Talk:Sega

Game Gear? Nomad?

No mention of Sega's handheld consoles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.140.225 (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

A little biased?

This may be simply my own interpretation of this, but, I'll do a direct quote of a section in the article. "Launching with a small library of generally uninteresting software and in the shadow of the upcoming PS2". I bolded the part which essentially made it biased. The PS2 has nothing to do with the Dreamcast's library of games. They're two different game consoles. And why is it necessary to note "uninteresting"..? Please, enlighten me how that isn't making this a biased sentence. --65.43.229.57 (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

1,640 billion?

I'm pretty sure Sega hasn't made 1,640 billion. Maybe 1.6 billion, or possibly even 16 billion, but not 1,640 billion. However, I do not know the correct figure and thus cannot edit it. SaderBiscut (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Sega History

I bought the sega, the sega cd, the sega 32x, I played a lot of sega. What took out Sega, was Sony. Sega is not dead but if I were Sega I would target Sony or I would not do business with Sony. Simply, to me, this is logical, but, also why I put it in discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.3.77 (talk) 09:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC) The move from hardware to software was being talked about as early as 1999, as evidenced in Electronic Gaming Mothly Number 126, January 2000, Page 50. I've added a sentence to reflect this, but I always have trouble doing citations on Wikipedia, so it would be nice if someone could cite it for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.219.183 (talk) 21:50, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Chequeboard design

There is a feature that runs through the Sonic games and has occurred in some other Sega games eg Super Monkey Ball Sega Superstars Tennis- a chequeboard design in 2 different colours. This may sound of limited interest but it is a highly relevant feature of some Sega games as far as I am concerned as the design greatly helps to accentuate the sense of speed integral to those games. I have always considered it as somewhat a hallmark of Sega's identity ever since Sonic the hedgehog.

In-house studios and such

Are these right? Because a lot of games that are developed by Sonic Team, have been listed as spread over several other teams? Doktor Wilhelm 17:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Sega is also a folk dance in Mauritius and La Reunion. We need a disambiguation page...

---Cheers Glenn 23 January 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.143.160.106 (talk) 05:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge from Sega Studios & Video Games

I'm trying to collapse this article as it's mostly redundant and an indiscriminate collection of information, besides being far from having many good qualities. Because of this, I'm merging a section over into this article from that one to preserve this content, as most of the content of the article will be preserved from what I'm doing to it. I'm not sure if this fits right where I'm putting it though, so I'd like some help if it doesn't fit right into the article. Thanks. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 02:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

"Service Games"

It's understandable that since Sega's former title was Service Games, the search would redirect here, but service games are also a genre of video games- i.e. Root Beer Tapper. Service Games should have a disambiguation page. 98.208.95.209 (talk) 09:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Criticisms

Do you think we should start a small criticisms and controversies section, not to bash Sega but to give a more well rounded opinion. Of course they wouldn't be our criticisms, just general critcisms from citable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.11.177 (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

i agree, there have been many controversies surrounding Sega's decisins and the way that Sega promoted Genesis (Genesis does what Nintendont) has been critisised a lot. Generally, Segas adds were always controversial and Sega made a lot of wrong decisions which caused Sega to stop being succesful in N.America & Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.214.152 (talk) 17:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it needs a really good once-over, because there are some grammar issues and the organization of information is somewhat questionable. I just tried to clean up the Dreamcast section. 66.253.218.130 (talk) 14:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I would still ask you to insert a "controversies" section.
A lot of Companies in the Video Game industrie have them and more even should. SEGA is one of the biggest in the industrie and so should have their controversies referenced because (imho) it matters due to their influence/presence. Other video game industrie articles with controversy-pages are: Electronic Arts, BioWare, Blizzard Entertainment.
Capcom even only has one single instance in it - so even for one controversy such a section is viable. Ninjason (talk) 13:19, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Coin operated photo booths

There's a mention of these being a surprise hit. Is this referring to photo booths for passport photos etc, or what has gone onto become purikura? If it's the latter, it worthy of a link at least. Anyone know? Lets Enjoy Life (talk) 04:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

snow job

This page is clearly written by non-English speakers, and is most likely written by Sega employees. It needs so many citations that most of it should be scrapped.Wuapinmon (talk) 04:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

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Sega has been shut down and has been canceled for good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.142.218 (talk) 15:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to contest the accuracy of some of the statements in this article. Particularly the line stating that the Dreamcast was the first home console to offer online gameplay. That is simply not true. Even Sega's own Saturn had online capabilities before Dreamcast did. Not to mention that SNES *AND* Genesis also had online features via the X Band Modem, which is not covered in the Sega Genesis section either. Phatrat1982 (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Sonic 1991.png

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Vandlizim

this article has been brutily vandlized, and should be fixed.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

pre-Dreamcast era R&D stucture

Is there a way to better integrate the earlier SEGA R&D stucture? The AM numbering and studio fiefdom structures are really only reflective of Dreamcast era Sega, and sorts of skirts over the strict arcade and consumer R&D divisions the company had in the 1980s to the mid 1990s. There's also no mention of Japanese studios which Sega was was formerly invested in in such as RED Entertainment, Gau Entertainment/Nextech, Sims, C.R.I. (which was folded into AM2), Access Games or others.

Is it true that SEGA cut 30 employees because of the economy problems?

Because I don't see it in the article and my source is sonic stadium. --Coconutfred73 (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Requesting moves.

I'd like to move this page and all the other pages to "SEGA...", etc.

SEGA should be all in capital letters. Look at their logo. - Eugene Krabs (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

MOS:TRADE. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

What Happened?

Why does SEGA got of in the seventh-generation of vidio gaming, it might appear in the eighth generation CyberTech-100 05:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Pre-Magadrive Sega

Why does this article only begin with the Mega drive? Sega had two consoles I recall prior to the megadrive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.101.40 (talk) 00:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The SG-1000 and the SEGA Master System68.140.73.155 (talk) 05:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Seva v. accolade

Virtua Racing was released for the MD 1994!

I'm going to change that. NeoDoubleGames 16:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Sega operating system?

Where can I read up on the operating systems in the various products Sega manufactures? The main article should have a link to an article that describes what the Sega products do, and what operating systems are found in them? Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 23:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Patent

Sega is registered in the USPTO. I think it should be added. Railer-man (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

To archive

http://www.sega-amusements.co.uk/03/flash/SAE_03.swf Sega Amusements Europe WhisperToMe (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Attention possible virus threat - READ!

Worms and viruses with respect to a potential threat!

Please note that the reference # 58 (filedes) please do not click, it should be reviewed and possibly removed as a reference, today I had problems with my computer when I called the URL! Is it possible to investigate the matter because of trojan / worms / viruses on the ground? I ask for immediate feedback! Abani79 (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll do the sacrifice. Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 17:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

And nothing comes up. Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 17:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. Are you sure that you have not checked the image that was linked? I had, the page itself (without subdirectories) is opened and then it happened. As I said please do not open, but as BitDefender use to check (if possible). Abani79 (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

This site was infected, i think thats shows a solution: http://www.virustotal.com/url-scan/report.html?id=0a2611f1a90cc147a4d9fd9d3df31a82-1306166340 Abani79 (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=e3c530c333d54b2e5a3c9eb15fbdaa7da169795666b012ba633137b42e18d657-1306174654 Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 18:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Removed. It was not a reliable source, anyway. Prolog (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Issues?

Does this article need the warning about "multiple issues?" There are only 2 or maybe 3 statements in the whole thing that have a "citation needed" next to them, the sourcing is fine, and I see little need for clean-up. Obviously, it could always be expanded with more data and refinements, but it really seems like at least some of the warnings on top of the page are not needed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

The citation request should definitly be removed,it is no longer neccessary.MilkStraw532 (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Then I will remove the reference to citations unless there is any dissent. For now, I will leave the "clean-up" request, and ask that another user weigh in on the topic.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello wikipedians, i have re-tagged again the article, because there're to much deadlinks used as citation and they should eventually secured as archived site by using the internet wayback machine if possible or replace them. Please remove the tags first, if this tasks was done. Abani79 (talk) 18:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Missing Systems Pictures

This article is pretty good but its missing a few pictures; The SEGA CD tray model and the pop top side by side second gen model. The original Genesis model that has a volume slide bar and a head phone jack. Finally the horroble 32x upgrade for the Genesis which put the nail for me on SEGA platforms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.181.116 (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

multi-million-selling franchises

It's in the head paragraph. I am thinking about replacing it with "highly successful", "Popular","Highly Rated" or some variation of all three. UNLESS someone actually sees a reason to leave it there. Multi-million selling does not really mean much. Shenmue was a multi-million selling "franchise" and it technically was a commercial failure. BUT, it is a popular game, and it had good ratings. Another example would be Phantasy Star, which got high ratings, was also successful, and was popular as well.

Keep in mind I am posting this since I know Sega is a very popular company and I know they have a very proud following.AustralianPope (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I just threw that in there to match a similar statement at Capcom and a far more extensive list of games at Konami, not because I take any pride in the works produced by employees of companies whose products I have enjoyed in the past. "Highly successful" and "popular" are more vague than the current language, not that I care enough to fight you here. Shenmue wouldn't be ideal since it only had two entries and will probably never be seen again (least likely of all from Sega-Sammy). As I see it, Sonic was Sega's 16-bit flagship title and remains their current mascot, Virtua Fighter was their top developers' killer app during the fifth generation and remains their most critically acclaimed and influential arcade game, and Yakuza is modern Sega's defining franchise. (Nagoshi is clearly the best developer they have left.) Sega has been expanding in the West with mobile and PC games, and Total War is the most prestigious of the bunch. As for Phantasy Star, it may not be Sega's best RPG, but it certainly is their longest-running and most important.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

That actually makes a lot of sense, the current wording better represents the spectrum of Sega titles. Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Financial information for fiscal year ending 2014-03-31

In case anyone would find this information useful for expanding the article, here's Sega's full year results. Most of this year's profits owes to its pachinko business, and its top selling video game was Total War: Rome II at 1.13 million copies. --benlisquare_T•C•E 05:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed mass deletion

I have reverted Tripple-ddd's proposed trimming and reorganization of this article. On my talk page, Tripple-ddd explained their changes, stating that Sega v. Accolade "has it's own article" and therefore does not merit coverage here, the statement that Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is Sega's best-selling game "is not accurate anymore", and the excessively detailed 2005–present section should be summarized with "official milestones featured on their website and statements from annual investor reports from Sega Sammy Holdings". To which I reply: Sega v. Accolade is certainly an interesting and significant part of Sega's history, I'm not sure what more recent game supposedly outsold Sonic 2, and Tripple-ddd's reliance on primary sources is quite excessive. I welcome further comments on the matter. In the meantime, it is not only Tripple–ddd's mass deletions sans consensus that concern me, but also some of their own contributions, for example:

• Sega "has been the leader in the arcade industry from its foundation in 1960 to today." Nobody can deny Sega's significant contributions to the industry, but its own financial reports are not a good enough source to satisfy the Wikipedia standard of neutrality and verifiablity.
• "Sega Sammy aims to be in the Top 3 in the digital game market", sourced to the company's latest financial report, is recent trivia from a non-neutral source and in any case hardly a meaningful statistic.
• "Sega of Europe and Sega of America have been moderating more autonomously being able to purchase western developers once again" is unsourced gibberish.
• "The challenging economic climate of packaged video game software in western markets, deemed titles such as Binary Domain, Golden Axe: Beast Rider, Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza localizations, Bayonetta not appropriate." "Not appropriate"? The cited source doesn't mention any of these games.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree with several of these, and I understand your concerns,

On arcade and movile from investor reports

I strongly disagree that investor reports are biased. Shareholders want an objective view and performance of your company. Maybe it can be changed to be less excessive. Like instead "the leader", one of the leaders. And instead of Top 3 in the digital market, being merely "successfull". Is that fine?

On Sega of America and Sega of Europe:

It came across wrong. But it is true that Sega of America is designed to be a different identity from Sega of Japan. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132150/the_evolution_of_sega_a_.php

": It was by design, very much so. I think we've strongly tried to make Sega of America feel like it's not a Japanese company. We're trying to make sure we don't make the mistake of being another Japanese company trying to be another Japanese company in the west. We want to build our success through building products for the west in the west, so there are not many Japanese staff in our office at Sega of America. We have a lot of autonomy now, and it's absolutely by design."

Not a reason for Sega of Europe to not be the same way, statements of back then when Creative Assembly etc. were purchased, it indicated autonomy.

Sonic 2 being Sega's best selling game

Mario and Sonic and at the Olympic games technically surpassed it. If we don't count that, ok we can leave Sonic 2

On the "only 4 IPs now" thing:

It hasn't been stated, but the contrast of releases in the West and in Japan really makes the statement true. Also Bayonetta 2 being picked up by Nintendo. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 03:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

The edits are reverted

It seems like there is no interrest except us two about the correct portrayal of Sega's current business and history.

--Tripple-ddd (talk) 12:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

My previous objections to your edits still stand. Indeed, you haven't modified any of the claims that you conceded were problematic. You've been causing a mess around a whole bunch of Sega articles, removing accurate information from Sonic Team with no edit summary, redirecting Sega AM3 to Sega Rosso when Sega Rosso should be AM5, ect., and with no consensus you really can't expect to get away with deleting half the article to skew the focus in favor of your original research "2005–present and the (ever-shrinking) Arcade market" section.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

You still didn't respond to my answers to your objections. Who get's the authority on the article then? The first who has written it? If that person doesn't have a problem (unless you are that person), with the changes, then there should be no problem.

I agree it is irresponsible to edit a page without an edit summary...however I still plan to change several articles to be more accurate (with proper sources). The Sonic Team page has no sourced backing up that UGA have anything to do with Sonic Riders or Project Rub.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 11:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:BURDEN, and WP:NOCONSENSUS. If you cannot prove your claims, which is the responsibility of the person who wants the change, then the changes are not accepted. This is why your edits keep getting undone. Sergecross73 msg me 11:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I meet all these criterias.

Except for this: ″In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit.″

I explained my claims earlier, and have gotten no response. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 12:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Alright, can you break it down a little further? Give a few examples of changes you've made, and the sources that support them. Maybe I can give you more insight. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

That you didn't know Takashi Yuda created Knuckles is perfectly understandable, but your widespread pattern of unexplained deletions is disruptive in the sense that you should tag such unsourced material first. Moreover, if you don't know what you are talking about, it might be wise to leave massive restructurings such as your deletion of half of this article to better qualified editors.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

? What does Takashi Yuda have to do with anything? Yes he was the director of both Project Rub and Sonic Riders, that doesn't mean these games have anything to do with United Game Artists. Yes I can tag it first, but that is no guarantee of it being fixed by someone.

And stop saying I deleted half the article. It's the "2005-present" section, and I left the Sega Studios section as a seperate page (since the article is tagged for being too long). You still haven't responded to my responses to your objections of the article restructuring.

@Sergevross73 It's basicilly about these 2 versions of the "2005-present" section: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sega&diff=prev&oldid=642881636

Both versions cite the Sega Sammy IR website and several gaming websites. However the current version is flawed in that it is inconsistent with the sections of Sega's history before. It details Sega's financial performance till about 2008, stops, mentions Sonic games, and then adds the copyypasted paragraph from Atlus page about Sega's Index buyout and structuring, and another copypasted paragraphic from the Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric page. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 13:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

As the source says, Yuda also worked on UGA's Space Channel 5. In fact, UGA was filled with Sonic Team veterans such as Yuda, which is why they were merged back into Sonic Team when Sega restructured their internal studios in 2003.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but in the same interview, he says alot of people in the Sonic Riders development staff are new staff. http://info.sonicretro.org/Takashi_Yuda_interview_by_GameSpy_%28September_21,_2005%29

It is far fetched to attach it to United Game Artists (which officially just didn't exist). A mention is fine, but that is it I think. --Tripple-ddd (talk) 11:13, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Massive changes

My problems with the previous version:

• Advertising campaigns section being tagged for a long time now, it has to be removed
• Sega R&D sections and Sega Studios being unsourced for a long while now, also the Studios section is redundant
• Too detailed history post 2005
• Revenue are from Sega Sammy as a whole, which doesn't count from Sega, so it is deleted

I restructured the article the better give a sum of Sega Corporation as it is represented on Sega Sammy's website. And to to make in similar lenght to other companies like Capcom, Square Enix and Konami — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tripple-ddd (talk • contribs) 17:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

You completely evaded the four concrete criticisms I presented under "Proposed mass deletion". Until you do, expect to be reverted. (Also, stop arbitrarily splitting the paragraphs into numerous disconnected sentences.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Evaded? I responded, but you didn't respond back. Indefensible edits? According to who?

You still haven't provided any good arguments as to why it was good the leave the article the way it is.--Tripple-ddd (talk) 11:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I apologize for my rather sporadic edit schedule of late, not that it can be helped. While I still believe your text contains errors and excessively regurgitates Sega's PR statements, I suppose you haven't really made an already poor article worse, and I don't have the time to continue this edit war. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 05:56, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Definitely need to iron things out here.

So I nipped in to do some copyediting on the tagged 2005-present subsection, and there's a couple big problems that I noticed, starting with the apparently-shared concern that this article reads a lot like a PR pamphlet, especially where the post-2005 area is concerned. The vast bulk of the citations provided also come from the same place, the Sega-Sammy annual reports, which not only is a WP:PRIMARY source that won't be super reliable for much else aside from raw fiscal data, but is also being used to cite assertions that it does not support-- in those instances, I put in Citation Needed tags, at least where I noticed them; there may be more. I'll do my best to find more sources that are more removed from the subject matter-- as much as work filters will allow for searching video game-related subjects, anyway-- as I'm sure the article will benefit from it.

The whole thing needs the living daylights NPOVed out of it, to be honest. I'll do my best to help, and I'll be active on the talkpage if anyone needs me. BlusterBlaster^kablooie! 19:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)