Talk:India

Updation of images in Economy section

The images in the Economy section are too agricultural specific, despite the fact that agriculture now contributes only about 20% of India's GDP. Here are all the images currently in this section:

Image Section 1

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  A1 A farmer in Rajasthan milks his cow. Milk is India's largest crop by economic value. Worldwide, as of 2011, India had the largest herds of buffalo and cattle, and was the largest producer of milk.
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  A2 Agricultural workers involved in Rice planting. Rice production in India reached 102.75 million tons in 2011–12.
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  A3Indian agriculture dates from the period 7,000–6,000 BCE, employs most of the national workforce, and is second in farm output worldwide. Above, a farmer works an ox-drawn plow in Kadmati, West Bengal.
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  A4 Fishermen on the Chinese fishing nets of Cochin. Fisheries in India is a major industry in its coastal states, employing over 14 million people. The annual catch doubled between 1990 and 2010.
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  A5 A washing plant for mined iron ore in Orissa. India's iron ore reserves of 25 billion tonnes comprise 6% of global reserves. India is the world's 4th largest producer and 3rd largest exporter.
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  A6 India's GDP has increased more than ten-fold after the economic reforms in 1991.
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  A7 A daily wage worker in a salt field. The average minimum wage of daily labourers is around Rs.100 per day
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  A8 Schoolchildren in Chambal, Madhya Pradesh eating a mid-day meal. The Mid-Day Meal Scheme attempts to lower rates of childhood malnutrition in India.

• Out of 8 images in this section, 5 (A1, A2, A3, A4 and A7) are related to agriculture / diary / fisheries.
• A8 is of a mid-day deal meal program. This image is a complete mis-fit for this section.
• As evident, the data in caption of most of these images is highly outdated -- from way back in 2010-11.

Image Section 2

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  P1 Agricultural workers in Tamilnadu involved in rice planting

• If the near domination of agriculture in Section 1 wasn't enough, we have another image on paddy cultivation.

Image Section 3

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  B1 The Bombay Stock Exchange is Asia's oldest and India's largest bourse by market capitalisation.
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  B2 Tidel Park, the then largest IT park in Asia when it was opened in 2000.
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  B3 The Delhi Metro rapid transit system and the low-floor CNG buses. Infrastructure in India in the next five years is estimated to bring in $1 trillion in investment, half of it by India's private sector.
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  B4 India has the world's second-largest mobile phone user base of 996.66 million users as of September 2015. Shown here is a rooftop mobile phone tower in Bangalore
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  B5 A vegetable retailer in Tamil Nadu. More than 95% of retail industry in India is unorganised.
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  B6 New under-construction units of Kakrapar Atomic Power Stationin Gujarat. The electricity sector in India has an installed capacity of 346.05 Gigawatt (GW), the world's third largest. Coal-fired plants account for 56% of India's electricity capacity.
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  B8 A container ship at Jawaharlal Nehru Port, Mumbai. International trade accounted for 14% of India's GDP in 1988, 24% in 1998, and 53% in 2008.

• B5 Another image representing agricultural sector
• B4 This is just a mobile tower. How is this image adding any value?
• B3 The image is so crowded. The subjects of the caption (CNG buses and Metro) are not in focus. Very bad image.

I hope that the veteran Wikipedians would understand the point I am wanting to make here. The images badly need an upgrade to accurately depict the rapid industralization of Indian economy, especially in the past 10 years. --King Zebu (talk) 07:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

New Images - Proposal #1

Proposed by King Zebu

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  N1: Replacement for B3 The subject is the focus of the image
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  N3 Propose as replacement for A1. A high quality image which showcases industralization of diary processing sector in India.
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  N4 Propose as replacement for B4. Much more relevant and informative, as compared to just showing a mobile tower. Showcases India's rapidly growing education and training sector which in turn supports India's massive information technology and business process management sector.
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  N5 Propose as replacement for B5. India's organised retail sector deserves to represented because it is growing by 20-25% annually and will reach 18-20% of the total sector by 2020. [1]
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  N6 Propose as replacement for A3 There are no images representing India's industrial sector and the agricultural sector is over-represented.
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  N7 replacement for B2 Infosys Leadership Institute in Bangalore. Apart from representing one of India's premier IT companies, this image also highlights Bangalore, the IT hub of India and one of its largest cities.
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  N8 replacement for A5 There is no image representing science and technology in India and no mention of India's growing role in space launch industry. Besides, A5 is a poor quality and again, the subject is not in focus but is rather in the background.

--King Zebu (talk) 07:46, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I support these image replacement proposals, but N2 doesn't look high quality too me.--ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 09:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your positive response. Regarding N2, it's a graphical representation of India's exports. Several articles (such as, Canada) use these treemaps for graphical representation of a country's exports. But that said, I agree with your viewpoint that the image is not of high quality since some of the text is not readable. --King Zebu (talk) 10:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

• N1 for B3: Yes. N2 for P1: No. N2 is not really an image and we should use images. I agree that P1 needs replacing though. N3 for A1: No. The dairy plant is too generic where BSE is an important building. N4 for B4: Yes (nice picture!). N5 for B5: No. Again, a mall is too generic. Plus, the street vendor market is actually more representative of India than the mall. N6 for A3: No. I'm not averse to replacing the picture but we should look for something more significant. An important factory for instance. N7 for B2: Yes. N8 for A5: Yes (another nice picture). Nice work King Zebu. The pictures definitely need updating so this is very useful. --regentspark (comment) 14:24, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Regent for your kind words :-) Regarding N3, I wanted to replace it with A1 (and not B1) which showcases a dairy farmer milking a cow. I personally don't like A1 at all because it simply doesn't add much value. It's fine if you don't want N3, but in my humble opinion, A1 should be removed. And yes, B1 represents the BSE in Mumbai (India's financial capital) - so it definitely deserves a place in this article. --King Zebu (talk) 17:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

A1 by N3 is ok (the text could say something about the modern dairy plants and the increase in milk production over the last 50 years). --regentspark (comment) 17:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

It has been a week since I proposed these changes and looks like we a consensus here. So, I'll be BOLD and implement the changes. Thanks :-) --King Zebu (talk) 04:38, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@King Zebu: I'm sorry, some of us were away. Sorry, India is not an industrialized country. The agriculture section might contribute only 20% of the GDP, but it employs 60% of the population. It is the largest sector. In any case, services, and not industry comprises the largest chunk of GDP. As for the mechanized dairy farm, seriously, what sort of fantasy are you peddling? Here is the Economic Times, "Nearly 80 per cent of India’s milk production is contributed by small and marginal farmers, with an average herd size of one to two milching animals." See here And out of the output of 80% of India's cows, which are milked by the farmer's own hands, 34% is sold in the unorganized sector and 46% is consumed locally. Again, please don't distort. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:57, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler (talk · contribs) speaking to a fellow editor with respect and good faith is the best way to move forward. Your racist, accusatory and rude attitude towards fellow editors is not acceptable. Again, I will be reporting you. Racism is not acceptable, and racist language like "Hindu garbage" like you used against me. Also note, this article is from 2015, 4 years old. During this period, India added almost 1 trillion USD in its nominal GDP. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 03:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC))

Fowler, a clear consensus had been reached weeks ago. You can simply engage in edit-warring pleading ignorance. For every fact stated in the paras, verifiable, reliable sources were provided. You are requested to disengage from edit-warring. If you have any concerns regarding images, you are to please resolve them on the talkpage before pushing your agenda. --King Zebu (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Fowler, regarding your comments on India not being an industralized country - I believe that you fantasise yourself to be a greater economic expert than Mauro Guillén and Pawel Bozyk who have clearly classified India as among the newly industralized countries. Surely, the agricultural sector continues to play an important role - and why not? After all it has to support more than a fifth of the entire humanity. But to undermine the role of industrial and services sector in India is nothing short of imbecility. And let's even keep that apart, one would be a fool to assume that India became the world's fifth largest GDP in nominal terms without achieving large-scale industrialisation. And in your zeal to push your version of the article, you also reverted content updation to the Economy section wherein latest economic statistics were added - backed by VERIFIABLE, RELIABLE and LATEST sources.

And, I'm not going to claim that you are an imprudent brat (because that would be a violation of Wikipedia:No personal attacks). But going by your racist comments and past edit history, it is quite obvious that you have a clear anti-India and anti-Hindu agenda - and that explains why you push your POV under the guise of half-witted, illogical comments. --King Zebu (talk) 05:00, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Struck out a portion of my reply which was not in good taste. --King Zebu (talk) 06:48, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@King Zebu: I have looked at the discussion above. The following changes seemed to have @RegentsPark:'s consent: B3 to N1, B4 to N4, B2 to N7, A5 to N8, and after initial hesitation, A1 to N3. In the interest of not holding up progress, I will make all but the last of these changes. However, please note that N1 will need to mention Bombardier Transportation, the Canadian company which manufactures these trains, as both the original caption of the image and the image filename primarily refer to Bombardier; Delhi seems to be secondary. I am however not agreeable to A1 to N3, as this is based on an erroneous reading of the sources stemming from confusion between the harvesting or production of milk and its processing. The production is almost entirely, as of 2018, done in small holder farms by hand-milking. In a section below I have exhaustively discussed this. The processing has been done in India since the late 1950s, but has lately picked up pace, as processing units procure more milk from these small holder farms. The production has increased remarkably in the last 20 years, making India the world's largest producer. Still, a large percentage of the milk is consumed locally or in the unorganized sector. Indians themselves are consuming more milk. I am however not agreeable to the textual changes in the Economy section, as they were not discussed on this talk page; indeed King Zebu edit warred with RP to reinstate his initial edit. That will need to be discussed afresh here. Yes, the Economy section needs to be revised, but it can't be done in a few hours. There are complex issues which all need to be mentioned with DUE weight. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

PS I have now made these changes. I too like N7 and N8. Kudos to King Zebu. I have also changed the rotation to one of incrementing every day, rather than randomly being picked for every user each time they logged in. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:04, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

New Images - Proposal #2

Proposed 2 by King Zebu

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  N9: Possible replacement for B8
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  N10: Possible replacement for B8
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  N11: Possible replacement for B8

--King Zebu (talk) 10:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I think both the original B8 and the one you replaced it by can be replaced. But none of these are any better. N11 might work though so, if nothing better can be found, I'd go with that. --regentspark (comment) 17:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

B8 was added on the fly without discussion. It is not there in the current version. N11, however, is too blurry.Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:10, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Good... But I want to know moreabout the northern area after partition DEBORSHI BISWAS (talk) 03:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Numbering system

Following on from this and subsequent edits, the discussion below has been copied from User_talk:Azuredivay#Your_edits_to_India to encourage wider consensus following temporary protection from editing.

Please read Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Opportunities for commonality. It will be better if you get yourself familiarized with Wikipedia guidelines. Also, what part of "discuss this further in talkpage" did you not understand? You should wait for my response atleast before engaging in revert war. --King Zebu (talk) 05:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I did, wiki guidelines do mention context, and in the context of the topic of the article, the numbering does make sense, and I add links to alternate numbering. As for reverts, I did as you did, I wouldn't want people to be devoid of information due to your delay in deciding what you think if the right way to write.

Wiki guidelines at MOS:NUMERAL also mention "Group digits in Western thousands-based style (e.g., 30,000,000; not 3,00,00,000)", which you have ignored again. Please read the manual of style properly before editing further, especially the item stating "Sometimes, the variety of English used in an article may suggest the use of a numbering system other than the Western thousands-based system. For example, the South Asian numbering system is conventionally used for certain things (especially monetary amounts) in South Asian English. This is discouraged in Wikipedia articles by Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Opportunities_for_commonality." Bazza (talk) 10:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Discouraged, not disallowed.

Indeed. And Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Opportunities_for_commonality goes on to say "Use universally accepted terms rather than those less widely distributed, especially in titles. For example, glasses is preferred to the national varieties spectacles (British English) and eyeglasses (American English); ten million is preferable to one crore (Indian English)." It also adds "When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary.", which is not what you have been doing. Also, "With few exceptions (e.g., when a topic has strong national ties or a term/spelling carries less ambiguity), there is no valid reason for such a change.": the South Asian numbering system is not less ambiguous or clear to the majority of English Wikipedia readers, many of whom may not have English as their first language, nor any familiarity with the numbering system concerned. It is good to see that you have refrained from further disruption.​ Bazza (talk) 13:26, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

It looks like I've assumed good faith which you have not earned, and you are still disruptively editing. I've struck out my previous comment. Bazza (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Please do not name it 'disruption' when it isn't withholding information. I'm stating both numbering systems with links to both, seeing how it's an article on India, I'll stick to it being written in both Indian numbering system and the other one.

But you are not doing that. You have repeatedly used two-digit groupings for large numbers (such as population); you redid your change which was reverted with a request (from User:King Zebu) to discuss first which you ignored. You have also ignored the instructions "When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary." which I referred to above. That is disruption. Bazza (talk) 15:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

And you say this while you're ignoring that if those were the violating edits, why were all of my crore (million) edits were removed too. That said, I could do the same with comma separated numbers with INS(Other NS) if that helps my edit be more in line with Wikipedia standards

Pressing "undo" reverts everything in an edit. It's more likely to happen if you make many changes in the same edit; do not provide any useful information in the edit summary; and do not engage in discussion when asked. Having large numeric values specified twice in two different formats is not acceptable: you should use three-digit separation only as specified at MOS:NUMERAL. Your primary use of uncommon number names (such as crore and lakh) ignores Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Opportunities_for_commonality. And you are making all these changes in defiance of "When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary." I do not understand why you persevere in this behaviour. If you do not like the MOS standards then petition to get them changed to suit your preferences rather than persistently edit disruptively. Bazza (talk) 15:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I did provide that information previously, until all of them were ignored. That said, I intend to keep it in Indian numbering system seeing how the article is indeed written in "Indian English" which sees those words as dictionary words.

End of copy Bazza (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Restoring last good version

I suggested to the protecting admin, CambridgeBayWeather, that reverting the disruptive addition was important, especially since there is erroneous information, some of which is in the lead. No action was promised or has been forthcoming. Is it worth trying to get someone to revert before Wednesday, December 26? Dhtwiki (talk) 03:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

What are we referring to when we say "erroneous" information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azuredivay (talk • contribs) 07:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

I put the errors in my post on CambridgeBayWeather's user talk page. IIRC, the lead says that India has a population of 1,200 crore, which equals 12 billion. There's also one other erroneous conversion, farther down, in a section on geological origins, where 7.5 lakh equals 75 million, where obviously crore is meant. Not huge errors, but, esp. the first, apt to puzzle some people and make them wonder at why the article is a featured one. Add to that all the odd usage of digit separators, which is practically unique on WP, although in line with Indian usage. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

All you need for a change is a few people agreeing to it on this talk page. Then use {{edit protected}} — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

This protection is a good example of disruptive mindless administration. I don't know why people feel the need to administer something without doing any proper analysis of the problem.--ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 09:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

The article's improvement was going nowhere. Protecting it for a short period has given a breathing space for calming down, and time for the discussion to be moved from the disruptive editor's talk page to the article's talk page so more people can participate, which seems to have worked. Bazza (talk) 10:00, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any discussion regarding content. This discussion is about the protection policy, not about the content.--ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 10:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

This discussion falls under the heading "Numbering system", the first part of which arose from disruptive content changes. This subsection is about the protection which was applied as a result of those changes. You commented that the protection was applied without due thought to the problem at hand. I disagreed with that because I think the protection has served its purpose, frustrating though it is to the editors involved, including me. I never mentioned "content", only the protection process which has been gone through in this instance. If you are making general comments about protection policies, there are probably better places to get a more productive discussion than on the India article's talk page. Bazza (talk) 10:48, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

I hope we stick to the current edit with Indian numbering system in parallel to the more common one used throughout wiki, as the words are part of Indian English that the page is written in, and add more information without withholding anything or giving any wrong information - Azuredivay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azuredivay (talk • contribs) 20:42, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

This article is not to be confused with Indian English, where your content may have a valid place. This article is not about Indian English, but about India, the country. I don't see any evidence of that this article has been written in Indian English?! --ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Read the top, the article IS in Indian English, with local numbering making more sense to local readers, for other readers the other numbering is provided as well. This serves more people as more understand the context and gravity of what is being talked about. - Azuredivay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azuredivay (talk • contribs) 13:43, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Mr. Azure, firstly please sign your comments on talkpages. Secondly, I urge you to look at the other side of the coin. While you do have a point in promoting Indian numbering system, especially on India-related articles - your strategy of including both Indian and Western numbering system is flawed. Including both numeral systems unnecessarily lengthens the text and creates more confusion. It doesn't add ANY value to the article and besides, vast majority of English-speaking Indians are anyways aware of Western numbering system (millions & billions vs. lakhs & crores). This the main India article and needs to be to-the-point. Tomorrow, someone will start pushing Hinglish in an attempt to "make sense to local readers". Please provide evidence to backup your claim that English-speaking Indians cannot make sense of millions and billions. Lastly, Wikipedia policy clearly discourages usage of inconsistent terminologies and since the vast consensus here is against your proposed changes, maybe you should take a rest. --King Zebu (talk) 08:22, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I thought there was a policy or guideline that explicitly mentioned idiosyncratic Indian numerical expressions as exceptions to adhering to Indian English in an article but could not find such. If there is one, perhaps it could be pointed out. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

MOS:NUMERAL states "Sometimes, the variety of English used in an article may suggest the use of a numbering system other than the Western thousands-based system. For example, the South Asian numbering system is conventionally used for certain things (especially monetary amounts) in South Asian English. This is discouraged in Wikipedia articles by WP:Manual of Style § Opportunities for commonality.", and provides some more instructions including "Group digits in Western thousands-based style (e.g., 30,000,000; not 3,00,00,000)". Bazza (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

That must be it. Thank you. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Having being educated in India for the most part, I know western numbering is a part of CBSE's curriculum which is followed by most Indian schools, it Is not the numbering we use in Maths/English, anything beyond knowing that "this is what western numbering is and this is how you can convert". My sole reason for this change is the fact that me, like most other Indian readers, spend a big chunk of our time converting millions to lakhs/crores as the former does not accurately show the "gravity" of the number in question. That said, my intention of having both numbering system does NOT increase the article length to the point where it is disruptive to read. And it does help more readers understand what is being talked about. - Azuredivay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azuredivay (talk • contribs) 16:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

What is disruptive is that your conversions were wrong in at least two instances and there have been two or three posts here, outside those of the regular group, trying to correct one of them. Never mind your obstinacy in thinking the article should be the way you want it, in spite of those who should have alerted you to the fact that your point of view is an unusual one and never mind the full protection of one of the most frequently accessed articles on Wikipedia, which I think may be unique in my experience. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:01, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Languages spoken in India:

Malayalam language from Kerala Tamil language from Tamil Nadu Hindi India's national language Marathi language from Maharashtra Telungu language from Andhra Pradesh Punjabi language from Punjab Bengali language from West Bengal Kannada language from Karnataka — Preceding unsigned comment added by I 1!WOW (talk • contribs) 14:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2019

Let me edit India I 1!WOW (talk) 14:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Not done: It is not possible for individual users to be granted permission to edit a semi-protected article. You can do one of the following:

• You will be able to edit this article without restriction four days after account registration if you make at least 10 constructive edits to other articles.
• You can request the article be unprotected at this page. To do this, you need to provide a valid rationale that refutes the original reason for protection.
• You can provide a specific request to edit the article in "change X to Y" format on this talk page and an editor who is not blocked from editing the article will determine if the requested edit is appropriate.

Thanks, ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2019

Change "The earliest authenticated human remains in South Asia date to about 30,000 years ago." to "The earliest known human remains in South Asia date to about 30,000 years ago." Less wonky. ..... Sahil dhara ..... (talk) 14:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2019

Sorry to bother you again, but I noticed that under the History > Modern India section, there is a floating bullet point underneath the header with a link to History of the Republic of India. Shouldn't it also be like the other section, i.e. something like Main article : History of the Republic of India ? Sahil D (talk) 11:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Fixed with the {{main}} template. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 20:26, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Official Languages of India

As per the constitution of India , India has 22 official language with equal footings. This has been established by the High Court of Gujarat verdict in 2010. India does not have a national language. The working language in Union Parliament is English and Hindi and the official language in the High Court and Supreme Court is solely English.

There has been some discrepancies regarding this by some editors of Wikipedia.

Courts verdict and Constitution of India is the sole basis of recognizing the official languages not public opinion. If wikipedia promotes public opinion it can amount contempt of court and constitution and Wikipedia can be held liable for the sites it operates in India. This is a serious charge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengalurumaga (talk • contribs) 13:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

More important is that you are now edit warring to introduce your version, you need to gain consensus here first before adding it, it would be polite to revert your changes until you gain such consensus. MilborneOne (talk) 13:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

First of all Bengalurumaga,Republic of India only has 2 official languages while it recognizes 22 regional languages which may be used by states for thier official purposes.Dont mislead the community by citing wrong court orders.This is not less than crime too.Y The court in its order said "Part XVII of the Constitution deals with Official Language. Under Article 343, official language of the Union has been prescribed, which includes Hindi in Devanagari script and English." The Gujarat High Court clearly mention Devnagri Hindi and English as two official languages of the country while quashing the presence of Hindi as a national language. Srijanx22 (talk) 20:17, 04 February 2019 (UTC)

Please note that this was discussed exhaustively nearly 12 years ago in Talk:India/Archive_12#Secondary_sources: (the 15 source, not the 21), in the days when India page editors had the stamina for fully delving into linguistic nuances. Note also that I received the Tiger Award for my labors. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

New Section for Science and Technology

Hello everyone, I would like to propose a new section for Science and Technology which would cover IPR records, Indian Space Program and other sort of notable advances.

Although well behind developed world and upper middle income economies, India maintains very high number of intellectual properties and patents per capita, ranking of academic institutions, number of Ph.D. scholars annually, high R&D budget, a highly diversified economy with relatively better rank in Economic Complexity index and a respectable rank in Global innovation index compared to any other lower middle income economy. Other significant area to cover would be Indian national space program instead of creating new section. Regards Aman (Talk) Jan 22nd,2019

Please refer to the frequently asked questions at the top of the page where it indicates that current consensus is not to include a Science and Technology section(s). MilborneOne (talk) 09:56, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I say write one up here in talk and we can see what it looks likes.... frequently asked questions is very outdated and the country project no longer holds this position and encourages any section that holds benefits for our readers.... was a local consensus that didn't fly very well with the rest of the community during FA and GA reviews.--Moxy (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Image rotation

In the new system of image rotation, the page has to be recompiled once every day for the images to change, preferably soon after the day changes (in universal time). The program picks up the current day of the year (starting with January 1 = 0, and December 31 = 364 or 365 (in a leap year). It then computes modulus of this number with respect to the number of images in the image set, and the image corresponding to that modulus is picked for display. (The old one was random, so it randomly changed (or did not change) every time anyone went to the page's URL and it was different for each editor. That clearly was no way to show the full extent of the images.) I have added a commented out date at the top of the page. If people generally remember to change that date to the current date, after the date changes in Universal Time (at the top right of the page; for example right now it is 00:54:45) the images will keep rotating. I hope this is OK. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

PS I have already changed it for 22 February, so compiling it in the next 23 hours will not change the images. However, tomorrow, once the date changes in UTC, if you change the commented out date, and save your edit, or for that matter save any other edit, the images will change in each rotation set (they will increment by one). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed protection applied indefinitely

I have applied indefinite ECP to this article under the discretionary sanctions for all India, Pakistan and Afghanistan related topics due to vandalism still getting through despite semi-protection and a long history of disruption, poorly sourced editing, cluelessness and edit warring. The concerns raised at this discussion apply here as well and are noted, however I do not presume the outcome of that discussion. MER-C 12:35, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2019

Standalone Workstation (talk) 01:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Roadguy2 (talk) 02:07, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 March 2019

2409:4063:211A:B571:0:0:2579:28A4 (talk) 05:32, 6 March 2019 (UTC)