User talk:CsDix

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Country topics

please make sure the view/edit/talk links actually go to the template, and not a redirect or a redlink. seems like the default should be country topic, rather than country? Frietjes (talk) 18:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Arrg, you're right... How do I ensure this -- can you show me where to look, please? CsDix (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

...It's okay, I think I figured out what to do. Thanks for the heads-up. CsDix (talk) 18:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

|image= only works in {{navbox}} if |list1= is defined. it's due to the fact that the image is part of the first line. Frietjes (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I added a hack to make it work. the hack does not include all the possible cases, but will make it work if both history and list1 are blank. if history, list1, and geography are blank, more hacks are needed, but this will work for the current cases. I am wondering if this whole thing isn't too complex, given the simplicity of the standard solution. Frietjes (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks -- I'll take a look at it anon. No, I don't think it's too complex, as (1) the simplicity of the standard solution (just use Navbox itself?) isn't necessarily that simple; (2) I believe it should make things easier for people using country-topics templates in future (but not necessarily those writing/maintaining a country topics metatemplate!); (3) I also believe it's one of those "fix once, sorted out for a long time" things; and (4) it automatically includes links that have otherwise been overlooked (outlines, indices, books, categories, portals, wikiprojects). CsDix (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: It's now possible to omit the "state=".

the place to add this usage note is in {{collapsible option}}, not in the transclusions, especially if you plan to add this to many different templates.

as for the fixes to WP:HLIST, the parenthetical sections are sublists, and should use a sublist markup.

in other words, if you check the HTML source for

• one
• two
  • two a
  • two b
• three

you will see a proper sublist. on the other hand, if you check the HTML source for

• one
• two (two a
• two b)
• three

you get something with no semantic meaning. if you would like other editors to comment, I can post a note at WT:Accessibility. Frietjes (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I have made an edit request to add the feature to collapsible option (see here). Frietjes (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Country topics

Can we have a Commons link below? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:47, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Message

Hello. You have a new message at Anna Frodesiak's talk page. 22:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Anna Frodesiak's talk page. 11:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Anna Frodesiak's talk page. 19:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Broken navboxes

Please conduct tests on a sample in a sandbox. You have broken the Anhui topics navbox. See the bottom of Anhui. Thanks Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Templates

Hi! It looks like you've broken a few templates such as this and this. I've reverted these two to an unbroken state and will check the rest of the templates you've edited just to be on the safe side. Please check that each template is working before moving on to a new. Bjelleklang - talk 19:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

str crop

I would get rid of this feature. yes, it is possible to write something that crops both 'File:' and 'Image:', but there is still 'File :' and 'Image :' and this starts to get expensive to process. if the image isn't showing up, editors will figure out why and fix it. it's better to just rely on editors to figure this one out (in my opinion). by the way, a more robust way to handle the imagesize is to use {{px|{{{imagesize|}}}|80px}}, which works even when someone includes |imagesize= but leaves it blank. otherwise everything looks good. Frietjes (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that's fast. "str crop" doesn't crop the "File:" or "Image:", however, so I'm not sure what problem you're foreseeing -- or have I misunderstand your observation..?

Thanks for the px tip; I'll now examine. CsDix (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

okay, you are correct, I read the chunk of code incorrectly, you are trying to automatically set the value of |imagelink= if it is not specified, by stripping the (typically four characters) from the end of the filename. I would still say remove this part, since string processing templates are relatively expensive. this one uses both str left (not that expensive) and str len (more expensive). it seems like a lot to go through to just get some 'hover over' text for the image. Frietjes (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

another wrinkle is that if the image is GFDL or CC-BY-SA, we are not allowed to remove the link to the actual image page (see for example this revert). Frietjes (talk) 23:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, especially if string processing has more impact than I guess I'm assuming. I'll remove the autogeneration bit. CsDix (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

removal of {{flatlist}}

any particular reason for replacing this template with <div class=hlist>? it makes it harder to track the uses of this construct, and is equivalent in function. also, it would be great if you could avoid adding background color statements to the below (or any section), since they don't work with CSS classes. for example, I (like many other visually impaired users) have redefined the values for the navbox colours in my Special:MyPage/skin.css file. otherwise, everything looks great. Frietjes (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, Frietjes -- thanks for your message:

• any particular reason for replacing this template with <div class=hlist>?

I think it's because {{flatlist}}, being a template, needs at least one pipe symbol and I sometimes lose sight of it when code is dense or spaced with carriage-returns. Is it still possible to track the divs?

• also, it would be great if you could avoid adding background color statements to the below (or any section), since they don't work with CSS classes.

Is there / are there ways to make them work? (Not that I'm adamant they should remain, but to keep learning.)

CsDix (talk) 22:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

it's possible there may be a way to track the <div class="hlist">, but not very easily. another option would be to create something like {{ubl}} but for flat lists. although, this works

another option would to be to ask for a carriage return before the various {{{groupX}}} fields in {{navbox}}.

as for the colouring of the below section, it could be possible to make |belowclass=navbox-title work, but it would require extending the definition from just impacting <th> to <th> and <td>, which would require a change to MediaWiki:common.css. Frietjes (talk) 23:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the ideas. The | groupN = {{ubl ...}} looks like the solution for flatlists as group names. As regards the below line, I think I only changed the background so that it didn't look like an expandable section, so it's no great loss to discontinue -- but I suppose an enquiry about |belowclass=navbox-title at MediaWiki:common.css as well as that other MediaWiki:common.css suggestion you made (must find that again) might be worthwhile? CsDix (talk) 00:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

it's possible they might add it to common.css, although my experience has been that there is only about a 50% chance, unless some admin gets excited about it. if there are enough editors asking for it, then it's more likely. as far as I can tell, it would just require removing the restriction to "td" from the line with ccccff, but I would have to do some testing to make sure (I don't regularly program style sheets). Frietjes (talk) 00:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I will see what happens. Time now to check my latest tweak to the {{whisperback}} template. CsDix (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Burma (Myanmar) topics

the view/edit links go to the redirect, rather than the template (part of the reason why I had added a feature to override the |name= value). Frietjes (talk) 21:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting. I'd forgotten the point of template_name and mistakenly removed it. Now restored and {{Burma (Myanmar) topics}} amended. CsDix (talk) 21:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Country topics: Background zebra-stripes/watermark in white-space not showing up

Hi, just a stylistic quibble about the (great) new country template.

It looks perfect on the blank template page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_topics

In operation though, I can't see the faint zebra-stripes/watermark (gray, white, gray, white) in the white-space background that helps people visually keep track of what sub-section they are looking across.

For example, on the Ecuador topics page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ecuador_topics

I can see one grey-shaded bar at the bottom (across the culture subsection), but all the rest of the background shows up white.

(also posted this on the template talk page)

Love your work.... 0Juniper56 (talk) 07:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this report and your generous praise, 0Juniper56. As regards the latter, what I find I'm able to do is only because of all the work others (probably many others) have put in before me – plus people like User:Frietjes helping me get to grips with it. Thanks also for posting your report on the template's talkpage; that's where I've responded to it, hopefully with success! CsDix (talk) 15:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Archduke Johann Nepomuk of Austria (Johann Orth)

There was a mistake with the template, please read the request. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 12:19, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

"Archduke Johann Salvator of Austria (Johann Orth) → Archduke Johann Salvator of Austria" is what I proposed and people supported not "Archduke Johann Salvator of Austria (Johann Orth) → Archduke Johann Nepomuk of Austria (Johann Orth)" which is what you did.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you read? The arrow points from the old time to the newly proposed title Archduke Johann Salvator of Austria.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Being bold

Thanks for just improving the Gibraltar topics template! looks much better Victuallers (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Victuallers. It just seemed to me that there were enough links there to justify the alternative format – or, to put it another way, too many if an open template is what's desired. But {{Gibraltar topics |all/abbr}} can be used to expand everything or a chosen section. CsDix (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree - looks much better - maybe the versions in other languages will follow your lead. I am looking for a template expert. At present we have a Gibraltar and a Gibraltarpedia template. Do you know anyone who might help? Its a gnomish task so it needs the right person. Anyway - thanks again Victuallers (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty green here, but I have seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates, so I'd say that's probably a good place to ask. CsDix (talk) 23:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for tip! Victuallers (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Bahamas topics

see here. Frietjes (talk) 17:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, maybe User:HIDECCHI001 doesn't feel comfortable with the new template. The only real difference I've spotted on first sight is the "above" line replaced with the "Overviews" group. If so, perhaps leave as is (at least, for time being) and see what happens? CsDix (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

if you check this user's edit history, you will see edits to other topics templates (e.g., Australia topics) with no problems. I will ask if there was a particular reason. Frietjes (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

well, after 3 days, no response (see here). it appears the editor is not interested in explaining the revert. Frietjes (talk) 22:36, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I see that their userpage says "I AM A JAPANESE" so perhaps they're not confident about producing an explanation in English. I'm happy to let it be for now and convert it back when I next happen to pass by it (if that hasn't happened already by then). CsDix (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Your edit request

Regarding your edit request at {{Collapsible option}} — although it's clear what text you want to be added, I'm not clear if you want any to be removed, and I'm quite confused by the issue of where to put the code you've written. Could you please create a sandbox (or some other subpage) of the entire code of the template as you'd like to see it? That way, I could simply copy/paste the entire contents into the template itself. When you've done that, please leave a {{talkback}} at my talk page. Nyttend (talk) 12:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I really don't understand enough to give an informed judgement on whether or not you've gone too far (that's related to the fact that I didn't know how to implement your changes without being given all the code), so I'll not offer an opinion. Nyttend (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I've just created the template's testcases page to give some idea. If / once the update's occurred, I'll update the documentation page. CsDix (talk) 02:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I've already updated the template. Nyttend (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

So you have. Thanks. I'll now update the documentation. CsDix (talk) 02:08, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi!

Please check your last changes (like in {{Coptic Popes}} and {{Popes}}. It may seem like it's working but when the template is transcluded it's totaly broken. I reverted those two. Thank you. --Geilamir (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert and apologies for the oversight. It looks like User:Frietjes has fixed whatever I left undone – is this correct? CsDix (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Georgia topics

Sorry, I reverted this template again. All four links to disambiguation pages were back after your edits. Before you revert again, please check if the links to "Culture of Georgia", "Geography of Georgia", "History of Georgia" and "Outline of Georgia" point to the relevant articles about the country. You don't want the links pointing to a disambiguationpage (as you did) or to Georgia (U.S. state), when you are talking about Georgia (country). The Banner _talk 22:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert and apologies that the template still wasn't working. I'm hoping the version I've just left in place does finally sort things out. CsDix (talk) 07:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Sidebar

Per someone's request at WP:AN, I'm going through the editprotected requests, including the discussion in which you participated at {{Sidebar}}. I'm not clear — is discussion done? If so, which of the links is the one to the version that should be placed in the template? When you and Plastikspork have decided what to do, let me know and I'll copy it over, although as an admin he's welcome to do that without asking me. I'm just really hesitant to do anything yet — because of the wide usage of this template, I don't want to edit it and then revert myself in the event of a mistake, given the current discussion at the "Job queue" section of WP:VP/T. Nyttend (talk) 13:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention. I believe the current sandbox version [1] (removed special padding for heading1/content1) should be okay, but, yes, Plastikspork hasn't (yet) responded to it in the related talkpage thread (Template talk:Sidebar#Edit request on 4 December 2012). I'll give him (her?) a friendly prod to see what s/he makes of it (i.e. hopefully confirm it seems okay) then report back. CsDix (talk) 17:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I prodded Plastikspork one minute before I prodded you. Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

So I've just discovered! Thanks. CsDix (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Official webpage icon

Template:Official webpage icon has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Isaac Newton sidebar

Yes, that's what I had in mind. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Template:Yugoslavia timeline

Hello Joy,

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AYugoslavia_timeline&diff=531931803&oldid=531919540

The "{{{1|...}}}" meant that the parameter name "state=" needn't be included. Okay to put back? CsDix (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

No, I've used the old syntax already in a transclusion, and I don't see any point in breaking it. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

See also Template talk:Navbox#a fork. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I fear I'm reaching the limit of my know-how... In what way/s does {{{1|...}}} "break" the template..? CsDix (talk) 11:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

PS Have visited Template talk:Navbox#a fork – thanks for pointing out – and left a comment.

It doesn't break the template, but it renders the transclusion {{Yugoslavia timeline|state=something}} pointless, instead one would have to change it to {{Yugoslavia timeline|something}}. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• I've just put the version that includes the full {{{state|{{{1|<includeonly>collapsed</includeonly>}}}}}} ([2]) in the template's sandbox, then tried calling it with

{{Yugoslavia timeline/sandbox |expanded}}

{{Yugoslavia timeline/sandbox |state=expanded}}

and

{{Yugoslavia timeline/sandbox}}

The first two produced the expanded template, while it remained collapsed with the third – which seems to be what's meant to happen..?

Is the problem the Navbox that was on the sandbox page previously?

(I hope I'm not missing the point, although I sense I might be...)

CsDix (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I re-read the code, and what I found wasn't what I thought I had found :) I had misread the old diff. Previously it was:

{{#if:{{{state|}}}|{{{state}}}|autocollapse}}

that meant that the parameter was state=something, otherwise autocollapse. The new code is:

{{{state|{{{1|<includeonly>collapsed</includeonly>}}}}}}

That is more convoluted than the old if - it uses the state parameter if defined, else it uses the first unnamed parameter if defined, else collapsed. My bad. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad it's nothing more than an oversight, as I have made mistakes with the more convoluted {{{1|}}} addition (e.g. not making sure the opening or closing three curly brackets are the right side of an includeonly or noinclude tag). So there may yet be cases where your suspicions turn out to be correct. Best wishes, CsDix (talk) 22:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Improvements/cleanup to Template:Dacia topics

Thanks for the improvements/cleanup done to {{Dacia topics}}. Very much welcomed. Best. --Codrin.B (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, but I wonder, why is the Language section not showing up anymore.--Codrin.B (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I found the glitch.--Codrin.B (talk) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• My pleasure, Codrin. It looked an intriguing topic. Thanks for fixing the misnumbering I overlooked. CsDix (talk) 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Bahá'í sidebar and Template:Bahá'í

I did the moves you asked for, are you doing to run AWB to fix up the location/links?--v/r - TP 17:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks – I was hoping all I'd need to do would be to check/update the templates' name parameters..? (I don't have "AWB".) CsDix (talk) 18:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Well that needs to happen, yes. But the now "sidebar" was at the top of all articles using it. Now that the template name has changed, the navbox is at the top of some 200+ articles. See this for example that I already fixed. So someone needs to go through and fix that. I thought you were volunteering since you tagged the move. Would you rather I changed the names back?--v/r - TP 18:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
    • Ohh, I see what you mean. Apologies. I would volunteer, except 200+ articles does seem a lot. Is there a "rename update" bot that could be commandeered for the job..? CsDix (talk) 18:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
      • A bot would take about 30 days to get approved and I doubt it'd be approved for only 200 articles. Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser can do it in short order. I am working on it with AWB.--v/r - TP 18:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
      • (Edit conflict) 30 days? Ouch. I'd've thought there was a bot that did this kind of thing (not that I assumed so; I hadn't spotted the consequences of the sidebar-to-navbox name-change). It looks like I need to ask you to undo your work (apologies) while I sign up for AutoWikiBrowser and learn how to use it, yes..? Thanks for taking on the extra work. The upside is that I'm now aware of AutoWikiBrowser, so will sign up and learn how to use it. CsDix (talk) 18:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
        • I believe I fixed all of them, you can check the remaining, but there are now fewer than 75 left. Frietjes (talk) 20:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
          • Thanks, Frietjes. I'll start looking through the list now. Meanwhile, I've just requested use of AutoWikiBrowser so I'm ready if/when this situation arises again. CsDix (talk) 05:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
          • I've now looked through that list and can confirm no Bahá'í sidebar/navbox misplacements. CsDix (talk) 17:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:United States topics reversal

Have reverted the change to Template:United States topics as per all that was said about it. Pls stop these templates conversions to collapsible lists.Moxy (talk) 15:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:United States topics and similar templates

Just wanted you to notice that WP:USA has decided (after seeing our debate I guess) that Outlines - Indexes etc... should be seen first as they are overviews (as seen here. I was not involved with the talk but there conclusion was "they provide a bird's eye view of the subject" and should thus be first.Moxy (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for the reminder – I hope it's all as should be in the template's current version. CsDix (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Pls do not take the conversation at Template talk:People's Republic of China topics to mean others can be changed to that odd format. Template:United States topics is the normal format used by all Category:United States templates (this is the main example for the project for format). WP:USA follows the format set out by Template:Navbox that has a proper relationship with other Navbox templates it may incounter. Meaning its not colored funny - its not a different format then all the others on the pages (thus presented neutrally with other templates). Its the project main example of what things should look like to conform to the rest of what the project has done. Moxy (talk) 20:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

In that case, how do both templates look to you now – and, if they're both fine in their own ways, which should I take as (more) standard..? CsDix (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean Template:People's Republic of China topics is not the normal format used anywhere even all the other China templates dont use that format ie. Template:Health in the People's Republic of China. I am simply not convinced that a template that takes more coding and takes up more space on a page will ever be the norm Moxy (talk) 20:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll get back to you a little later with (more of) my take on this issue. In short, it's this: I think I agree with you, until a certain "critical mass" of links is reached in a template – at which point I can see why people have started using subsections, subgroups and collapsing things. I think it's about trying to avoid information overload when a template's first seen while still retaining a (relatively) large amount of information (i.e. links) in the template. CsDix (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

...Hello again. To take an example of what I'm talking about, here's a screenshot of the current United States topics template as it appears on a 1024 by 768 screen (full width, but not full height, shown). Notice how (1) the template easily fills the entire screen; and (2) how far the subgroup names extend across the screen (nearly to the middle) and so how much space they rob from the template. CsDix (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:United States topics template on 1024x768 screen.jpg

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{{Opera}}

I left a note at Template talk:Navbox opera topics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera#Move {{Navbox opera topics}} to {{Opera}} about your attempt to replace {{Opera}}. Much more disturbing than the, IMO, pointless exercise is the apparently incompetent execution: see this edit at Talk:Maestro where you replaced the names of unrelated templates: {{Opera terms}} should never have been replaced with {{WikiProject Opera terms}}. I've reverted that edit. I guess you've done about 1,000 edits where you attempted to replace "Opera" with "WikiProject Opera" (where the correct terms would have been "{{Opera}}" and "{{WikiProject Opera}}"; I wonder if you could check whether there were any other erroneous string replacements? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

		The Template Barnstar
		For your many edits relating to templates. Your efforts are appreciated!  HueSatLum 02:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi! (2)

It's nice what you did to the Angolan history template. I myself don't know how to... :=) Thanks.

• Thanks for your kind message! The secret is using {{Infobox}} inside the template in a particular way. If you want to experiment, paste the following into your sandbox page, put a country's name after "country =" and then try adding things after the "label="s and "data="s:

{{Country history
|country = 
|width = auto
|bold = no

|content1 =
 {{Infobox
  |bodystyle = {{infobox subbox bodystyle}}
  |labelstyle = padding-right:1.0em;font-weight:normal;
  |datastyle = text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;
  |label1=  |data1=
  |label2=  |data2=
  |label3=  |data3=
  |label4=  |data4=
  |label5=  |data5=
  <!--and so on-->
 }}

}}

CsDix (talk) 01:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! If I get the time and the courage, I'll try... --Againme (talk) 19:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Lists

It's not the only edit I've seen a problem with. The exact problem with that edit was that when you changed things the way you did, what you were really creating was sublists, when those particular links are plainly not sublist items. My formatting has a similar problem with the insertion of the div element, which creates two separate lists, which is plainly not desirable either (but more desirable than multiple sublists, in my opinion). (I was simply trying to preserve formatting prior to conversion to use the more semantic lists.) Anyway, for the definition of semantic which I'm using, see Semantic HTML and WP:Accessibility#Lists. --Izno (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the elaboration. I would use {{·}} to produce the dots, except (as per Accessibility#Lists) I've learned that this is no good for accessibility. Hence the sublists. CsDix (talk) 22:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

...because, in a way, they are sublists – as sidebars tend to fit two or three links per line, it seems to me that what's needed is some inherent way to specify these links without leaving those unsightly hanging dots at the ends of lines. CsDix (talk) 22:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Except the unsightly hanging dots are intentional; that behavior is how hlist works. The use of hlist within a sidebar might not be, however. And no, they aren't sublists, and neither is the dot template a good alternative. I however see no reason not to use hlist in sidebars. If you feel you must use anything similar, I would advocate total conversion to plainlist. --Izno (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Plainlist alone would produce sidebars that were either too narrow or waste too much space (either side of the one link per line), while the hanging dots seem to be a symptom of something whose primary use is horizontal (strings of links) not being accommodated or adapted elegantly for use vertically, no..? So, if the hanging dots are to be avoided, are there any alternatives to using {{hlist}}s within plainlists? CsDix (talk) 22:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

(...and should "plainlist" really be "vlist"..?)

The issue of a template being too narrow is an issue whether hlist is used or not, so you have not shown there why one is preferable to the other. Wasting too much space I don't see as an issue. (I see the use of sidebars as wasting space and duplicating other navigation, but that's a polar opposite to what I'm arguing here.)

I might agree that hlist is not well-adapted to vertical use, and so it probably should not be used. There are no alternatives, but that's not a bad thing because you still end up breaking the semantic list component. --Izno (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

"The issue of a template being too narrow is an issue whether hlist is used or not, so you have not shown there why one is preferable to the other."

This sounds circular to me, but maybe I'm missing your point... unless you're saying that (aversion to sidebars etc aside) you reckon people wouldn't mind sidebars with e.g. wrapped titles and/or (much) greater height, due to the use of one-link-per-line plainlist (vlist) formats..? CsDix (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

PS I may be "AFK" for a while.

No consensus for your move of Template:911ct

You moved it, once to an unwise name, once to a hugely long name, and had no consensus for either move. Please would you justify your actions on the template talk page? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 02:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

• Sure – just done so. Incidentally, if you browse Wikipedia's template categories, "September 11 conspiracy theories" doesn't rank as a particularly long name. "September 11" appears to be used rather than "9/11" as the latter includes the forward-slash computing character. CsDix (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)