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Thank you in advance for looking at this and if anything else is needed for the image, please let me know! [[User:Canada Goose Isabella|Canada Goose Isabella]] ([[User talk:Canada Goose Isabella|talk]]) 20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you in advance for looking at this and if anything else is needed for the image, please let me know! [[User:Canada Goose Isabella|Canada Goose Isabella]] ([[User talk:Canada Goose Isabella|talk]]) 20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
:I don't think this is a good idea. All four of the current images show the Canada Goose logo, and we really don't need another photo that focuses entirely on the logo. An image of the actual manufacturing process might be more useful (e.g., how the fill is added to the coats, the process of obtaining and managing the fur, etc). [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 01:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 01:22, 18 January 2024


Resubmitting Operations section for review

Hello again! User:Spintendo suggested above that I consolidate my references in order to present a more streamlined, easy-to-review version of this section draft. I’ve done so below:

Canada Goose is headquartered in Toronto, Canada.[1] It has manufacturing facilities in Toronto, Winnipeg, and Montreal.[2][3] It also has stores in Toronto, New York, Chicago, and Beijing.[4][5] It is a publicly traded company, with Bain Capital owning a majority stake.[2] Its CEO, Dani Reiss, has been in his position since 2001.[6] Its current president is Carrie Baker, who moved into her role in March 2022.[7] As of December 2022, Canada Goose had approximately 3,850 employees.[8]

References

  1. ^ Grant, Jean (August 8, 2023). "Workspace of the Week: Inside Canada Goose's Museum-Like Waterfront Office in Toronto". Canadian Business. Retrieved September 5, 2023.
  2. ^ a b Gelles, David (December 10, 2013). "Canada Goose Sells Majority Stake to Bain Capital". New York Times. Retrieved March 30, 2022.
  3. ^ Deschamps, Tara (February 14, 2019). "Canada Goose opening new Montreal factory, expects to create 300 new jobs". The Globe & Mail. Retrieved September 5, 2023.
  4. ^ Zumbach, Lauren (October 27, 2017). "Parka brand Canada Goose opens 10,000-square-foot Michigan Avenue flagship store". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved October 30, 2017.
  5. ^ "Canada Goose opens Beijing store following delay". CBC. December 29, 2018. Retrieved March 30, 2022.
  6. ^ Lorinc, John (October 17, 2012). "The Golden Goose". Profit Guide. Archived from the original on November 30, 2012. Retrieved March 30, 2022.
  7. ^ Clark, Evan (March 31, 2022). "Carrie Baker Promoted to President at Canada Goose". Women’s Wear Daily. Retrieved March 31, 2022.
  8. ^ Jermyn, Diane (December 9, 2022). "Greater Toronto's Top Employers 2023 lead the way in workplace innovation". The Globe And Mail. Retrieved August 1, 2023.

There are still a couple sentences with multiple references at the end but that’s out of necessity. In the “manufacturing facilities” sentence, the NYT piece confirms the existence of Toronto and Winnipeg plants and the Globe & Mail one covers the Montreal plant, which is a bit newer than the other two. The store locations sentence is similar. With the section now cleaned up, reference-wise, I’ll let independent editors review. Thanks! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 17:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This streamlining is much appreciated. This information would be better placed somewhere in the article which already exists, rather than a new Operations section. Please choose an already existing location where this information may be placed. When ready to proceed, please change the request template's answer parametrer to read for yes to no. Thank you!  Spintendo  00:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:Spintendo: Thank you for reviewing the draft. I would like to respectfully push back on the idea that a standalone Operations section is not where this information belongs. I've found some examples of corporate Wikipedia articles that have these sections (if you click these links, they should take you right to the relevant sections): Burger King, Anheuser-Busch, and QVC. I won't quote those sections in full, but I'll cite a few relevant passages for the purpose of making my point.
Burger King

Burger King Holdings is the parent company of Burger King, also known as Burger King Corporation and abbreviated BKC, and is a Delaware corporation formed on July 23, 2002. A subsidiary, it derives its income from several sources, including property rental and sales through company owned restaurants; however, a substantial portion of its revenue is dependent on franchise fees. During the transitional period after the acquisition of the company by 3G Capital, Burger King's board of directors was co-chaired by John W. Chidsey, formerly CEO and chairman of the company, and Alex Behring, managing partner of 3G Capital. By April 2011, the new ownership completed the restructuring of Burger King's corporate management and Chidsey tendered his resignation, leaving Behring as CEO and chair.

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The company operates approximately 40 subsidiaries globally that oversee franchise operations, acquisitions and financial obligations such as pensions.

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Burger King is headquartered in a nine-story office tower by the Miami International Airport in unincorporated Miami-Dade County, Florida.

Anheuser-Busch

Anheuser-Busch Companies operates as one of several subsidiaries in the North America zone unit of Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV (AB InBev) and it produces and distributes hundreds of products from the AB InBev portfolio.

On October 10, 2016, a $100 billion merger between Anheuser-Busch InBev and SABMiller closed. The new company is trading as NewbelcoSABMiller.

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Michel Doukeris is the current CEO of AB InBev, the parent company of the U.S. operation, and Brendan Whitworth is the current CEO of the Anheuser-Busch subsidiary.

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Anheuser-Busch Companies has operated 13 breweries, all located in the United States.

QVC

QVC has its headquarters in West Chester, Pennsylvania by U.S. Route 202. The $100 million QVC Studio Park complex, located on an 80 acres (32 ha) plot of land, opened in 1997.

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QVC's U.S. operations are based in the Studio Park complex, which houses its corporate headquarters, studio and broadcasting facilities. Studio Park is the former corporate offices of the computer company Commodore. QVC's distribution centers are located in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Suffolk, Virginia, Florence, South Carolina, and Ontario, California. Its 2013 sales were worth $5.84 billion.

Call center facilities were located in San Antonio, Texas and Chesapeake, Virginia, though both closed after call center employees permanently transitioned to remote work during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020. A call center in Port St. Lucie, Florida was also in operation until 2016.

QVC U.S. also operates two outlet stores in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and Frazer, Pennsylvania.

Those sections vary somewhat—Burger King's in particular is massive because it's a much bigger and more complex operation than Canada Goose—but they contain details similar to the ones in the Operations draft I've put forward. They identify HQ location, c-suite leadership, ownership structure, non-HQ locations in which the company operates, etc. In other words, it seems to me that Operations sections are standard, or at least not out of the ordinary, for corporate Wikipedia articles.
That's my argument for the validity of my Operations content being added to the Canada Goose article as a standalone section. Feel free to disagree, but I would ask that you consider it, in light of what I've laid out above.
If you don't find that argument convincing, could we perhaps change the History heading to History and structure or History and operations and then include the Operations content under a subheading that reads Current operations or Current structure? Of the existing sections, History is the one that makes the most sense, in terms of accommodating the Operations content. It's not a perfect fit, but I think if the section were retitled to make clear what kind of information it contains, that might work.
Again, thank you for working through these issues with me. I appreciate your input and hopefully we can arrive at a solution that aligns with your best judgment as an independent editor, as well as Wikipedia's content guidelines. Cheers and talk soon! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 14:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your concern over having a separate Operations section, however, the requested prose includes only 7 sentences, which at the moment does not justify a separate section. Regards,  Spintendo  22:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:Spintendo: Thank you for your thoughts and considering my arguments. If the Operations truly doesn't merit a standalone section, does my suggestion for placing this content under History sound like a good option? I'd proposed a subheading of Current operations or Current structure and would suggest placing it at the end of the History section.
Thank you again for discussing this and working out a good solution. Cheers! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Implemented  Spintendo  19:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the help, User:Spintendo! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 15:16, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! I'd like to ask that the company's official wordmark logo be added to the infobox, replacing the photo of the Arctic Program patch that currently resides in that space. I've uploaded the logo to Wikimedia Commons under fair use. Follow this link and you should see it.

I think this is a fairly straightforward request, but if there's anything else I need to do, please let me know! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done SpencerT•C 19:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help, User:Spencer! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 20:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggesting Products section as Marketing replacement

Hello there! This article has a flag on it that says it "contains content that is written like an advertisement." I've been thinking about how to fix that problem. Perhaps we should remove the Marketing section? A lot of the content there strikes me as promotional in tone, and less than encyclopedic. I suggest that Marketing be replaced with a Products section that's less about Canada Goose's branding and more about the goods it manufactures and sells. I've composed a Products draft below, which independent editors are free to review:

Products section draft
Canada Goose manufactures winter clothing, including coats, parkas, knitwear, hats, gloves and footwear.[1][2] Its longest-running products are heavy winter coats lined with goose down, which are meant to keep the wearer warm in freezing temperatures.[3][4] These coats have been worn by researchers in the United States Antarctic Program and in dogsledding events such as the Iditarod and the Yukon Quest [5][6] In 2011, as an anti-counterfeiting measure, Canada Goose began sewing hologram trademarks into its jackets as proof of authenticity.[7] In November 2018, the company acquired the bootmaker Baffin. In November 2021, Canada Goose launched its first-ever footwear collection.[8][9]

References

  1. ^ Onita, Laura (November 17, 2021). "'I wanted to write short stories': Canada Goose chief spills on running the family business and finally ditching fur". Financial Post. Retrieved March 30, 2022.
  2. ^ Mulvey, Kelsey (November 29, 2021). "Canada Goose's Smash-Hit Outerwear Is On Cyber Monday Sale at Saks Right Now". Esquire. Retrieved March 30, 2022.
  3. ^ Debter, Lauren (May 31, 2019). "The Golden Goose: How Dani Reiss Became A Billionaire Turning Canada Goose Into A Luxury Brand Powerhouse". Forbes. Retrieved March 28, 2022.
  4. ^ Ismael, Amir (April 7, 2022). "I visited a Canada Goose Cold Room where you can test its jackets in below-freezing temperatures, and now I understand why they cost so much". Insider. Retrieved April 7, 2022.
  5. ^ Robertson, Grant (25 February 2010). "Year of the Goose". The Globe and Mail. Retrieved 23 July 2011.
  6. ^ Broudy, Berne (November 12, 2021). "Canada Goose's First Footwear Has Insane Price, Temp Rating". Insider. Retrieved April 7, 2022.
  7. ^ Allard, Jordan (9 August 2011). "Go for the real Goose, says store owner Herb Lash Sr". The Sault Star. Archived from the original on 24 December 2013. Retrieved 20 November 2012.
  8. ^ Bhasin, Kim; Rastello, Sandrine (November 1, 2018). "Canada Goose Acquires Winter-Boot Maker Baffin to Enter Footwear". Bloomberg. Retrieved April 7, 2022.
  9. ^ Segran, Elizabeth (November 12, 2021). "Canada Goose's new boots are stylish (and warm) as hell". Fast Company. Retrieved April 7, 2022.

User:MrOllie added the "written like an advertisement" flag to the article a few years ago, so I'm going to tag them here, if they want to give their thoughts on the Marketing section and/or my Products draft. Other editors are free to contribute to the discussion as well. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to weigh in. Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 16:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Circling back on this and tagging in User:PK650, who worked with one of my predecessors, and User:BuySomeApples, who trimmed the article down earlier this year. If either of you would like to review what I have above and give your thoughts, please feel free. (And if not, no worries!) Thanks so much, Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 21:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pulling in User:Diannaa and User:Edwardx, who have made conscientious edits to the article in the past. If what I've
suggested above sparks your interest, please jump in. Thanks so much Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that User:BarrelProof made a bunch of helpful edits to the article about a week ago. Just alerting them to this proposal, in case they would like to weigh in on it. Thanks, Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. WP:SNOW oppose makes it nigh impossible this will ever succeed. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Canada Goose (clothing) → Canada Goose – Move over redirect per WP:SMALLDETAILS. "Canada goose" is a bird; "Canada Goose" is a clothing manufacturer. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per encyclopedic accuracy, are you sure everybody's heard? Randy Kryn (talk) 14:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The overwhelmingly more common search target for the string "Canada Goose" is the bird, because of the over-capitalization habit common to most (though not all) ornithoscopic and ornithological publications.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. DIFFCAPS does not apply to cases like this one. The important thing is not just to automatically give things like this the base name if the related topic is at a different capitalisation, but to determine what the primary topic for the proposed name. In this case, it is absurd to suggest that this obscure clothing manufacturer is the primary topic for the term Canada Goose, and if read correctly, the WP:DIFFCAPS guideline does not require or advise us to do so.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per SMcCandlish. Indeed, a few years ago, Wikipedia's own article naming conventions contained an exception to use uppercase for the names of bird and butterfly species, since specialist literature tends to use caps. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose the bird has 30,415 views compared with 11,337 for the company. As noted above species are commonly capitalized so I don't think this would have been like say Red Meat where the meat is rarely capitalized. However I would agree with Paintspot and move Canada Goose (disambiguation) to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

For future reference, I just went through and fixed links to Canada Goose and changed them to either Canada goose or Canada Goose (clothing). There were six intended for the bird and two for the clothing brand. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Asking to add new image

Hi again! I'd like to ask about adding a new photo to the page, potentially to replace the photo of the Canada Goose products showing the logo. The new image shows part of the sewing process at the Toronto Canada Goose factory. I've uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons and worked through the process to make sure it is appropriately released. If you go to this link you should see it.

Thank you in advance for looking at this and if anything else is needed for the image, please let me know! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is a good idea. All four of the current images show the Canada Goose logo, and we really don't need another photo that focuses entirely on the logo. An image of the actual manufacturing process might be more useful (e.g., how the fill is added to the coats, the process of obtaining and managing the fur, etc). Risker (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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