japanese. Nintendo's Japanese marketing department must have more clout than the American one.) BIEB!! 00:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I initially refrained: after a consensus began to form, the page was again given full protection. I urge you to follow through with the editing, but be sure to bring your bazooka. --Tristam 09:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wee" (as in urine) ?

No. There is no need to mention it in the article. We actually took a survey on this question, see archive #14 for details.

Thats not Funny do Not Speak like that (I love entei 21:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC))
? The Wikipedia is not censored. Sorry. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
There's a difference between censoring the article and not filling it with stupid crap.--Agent Aquamarine 22:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Agent Auqamarine What are you Saying? (I love entei 23:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC))

I've presumed that I love entei was responding directly to this FAQ question, not the the nuts who keep perpetuating it. Of course, I can't really tell. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I was speaking to Consumed Crustacean, who I thought meant that he should be allowed to talk about the fact that is sounds like "Wee" because Wikipedia isn't censored. Obviously, this wasn't the case, although I'm still not entirely sure what he meant.--Agent Aquamarine 23:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure either. I assumed that the user took offence at the FAQ question itself. After some communication, I think that's sort of the case. This has all been very confusing :P -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Better rephrase it, then. The survey consensus (from archive #14) was about mentioning the "Wee" reference in the article and not just in general. --Stratadrake 00:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Is this _really_ needed in this article? C'mon! This is an online Encyclopedia! Rubbicub 23:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no denying that the name is controversial, and many, many, many people commented on it's alternate meanings. WP is about the truth, not being politically correct and censored. Scepia 03:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
"Wii" has no other meaning. I believe "sound alike" is what you were looking for. 03:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A Sound Alike word does not need to be mentioned. This article is about the "Wii" not "Wee" or urine. Rubbicub 04:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You are totally ignoring the point. The fact, the truth that was posted in thousands of blogs, many respectable website (AKA IGN, GameSpot, etc.) is that it sounds like wee. Denying this fact is not going to get us to a encyclopedia that reports all the facts. Denying this will lead us to be biased because some people feel like their "too mature" to talk about urine on Wikipedia. You can call it silly or pointless to connect it with urine, but that fact is not going away. Scepia 08:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Are you obsessed with Urine? 05:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Look, I do not see your problem. Urine has nothing to do with the Nintendo Wii video game console. It belongs in it's own article. It has it's own article. And just because IGN said: "Wii sounds like Wee, The pet name for urine" It doesn't mean that it belongs in this article. Rubbicub 05:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Learn how to spell its, retards. -lysdexia 19:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Learn how to post on Wikipedia without making personal insults. In all seriousness though, this has been discussed to exhaustion a while ago. It was tricky just for me to be able to include a section saying there was criticism about the name. --Twile 20:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Phonetic similarities

Please link the phonetic similarities from the article:

or even made fun of the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English and French.

Please replace this with the following:

or even made fun of the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English (see Wee) and French (see oui in Wiktionary).

--Damian Yerrick (☎) 18:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The segment does not appear to be tagged for a citation, so it should be deleted outright. Just64helpin 20:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Now it is. The reference wasn't as clear as when I first read the section. Just64helpin 17:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
It was there all along, and I do think that putting a reference for every single statement is overkill. Imagine if you got three citations to the same place when you were listing off the system dimensions. Just plain silly. Regardless I'll let it slide, just please, don't EVER suggest to delete something the moment you see it doesn't have a little superscript reference number right next to it. You'll get people upset by suggesting their contributions aren't worth keeping, even if it's just because you didn't look closely enough at the citations. --Twile 21:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Then please add a citation.[1][2] --Damian Yerrick (☎) 00:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It was also decided that "Wee" not be mentioned in the article (right here if you can't find it). Just64helpin 14:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, don't get me started again. This was brought up many times, only one of which I was involved for. The final "vote" was a silly one-sided slam-fest which went on for less than 24 hours, during which I wasn't even able to put my thoughts in. I worked rather hard to produce something that was a compromise between being respectful to Nintendo, unoffensive to readers, had citations from reliable sources, and was respectful to gamers (i.e. NOT acting like everyone was happy as can be about the name). As for your earlier comment about deleting from no citations, STFU. Just STFU. I've earned the right to say that to you because I did make sure there were citations. Take a look at the Gamasutra article. See the first sentence? It mentions urine references. Now search the page for the word "French", and *gasp* it says "Of course, it also sounds like the French word for "yes," "oui" ". And if the first part with the urine reference isn't good enough, look right below this bit about the "oui" and what do you know, it actually uses the word "wee". You, madam/sir, are wrong on both counts, and the citations are right in front of your face. Drop this here and now. --Twile 18:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Drop what, exactly? I was merely making a suggestion. Just64helpin 21:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


Finnish Wii price

Shouldn't Finnish price be added? It has been confirmed by AMO (Finnish importer of Nintendo products) that it´s retail price is 269.99€. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.23.11.197 (talk • contribs) .

Please put all new topics at the bottom of the page and remember to sign your comments using 4 ~. // Sasuke-kun27 11:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Sasuke-kun27, please do not reply to someone simply with Wiki rules and regulation, it's very impolite and makes it look like Wiki users only care about upholding the law or something. For the topic creator (I'll call you 85.23.11.197 for now), if you could provide a link that states the price you mentioned, perhaps someone will make the modification.Duhman0009 12:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. It was an accident.. I should have put it down..
I don't think I can find pages in English, but if it helps, here is from importers (mini)site for Nintendo games: http://www.nintendo.fi/?file=365
Words next to Wii pic go something like this: Gaming revolutionizer Wii will be released in Finland 8th December at the recommended price of 269.90 Euros. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.23.11.197 (talk • contribs) .
We have been over this many times now, no urine referance will go into the article. TJ Spyke 04:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wifi USB Connector

Does anyone know if the Wifi USB Connecter will be compatible with Wii, i.e. allow Wii to use the net if it can't detect your router like the DS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Arkhiver

I think it does, at least devkits do, as showed on IGN weekly 30. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.23.11.197 (talk • contribs) .
I think on IGN Weekly they connected using SSID... Arkhiver 01:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Next day street value

does anyone know what the next day street value is? i know that because of limited quantities its definitely going to be worth a lot, i heard about $3,000, can anyone confirm or give me another price? Cubanaso 22:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

How is 1 million+ launch systems in North America "limited quantity"? No way somebody would pay that much for a Wii, not even on eBay. TJ Spyke 22:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

oooo, i heard 400,000 but thanks for the facts Cubanaso 00:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's the PS3 which will only have 400,000 systems. I think you just mixed them up. TJ Spyke 00:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

ya someone told me it was 400,000 4 both & i juss wanted a confrimation, but thats y they say trust nothing u hear & only 1/2 of what you read Cubanaso 03:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe 400,000 is the number of Wiis avaliable on launch day in the US or the US and Canada and 1 mil is the number for all of the Americas. — Jaxad0127 05:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
No, the person from Nintendo of Canada clearly said 1 million for North America. TJ Spyke 05:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I sure hope so, because the Game Stop where I get my games at filled in their reserve quota last week within 45 minutes of opening the store and I had no idea when they were reserving Wiis. Now I may have to wait longer to get one. -サターン・ヨッシー HAPPY HALLOWEEN 08:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you're misplacing the decimal point. Nintendo have said they'll have 4 million units for launch, and a million more a month after that. The number of units they'll have available by the end of the fiscal year is supposed to be 9 million, which would fit those figures. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.6.0.159 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Read what's currently in the article. Each statement in there has a source to verify it. As recently as October 26, Nintendo's official estimates were 1 million in North America on launch day, 4 million worldwide by the end of the calendar year, 6 million worldwide by the end of the fiscal year. Also, all I've heard about a 9 million units figure traces to an unofficial estimate by UBS Investment Research, which has not been shown to relate at all to Nintendo's estimates. I don't know where you're getting the "4 million units for launch, and a million more a month after that" information, but if you provide a source, perhaps it can be evaluated. Dancter 08:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Excite Truck (UK)

I would change it myself, but can't, so I'm just making it known that Excite Truck WILL be available in the United Kingdom on launch, at least from the major online retailers such as amazon.co.uk. Can someone please change this? OnionHead 15:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Online stores are not reliable release date sources. For example many still have Wario Ware Twisted down for launch. Sockatume 18:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Target?

Target is selling stands, gloves, etc. Should we add that?--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 17:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC) Perhaps, so people know. Maybe also offer the prices for each accessory, and where else it's available under a subsection like accessories, perhaps?

Unrequired Information?

I know that the Wii is attracting a lot of attention worldwide, but is there really any need for the page to be so vastly long? A lot of the informatio could be moved to individual pages (list of launch titles, wii channels info, etc.), and some of the information is just useless to anyone who's not a major fanboy looking for news on the Wii (the amazon pre-order problem, the retail packaging list that could be shortened and added somewhere else). Also, if there's already a page devoted to certain sections (Wii Channels, NFWC/WiiConnect24, the controller), is there really any need for the information to be so comprehensive on this page? Seriously, I'm interested in the Wii and all but the page is massive and untidy and could be vasty improved. If people agree I'll start making some edits. Noit88 17:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

For the record, you began your edits before anyone could respond to this post. Just64helpin 19:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Just64 is right, you shouldn't make such major edits (like removing entire sections), without getting a consensus from the other people who also edit the page. TJ Spyke 20:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't normally agree with TJ Spyke, but this time I have to. Removing something that has no sources what-so-ever is OK as long as you state why it needed to go, but removing info just because you feel that there's to much, well this needs to be discuss first. Although no one owns the Wii page, if the majority agrees on something, well you get the idea. Duhman0009 01:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just done some light formatting and organizing on the very top of the Wii section, as you can see. What really needs to be organized next (not obliterated or deleted - organized) is the "Launch" section. The Release Date and Price section hardly even entails the release dates, or the prices, until paragraphs below. Perhaps there needs to be a sub-section called "Pre-Launch History" there, or something of the sort? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Well while we're at it then, why not group all the Wii channels, I personally feel that it's not worth describing them all, naming them in one paragraph should be more than enough. Duhman0009 05:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed about the Wii Channels part, since there is a whole article for them. TJ Spyke 06:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii price (250 USD) + tax?

Hello, I'm here again, I just wanted to know the Wii's price + the tax thing... I don't live in the States so I'm not very informed about it...200.109.8.213 01:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The $249.99 price is before tax. The problem is that sales tax in the US varies by state (and sometimes even counties within a state). Some areas have no sales tax, while I have seen others as high as 9.25%. TJ Spyke 02:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As high as? It's 17.5% in Britain. Is the price for the UK before or after tax? OnionHead 12:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
The UK price is after tax. Tim 18:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

NYC has 15% sales tax Cubanaso 16:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

NYC does not have 15% sales tax, especially since that would mean the counties NYC are in would have 11% tax (since NYS only has 4%). Onion, I was referring to here in the US, I am aware that tax is much higher in other countries. TJ Spyke 21:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Source: Article on Sales Tax —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 08:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok thanks... does anyone know its price in Florida? Is it before tax?201.208.78.178 00:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you live in Florida? If so, then you already know what the sales tax is. Tax is 8% where I live, so it would be $249.99 x 1.08 TJ Spyke 00:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The Finnish price for the Wii is going to be €269,90 per the www.nintendo.fi website - direct link is http://www.nintendo.fi/?file=365. - I forgot to mention this but Finland VAT is 22%. Should be able to figure out base price from that.

Is that Finnish price before of after the VAT? TJ Spyke 08:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Some news here http://www.gamestar.it/showPage.php?template=News&id=8615&argomento=Wii indicate that the price of the Wii in Italy will be €259 (VAT included, at 20%) and the release date will be 7 december (8 december is a holiday in Italy). No news on the italian Nintendo site at this time. 217.133.179.162 08:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed that the release date will be 7 December : http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/it/IT/news/article.do?elementId=KbzviNbInWaYM7wWN3OBTFvH5iHNImx2 . No confirmation for the price, but some retailers confirms that it will be 259. 217.133.179.162 13:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Learn how to conjugare. -lysdexia 20:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

DVD Enhanced Wii on the way?

The site aussie-nintendo.com, in their report of CNN's collaboration with the Wii News, mentions that the most recent issue of the UK's Edge magazine claims that there is an "Enhanced Wii with DVD playback" due for release in Japan next year. --Billdorr 06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It would most likely be like the Panasonic Q, the basic system but with the ability to play DVDs. TJ Spyke 06:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I read that at 9AM this morning (GMT-5) and I'm taking that with a grain of salt. They wouldn't announce that right before launch. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 06:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
That Was Edge who reported it, Nintedo themselves have not said anything. TJ Spyke 06:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd say it's unlikely, as there's no benefit (and lots of cost) to adding a DVD-ROM drive. It's not part of the Wii philosophy, just as it wasn't part of the GameCube philosophy. I wouln't be surprised to see a third party add-on to allow DVD playback, or some alternative version like the Q mentioned above, but I doubt we'll see a DVDWii. And if it's true, the timing of the announcement is inconceivably dumb. Kelvingreen 09:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Ummm... wow. That's just... wow. Take a look at a site like Newegg. Price of a CD-ROM drive: $12 or so. Price of a DVD-ROM drive: $18 or so. The price difference truly is negligible. Also, unless I'm seriously mistaken, the Wii isn't using CDs. Even the Gamecube needed more space than a CD had. Hell, even the Dreamcast used more than CDs provided. Again unless I'm seriously mistaken the Wii is already going to have a DVD-ROM in it. The price is next to nothing and the capacity is greatly needed. There is tons of benefit and no "lots of cost". And I do find it funny, really, that Nintendo feels that DVD playback isn't something people will need (after all they're not like Sony, trying to make an all-in-one device), even though they have everything in place for it hardware-wise, yet being able to view pictures and videos from your camera card (which has added cost, adding the card readers and such) is worthy of the final cut. Silly silly Nintendo. --Twile 17:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject or its features. Just64helpin 18:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd wait for an official conformation before adding it to the article. Sockatume 19:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and added it. While I'm a little leery of Edge after the whole "Virtual Console Controllers" confusion, I consider GamesIndustry.biz reliable enough. Dancter 19:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The discussion was to not add it until its confirmed by Nintendo. Please don't add it again, or, if you feel it should be in, wait for a consensus. This was not confirmed by Nintendo, and adding current rumor like this can make our Wiki untrustworthy. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but if a reliable source states that Nintendo stated it directly to them, I consider that a confirmation. I understood the discussion to be about the reliability of the Edge article. I'll wait for a new consensus, but I don't think that in any way I violated a pre-existing one. Dancter 22:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Gi.biz has confirmation from a Nintendo spokesperson. If it's not added yet (I've not looked yet) I'll stick it in. "Virtual Console Controllers" confusion? You mean that inch-square photo and caption which the blogosphere jumped on and massively misinterpreted? Sockatume 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I still contend that some of that blame rests on Edge for sloppiness. Dancter 22:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
What sloppiness? They made it pretty clear it was just a mock-up Nintendo were showing off, and not an actual product. Not that you can tell it from a picture, a caption, and somebody's entirely speculative internet forum post. Sockatume 17:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii GUI revealed!

Some shots and info on the Wii GUI were released by IGN, you can check them out here. It would be helpful if someone added any images and info. :) --Anas Salloum 18:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Disputed Talk

<small>(prev. Remove/Edit: Long Introduction & Wii Channels)</small> <div style="background-color:#cc0000; border-bottom:-1px; border: 1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:center; font-size:100%; padding:20px; margin:4px;"><big><big>'''Disputed Talk'''</big></big><br \><br \> <big>The Following sections are disputed: '''Wii in Popular Culture'''</big></div> <div style="background-color:#ffff99; border-bottom:0px; border: 1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:center; font-size:100%; padding:7px; margin:4px;">When adding your opinions, please use the bold headers "'''support''''" or "'''oppose'''" if making a point. Please follow this up as to why you chose your specific choice.<br \> If you have a comment or question, use the bold terms "'''comment'''" and "'''question'''" where applicable.</div> ===Wii in Popular Culture=== <div style="background-color:#CCFFFF; border-bottom:-1px; border: 1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:left; font-size:100%; padding:3px; margin:4px;">The [[Wii#Wii_in_Popular_Culture|Wii in Popular Culture]] section has been a form of debate over the last 24 hours. Its time to bring the discussion here. Those who support this section believe that its a useful tool for culture to know where the Wii has been seen. The opposition believes this list will get ridiculously large and ultimately a weight on this article. Discussion below will give us a better understanding of the issues. —[[User:Shanesan|'''<span style="color: #00FF00; font: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 10px;">Shanesan</span>''']] <small> ([[Special:Contributions/Shanesan|contribs]]) ([[User_talk:Shanesan|Talk]])</small> 07:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)</div>


Oppose, I have seen plenty of edit wars revolving around "in Popular Culture" sections, leading to uncivil fights that make the talk page ridiculously long. I was about to say maybe make a new article titled "List of References of Wii in Popular Culture" and have a reduced version here (like with Wii Channels). However, the more I think about it, the more I think it's stupid. Thoughts?--Farquaadhnchmn 13:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Support or Oppose The answer is simple, you either keep Pop-culture references in all Wiki articles, or you don't. Wikipedia works by a standard, so if one article is allow to have Pop-culture references, then every aritcle should be allowed and vice-versa. Duhman0009 13:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Oppose, The Wii is very famous right know. Everyone is talking about it. Millions of blogs and forums have been made because of it. I don't want a hunkin large list, and it is not needed. This is an Online Encyclopedia. And a civilized Wiki. Wikipedia. Rubbicub 23:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Support, I think it should be added because South Park grabs a huge part of the target democraphic for video games. It also takes up half of the episode with the other half talking about atheists. SO I believe that this scenerio is worth mentioning on this Wiki, while adding blogs and forums is not. 74.116.7.116 01:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Support I believe that it should be mentioned mainly due to the fact that the Console played an Important role in the episode and upcoming episode, It wasn't just a moment were someone was simply playing, simple fact the Console played an IMPORTANT ROLE, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.149.82.73 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Past Disuputed Talk

Introduction Issue 1: The 30th of October build, before edited by John Mash, presented [here], I believe is a more effective (in the sense that this is an encyclopedia, not a book) method of formatting the introduction. Splitting off into links where the user can find more information, or moving them into more appropriate categories, would be more effective.

In question is the following quote from the introduction.


I believe the first paragraph of the quote would more effectively be presented in an "Introduction Category" such as "Selling Points". The whole E3 thing should be in the history.

EDIT: "Introduction Category" sounds lame. The beginning there is okay. Leave it there. The E3 thing, instead of putting it in "History", make the category "Inception", "Birth of Wii", "Dawn of Wii" or something else that really shows that it's "Wii", not "The Wii" or "Nintendo Wii". Comments? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC) ISSUE 1 CLOSED. Result: Opposed

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Wii Channels The "Wii Channels" section is nearly identical to the Wii Channels main article. I suggest a major breakdown to the Wii Channels section on the Wii page and perhaps just create an introduction on what the channels are and what the channels are supposed to do as a whole - not what each channel individually is supposed to entail (already explained in the Wii Channels main article). Comments. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

ISSUE 2 CLOSED. Result: Unanimous Support

  • Comment, I agree on the E3 part, but for now it would be best to remove the "History" section's contents and wait for the consensus. Just64helpin 22:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support both subjects, Off the Wii Channels I say! Describing what the Channels do would be like describing the entire Menu content of the PS2 or another console. It's not really necessary, especially since there is a Wii Channel Page already on Wiki. Just leave the Wii Channels' purpose in summery and put a link to the Wii Channels Wiki page. Duhman0009 22:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, the reduction of the Wii Channels section, Undecided about Issue 1. JQF 01:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, issue 2, Oppose issue 1. TJ Spyke 01:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, issue 2, Oppose issue 1. Why does something that isnt even released yet have a history section, that is why I oppose issue 1. DivineShadow218 01:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply, Issue 1 has to do with construction and E3 history (it's the past). This would need a place to go - it shouldn't be in the introduction. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 02:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply, I understand that there should be a section about the history, but the section needs another title because history is just to broad. The section should be pre-release, not pwii-release, or just something like pre-release. Then maybe we can add subsections about development and pre-orders and such. DivineShadow218 06:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply, So in other words, you Support With Ammendment? AKA your idea? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, issue 2, Oppose issue 1. Comment, I believe that the info in that introduction paragraph is fine. It isn't overly long and that is the only reason I can think of for axing it. The version presented [here] is too short and vague to give the reader a full introduction, especially if they are merely skimming the article and do not want to read the whole thing.--Farquaadhnchmn 13:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Issue 2. The section on the Wii page shouldn't go into that much detail; the Wii Channels page should.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 22:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Categorization:

Why is the Wii article in the Category:Low-importance_computer_and_video_game_articles? It is one of the three "Next-Gen" consoles, not a small sub-article. SeanMon 02:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

That is for [Wikipedia 1.0]. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 02:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Please read the section on importance of topic to see why its given such a low rating. — Jaxad0127 02:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
And the reason why PS3 had a rating of "High"? The PS3 article is a mess compared to the Wii article. TJ Spyke 03:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It's down to low now. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 06:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Launch Titles

This article is saying that it's confirmed that there's around 27 games available on launch day, which is simply not true. Even the links provided for a source say around 15-16 on launch day. The "30 launch titles" that are being reported are for the launch window, not launch day. I can provide numerous sources to this effect, but can't find a difinitive list of what titles will actually be available on launch day. Can anyone else? Either way, we need to change the wording in the article...27 games on launch day is innacurate. CPitt76 02:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

All of the titles on that list have been confirmed for launch, so the count is accurate. TJ Spyke 03:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Aren't you gonna remove Elebits? Duhman0009 05:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
No, because if you look at the table you will see that it is a launch title in Japan. TJ Spyke 05:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
They have been confirmed for launch window, but not launch day. Only about half of those titles are going to be available on launch day. I'm not arguing that we remove any of the titles, but that we change the wording that precedes the table, since right now it's incorrect. Check the source for some of the games on the table to see what I mean. CPitt76 00:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
All of the games with "Yes" have been confirmed to be LAUNCH games, not launch window games. TJ Spyke 01:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you might be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that they are launch games. I'm not suggesting that they should be changed in the table. I'm saying the statement "27 games available on launch DAY" is inaccurate and the intro to the table should be reworded. Even the citation for that statement doesn't show 27 launch titles. And info that came out after that article has pared the number down a little. From the November 2006 Issue of GameInformer: "Thirty launch titles will be available during the launch window from both Nintendo and third-party publishers, with about half that number on hand on day one." That means 27 games will not be available on launch day as the article states. I can just remove the word "day", but I was hoping someone could provide a source with a list of what games will actually be available on launch day so we could make the number in the intro to the table accurate. CPitt76 02:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The citation is old, all 27 of those games have been confirmed by one source or another to be out on launch DAY. There just isn't a list having them all together. TJ Spyke 03:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

And the information is always changing. Games get delayed. The newest info I've seen is the GameInformer quote I provided saying there would be roughly 15 games available on launch day. Do you have any current sources that contradict that? CPitt76 03:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, you are sourcing GameInformer. Can you use another source with exact dates, or show us your source, so we can put this into a better context? I'm hearing opposition to the current table, but I am not seeing it cited. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the list should just be labelled as "Launch Window Games" along with the games that are expected to come out during the launch window. The shipment date for games often changes at the last moment, so it would be much cleaner and easier to maintain if the precise shipping date is mentioned on the games' own article page. Unplugged68 06:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
A list of "launch window" games is not informative. Only actuall launch games should be listed. TJ Spyke 06:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo will have a complete, concise list of all games coming out on release day within 2 weeks, so right now, this is probably the most concise list on the internet, so wait it out and hold your hats. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 08:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To clarify, Shanesan, you are not hearing opposition to the current table (from me anyway). I am not saying we change the table at all. As I said in my initial post, I don't have a cited list with dates, that is what I was asking for. I'm not sure what you mean by can I show you my source. I've already said the quote came from the November 2006 issue of GameInformer. For further clarification, it's page 25. Short of actually hand delivering you a copy of the mag, that's as helpful as I can be. I'm not suggesting we tag games as "launch window" games, either. All I'm saying is that we just need to delete the phrase "Launch DAY" from the paragraph before the table, since no one seems to be sure that those titles will all be available on the day the Wii is released. All we need to do is call them out as launch titles. Not launch window titles, not launch day titles. "Launch titles" fixes this cleanly and quickly. CPitt76 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii region coding

Just a quick note- Nintendo has revealed that the wii will be region coded. would a member please add this in as I am not a member and new members cant add content to this page

There is still speculation to this - just because America says it's region-free and Europe says it's not, doesn't mean anything. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
We can't trust any gaming company from Europe, we know that they hate it when people there import because it hurts their business (although it's their fault for always releasing games and system after NA and Japan). I don't need to remind anyone of the SCEE Vs. Lik-Sang case. Duhman0009 02:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
They have also been wrong before. I remember the head of NOE saying there wouldn't be a redesign of the DS, then NOJ announced the DS Lite less than a week later. TJ Spyke 02:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Tense changes

Is there any organized plan for the changing of future tense in regards to the article's subject? Many changes will have to be made to the article once the console is released. Just64helpin 17:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I have created a page here, with pages that will be affected by the Wii launch (in more than tense perhaps as well). I think it would be a good idea to organize something where each person gets, say, 3 or 4 articles to edit (depending on the number of participants) so that we can have up-to-date info within two hours or so. Scepia 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect, Unconfirmed, or One-Sided Arguments

The following was added by someone, then removed by me. This is the discussion as to whether or not they should be included:

Canada Flag

Not being nationalist or anything, but ALL of the flags are below in the "launch" area of the page, with release dates. If you really want to put the Canadian flag, or any other flag, in the release section on the top right, you might as well just add every nations flag, and that'd be a cluster-fuck, pardon my language. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Quite a point there. But what flags should we put in the upper right, then?--the ninth bright shiner halloween 21:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Usually the EU flag represents Europe in general (unless specific countries have different release dates), US represents North America (unless other NA countries have different dates), and Australia represents both Australia and New Zealand. TJ Spyke 21:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Then I suppose what we already have will do. Just seemed sort of wrong to let the big, well-known countries swallow up the little ones in terms of whether their flag gets to be displayed on the Wikipedia article on Wii. Bah, I'm being overly sensitive.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 21:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I've siad it before, but either say 'see chart below' that has all the release dates in it, or simply divide it into regions without flags (ie: instead of US, Mexico and Canada, write North America, etc.). This will not cause a nationlist fight. --Thaddius 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

DVD/Video Wii

We discussed above (on this talk page) of this rumor, and how it probably shouldn't be added until Nintendo can confirm it. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo has confirmed this, [3]. They also confirm that there are no plans to release it outside of Japan. TJ Spyke 20:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Roger that. I'll get that back in there then. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I mentioned this when I re-added it yesterday. I also edited it to read "A Nintendo spokesperson has confirmed that..." in order to make it clear what the source was. Sockatume 17:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Region Locked

vs.


Obviously, we cannot guarantee that the Wii will be region locked, yet we can't unconfirm it either. It could be a ploy by Nintendo Europe to keep Europeans from buying a Wii from the American launch window.

As always, I love your thoughts to these matters. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems it would be best if we just said that it's unclear whether the Wii will be region-locked or not. Because from what the two passages are saying, it's definitely unclear.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 01:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
NoA corrected themselves, confirming that it's region locked.[4]Sockatume 17:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo Australia has also confirmed this, and it is obvious because the PAL hardware is obviously different in its framebuffer size.
(Edit: Who wrote the above statement?) I still find it suspicious that everyone who is getting Wii later than the United States jumped on it so fast. "THERE IS REGION LOCK!" I am suspecting they are saying this because they don't want thousands of people importing their Wii from North America, sucking from the potential American owners and lowering their home countries sales. Speculation or not, I say we leave it the way it is now. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 00:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think Nintendo Europe would say this if it's not true. It would cause a lot of controversy if Nintendo "didn't know" whether it was or wasn't region locked twice in a row. Besides, I'm sure after the first time they were wrong, they made sure that it was region locked. To say that it's unclear whether games are region locked or not seems incorrect to me as the most current information that we have to go on suggests that games are region locked and there seems to be little controversy over this now outside of this Wiki. SmartSped 03:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo of Europe said there would be no upgrade to the DS and then less than a week later Nintendo of Japan unveiled the DS Lite. NOE doesn't know anything. TJ Spyke 03:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Which part of "Nintendo of America have confirmed this" are you having trouble understanding? Sockatume 14:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
We took the issue to a Nintendo US spokesperson and received the clarification we desired, unpleasant as it was. "We've heard conflicting reports from lots of folks out there, but can tell you that Wii will be region encoded, as will first-party software."
Guess we'll know in December for sure if it will be Region lock, or if it was a lie in order to prevent exporting during the NA launch Window. Duhman0009 20:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
That'd be a pretty absurd move. It's only a two-week-or-so head start. By the time the Wii comes out in Europe, and importer's US Wii will probably still be in Customs. Why not discourage importing by, I don't know, actually region locking the console?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.195.176.11 (talk • contribs)
Words are much cheaper than actions. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't see why I bother replying to a rude IP address, but anyway, to answer you question, there's a few possibilities. First, SONY and Nintendo seem to copy each other's idea once in a while. So with PS3 being region FREE, then perhaps Nintendo got the idea to do the same thing. Second possibility would be that they would want to save time and money by having the games in both English and Japanese, all made in the same area in Japan, leaving only the box art and manual to differ the two versions. This last reason could be why Nintendo first stated that 1st party games would be region FREE. Duhman0009 21:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Whether it's locked or not, I added Kaplan's statement and NoE and NoA's responses to the article, along with the caveat expressed here. That way we've got the facts as they stand, at least. Sockatume 23:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

North American Release Games

Is the "No" supposed to indicate that it will not be available at the North American release date, or that it has not been confirmed to be released in North America at all?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bytemaster (talk • contribs)

It's under "confirmed launch titles," so I suppose it indicates that it will not be available at the North American release date. Oh, and please sign your comments with four tildes (like this:~~~~).--the ninth bright shiner halloween 22:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Orannis is right. If there is a "Yes", that means it has been confirmed to be a launch title in that region. If it says "No", that means its been confirmed it will not be a launch title in that region. "Unknown" of coarse means we don't know if it will or will not be a launch game in that region. TJ Spyke 22:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I have noticed several of the games listed as No for North America have definitely been confirmed to be released in North America, but not necessarily on launch day. I wanted to ask before making edits that would just be reversed. Again, thank you.--Bytemaster 07:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed Launch Games (Wii and Virtual Console)

Today, it seems that Nintendo has announced a finalized list of launch games (32 to count) as well as the final list of Virtual Console games (30 to count) to be out by five weeks after the console's launch. It also lists the Virtual Console official price for games. You pretty much know the Wii launch list, so just look at the link provided to check. And the Virtual Console games:

NES: Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Ice Hockey, Pinball, Soccer, Tennis, Urban Champion, Wario’s Woods, Baseball, Solomon’s Key

SNES: F-Zero, SimCity

N64: Super Mario 64

Sega Genesis: Sonic the Hedgehog, Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Columns, Ecco the Dolphin, Gunstar Heroes, Space Harrier II, Toe Jam & Earl, Ristar, Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine

TurboGrafx16: Bonk’s Adventure, Super Star Soldier, Victory Run, Bomberman ’93, Dungeon Explorer

Here's the proof: [5]. This info on nintendo.com has been released today (10/31), so it's not old news, and it's official. Hope this helps expand the article. :) Darknut Slayer 04:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution, Darknut Slayer. Though this is not a "launch day" list ("Before the end of December, the following titles will be available:"), this can definately be added to the Virtual Console (Wii) article! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
All right, thanks. :) I'll post this information at the Discussion section at the Virtual Console page as well, so someone can edit the main article. Darknut Slayer 04:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Region "Australia" in the Confirmed Launch Games list should read "Australasia" or "Oceania". Picky, I know, but the amount of times New Zealand is thought of as part of Australia is terribly annoying. Also, New Zealand will be receiving "WarioWare: Smooth Moves" and "Elebits" which are currently set to "No" (not receiving it) - proof is at [6]. I am new to Wikipedia so I'm not sure I'm typing in the correct place here, but these changes would be appreciated since I can't change them myself. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by KylePIB (talk • contribs)

A "No" just means it won't be a launch title. Do you have a more reliable source for them being launch games in Australia/New Zealand? Retailers are usually not totally reliable. TJ Spyke 08:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Wait, what? There's something MORE reliable than NINTENDO ITSELF? This is news to me. Perhaps it could be changed to Oceania. Roll call & Vote on it. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 09:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
GamePlanet stores is a Nintendo site? Geez, I wonder why Nintendo would sell an Xbox 360? The source he provided is a retailer in New Zealand. We don't rely on EB Games for release info here in North America, do we?— Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ Spyke (talk • contribs)
I appologise if I was being uninformative. I was referring to the source on the Wii Wiki Itself, not on the talk page. Elebits is not a launch title. This thread is over. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 22:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Processor

Firstly, good call Dancter with the flagging of the Hardware: Processor section.

Supposedly, someone found a link to what the processor "really" is (a 900mHz PowerPC) with a Kotaku Source.

I tracked down the processor they meausured up to it, and put up a link to the source. However, this should probably be discussed and analyzed.

I presented the information. What do you see? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ars Technica presents a decent assessment of the information. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061031-8112.html While a sound case is made for the specs, the same thing could be said of other alleged specs that were rejected by consensus. It's still not a confirmation. I think that we've kept out rumored specs for so long that we might as well just wait a few more weeks until some tech site does the inevitable under-the-hood examination of an off-the-shelf unit. Dancter 06:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It is obvious that Nintendo is not releasing the specs because they appear week to the other consoles - The Wii was not made for very high performance. The Technical specs from IGN were from dev hardware as are technica's. There is no reason to believe they are incorrect. There is a poor double standard being shown here. If only Nintendo's official version is to be included that most of this article needs to be removed. - anon 155.144.251.120 21:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no unfair double standard. IGN, frankly, screws things up. They were the ones that were first reporting that the sensor bar actually has sensors, despite Ars Technica reporting that it's just an LED bar around the same time. They said that the Wiimote had an "eye" that might be able to be used as a megapixel camera, despite it just being an IR sensor for the pointer functionality. That no reliable or semi-reliable source has confirmed IGN's specs just makes it worse. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
They were both right about the eye, it's a generic 1Mpixel CCD camera behind an IR filter. Most cheap CCDs can see into the IR, in fact: I've seen plenty of game show photos of the Sensor Bar with the IR LEDs lit up bright purple.Sockatume 15:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. IGN made no indication that it was an IR eye though. They said it was optical, and that might act like a camera (in function, ie. actually taking optical-light photos), but that's the whole of it. Considering that they left out the LED bit, it was misleading. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I suppose they weren't really clear about it being used as an image sensor rather than an actual camera. Them's the breaks when you report rumours, I guess - their source probably didn't know beyond it being a CCD image sensor.Sockatume 16:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
They also don't state that they know that this chip is the Wii chip. It's a Gekko-like chip being released around the same time as the Wii. It's not necessarily the same thing. It could be, or it could be for some other embedded application that we don't know about. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we wait until we get official specs from Nintendo? Sakamura 21:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

That may be a very long wait. http://wii.ign.com/articles/674/674611p1.html Dancter 21:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Two 'Nintendo Hardware' Templates

There are two templates, one for simply Nintendo hardware, another wfor the Wii specifically with a link to the wiimote underneath. I can't remove the regular Nintnedo one cause the site is locked, just thought I'd say that so it can be removed when the site is unlocked again. --Thaddius 14:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Thaddius. I'll look into this and get back to you in about 5 minutes. :) —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
By the time I was done throwing it out, it had already been taken care of! Removed:
—Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Disc Capacity?

Wii Disc Capacity? What's the storage capacity of a Wii disc, in comparison to DVDs and GameCube discs?

(sorry, this appeared twice for some reason)Kelvingreen 22:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

GameCube discs held 1.5GB of data. Wii discs are basically DVDs in terms of size and storage. Just like DVDs, Wii discs will hold 4.7GB single layer or 8.5GB dual layer. TJ Spyke 22:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this sourced? I don't see it in the article (where it should be!) —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 23:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
So the announcement of the DVD-Wii means little for Wii gamers, as there's nothing a DVD disc can do for games that a Wii disc can't? It's just an added multimedia feature for those who want to watch movies on Wii?
I do think that if sourced info on the storage capacity can be found, it should be added to the tech specs section of the main article (if not already). It's useful, relevant information, I reckon. Kelvingreen 13:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't imagine why Nintendo would go with anything other than DVDs at this point. The hardware is cheap, the discs are cheap, and they don't need any more storage space for the time being. Considering that they were planning on originally having the ability to play DVDs, I find it hard to believe they would've stripped out the DVD-ROM from their design just to replace it with a different type of disc. If anyone can find sources of course that would be nice. --Twile 01:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
How about that fact that you have to license the DVD technology from the DVD Forum? Besides, the discs the Wii uses can hold the same amount of data as DVDs, but the Wii discs won't be as easy to pirate as DVDs (which is the reason I am assuming Nintendo chose to use a propriety disc). Once again though, a Wii disc CAN hold as much data as a PS2/Xbox/XBX360 disc. TJ Spyke 01:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Reference in South Park

Should it be mentioned that in one episode of South Park, Cartman is frozen in ice for over 500 years and when he is unfrozen, the first thing he demands to see is his Nintendo Wii but is told that the people of the year 2500 don't play video games? // Sasuke-kun27 03:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we could just mention that it was obscurely mentioned in South Park under "Wii in popular culture." Which doesn't exist...--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know. There was somethong like that for the DS page, and it got extremely long. Handhelds get more mainstream attention though, so maybe. TJ Spyke 03:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Cartman's whole plot in that episode was around him not being patient enough for the Wii and it is even a multi-parter. With that said, the PSP article doesn't mention the South Park episode it got so I dunno... --Sonic Mew 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I cant see any problems with putting it up, just a small bit like the ninth bright shiner said. --Naota10
Where exactly would this fit within the Wii article? Just64helpin 23:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Sure add a "Wii in popular culture", its not a handheld, even though its unique controller could prove otherwise. A "Trivia" section is certainly not the answer and is not recommended. FullMetal Falcon 01:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It is just a reference. As a matter of a fact, I referenced the "Wii" just this morning in a conversation. I don't need to add it to this article. Rubbicub 02:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

We're talking about Wii references in Popular Culture here, not our personal lives. There's a difference. // Sasuke-kun27 02:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A brief mention on South Park does not elevate anything to "popular culture" status. This passing reference is completely irrelevant to the Wii article. It is, in fact, the antithesis of usable knowledge. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Brif mention"? It was the focus of the entire episode! Since it is at least a 2 part epsiode, that means its going to be the focus of next weeks episode as well. TJ Spyke 03:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Appearance in two South Park episodes (out of 150+) is indeed a brief mention. The choice of Wii for a gaming console was arbitrary, there is no great significance or meaning. In several years no one will care, or even remember, that Wii made an appearance in South Park. These "references in popular culture" sections are nothing but trivia dumps bereft of real content. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that this should be added because it was a main part of this episode, not just a brief mention. There may or may not be future references like this, but I think it is ideal for a section titled "Wii in Popculture" or something of that nature. And there are many wikis with pop culture refereces, so I dont see why this one shouldnt. Saran81kid91 03:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It's rather obvious that those who are saying it shouldn't be added because it was only a brief reference didn't actually watch the episode, otherwise they'd know better; if they did watch it, they weren't paying very close attention. Anyway, considering it was part of the primary plot of a TWO-part show (that means an hour-long episode of South Park revolving around the Wii), it should definitely at least be added somewhere, not necessarily its own section, but somewhere within the article. --pIrish 03:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Even if the creators of South Park were to rename those episodes to "The Wii Happy Funtime Hour", referencing them would be of dubious usefulness. This reference does not actually tell you anything about the Wii console, it only provides trivial information about the South Park episodes themselves. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It does not need to be mentioned. In the article for those particular episodes, of course. But it is just a plot in a cartoon. Nothing huge. Rubbicub 03:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I Think It should be referenced on the Page since the Wii played an Important role in the episode, Take a look at the DS's page they have a reference to pop culture so why can' this page? Dctcool 4th November
The DS page doesn't set the standards. All I am saying is that in my opinion, Just making a cartoon about the Wii does not gain you free publicity on possibly the most hottest wiki page this year. Rubbicub 04:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Other pages have "References in Pop culture" sections, Wikipedia is about providing information to people, but you clearly trying to withold information, Gameboy has one, PSP has one, DS has one, 360 has one,— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dctcool (talk • contribs)
You just added those right now. Not a single one of those articles have a formal consensus to have such a section. Not that it necessarily dictates what is to be done on this article anyway. WP:POINT may even be applicable here. Dancter 05:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
@ Dctcool:I am not with-holding anything. People do not "need" to know that a cartoon was made about the "Wii". It is not Encyclopedia material. If you want to add it, Then you add it. Go Ahead. If you don't want to do what you are standing up for, Then stop convicting me of "with-holding" information! I will not comment any further. Rubbicub 05:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Guys, guys! Take this over to the debate table. Disputed Talk is now Open.—Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

We should only turn to voting as a last resort. While others may disagree, and like the easy, straightforward process, I think most of the recent votes have been either premature or unnecessary. Dancter 15:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Clarification

Near the beginning of the seond paragraph, it says "The key difference between the Wii console and its competition is its wireless controller, the Wii Remote...". What does its competition mean? Maybe it should be its competitors? (Referring to other consoles) --ExterayT.C 03:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo does not even say that the PS3 and XBOX360 are its competition (competition relates to the 360 and PS3. Competitors relate to Microsoft and Sony). However, we know they are, and what you just said is exactly the same thing, less a small unnecessary grammar change. It's fine the way it is. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
It reads more like a declaration of war than anything else. Just64helpin 18:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, to get literal, they aren't necessarily allies in this fight for a gaming monopoly. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing Categories

Editing Categories

The Following sections are under edit: None
When adding opinions, please use the bold headers "support'" or "oppose" if making a point. Please follow this up with why you chose your specific choice.
If you have a comment or question, use the bold terms "comment" and "question" where applicable.


Old

After the Unanimous Support on cutting/shortening the Features: Wii Channels section of the Wii article, I have come up with this short yet informative paragraph. Please talk with me about this paragraph.

Main article: Wii Channels
Result: Unanimous Support
  • Support, Looks alright. TJ Spyke 00:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, Wikipedia works so sloooowly.--Signor 01:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Question, This is an incredibly confusing talk section. Are we voting on the addition of a new section to the article? If so, then why? Just be bold and add it.
Since the text is up for a review, here's a copyedit:
The Wii graphical user interface comprises a selection of channels layed out on a grid. Users gesture with the Wii remote to select individual channels from the grid menu. There are eight primary channels: "Disc Channel", "Mii Channel", "News Channel", "Forecast Channel", "Photo Channel", "Wii Shop Channel", "Internet Channel", and "Virtual Console Channel". ˉˉanetode╦╩ 02:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply, No, we are voting on reducing the various Wii Channels sections into that quote with a link to the Wii Channels page. TJ Spyke 02:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply, Ahh, ok. The pastel boxes were more distracting than informative. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply, lol. My appologies. I meant for the boxes to organize the execution of the information more effectively. It seems to have done the exact opposite! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
It was a very nice effort, but such an elaborate setup is not necessary. This uncontroversial editorial change should have been implemented simply and without much fanfare. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 17:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support--Farquaadhnchmn 13:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support For the 2nd time, yes, go for it. Duhman0009 13:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Italy Launch

According officail site the italian data of lauch is: 7 december 2006 [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.137.42 (talk • contribs)

Whats a USD

Can someone tell me what a USD is because i have no idea.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.71.151 (talk • contribs)

U.S. dollar--76.211.6.191 20:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've linked "USD" to its related article now. Just64helpin 18:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

VC Section

I think that the Virtual Console is more than just a channel and I think it should have it's own subentry in the Features section. Arkhiver 23:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It is just a channel. Besides, there is a article for it at Virtual Console (Wii) (although others have turned it into a mess). TJ Spyke 23:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

System 3 titles are launch titles

The 2 titles I added got removed twice I think now. I don't mind information being removed but I do mind when correct information is removed as it makes the article less useful. Here is the link that I provided (but obviously did not get looked at lol) where it clearly states that they are launch titles. Thanks! :)Jimmy93211 12:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about your trouble mate, a lot a of people here shoot first and ask questions later. This is one of the many problems with Wikipedia, many users feel like the page belongs to them and will remove any editing unless we warn them first, proof or no proof. Plus I Googled for 1 minute and found another site that prooves your added titles: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/thelegendofzelda/news.html?sid=6160830 Duhman0009 13:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh its all cool. Its just that I posted the games as I read it on IGN, someone asked for proof, I gave it too them and then he deleted it?!?lol I thought I should post it in here so it clears the confusion. Thanks 80.229.241.200 18:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I added them back the first time. It sounds like the editor read the part at the bottom saying they would be out by the end of the year, but didn't see that 3 of them will be out for the UK launch. You did the right thing though by providing a source, too often in the past somebody has added or removed games without any proof. TJ Spyke 20:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. I checked your sources and found the System3 games on the bottom first, then I jumped to an obvious and easily assumed, though wrong, conclusion. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Canada Flag, again

I'm afraid I will need to request that the Canadian Flag to be put back. We North Americans unfortunately do not have a flag to represent out continent like Europe. So the Canadian flag should be place right next to the American one (no need to put the date twice). Duhman0009 23:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Just for claryfication, where is it supposed to go? In the Wii userbox-like thing on the right?--Farquaadhnchmn 00:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=85660955&oldid=85626642 Duhman0009 00:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thread1

  • If we did that, we would need a flag for Mexico, at least, and technically the flags or Columbia and Peru. If you guys want to do USA, CAN, and MEX, that could work. Scepia 00:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Usually the US flag represents North America unless the other countries have different release dates. Besides, if we add Canada then why not every other single flag? TJ Spyke 00:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid that a general public view on a flag to represent other countries counts as a personal POV, which is no accepted on Wikipedia. To answer to both you and Scepia, either add all the required flags or just put NA which stands for North America. Duhman0009 01:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I have added all N. American countries to the infobox, so now the flags are on the top line and the date on the second line. Unfortunately they are not all the same size. Scepia 02:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
We should probably substitute a Flag of North America for the most populous North American country, as that seems the most neutral option. Not that neutral, really, but a bit less neutral.--the ninth bright shiner talk 02:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I come from one of those less populous countries and I find this idea to be a discrimination. Duhman0009 02:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't like the idea much myself. Why don't we just change it to "NA" and "SA" until international flags are organized by the two continents.--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with this. Flags are used for the look and because it's far easier to read a flag and realize its resemblance than to see "NA" and understand what it means (though you'd generally realize it anyway, it just doesn't look as good). The United States, Canada and Mexico will never have a flag like Europe does until the Free Trade Area of the Americas act passes, because they are under a trade agreement which combined their money. This is a moot point - back to the topic. Discrimination or not, Wikipedia is not a democracy and is not fair. They are neutral. Spain is seperated from the European Union because they have a different release date. North America is set to United States because they are the bigger country in terms of population. No matter what side you stand on, you have to take this into account, and for space reasons, we have this set up as such. Same with Australia. What this wikibox will NOT turn into is every country trying to get an equal piece of the pie, because 500 countries would be rediculous. However, they are more than welcome to have a piece of the table. It's been tried, and it has failed. However, by all means, Argentina can be happily added. In fact, I'll do that myself. The Wii homepage says nothing about South America. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Your spelling is. -lysdexia 22:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Has everyone (including me) gone paranoid over this conversation, responding every five seconds?--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
What about the Flag of the North American Free Trade Agreement?--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh god. Shoot yourself in the foot! If that actually goes through, I'm moving to Mars. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
This is still for NA alone. And not even passed :P Wii is releasing in NA and SA. Scepia 03:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thread2

Scepia, Peru and Columbia are South American countries (or did you forget you geography?). That was just clutter, having like 5 flags on the same line. TJ Spyke 02:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Indeed there are. I don't know why I tought they were part of Central America (which would have counted for North America). Well in that case, perhaps a SA for South America date should be added. 02:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Duhman0009 02:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Obviously, the USA flag represents South America. Your reasoning is invalid. BTW I changed it to the text NA considering that representing all parties is "just ugly". Scepia 02:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I menat the US flag just representing North America. The most populous South American flag in the range of countries that will be selling Wiis could represent South America. The only truly neutral way would be to organize an international committee for the formation of North American and South American flags.--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but I have to disagree and I'm sure you would also if Canada was the most populous country in NA. Duhman0009 03:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I would, I dunno...please see my comment above.--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I understand you idea, but let's face the 2 facts here: 1- North America does not have a flag to represent it's continent, we're stuck with multiple flags. 2- The US flag does not in any way represent North America, stating otherwise is not only plain wrong but it also brings out discrimination issues. Duhman0009 03:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Not one of my better ideas, thought up on the spot and heavily influenced by another person. I think "NA" and "SA" is the best choice now.--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I would like that as well. I know of some other pages that don't use flags, like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_vii Duhman0009 03:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm disagreeing with the whole "Text" thing, because the reason of the Wii infobox is a smooth reading of quick information. Flags show far more information much faster than writing it out, and thats why it's used. NA and SA not only look disgusting, but they're TRUNCATED. (flag) reads faster than (North America). The infobox is purely cosmetic, and you're smearing marker on it. Why not get rid of it? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
May I re-point out my other comment, in case it hasn't been noticed, about the flag of NAFTA?--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The NAFTA flag only represents NA, not SA too. Plus, that flagicon would have to be created, since the image is 3D. Scepia 03:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
FTAA and NAFTA are disgusting pieces of legislation created by millionaires who wish to merge countries together so they can exploit more workers, makeing costs to employ people drop due to how cheaply they work in Mexico and SA. By what I've read, it FTAA includes South America too. I will never live under that flag of slavery, and neither will this article. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


Whoops, I realized after reading these comments that Peru and Colombia are in fact in S. America :P Using all the flags would be more consistent and less ambiguous. I changed it to NA and SA, and maybe it will stay that way. Scepia 03:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thread3

Tell me everyone, what is wrong with having the five flags on one line and the release date on the next line? They must take up a total 2 KB, and there is no issue at all of discrimination. Scepia 03:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Apparently, it's "ugly" or something, but I don't see much wrong with it. Maybe we could try it in a different, more visually appealing format so everybody's happy.--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
And that would be...? We could do superscript text like on the FF page, but that is not as quick and uglier (as said above) Scepia 03:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The purpose of the textbox is cosmetic. It quickly conveys information, and thats its job. Throwing every country in the nation on the same line when someone can scroll one page down for all the information destroys what the box is trying to convey - ease of information. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
We all understand the USA icon represents NA and SA, but someone who doesn't know this, let alone that the USA is the figurehead for NA, should not have to scroll down to the table. It's all about ease and speed of info. Scepia 03:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Well this is getting us no where >_>. OK, I think Wikipedia must have a dummy page that would allow us to play around and compare results. If so, let's keep in mind that using any single country's flag to represent a continent is wrong. Also, let's try to decide on using flags or abbreviations. Duhman0009 03:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I can understand the South America aspect. If thats your primary case, go right ahead, add a South American country. However, adding any other countries other than the largest in South America would be a detriment to the infobox than a help. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
People please, stop using the excuse of the largest or most popular country. No where in the world does a single country represent the entire continent based on size or population. Wikipedia is suppose to be like a real encyclopedia and real encyclopedias don't use the American flag to represent Canada and Mexico. Duhman0009 04:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Brazil is the most populous country. The Wii has not even been announced for Brazil, so using the Brazil flagicon is totally misleading.

The fact is that there are only 5 countries in the Americas that Wii is being released in (that we know of so far) so it wouldn't be the end of the world to use all of them (at this point at least). In truth, there are only 2 SA countries with known Wii releases. Using two flagicons is not much different from using one, and the former is much more accurate. Scepia 04:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

If we're going to put more flags for NA on this article, the same would have to be done for all the other articles involving releases (ie. game pages, other systems, etc.). This is rediculous, it doesn't really matter. Geez.--Purplepurplepurple 04:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Well I hope you're not American or else your opinion raise a conflict of interest. And regarding others pages, well, one page at the time.Duhman0009 04:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
A "real" encyclopedia isn't online and doesn't have these abilities to talk to others and be able to be up to date 24/7 either. I digress, however, and say if you're going to add Canada, maybe we should put in Russia, Afghanistan, Kazantzakis's, Uzbekistan, etc. etc. etc. Oh, I forgot, you'll have to put every country on this list reguardless of if they have a release date set or not, because if you don't, thats discrimination! Happy attempting to find your country in that. Give me a break! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Objection! Wikipedia's rules and regulation state that everything must be written like a real encyclopedia. Second Objection! These listed countries do not have a Wii launch as of yet. Duhman0009 04:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
You know that the Wii has no current release plans for Russia, correct? You know that we can only have info on countries that have release dates. Don't try to prove a point.

Thread4

I have made a sandbox for the Wii infobox here. Scepia 04:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC) Scepia 04:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, can I play around with that?Duhman0009 04:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, feel free. Just add new possibilites to a new row, below the 3 ideas given. We need all possible ideas. Scepia 04:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Anything in the manual of style about stuff like this?--the ninth bright shiner talk 04:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that matters. It's all about what works in the article, what is most informative, fast, etc. There's no reason to worry about rules when we can do the right thing. Scepia 04:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I suggest we move this discussion to the User Page and vote on it, democracy or not. We won't solve the problem just like this. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Voting is fair as long as it doesn't include the choice of using a single country flag to represent a continent or else everyone will vote for their country's flag. the votes should be for: using abbreviations or different ways to use all the necessary flags.Duhman0009 04:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
That would be even less fair. Any vote where a single flag isn't an option will be considered null and void IMO. TJ Spyke 04:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Alright, then the vote for anyone from the same country counts as 1. Duhman0009 04:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I've edited the All Icons idea, and now it actually doesn't look horrid. Comments, please. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I like the centered design. Duhman0009 05:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW guys, I tried something, what do you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Duhman0009/draft1 Duhman0009 04:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Not bad. But try taking out that space between the Flags of Peru and Japan, if you can find a different way of distinguishing where the first launch date ends and the second begins.--the ninth bright shiner talk 04:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The first one in Scepia's (which is how the article looks now) is best IMO. I don't like the idea of adding in even more flags because that opens up the floodgates to add the flag of EVERY country where the Wii is releasing. Besides, why change a system that already works for video game related articles? TJ Spyke 05:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The places for release are NA, SA, AUS, NZ, IT, EUR, JAP, and SPA. All of them have a respective flagicon, except for NA and SA (NZ is combined into AUS). So really, if we had icon(s) or text for NA and SA we would be totally covered. However, when Ninty releases plans for all those other countries... Scepia 05:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The "All Icons" idea looks okay. Anyways, maybe this system needs some change. It seems unfair to have one country represent others, when it doesn't in any way. We should have everything equally represented, or that leaves the squeak of a non-neutral point of view.--the ninth bright shiner talk 05:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Made some modifications 2 models: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Duhman0009/draft1 Duhman0009 05:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks okay, but...but I'm being overly critical about looks. I was thinking some sort of curly bracket thing (this thing-->}), with the countries on the left and the date on the right. Bah, we could just go with the "All Icons" thing at the sandbox.--the ninth bright shiner talk 05:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't think the Info Box could hold 5 flags in a row with a release date next to it. Anyway, modified again (last time for tonight, going to sleep now) and I think that first one if the best. Even with 11 flags, it's still looks simple. Duhman0009 05:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please vote on the options everyone. I've included Duhman0009's versions in the sandbox. Scepia 05:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

So has no one even suggested
November 19, 2006
yet? (/me ducks). Could look less worse if someone just used Inkscape to cut the continents out of the full-world blank maps. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess nobody has mentioned this here, but there was a discussion about this subject on WP:CVG which has been archived here. You might consider some of the points raised there for this discussion. jaco♫plane 15:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

usb mouse and usb keyboard

will the wii support a mouse and keyboard?

We don't know.--the ninth bright shiner talk 05:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I hope so, but thats the best I can do. ^_~ —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian Launch Titles

I'd just like to try confirm that Australia is getting the two System 3 titles - Gottlieb Pinball Classics and Super Fruit Fall. I'm trying to find a link at the moment, will post one if I find it. The only official confirmation I have at the moment is that my local EBgames has it on their pre-order list. Unofficial links:

http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-gaming/3814-australian-prices.html http://aussie-nintendo.com/?v=dates&sys=4

Could someone edit that for me? 138.130.216.18 07:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Although the Aussie-Nintendo website seems reliable, a forum like wiichat is not. If I were to change the Australian titles based on one site alone, some Stick in the Mud here might revert it back. If you can find something from GameSpot, IGN or anything else with a big name, I'll change it for sure. Duhman0009 15:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Those have both been in the list for the last 3 days. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 01:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
There are there, but it says NO for Australia. Duhman0009 04:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I already knew both of those things, they weren't really needed... doesn't matter anyway, I couldn't find anything using Gamespot, IGN, Nintendo of Australia's website (which usually doesn't have the correct information anyway) or many unknown unofficial sites. Changing it back to unknown would probably be the best thing to do as nothing has said otherwise. 138.130.216.18 07:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii is more important

Alright. Tell me, someone, why 3D Ant Attack, Breath of Fire, and Dreamfall are all rated of more importance than the Wii. Aren't video game consoles of high, or even top importance? It's not even medium. It's low - see Category:Low-importance computer and video game articles. Scepia 09:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't care that it's already been discussed! It is entirely senseless to call some unknown game of high-importance when Wii is low. It's not about being all goody and following the rules mommy gave you. If your goal is to follow the rules, you won't change much, will you? Scepia 16:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how 3D Ant Attack contributes a greater depth of knowledge than the Wii.--the ninth bright shiner talk 16:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Importance in the real world is correlated at least somewhat by interest, and I can tell you that no one is interested in 3D Ant Attack. Millions are interested in Wii. Scepia 16:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
There are quite a number of articles that are not rated correctly. The rating on Talk:3D Ant Attack should not have been high either, but should have been low, I've corrected it. If you disagree with a rating then the best thing to do is to raise it on CVG talk. jaco♫plane 17:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget the context -- importance is relative to the context. The Wii article is of low importance for Wikipedia 1.0 context, but of high importance within gaming context. So which one do we list on the CVG template (which does, after all, say "within gaming"?) --Stratadrake 18:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC).

By those standards, every CVG article would be of low or no importance. If you really wanna do that, feel free, but boy will you be chewed up. These consoles are at least mid-importance. The problem with the "in-gaming" rating is that the WP:1.0 equivalents aren't exactly known, or possible to decide without having inaccuracies. Scepia 19:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think part of the reason PS3 and Wii are Low is because neither are available yet and are still considered future products. TJ Spyke 20:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Guys, you will realize this is low importance to Wiki 1.0 because it's a current event. It is not yet history, and is daily undergoing change. How do you slap that on a CD? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 01:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Italy price

The italy price Is 259€ [8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.53.135.233 (talk • contribs)

Weird... The exact same site, on another page lists the price as 249. Scepia 16:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


Italian newspaper La Stampa

Italian Videogame site

Other Italian Site:

[9] [10]

The Wii Homepage [11] have 8 December 2006 for relase date

It seems that the Italian Wii homepage only has info on the Eurozone launch, wheareas going in a little further to the site and to other sites like those mentioned, it's 259 on December 7. Perhaps due to the Immaculate Conception like the Spanish launch? Scepia 19:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Motive for the relase date: Immaculate Conception

Motive for the Price: IVA

Regarding the Flag debate

Sorry to post this here, but the previous topic we started is way to large. I've added something important on the Flag Debate Sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scepia/Wii_sandbox Duhman0009 21:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Would anyone else agree to a page archive

This discussion page is starting to be huge (last night's debate didn't help :P). Perhaps an archive is in order. Duhman0009 23:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

117 kilobytes? Seems archivable enough.--the ninth bright shiner talk 23:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we mention the kiosks?

Some EB Games or Gamestops have Wii demo kiosks up now.

Isn't that important to mention?

Not by itself, but we could do with a section on Nintendo's promotional efforts. They're making a big deal about the roadshows and the "hands-on" aspect. Sockatume 00:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii-Remote

Well, I thought that I should add input that there are no images of the Wii-Remote present in the article. Since the Wii is primarily based on the Wii-Remote, I am also opinionated that the article should include a photograph of the Wii-Remote. Even the PlayStation 3 article includes an image of the SixAxis, and it looks identical to all other PlayStation controllers.

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