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December 2

advertisments

can you guys just use advertisements already, i dont care its just a way of life on the internet i just ignore them anyways, no one cares about adds ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.148.248.162 (talk) 21:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean advertisements from third parties, posted on wikipedia pages for revenue? No. Any ad would bring the appearance of conflict of interest. Any ad would encourage editing of the subject's page by biased actors. Advertising also eats up usage on people's data plans, which disproportionately affects information access to the poor and those in underserved areas. Temerarius (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WMF (formerly the organization we formed to delegate some infrastructure and paperwork tasks to, but now our corporate overlord) is getting far too much revenue already and we should be looking for ways to make it get less rather than more. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 22:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You ignore ads and you don't care about them. Yet, despite this, you want us to use them. Do you see a gigantic mismatch there? I do. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The OP must be lonely. He could fix that by encouraging telemarketing calls to his phone. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Advertising and Wikipedia:Funding_Wikipedia_through_advertisements.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:19, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What the OP is referring to is the irritating advert by Wikipedia that pops up every few weeks asking us to make donations to help save Wikipedia. I would guess that if Jimmy Wales wants his baby saved he has enough to pay for it himself. Further to this, all that really needs to be paid for is the website domain and the housing and servicing of the servers, which could be moved somewhere much more cost effective that the USA. Thanks. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 10:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how you read that into the OP's post. He's actually complaining that there aren't advertisements, not complaining about the occasional fund-raising banner (which is a notice, not an advertisement, and I think can be turned off anyway). --Viennese Waltz 10:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I interpret the IP's complaint about there not being ads as an implicit complaint that there are banners (else why complain at all). However, it's a debatable nuance.

As an IP user myself, I can't turn off the banners by default, but despite using the site on a daily basis I don't think they appear annoyingly often, they don't bother me in the slightest, and they can be closed with a single click. My suspicion is that people who do complain about them feel guilty about not responding to them: I assuage my conscience with the thought that I regularly contribute with expertise rather than money. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.178 (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't rule out the possibility that the OP is being sarcastic. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about logged in users, but if you are an IP like me, the nonstop "please donate to us" banners are getting larger and larger. The current one takes up my entire monitor - a full screen banner begging for money so Wikipedia can avoid using ads. What's next? Auto-play videos? The banners are getting worse and worse which, in my opinion, is why this person would prefer small ads that are easy to ignore instead of a massive banner that you can't get rid of. 135.84.167.41 (talk) 13:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would be interesting to hear back from the one-shot IP that started this section. I don't know about banners taking up the entire screen. If so, there's nothing anyone here can do about it. You could take your concerns to Wales' talk page and see what he has to say. Can you make a print-screen of one and upload it? (Of course, if all else fails, you could create a registered account.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can tell you that I was absolutely planning to donate $25,000,000,000 to Wikipedia, just this moment actually, but ever since ol' Jimmy popped up on a little corner of my monitor asking for the cost of a cup of coffee to keep the servers up, I felt eternally insulted and vowed to never furnish a single penny to the Satan-incarnate that is Wikipedia ever again. Mind you, I could easily have logged in and spared myself the immeasurable migraine, but as the immortal Groucho Marx once said, "Whatever you're for, I'm against it." And now I can sit back in my adirondack chair, sipping my Arnold Palmer, smug and content with the knowledge that without my precious donation, Wikipedia will suffer greatly.--WaltCip (talk) 18:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I use adblock to hide the banners. And imho the WMF is currently overfunded, allowing it to pursue programs orthogonal to or to the detriment of wikipedia. And yes Virginia there is such a thing as overfunding. There is plenty of funding to keep the servers up. The additional money is being spent on stuff that's not merely wasteful but actually harmful. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The additional money is being spent on stuff that's not merely wasteful but actually harmful." Like what please? I would be very interested to know. Thank you. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 09:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How about using Wikipedia as a tool to keep a congressman from discussing a proposal to hinder online illegal file trading? It is well documented that the Mediawiki team used multiple servers they own around the world to voice support for blacking out Wikipedia, making it appear that there was overwhelming support for the idea. To ensure they were the majority voice, the discussion was done over a holiday weekend, when most users would not login and have no knowledge of the discussion. How is censoring discussions in the United States government considered a "good" use of Mediawiki funding? 135.84.167.41 (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've told a pretty outrageous story there. Can you provide somewhere I can read more about this? --Jayron 32 14:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Preferably a reliable source.--WaltCip (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SOPA. That is why I left Mediawiki. It was a farce, all done to pump Jimbo's ego. 135.84.167.41 (talk) 14:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. So they did one thing 8 years ago you personally disagreed with, and so you've written off the entire project. Two things. 1) That doesn't sound like a particularly healthy way to interact with a giant, diverse, and evolving movement and 2) You're still here. Can't have been that big of a deal to you if you keep coming around. --Jayron 32 15:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the IP. Perhaps Jayron can stop carrying the MediaWiki's water. 107.77.215.175 (talk) 15:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware that I was carrying anyone's water. Again, no one asked you to be here. If the Wikipedia project you are currently spending time contributing to is offensive in someway to you, you don't have to be here. You can just not load the website, not make comments on discussions, etc. --Jayron 32 15:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was, indeed, nearly 8 years ago that the anti-SOPA blackout occurred. How time flies. That thing violated Wikipedia's own rules about disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. However, SOPA was a foot in the door for Big Brother government, and thankfully it was shelved. As to abandoned ("useless") WMF projects, I know there have been some, though the only thing that comes to mind was something about an editing option. I expect Wikipediocracy has plenty of info on the subject of aborted WMF projects. Maybe the editor making that complaint could review Wikipediocracy and report back here. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not that one event was or was not a good idea is perhaps something that individual people can arrive at on their own, and really not the purview of this board. There's probably some room for debate on the matter, and there's likely a wide range of opinions on it. However, the idea that, regardless of that, a singular event from that long ago would somehow invalidate the work of the millions of editors on all of the various language Wikipedias, the other projects like Wiktionary, etc. boggles the mind. Many of the people who may or may not have been involved in the movement at that date may or may not even be involved today, and Wikipedia has largely kept producing content over all of those 8 years, and to claim that such work of all of those millions of people makes them complicit (after the fact) in a single event that one disagreed with is just ridiculous. And if one did feel that way, to continue to patronize said project also boggles the mind. --Jayron 32 17:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mediawiki turned him into a newt. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As expected, the IP who initially raised the question never came back. Maybe it's time to shut down this section. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kainaw has been hanging out and telling ridiculous stories (like their account being 'shadow banned' or them being multiple people in a hospital) since they 'abandoned' Wikipedia over SOPA. I don't expect that to change any time soon. Nil Einne (talk) 03:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is that you, user:Kainaw? Matt Deres (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SOPA keeps coming back in one form or another and they will probably make it stick eventually. However, the SOPA blackout was perfectly in line with our mission, which is to be a pro-free-content activist project (our neutrality policy applies to article content, not to the project as a whole). WMF among other things has conflated writing an encyclopedia with running a giant web site. Anyway this topic ought to be discussed more someplace, but per Bugs, this isn't the place for it. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say that, Jayron did. And blocking access to Wikipedia for a day violates WP:POINT. As to SOPA, there is certainly value in protecting copyrights - which is something Wikipedia itself tries to do. The complaint about SOPA at that time was that it could go too far. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to your comment about shutting down this section, i.e. this topic is being discussed in the wrong place. Wikipedia has never sought to eliminate copyright, but SOPA went ridiculously overboard and was a far greater threat to Wikipedia than the blackout could have ever been. See Lessig's book Free Culture (book) for pre-SOPA historical and constitutional analysis, and Stallman's story The Right to Read about where the SOPA sponsors want us to go. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 3

Question about Samsung blu ray players

Are Samsung blu ray region free code? Can they play dvds from england? 173.181.26.32 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RDC might be a better place to ask that. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It will depend on the model. Here is one at Amazon that is multi-region: [1]. RudolfRed (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

Italian land Item

What is the purpose and use for the two items shown here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/73010+Eurovillage+Province+of+Lecce,+Italy/@40.3247616,17.8117234,6029m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x1346999b6faf8771:0xe65a519295e33f01!2s73010+Porto+Cesareo,+Province+of+Lecce,+Italy!3b1!8m2!3d40.260374!4d17.8930913!3m4!1s0x134690dd5fdb2ad7:0xd5db3d01d5344eab!8m2!3d40.3057781!4d17.8210258

The first an most obvious is the almost(?) perfect circle and the second in much smaller and to the right and is oval. Are there race tracks? Is so they appear to be HUGE! Thanks. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 10:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's the Nardò Ring. --Wrongfilter (talk) 10:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Danke. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 14:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ontrac package delivery

Anyone have experience with them? I'm expecting a package from southern California that was supposed to be delivered yesterday. They updated their tracking page around 8am yesterday saying the package had arrived at their Hayward, CA depot but delivery was delayed by a wikt:linehaul mechanical issue ("linehaul" per wiktionary is a truck route between distant cities, but Hayward is about 20 miles from here). They kept predicting a yesterday delivery until 11pm yesterday, then updated it to "next business day" and now they say today by end of day, but their "end of day" is 9pm. I called their 800 number and gave up waiting on hold after 26 minutes.

Do they just suck? Is it unreasonable to think that if they had trouble with a truck in Hayward, they could have just rolled out another truck instead of possibly messing up deliveries for the whole bay area? I had figured an 8am problem in Hayward could result in a few hours delay, not a whole day.

As of this morning the package was at another depot around 10 miles from here. I could easily pick it up at the depot if they could tell me it was still there. Whenever I've had issues with Fedex or UPS, I've always been able to get them on the phone. Maybe semi-rant but maybe someone has dealt with this. I'm not in a dire hurry for the package but would like to have some idea of when they are going to bring it, since if it's after 7pm I may have to make arrangements for them to get into the facility and that's not so easy since they don't answer the phone. Thanks. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 22:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added: lol, they guarantee to refund/credit the shipper for late deliveries, unless for a bunch of causes including mechanical delays.[2] IOW they disclaim responsible for keeping their own trucks in operating condition. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 23:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reached them on the phone, about 28 minutes hold time, now they say there is another 24 hour delay so it takes them a full day to move the package 10 miles to here, after taking a full day to move it 20 miles from Hayward to the more nearby depot. This is an overnight shipper, lol. They say they are delivering til midnight or 1am because of volume. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 00:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't know much about the industry, my impression is at this time of the year, most courier or postage services are operating at maximum capacity and so it is likely to be quite difficult to simply find a a spare truck, not to mention if the truck broke down on route, you'd need to find some way to unload it and load this spare truck. Also, customer service operations are likewise experiencing very high demands, so call answering times will likely be delayed although it is likely also true that the fancier more expensive operations will respond faster. Depending precisely on the size of the operation and how their customer service operates (is it nationwide, or over a more restrictive area of their operation), a break down which causes delays may also have a reasonable impact on their customer services. Nil Einne (talk) 06:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The package came today so I'm less annoyed now. Some parts of the above make sense, other issues with the shipper still seem silly, but I'll stop worrying about it. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 22:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 5

Wikipedia shut down?

Are you guys shutting down? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:443D:2D33:8F18:8385 (talk) 00:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who put that idea in your head? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Make a wish, it might come true. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 01:28, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your asking people to donate money it seems as if your going to shut down? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:443D:2D33:8F18:8385 (talk) 03:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nah. Wikipedia has been annoying people with those notices for a very long time. Feel free to donate, or ignore. HiLo48 (talk) 03:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And according to Wikipediocracy, WMF has gazillions of dollars. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If Wikipediocracy uses "gazillions" in its numbering system, then it is demonstrably not a reliable source for anything. But we already knew that. Instead, take a look at the references in Wikimedia Foundation, which assert that current income exceeds current expenses by about US $20 million per year, and that the foundation has an endowment of about US $35 million. That being said, these are small dollar amounts compared to the income and spending of other Top Ten websites. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Locomotive shield (?)

Some have it ...

... some don't

What is the purpose of the side-shield-thing that are on some, but not all steam locomotives (even the same type)? 107.15.157.44 (talk) 03:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They're called Smoke deflectors. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Bugs -- Wikipedia really does have an article on everything! 107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And it even has one on that: Wikipedia:WHAAOE. I can't remember whose "completeness" theorem is the best description of this situation. DMacks (talk) 06:53, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gödel? 107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Löb?John Z (talk) 09:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One quick question

I just have one quick question i asked this not long ago but i'd like to know just two things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_diet#Harvard_School_of_Public_Health I'm following this diet and find it to be rather effective id just like to know it says try to avoid red meat when they say that do they mean avoid it or is that not what they are saying? Last question is artificially sweetened drinks i understand why they are recommending them but are they recommending energy drinks or soft drinks its hard to know what they are recommending because artificially sweetened drinks aren't they present in most drinks? Or i might be wrong. Someone please reply when you can. -- 110.151.188.8

Saying "try to avoid" is the same as "avoid if possible". As to soft drinks, you can get around that problem by sticking to water. Any concerns you have about any of this subject, see your doctor. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Hey, those are two questions, not one!

By "avoid red meat", they mean "eat as little red meat as possible". Red meat consumption, and especially processed red meat (sausages, etc.), is strongly correlated with increased mortality and morbidity. No, this doesn't mean the occasional hamburger or hot dog will kill you, but anything more than one to two servings a week is inadvisable. Note that a "serving" has a particular size; a dish may contain multiple servings of an ingredient. As for the advice to choose artificially-sweetened beverages over sugary beverages, they mean avoid beverages with added sugar (non-diet sodas, etc.). A product's nutrition label will tell you whether it has sugar added, assuming you live somewhere nutrition labels are mandated. Artificial sweeteners are used in place of sugar as a sweetener; they're generally not present in drinks with sugar. "Energy drink" and "soft drink" are marketing terms and don't mean much in terms of nutrition, other than that "energy drinks" often contain higher amounts of caffeine. Most big "energy drink" and "soft drink" brands offer both sugar-sweetened and artificially-sweetened versions. (I found your previous question by searching the archives for "artificially sweetened". Apparently people overlooked that part of the question.) --47.146.63.87 (talk) 06:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, the other funny thing is they say limit foods high in saturated fat and I've looked at foods high in saturated fat seen in animal fat products such as cream, cheese, butter, other whole milk dairy products and fatty meats but do they mean eat Many prepared foods are high in saturated fat content, such as pizza, dairy desserts, and sausage as well or not? I'm not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:443D:2D33:8F18:8385 (talk) 07:01, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What you should focus on is getting your fats from polyunsaturated fats and monounsaturated fats. Saturated and trans fats should be avoided where possible, and instead one should focus getting your dietary fats from unsaturated fats. --Jayron 32 13:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you offering medical advice?--WaltCip (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's common knowledge. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, are you? --Jayron 32 15:51, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the "common knowledge" that cholesterol or saturated is unhealthy and polyunsaturated healthy is still in dispute, one partly reflected in our articles on Saturated fat, Saturated fat and cardiovascular disease and Lipid hypothesis, say. To identify my position here - IMHO the disputers' criticisms adhere to higher scientific and logical standards than the mainstream hypotheses. The disputers appear to be very slowly gaining ground. E.g. cessation of lowering cholesterol intake in official recommendations. The now accepted recommendation against trans fats (which are unsaturated) came from such skeptics like Mary Enig.John Z (talk) 09:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The evidence of a link between high saturated fat intake and chronic diseases is quite strong. The abandoning of recommendations on cholesterol intake was based on newer evidence that ingested cholesterol mostly just "substitutes" for endogenous cholesterol production by the liver, and thus doesn't have much of an effect on blood cholesterol or lipoprotein composition. True, the previous lack of attention to trans fats was bad, born of a failure to investigate the differences between how trans and cis fatty acids affect the body. There's also some evidence that non-manmade trans fats may not be as harmful as the "artificial" ones produced by partial hydrogenation. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 11:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The evidence of a link between high saturated fat intake and chronic diseases is quite strong." That is what is in dispute. A minority says the majority's arguments are empirically and logically defective and ignores contrary evidence. It's not going to be resolved here. Though this movie: Sleeper (1973 film) indicates which side is right. :-)John Z (talk) 22:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That’s why they say Choose foods containing healthy fats. Plant oils, nuts, and fish are the best choices. Limit consumption of saturated fats, and avoid foods with trans fat. But when they mean limit consumption of saturated fats what I mean to ask is would they mean limit foods with high saturated fat like animal fat products such as cream, cheese, butter, other whole milk dairy products and fatty meats but do they also mean eat Many prepared foods are high in saturated fat content, such as pizza, dairy desserts, and sausage as well or not? I'm not sure whether they are recommending to eat both or one of them is what I’m asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:A58B:3CF6:FE59:DCB7 (talk) 13:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, prepared foods are usually high in trans fats or saturated fats themselves, both of which should be minimized. The recommendation to choose "healthy fats" noted there refers to monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats, and you were referred to both of those articles previously. You can find out about sources for those fats in those articles. I would recommend you read them to learn about those foods. --Jayron 32 14:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I realise prepared foods have trans fats in them but do animal fat products such as cream, cheese, butter, other whole milk dairy products and fatty meats have trans fats in them too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750a:500:2c14:f765:19fb:47b2 (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See Trans_fat#Presence_in_food. Dairy has a small percent of naturally occurring trans fats. Hydrogenation inside the cow. But "by far the largest amount of trans fat consumed today is created by the processed food industry as a side effect of partially hydrogenating unsaturated plant fats (generally vegetable oils)."John Z (talk) 09:14, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some do, in small amounts, but the specific trans fats are different than those added to some processed foods and they may not be as much of a health issue. Regardless, limiting consumption of these foods is recommended anyway due to their saturated fat content. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 11:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you I’m just trying to understand if the diet is recommending saturated fats in limited amounts when they mean saturated fat would they be recommending both prepared foods pizza, dairy desserts, and sausage and animal fat products cream, cheese, butter, other whole milk dairy products and fatty meats or just one of them??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:8421:C01E:40A6:35A7 (talk) 10:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They say choose foods with healthy fats limit saturated fats and avoid transfats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:8421:C01E:40A6:35A7 (talk) 10:44, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They're echoing the recommendations of other bodies such as the World Health Organization (as detailed in saturated fat) to consume as little saturated fat as possible. There is strong evidence of a link between saturated fat consumption and chronic disease. Saturated fat is mostly found in animal foods (meat, cheese, etc.). --47.146.63.87 (talk) 11:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that but my question is Harvard school of public health when they’re saying limit consumption of saturated fats are they recommending both animal products cream, cheese, butter, other whole milk dairy products and fatty meats and prepared foods pizza, dairy desserts, and sausage or just one out of both of them?????

I don't know how many times we can repeat this before you believe it. The recommendation is clear and unambiguous. Avoid saturated fat. Avoid trans fat. Eat healthy fats, which leaves unsaturated fat as mentioned above. If you want to know which specific foods have those fats, read the Wikipedia articles. If your keep asking the same questions, you're going to keep getting the same answers.--Jayron 32 06:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But it’s not saying to avoid saturated fat it’s saying to limit it. That’s why I asked. I realise that but my question is Harvard school of public health when they’re saying limit consumption of saturated fats are they recommending both animal products cream, cheese, butter, other whole milk dairy products and fatty meats and prepared foods pizza, dairy desserts, and sausage or just one out of both of them????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:750A:500:443F:E8CB:3EBD:A0A9 (talk) 06:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The advice suggests to limit saturated fats. It does not say to only limit them from one category of food, nor to eliminate saturated fats from sausages or pizza or whatever but limit them from cheese or butter. However they also give other advice, like that on processed foods, which also play into the consumption of such foods. Nil Einne (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If the above foods you list contain saturated fats or trans fats then yes, you should limit consumption of them, according to the recommendations so noted by the Harvard School of Public Health. You're getting awful worked up over the difference between limit and avoid here. Limiting to zero is still limiting. The deal is the HSPH recognizes that saturated fats may not be entirely avoidable so it recommends limiting here; this is different from trans fats which are mostly man-made and can be almost entirely avoided by not eating prepared foods that contain them. In other words, some otherwise healthy foods that contain small amounts of saturated fats probably cannot be entirely avoided. The use of "limit" in the place of "avoid" here is not an indication to "eat as much as you want". --Jayron 32 13:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia user contributions

How do I view the contributions of users that aren't me? Primal Groudon (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here's one way: Go to your own contribs page, select "search for contributions", put the other user ID in place of your own, and hit "search". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Primal Groudon and Baseball Bugs: Another way is to go to the user's page and follow the 'User contributions' link. --CiaPan (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's even easier. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:01, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups.—eric 16:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

Is eliteprospects.com a reliable source?

Is eliteprospects.com a reliable source? I would like to know because if it is, I can fix some stuff up. Neverbuffed (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to ask at WP:RSN. That's the clearing-house for such questions. And you'll also need to ask properly: reliable for what? Different sources are reliable for different things, so be prepared to have some facts/assertions/topics that it might be cited to support. Elizium23 (talk) 22:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 8

Epstein

Calls for speculation ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Many people seem to agree that Epstein didn't commit suicide. What happened then? Is it most likely that prison staff killed him or that he was visited by his killer? If some people are so powerful to do it, are they also powerful enough to control the aftermath investigation? Ericdec85 (talk) 05:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note: WP:BLPREMOVE requires the following: Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that:

is unsourced or poorly sourced;
is an original interpretation or analysis of a source, or a synthesis of sources (see No original research);
relies on self-published sources, unless written by the subject of the BLP (see #Using the subject as a self-published source); or
relies on sources that fail in some other way to meet verifiability standards.

It does not matter where on Wikipedia the information might be, even talk pages and the Reference Desk fall under the BLP policy. Elizium23 (talk) 05:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ericdec85—your are implying that "one of the oldest Ashkenazi Jewish family names" was killed. Do you have a reliable source to support this? Bus stop (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it was the notorious Epstein–behind-bars virus what done him in. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I got my news from this source. Bus stop (talk) 17:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody except conspiracy theorists believe it was murder. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Need a citation for that; oh that's easy. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't believe it was suicide. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 16:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How many conspiracies does one need to believe in before one becomes a conspiracy theorist? Is a person who commits his first murder not yet a murderer? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It only takes one. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ericdec85: "Many people seem to agree"...? {{Who}}? --CiaPan (talk) 10:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one has linked them yet: WP currently has two articles on the topic: Death of Jeffrey Epstein and "Epstein didn't kill himself". (The discussion about merging the two articles can be found here). ---Sluzzelin talk 16:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of which has solid evidence of homicide. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to the page header: "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions, or debate." No one here has secret inside knowledge about Epstein, and even if we did this wouldn't be the appropriate forum for it. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

Kiel Canal

Does anybody know what the wooden articles on the opposite bank in this image are used for? They appear to be logs bolted together. The water in the Kiel Canal. Thank you in anticipation. Richard Avery (talk) 22:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edited to provide a heading. Great question BTW. Thanks. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 10:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure at all, but they may be part of disused dolphins. This picture in Der Spiegel shows a worker sawing up de-commissioned dolphins which had been infested and destabilised by Teredo navalis (naval shipworm). The wood pictured in Der Spiegel came out of the same body of water seen on Richard Avery's picture, the Kiel Canal. The Spiegel slide show is about marine invasive species; apparently this shipworm has adapted to less saline water during the past decades. ---Sluzzelin talk 10:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Anton for correcting my slip. And thank you and well done Sluzzelin for great detective work. That looks convincing. Richard Avery (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that some of them appear to be capped, kind of like in File:Dykdalb.jpg. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

Article editing assistance

I was hoping to find a veteran editor to help modify an article. My IT skills are somewhat lacking and so I was hoping someone could help me make sense of the maze that is citing a reference. Please see Milton Keynes section Crime. Thanks. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 15:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the referencing format (basically, it was lacking a few pointed brackets). Note: I did not check the references, only fixed the formatting. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry, didn't notice the refs were missing some more info. Will do it now. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Anton. I now restored the article to status quo ante. None of the three sources you provided confirmed what you wrote. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anton check out Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user and try to find someone there. --Kharon (talk) 06:43, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]