Talk:Melania Trump

Recent changes to the lede

I have undone several changes to the lede and restored its longstanding version. Changes to the lede always need consensus. Just to point out why I reverted the changes:

• Our lede says "current First Lady and wife of Donald Trump". Someone changed that to "First Lady and current wife of Donald Trump"; that's just nasty.
• There were changes of her nationality, first to "Slovenian-American" and then to just "Slovenian". She's American now, the details of her background are spelled out later.
• She was described as "a model and philanthropist who is the First Lady." She is no longer a model, and philanthropist is not her claim to fame; we describe her first and foremost as the First Lady.

Comments of course are welcome; consensus is required to make any of these changes. --MelanieN (talk) 23:58, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@MelanieN:, @Galobtter:, @Snooganssnoogans:, @Corkythehornetfan:, @SPECIFICO:, @Rebbing:, For some guidance on the hyphenated description I looked first to the Wikipedia articles on the late Rep. Tom Lantos, and then to George Soros. Their nationalities (Hungarian-American) are both hyphenated, in the ledes, in their respective articles. "Former model" also seems an appropriate descriptor, just as Nancy Davis Reagan was an actress (1st line in her lede), and Hillary Clinton as a former senator, Secretary of State, and presidential candidate. Melania was well-known as a nude, swimsuit (including Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition), and high fashion model, eventually client of Trump's own fashion agency. Activist (talk) 21:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm neutral on the first one. I'm not sure "current wife" is nasty, especially since we say "current First Lady". Slovenian-American seems fine to me. Like African-American even for folks whose families have been here several hundred years. I thought she was running a fashion-related business? If that is or most recently was her occupation, then we could say that. I think she's very frequently identified for her modeling career, so former model does not seem undue to me. SPECIFICO talk 22:13, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree with MelanieN "Current wife" makes it sound like a temporary position. Activist (talk) 22:48, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Current wife is to distinguish from his former wives. Perhaps third wife sounds better, or do you think that also carries the connotation of being temporary? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

"Former model" somewhere in the lede would be ok. The phrase I removed said that she IS a model who is First Lady. That is inaccurate. And I still say that "current wife", or for that matter "third wife", is just a nasty dig. "Current wife" suggests that her status is temporary, that he might dump her any time. "Third wife" is unnecessary and not something we usually say to describe the current spouse, at least not in the lede. (For example, Nancy Reagan does not say "second wife" in the lede.) Marital history is for the article text. MelanieN alt (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2018

Melania Trump (/məˈlɑːniə/; born Melanija Knavs; [mɛˈlaːnija ˈknaːu̯s], Germanized to Melania Knauss; April 26, 1970) is the current First Lady of the United States and the third wife wife of the 45th U.S. President Donald Trump.[1] 189.216.114.169 (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Propose adding Trump's alleged cheating on Melania

It has been alleged that Trump had cheated on Melania months after Barron's birth, with pornographic actress Stormy Daniels in 2006 and Playboy model Karen McDougal from 2006 to 2007. Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, denied the existence of an affair between Trump and Daniels, but later acknowledged paying Daniels $130,000 of his own money. The New York Times reported that Melania had been 'blindsided' by the January 2018 reports of Daniels being paid off. The White House has denied the existence of an affair between Trump and McDougal.

References

I propose including the above relevant, notable, cited material for this page within the Marriage section. starship.paint ~ KO 01:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Oppose This article is about Melania not Donald and Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal. If Melania comments or if further coverage of her occurs then it may warrant a mention. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The proposed addition appears to not comply with the balance provisions of the Biographies of Living Persons policy and the this essay for the reasons stated by Emir of Wikipedia above. Further discussion will be necessary before adding this proposed text, which is outside the bounds of a simple edit request. Thank you. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 13:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

• @Eggishorn: - it was an attempt to get consensus not an edit request. The real edit request is by another user above. starship.paint ~ KO 14:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Starship.paint:I'm sorry, I completely apologize for overlooking that. The two sections appeared as one to my caffeine-deprived brain and I thought this was part of the new user's request. I've struck my reply but I think opening a formal RfC would be a good idea. Again, I apologize for causing you any discomfort you may have felt. Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:16, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Oppose – Only makes sense on Stormy Daniels page. — JFG ^talk 20:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

• Leave it out. This is not anything that Melania has done, or said anything about. She has publicly ignored the whole issue in dignified silence, as wives of prominent men often do. This encyclopedia is full of articles about men who cheated on their wives; I very much doubt that the fact is included in the articles about their wives (with rare exceptions like Hillary Clinton where it became a history-making scandal). --MelanieN (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
• Leave it out. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 20:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
• Leave it out - This is really kind of important. It would be like victim-shaming to put it in and we consider that sort of thing a BLP violation. She has not spoken or involved herself in any other public events about these allegations. SPECIFICO talk 20:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Slovenian?

I don't see a citation for the idea that she is a citizen of Slovenia. Should be provided. 174.19.159.85 (talk) 16:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2018

Regarding her dad's career. Yugoslavia was a communist country, there were no auto dealerships. Everything was state-owned, if you wanted a car, you had to basically put in a request to the state car company, and you would get a car when one was available. It's pretty absurd to state that someone was an auto-dealer in a communist state. 96.48.174.6 (talk) 08:41, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done You must submit your request in the form of "please change X to Y", suggesting specific wording backed up by reliable sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:52, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Section on birther racism and reaction to husbands (alledged) affairs

Can someone add in two new sections to this profile.

Maybe they need new sections, if not on this page itself?

One - a section on birther racsim - Melania Trump's previous comments etc.

Second - a section on Melania Trump's reaction to the consensual (alledged) affairs that Trump had with Stephanie Clifford and later Karen McDougal. Perhaps this needs to be on a new page - a bit like the Clinton-Lewinksy scandal wiki page?