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Article creation

There have been two AFDs involving this subject: here and here. Editors must decide if the added content is enough to address the concerns about notability. For reference, here is a version of the latest redirected article. --NeilN talk to me 20:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Plz change the cover photo of jimin in wiki and change it into a current one Aprillee1197 (talk) 12:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Help

If you'd like I can start helping you as you compile stuff. I don't think he will be able to be approved anytime soon but it doesn't hurt to have a page ready for when he finally can.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some articles I'm going to look at later for this:

Solo songs

Solo songs and albums should only be listed if they are released as his name. If they were a solo but are part of BTS, then it doesn't really count as a solo single/album. Please clarify with the references whether those two songs are credited to Park or BTS. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Serendipity

Should the regular version of serendipity be added to charted songs too? It charted on a bunch of other stuff, but there is a page dedicated to it to that people can click. I was thinking the intro sufficed but I wanted to make sure. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 03:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: They're the same song, just released separately. I'd combine the charting and then put a footnote on the places that charted with the full version. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Solo Track Filter

Filter is Jimin's recent solo track released on February 21, 2020 and it surpassed many records and given new titles to Jimin. Mention filter also to the Solo track list. https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/bts-jimin-solo-track-filter-ultimate-thirst-trap-armys-mots7/ https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/05/filter-by-bts-jimin-is-the-first-solo-track-from-mots-7-to-surpassed-100m-digital-point-on-gaon https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/03/bts-jimins-filter-sets-various-records-on-spotify

Protected edit request on 18 October 2018

The Park Ji-min (born 1995) page already exists in Spanish, العربية, Català, Euskara, Français, Bahasa Indonesia, 한국어, Português,, Русский, 中文. A page needs to be made for the English translation. I have a stub draft in my sandbox ready to push. Change protected edit to open edit so the page can be added. Chanelle821 (talk) 22:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please publish your draft article at Draft:Park Ji-min (born 1995). Then you can ask the opinion of User:Michig who closed the last discussion in 2016. If you are unable to find agreement, then you can file a request at Wikipedia:Deletion review. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see the draft is at Draft:Jimin (singer, born 1995). I think your best bet is to resolve the issues identified with that draft first. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Translation from other languages

The Jimin page already exists in Spanish, Portuguese, French, Korean, and a few other languages. Can someone explain to me why the English page is repeatedly declined when the other language pages exist? --Chanelle821 (talk) 23:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Chanelle821: Because he currently does not pass notability requirements set on the English Wikipedia. Each language runs independently of each other and may have completely different notability requirements. Alexanderlee (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Complete

I'm thinking this is the most I can add to it. I'm only seeing little things here and there I may run into that I could add, unless someone else has stuff too. I'm still not sure it would pass. If it did I think it barely would due to the sparse solo section. Should we submit again or wait a while longer to see if Jimin does anything more notable outside of BTS? Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 02:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

AngusWOOF

  • Criteria for musicians and ensembles
    • 1. The wikipedia page alone shows he's been written about by Billboard, Naver, The Star Chosun, Mwave, Tenasia, ibtimes, Political Analysis, etc; all which meet the guidelines of notable, credible sources for Korean articles per Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources or are known western reliable sources.
    • 6. Is in a notable band, all members but him having a wiki page.

It says at the top he only needs to meet one of the criteria, but he meets two of them. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 23:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tamar Herman's Billboard magazine article "Get to Know BTS: Jimin" is okay. Political Analysis covers all the band members so it is a non-notable coverage. Tribun covers all members. I'm scrubbing through the rest. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
AngusWOOF I didn't realize they could mention only him, but here are the articles I used that only do that.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 23:24, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT- Not sure if you can read Korean, but the first one is a profile they did on him a few years ago, the second Korean one is about a variety he did, and the third is an article they did on him for his philanthropy. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 23:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ukiss2ne14lyfe I can always throw it into google translate, but yeah, looking for articles that give significant coverage like [1] for Rose (Blackpink). When the writeup is only a handful of paragraphs, it's not as good. Anyway I tagged it for review, but you can keep editing on it, maybe Curb Safe Charmer can take a look. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
pinging Mr. Guye, Newyorkbrad, Johnpacklambert, and Fylbecatulous from previous AFD. Has this new information changed your opinion on whether this person should have a page?
Okay, I'm going to go through articles now that I know he alone can only be mentioned. I found an award that he won and put it on the page and it says it's Peeper x Billboard with a picture of it, but I've never heard of it before so I'm not sure exactly what it is. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It should be stuff that isn't a passing mention. If he shows up at a televised event by himself, that isn't really significant coverage, but can still be part of his biography. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Peeper x Billboard is that a music show? Wins on those shows like Countdown don't really count towards notability. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

From what it looks like people vote for it and whoever gets the most votes wins the awards and that group/individual gets a donation to a charity in their name. It's not a music show though. I'm familiar with all their names and it doesn't mention anything like them performing for it.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 00:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More articles I've added that only mention him.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 01:20, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Keep them coming. The Elite Daily one is phrased a little like the Billboard article but it is coming from another writer and media source so it is showing independent recognition. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:19, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to pipe in (I'll locate some more of my own sources for this soon) I just wanted to let AngusWOOF know that Naver's news portal is an aggregator. There's a vetting process as to which sources can publish through it and reliability is part of the criteria, that's why WikiProject Korea has a blanket approval on all Naver articles. But please also note that since it's an aggregator, all articles are via independent sources hosted on Naver and should be treated as separate. (This is also why when doing citations it's generally discouraged to put Naver as the publisher, and preferred that the "work" parameter is credited to the actual source who wrote it.) A good comparison would be Google News, though the sites are not identical. The source of the article Naver is hosting is always pictured above the headline and there are always mirrors of the article on the source's own news site. As an example of this as well as a reliable source covering Jimin separate from BTS, see an article by Segye about the popularity of his solo tracks and the style and performance of said tracks. You can find it hosted on Naver as well as Segye's own site. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 03:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DanielleTH, I can put Naver in the agency or via section of the citation. That might be more useful. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would work too, AngusWOOF! DanielleTH (Say hi!) 04:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A few articles about Jimin topping celebrity brand rankings were published in Sepetember: Chosun, ReKorea, News Inside Korea, Veritas A, and CNB News. All of these were found via Naver. In general I feel like these largely prove he passes WP:GNG but I'm curious as to what people who participated in the AfD think. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 04:17, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]


  • Without trawling through all the references using Google Translate, it now seems clear to me that Jimin is an established personality and entertainer in his own right, rather than purely being a member of a boyband. I would support accepting at AfC. Remember that, per WP:AFCPURPOSE, the threshold is whether the article would probably be kept at AfD. I believe it would now.
If this article were nominated for deletion at WP:AFD, would it be likely to survive?
Yes, it will probably be kept. Then ACCEPT it now. (You can tag non-deletion-worthy problems.)
No, it will be deleted. Then DECLINE it. Please explain why you believe it would be deleted.
Maybe, but I'm not sure. Then ASK FOR HELP on the talk page.
Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Curb Safe Charmer. Given the most recent celebrity information from the book mention in 2017, the Billboard awards and detailed articles dated 2016-2018 (after the previous AFD), and South China Morning Post, this would survive AFD now. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stage performances

In the performance section we can add the 2016, Gayo daejun stage performance and also the collaboration with Taemin. These will come under the heading of solo work.

If you have the articles you can add that. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 13:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I found the Taemin one but can't seem to find the other one. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 14:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you list stage performances, make sure they aren't part of BTS or those general music/variety shows. Theatre/musicals are okay though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
AngusWOOF It was part of an end of the year ceremony and it didn't have anything to do with BTS. The official wiki page for it calls it a festival. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 19:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Park Jimin (musician)

Duplicate article. Park Jimin name is ambiguous as the name is unisex - see Park Ji-min Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Curb Safe Charmer, I've redirected the (musician) one to the Park Ji-min (disambiguation) page since both male and female singers are musicians. There should only be the one article at Jimin (singer, born 1995) as that was the final consensus at draft. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:14, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AngusWOOF: thanks, I tagged it right in the middle of the merge taking place, and promptly un-tagged it. All sorted now by the looks of things. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:43, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection

Can we get this protected so only registered users can edit? Unregistered users keep adding the same things over and over and everyone has to keep deleting it. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: you can request page protection here. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks. I put in a request there. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 18:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 20 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 11:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jimin (singer, born 1995) → Jimin (singer) – WP:SMALLDETAILS, since all other singer pages have the dash in Ji-min and he does not due to his stage name lacking it, there's no need to specify the year. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 00:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). -- AlexTW 02:53, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SMALLDETAILS states "When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane vs. Airplane!; Sea-Monkeys vs. SeaMonkey; The Wörld Is Yours vs. other topics listed at The World Is Yours". The female "Park Ji-min" is known with a dash in her name; the male is not. Thus, per the policy, the dash is enough to distinguish them. Not to mention the male is hardly referenced with his last name included while the female is, thus his mononym is the title of the page in the first place. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be a pretty clear application of WP:SMALLDETAILS. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DanielleTH, do not redirect Jimin (singer) to Jimin (singer, born 1995) and then make the RM. That is in bad faith to assume he is already primary topic when he is not. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@AngusWOOF: Apologies, I did so initially when this was submitted as a technical move as I had thought it would be considered as such since it relates directly to a Wikipedia policy, after 83.248.186.87 mentioned it during the last move attempt. I'd appreciate it if you didn't claim it was in bad faith, though, since I can promise it was not. My attempt was initially thinking it to be a temporary technical fix, not claiming he's the primary topic. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 04:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Shin Ji-min is primarily a rapper though, not a singer, so having a (singer) clarification would not affect people searching for her. And Park Ji-min is more commonly referred to as "Jimin Park" while BTS' Jimin is almost never referred to with his last name in official releases. Even legal credits fall under "Jimin" while Jimin Park uses the full name. AOA's Jimin's (who is Shin Ji-min) page also includes her last name, which is enough to clarify who the person is looking for while searcing, which is what WP:SMALLDETAILS is about. Same thing with this page lacking the last name and Park Ji-min including it. (And truth be told as she more commonly goes by Jimin Park that should be the name of the page, but that's a move discussion for another time.)DanielleTH (Say hi!) 04:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@AngusWOOF: How do you reconcile your position with WP:SMALLDETAILS? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 07:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
142.160.89.97, like I said, WP:SMALLDETAILS would apply only to J-Min not the name Jimin as stylized. Even Lisa (Japanese singer) which has been stylized "lisa" and "LiSA" is disambiguated. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 08:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to Talk:LiSA_(Japanese_musician,_born_1987)#Requested_move on previous stylization disambiguation precedence. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 08:49, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As for Jimin AOA being primarily a rapper, that is difficult to distinguish since AOA is a girl group, which implies they are all singers. Jimin might get the (rapper) designation though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 09:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@AngusWOOF: The rest of your reasoning is understandable but I strongly oppose to the reasoning of "that is difficult to distinguish since AOA is a girl group, which implies they are all singers". I'm unsure with your familiarity with K-Pop but all K-Pop groups, female and male, have both rappers and singers, which are fairly prominent in their roles. Being in a Western girl group may imply all singers in cases like the Spice Girls, but definitely not with K-Pop groups. Jimin is known as one of the main rappers in AOA by even those not too familiar with her. Her page is already clarified with the use of her last name, anyway.
Also, do you mind explaining how "J-Min" is an application of WP:SMALLDETAILS at all? WP:SMALLDETAILS states that if something is the same thing (like MAVEN and Maven) the small differences between them (capitalization) are enough to distinguish them. "J-Min" and "Jimin" are not minor differences, they are pronounced differently (Jay-min vs. Jih-min) and have major differences in stylization. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 14:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As the lead of that page indicates, "Shin Ji-min (born January 8, 1991), better known mononymously as Jimin, is a South Korean rapper and singer." (my emphasis). So yes, she is considered a singer. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@AngusWOOF: I'm not exactly sure why she's even listed on the main page as a singer, and it must have been added since I last listed her page since it really shouldn't be there. At any rate, reading through responses here I think I change my stance and am more opposed to the move for the sake of clarity between the two Park Ji-mins, though now I'll admit I'm very much confused on the WP:SMALLDETAILS policy. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 18:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Given WP:SMALLDETAILS, why would there being "multiple singers named Jimin" (albeit spelt differently) alone be decisive? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 07:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can the IP please declare any previous edit history before June 2018? There seems to be a familiarity with en.wp titling arguments which goes beyond the few contributions under the IP address. Have you previously edited under a named account? [Okay, just checked IP Talk page and see it is an ISP change, but really if participating in these kind of discussions should register an account]
In any case, it's precisely because of WP:SMALLDETAILS that we don't distinguish articles by inconsistent trivial variations in orthography. This is the same Korean name. Exactly the same. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Deleting a hosting gig and including BTS film

There is a gig from 2013 Jimin and Taehyung got that does not have a primary source. They're all from secondary sources and I do not think anyone reported they were hosts then. I've been unable to find a primary source and it's been two months so I think it should be deleted. If someone can find a good source it can be added again though. I was also wondering if "Burn the Stage" should be included. That was a BTS thing it wasn't a separate gig that they got that would make it needed on the pages. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 02:23, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

Am I the only one who think it may be a good idea to hold off until these V Live are actually announced? Because from the looks of the site the award will be given to BTS, not Jimin and Jungkook, despite it being a solo V Live from the two of them. Paginating Ukiss2ne14lyfe for this.

While I'm here, do you think their order of merit award should be listed in their infobox? I noticed that an award of similar importance in the United States was listed on Elvis Presley's article, which is an FA. I didn't know if it was worth putting on the BTS members' pages, cause I could also reasonably see how that may be giving it too much prominence. Alexanderlee, Snowflake91, and AngusWOOF, you guys edit this page a lot so I'd love to hear your thoughs (as well as anyone's, of course). DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:12, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DanielleTH I agree with you on waiting until they’re anounced. It’s not completely clear so it would avoid any possible confusion. I’m not sure on the award though, I’m not really familiar with it or how important it is. Alexanderlee (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That Presley's award is the highest possible award in the US for non-military people, while the Korean order of merit is the 2nd highest award I think, if someone wants to add it its okay I guess, use this ribbon before the award's name if you'll add it ----> Snowflake91 (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's a big deal to wait until winners are announced. I only added it because I saw someone else added it to Jungkook's page. As for adding the cultural merit award to the infobox, I'm not really sure. I don't know too much about it besides very few people acquire it and usually it takes a lifetime of work if they do. If we add it to BTS though we should probably add it to the other people to received the award if they have wiki pages. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 00:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: My concerns with waiting though is that I don't think it's given to Jimin and Jungkook, but rather the group like V Live awards have been given in the past, so I think it may be misleading and/or incorrect, and thus we should wait to see who receives the award. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DanielleTH: That's what I meant. If we just wait we'll know who the award is given to. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 01:52, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: Oh ok, then we're in agreement then! DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding V Live Awards, are they given to individuals or groups? You can wait on those until it's clear. The Order of Merit for Korea can be listed in the Awards section for each person. I've seen cases like The Wiggles where band members get Order of Australia medals and each member then gets the AM post-nominal. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 06:23, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2019

He transferred to Korean Arts High School along with fellow BTS member V, graduating with him in 2014. Baniii222 (talk) 15:46, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:39, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2019

change "Jimin holds the position of dancer and vocalist" to "Jimin holds the position of main dancer and lead vocalist" Lamis chelbi (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:37, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Other charted songs

Add dream glow Zihan sabah (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Birth year in article title

Why is this article called Jimin (singer, born 1995)? It should just be Jimin (singer)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.25.206.175 (talk) 22:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Read the above requested move section, and if you disagree, you can request a move. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 03:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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