User talk:Drmies

"Drmies is the only rational editor here."

Note to self

Category:Articles with a promotional tone from December 2017

Look

3RR or more, too many anyway, - I tried on the IP's talk, but what does an IP know about talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• Hey! Nobody screws with the Ralph! Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• I tried too. What they know about talk depends on the IP. Many know a lot. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
• Next up: cleanup on Symphony No. 4 (Vaughan Williams). Drmies (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Next look please at Talk:Arvo Pärt where some including me were called nationalists, which probably is not a personal attack but feels like it. (warning: waste of time has been mentioned, several times. Short way: join RfC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah, but Ralph is described as an (unlinked) English composer, not a British composer, whereas in fact he's an English composer in a way that Arvo isn't an Estonian composer. Unless he is. Is he? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• I shook hands with Pärt in Estonia, chatting in German. If people don't know on which continent Estonia is, why not help them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• Although Gustav Holst is "English" (unlinked, as are the ethnicity of RVW, Elgar, Davies, Berkeley, Delius and Ireland), his mother was "mostly British". Luke Bedford is British, as is Ronald Binge. Maybe as composers rise up the ranks they transform from being "British" to being "English"; Binge was born in Derby, which is 20 miles from the centre of England, but maybe his mother was "all British". If people don't know what the difference between "English" and "British" is, why not help them. :) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:56, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• As long as you realize that I am both the healthiest admin and the only rational editor here. Drmies (talk) 21:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

• I hope you are healthy enough to deal with the first subject once more ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

• I've (cough) re-ordered it, 'cos I'm the annoyingest editor here. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

• Pardon? - It's now No. 9, better formatted, but lacking links, and copied from where? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

• I re-ordered no. 6 in ascending alphabetical order of conductor's surname. Reverted No. 9 'cos the only source I can think of for that kind of stuff would be BBC Radio 3's Building a library. I mean, this is not the Grateful Dead; one performance of a symphony's going to sound pretty much like another, unless it's Toswangler or Fürtcanini conducting. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

• You will not be surprised that both were reverted again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

• Another rangeblock. You can revert: 3R doesn't apply. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

• Done. Must do some Binge listening sometime. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Another IP not understanding the concept of no edit war. One word, imagine. - Different question: Francis Schonken undermind his authority enough that you don't have to look at his contribs for a year. I'd like to see some older ones reverted, this for example, where he reverted a compromise, by misunderstanding the discussion, or just counting votes, even some that were modified. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

• The Discography Anorak's back. a) Make up a nonsense word b) Revert using the phrase "Edit to remove [nonsense word]' c) Learning through stress- the reverted editor will now have the nonsense word imprinted in their brain. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• OK, you go try that method. I tried a rangeblock. Drmies (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Vox Article on Deep State

Did you read the whole article in context? I understand why first impressions without reading the whole context might seem like that they didn't mean it. -Obsidi (talk) 15:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

You must read this 1,700 word blog post in full before stating that blog posts aren't WP:RS. Didn't you know that? Simonm223 (talk) 15:22, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

There is no dispute that it is a reliable source, the question is what did it mean. Obviously he doesn’t need read the whole thing to have an to have an opinion on that. (Which is why I asked rather than assume he had.) Still context can be helpful in understanding the meaning of a text. -Obsidi (talk) 16:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Just wanted some clarification.

For a few days, I’d somehow found myself universally blocked for a month by you for “Disruptive editing and socking, going on for a while.” Rather bizarre, considering I’ve never been guilty of either in eleven years as an everyday editor. Stranger still, I tried filing an unblock request via Wikilabs (couldn’t even add an {{unblock}} tag to my page), and was told neither my account nor IP was blocked. The block quickly vanished within a few days, and I’m not holding any grudges; but, I was just wondering how this manifested? KirkCliff2 (talk) 22:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

• [1] Drmies (talk) 23:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Username

<whimsy>Interesting, I never considered my username exceptionally odd... nor did I consider usernames in general very functional as mood rings.</whimsy> VQuakr (talk) 03:43, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oh you'd be surprised how meaningful they can be. Yours is still cryptic to me. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Mine makes absolutely no sense. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:00, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
    • VQuakr, I always think of Quaker State Motor Oil. Maybe the "V" carries automotive connotations. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
      • V for Viscosity? VQuakr (talk) 04:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
        • . . . or V8. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
          • That would be far too cool. And I'm not that kind of mechanical engineer. And I drive an e-Golf. VQuakr (talk) 04:23, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
            • Whoa--all e? Wow--didn't know it existed. And here I am with my gas-guzzling Prius hybrid--couldn't get the all-e version since I have more children than that car has bucket seats. And it was $10,000 more! Drmies (talk) 04:28, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
              • Yup, I get about 4.3 mi/kwh if I drive with a light touch, on a 36 kwh battery. Tempting to not drive with a light touch, though - it is zippy and the battery pack gives it a pleasant center of gravity. VQuakr (talk) 04:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
                • Haha, no idea what those numbers really mean! I'm at 59.6 mpg, driving like an old person in a Prius, haha. But I tell you, this new Prius (two years old) is not like the old one--it drives like a real car and accelerates and corners very nicely, though my kids will never know. They understand, though, why I don't have a plug-in: there's no charging stations here, so there's no plug-ins, and there's no plug-ins so there's not charging stations... Drmies (talk) 04:43, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
                  • The EPA says 1 gallon of gasoline = 33.7 kwh of electricity. So my 4.3 mi/kwh is equivalent to 145 mpge (officially, the car gets 126 mpge in the city). Ya, I've only flown too close to the sun on maximum range once so far, but if there hadn't been a charging station nearby it would have been a very long push home. I have driven a friend's Prius and found it more fun than pop culture would have had me believe. VQuakr (talk) 04:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, I was on the spot to come up with something after the urgent need arose for an account name change - fun story there. I could explain the etymology, but I suspect this is a case where the mysterious has greater allure than the mundanely factual. VQuakr (talk) 04:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

My Username is also Odd

I actually just had to add a comment to a Wikipedia page for a college class. So don't take my critique too seriously infact I may delete my whole page after the class has ended. But I thought I should let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JO88888888 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• JO88888888, I know: I saw, which is why I left you the comment. But I have to take this seriously, just as you should take the class seriously. NOT THAT WE WANT STUDENTS TO ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING--let alone enjoy themselves! And the more you put in, the higher your grade will be. It's all good. But yeah, I can't possibly see how many 8s there are in your name. Thirty years from now you'll remember I said this. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I take my class and my education quite seriously actually, so I reject the fact that you assumed otherwise. I honestly don't see what was so horrific about my suggestion for someone to add citations where they were requested. I am new to Wikipedia, but I wouldn't assume that that was that abnormal of a thing to bring up. Keep in mind this is all just one girl's opinion. And there are eight, eights with my initials. It was something I could easily remember, but I do apologize for all the trouble my username has caused you.JO88888888 (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• OK have a great day. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Article history query

Hello. I was wondering if it would be possible for the history of Kim Dong-han to be deleted prior to the latest edit, or for it to appear as a new article completely? I moved the article to namespace from my sandbox, but forgot about it's history until I checked after the move, and upon reflecting think it would likely have been better for me to have started as a new article rather than moving my sandbox. Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, I wasn't sure where would be appropriate. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• Yep. Done. Drmies (talk) 22:43, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Sock on Qigong

Just a heads up Drmies, I have filed a a SPI report on this user about vandalising but suspecting under different offensive usernames. Sheldybett (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

BLP issues

Hi Drmies- I'm posting here for some advice, because you did happen to drop in and make a passing comment on this users talkpage not long ago during a discussion about the BLP Kate Fischer. Original issues were lack of sourcing, then bad sourcing combined with way to much detail and trivia (at one time it took up half the article). I thought just improve the sourcing and limit to a paragraph, but after looking at the refs available- theres not much that isn't tabloidish, even the RS that cover it are clearly using stuff straight from the tabloids in an "according to an interview in " sort of way. Discusson has not been constructive- I realise the editor is new, but I am starting to wonder about CIR and NOTTHERE. There is a constant flow of snark, aspersions re my supposed COI and paid editing; he posted a malformed protection template to the talkpage yesterday and doesn't appear to be at all interested in trying to understand how BLP, sourcing and refrencing, or even Wikipedia, works. I was composing a post to WP:BPLN for some outside input, only to find he is now being pretty uncivil to another user, telling them I'm a paid editor on the talkpage, loading up the article with probabably BLP violating edits that have not gained consensus, while apparently insisting editors need to discuss any reverts on the talkpage first, otherwise he will put them right back in! The whole thing has been going on off and on since June. So now I'm not sure what to do. Ignore and just post to BLPN- is Ani too extreme? or am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Curdle (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Holy moly--I just looked at the history. Yes, this needs something, like dispute resolution, but BLPN is a really good start, if you happen to be posting when the right editors are watching, the ones who aren't afraid to dive in and actually work on the article. Thanks, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 03:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi again, just wanted to say thankyou for the advice- it all sorta blew up last night (see WP:AN/3 for a surreal experience) but I have done a bit of work on the page, and just posted to WP:BLPN and crossposted the Australia Wikiproject noticeboard as well, so hopefully there will be some resolution. Curdle (talk) 17:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Interesting. Well, good work--and thanks Black Kite. Drmies (talk) 17:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

arbcom statement

That was quite daft deft of you.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• Thing was, I read her comment twice and found myself in complete agreement. Weeeell she praised the prose a bit too much, I think, but she said it very nicely, and of course this being Wikipedia Bish can't claim ownership. Note that I provided attribution. Srsly I had a thing or two to say about the matter in the ANI thread, but yeah, this is not for ArbCom. Drmies (talk) 03:53, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Mystery Case Files

Hi, can you merge List of Mystery Case Files games with main article to stop thé war i create and clean the mess over the Two articles? Please and thank for understand my regrets of the situation.Anonyme1989 (talk) 15:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• I think they're apologizing for some or all of their previous actions, and also requesting that you do something along the lines of what User:Ferret now seems to have done. MPS1992 (talk) 21:05, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• Yep, we've been conversing on it as the day went. I think we're landed where the user wanted. That article needs a lot of work still but for now, it's all together. -- ferret (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

85.242.48.58 evading block

85.242.48.58 (talk · contribs) is evading its block with IP address 85.243.168.182 (talk · contribs). SLBedit (talk) 22:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Now it's using a new IP address 83.223.243.120 (talk · contribs) (same edits as 85.243.168.182). SLBedit (talk) 15:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Batun Nur temple

Hello Drmies, please respect my edit and take it seriously. If you see any errors with the actual format please kindly fix them DO NOT REWORD THE Sentences. I have done that for a reason.

Ok well someone already banned me IDK why?? Im just trying to prove a point here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffykin1 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffykin1 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• You are going about it the wrong way. You may discuss your proposed changes on the talk page and seek consensus there. Not here. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Reporting Vandalism, etc

Sorry, I hope this isn't wasting your time. User:ElCucuy1981 has been here for nearly two months, during which time his Contributions indicate the only things he has done are create his userpage, create a draft article about himself(Draft:Cian Gleeson), and make one vandalistic edit, in which he gratuitously reversed the result of the only opinion poll in that article. The edit was reverted by another editor a minute later. (Incidentally, both his user page and his Draft, tho actually rather amusing, are such that an unwary or naive or very young reader might at least arguably confuse them with a genuine Wikipedia article, perhaps especially if reading from a mirror site.) I am insufficiently familiar with disciplinary matters to know whether this kind of behavior needs to be dealt with or is best ignored, so I thought I'd mention it to the admin I respect most, and let you decide what, if anything, should be done about it. Once again, my apologies if this proves an unnecessary waste of your time. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 11:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• OK, that was actually easy: WP:NOTHERE applied. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and Regards.Tlhslobus (talk) 23:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Q.E.D.

I think his comment you called him out on rather supports the meaning of the message of the essay in question.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• For starters it begs the question of identity. Being a Trump supporter isn't much of an identity either. Generalized or even stereotyped condemnation of a group of people, if that is even what JzG would be doing, isn't the same as playing "identity politics", as he is being accused of, unless "identity politics" really means nothing at all. At the very least I want Masem to recognize that using loaded words is simply not helpful (and you may know that I thought that having that content on JzG's user page was problematic...). Drmies (talk) 17:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• I have to agree. because they have put so much weight on standing steadfast on policies and guidelines related to reliable sources. is another problematic quote. Is it really an issue that we stick to reliable sources? Y'know, our policies regarding reliable sources and using them only happen to be the core content policies or non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what you're agreeing with. I assume you're agreeing with me because that would make the most sense! What you quote is from JzG's epistle? But even if that's the case (and I certainly don't agree with it, whoever said it), that still doesn't make for "identity politics". BTW I saw Masem's clarification, which I found odd. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
    • I was agreeing with Dlohcierkim (but also agree with you) and quoting from Masem. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
      • Well of course, being sensible, we agree with you, Drmies. (grins). -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
• (talk page stalker)I just saw what this was about thanks to the link above. I agree that that is an odd use of the phrase "identity politics", but I would point out that conservative commentators use the term as a bit of a catch-all: Since political opinions are part of our identity, they can get away with labeling any political opinion they don't like as "identity politics" (a term they established during the first decade of this century to be a Bad Thing™) and that seems to be exactly what Masem was doing.

The only thing I find truly confusing is the notion that a Joni Mitchell cover of Unchained Melody is somehow intimately associated with middle-aged, middle-class white guys. After all, I'm a middle-aged, middle-class white guy and I'd rather listen to this.* ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

^*

that link is probably NSFW. Blurry boobies abound.

Me too. where's my geritol?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Just imagine, "my child's a stranger, I bore her...but I could not raise her." I have never heard more truth in any black metal album than is in those lines. It's not an "association"; rather, it's a statement, an identification. You may not like it, but I believe there's some accuracy to it. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Ahhh, I see it. I saw the title and assumed it was a cover of the classic made famous by the Righteous Brothers. But it's a completely different work that does speak to middle-aged middle-classness. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• Check out "Unchained Malady" by Slugdge. And then "Big Balls" by Frank Sinatra. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive user

User:Northatlantic320 has been edit warring on 2018 Pacific hurricane season and created a similar title article to avoid the full protection on Tropical Depression Twenty-Three-E (2018). Im fairly certain that Oshwah is offline now. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 18:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• It's reported at ANEW? And this is worth fighting over why? Northatlantic320, you are not "helping Wikipedia be a better place", and the more you go on, the more likely it is you'll be blocked. Drmies (talk) 18:06, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

He violated the full page protection on the Tropical Depression Twenty-Three-E (2018) redirect by creating this. Appears the user who was reporting him at ANEW wants me to report the edit warring part now, but I thought the part about violating the page protection deserves mention here. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 18:11, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

By the way, Figfires, my Twinkle wasn't working, so I couldn't get the ANEW report up. Sorry about bothering you. Hdjensofjfnen (If you want to trout me, go ahead!) 18:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Its just that I'm fed up of users removing information from articles I have created. Northatlantic320 (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Northatlantic320: Please read our general notability guidelines. You're welcome to contribute, but not on unremarkable tropical depressions that are already covered by a larger article. Hdjensofjfnen (If you want to trout me, go ahead!) 18:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Bahun

Thank you for the assistance at Bahun - I'm attempting to hammer out a compromise solution between the two disputants, but so far it's very early days. Honestly, fascinating things like this consubstantial funeral ceremony are exactly what gets me excited by Wikipedia so I hope we can do something better than just deleting the topic. Probably a good idea to keep half an eye on this one though. Anyway, thank you again.

• Sure thing. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

OrCAD

Hi Drmies, I wonder what's your beef with the OrCAD article to revert me twice on what I would consider restoring the "status quo" by undoing a careless if not near-disruptive edit by the editor who removed the history section recently - he thereby destroyed what has been the actual core of the article so far. It was quite informative and stable for many years. I am not involved with OrCAD and it is decades ago that I used their tool myself, so I am not prepared to write an article about them or it. Also, I have only contributed some minor stuff to this article so far. But I'm interested enough in the topic of EDA tools in general to not like seeing such info being destroyed - in particular not by drive-by-editing. I expect to find exactly this kind of encyclopedic information (and more) in such articles - we are doing the same for other EDA tools.

Yes, it would be possible to split out the company info, but at less than 15 KB the article is very far away from actually needing a split - it might be necessary in a couple of years, when enough information has been accumulated, but not now. For as long as we don't need to disambiguate different articles, I think, a title "OrCAD" is also appropriate for a company named "OrCAD Systems Corporation" (we have lots of company articles residing under commonly used but shortened company names). We even have a redirect pointing to it. So, I really don't see the pressing needs to perform a split now, and even less to remove the info altogether. This is opposite to our normal procedure of incrementally growing an article over years in collaboration until it is really ripe for a split.

Anyway, for some reason you seem to have a strong opinion on it, otherwise you would not have reverted your fellow editor twice. I would appreciate your reconsideration (perhaps after checking the article history), in particular as normally a stable status quo stays when a bold edit isn't meet with agreement - and I do not agree with its removal.

Thanks and greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• I don't have "beef", and I simply disagree with you completely. I think the argument (keep the company history in there) is not a strong one, and thus I fully support the edit by Toddst1, an editor with plenty of experience. You are welcome to make your case on the talk page. But here is something else: this article is such a god-awful mess, with histories and chronologies that don't seem to match very well, because none of the "product" entries have release dates or other indications of chronology. The history of PSpice is broken up in two parts, with the more recent part coming first. Layout is discontinued, but it never started; CIS has a "latest iteration" but comes ex nihilo. If you want that lengthy and highly confusing company history in there, you'll have to do a lot more than just revert me, and one of the things that should be cleared up as well is the lead, which right now uses "the company" as if this is simple, and it isn't, since that company is no more. But the fact remains that this combination of basically product description and poorly-matched (former/founding) company history is a very poor match. Creating a separate article, a content fork, is a very simple thing, BTW. And if you want to keep what you call the "core" of the article, fork off the product suite, which is owned by a different company anyway. Drmies (talk) 01:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
• I have nominated this promotional article for deletion after searching for indications of notability. ^Bongo_matic 02:14, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

local sea lion

Hey. I guess you're referring partly to me with the local sea lioning comment. I hope this isn't how you view me as an editor. Bishonen has recently made a comment about me here which somewhat surprised me, given that I don't think I've ever interacted with them. I have biases. They influence my editing, no question about it. I can only try to accept where I've been wrong and try to get better. In the case at question with Ingraham, I misunderstood the sourced article. I didn't get the sentence structure in the source - I thought anti-immigrant referred to Trumpism, not Ingraham. I asked a couple times for clarification but didn't get any, until a few replies later from Snoogans where I finally got it. Sure, that's my fault for not understanding, but I'm trying. I don’t have a lot of time to spend on Wikipedia, but I edit Wikipedia because I think it is important. I believe in the core values, and I told all my friends and family how an article I started was recently feature on the front page. I think I'll take some time off political topics on Wikipedia, due to the direction it is heading. For example I find this diff to be particularly ridiculous. Here we have a claim against a living person - that he was involved in drugging and multiple gang rapes over a 2 year period - and I called this claim "wild," which was redacted per BLP against the claimant! If this is how it works then I don't understand the policies enough to participate. Maybe the Vols can bring me some joy tomorrow, but it seems very unlikely. Mr Ernie (talk) 00:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have biases. They influence my editing, no question about it. We all have biases. If they affect your editing, try editing articles where you have no biases. [2] O3000 (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Not sure I agree with you. Everyone's biases affect their editing. As long as your editing follows policies there's no problem. Most editors edit topics they are interested in, and have biases about. Mr Ernie (talk) 00:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Interests may very well affect, to some extent, your choice of articles; but biases should never affect how you go about editing them. I have an interest in music. But when Meghan Trainor appeared in the NYT Sunday crossword three weeks back for winning an undeserved (IMO) award, I didn’t go edit her article (which I assume exists) to try to find WP guidelines to change anything. (Although I did add a spoiler here.) O3000 (talk) 00:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Yep. Everyone has biases. And if you're honest enough to admit them, you can get dragged off to Arbcom. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:42, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Mr Ernie, maybe they didn't get that you didn't get that. It did look a bit like you were stonewalling, intentionally or not. That is the kind of thing that makes for difficult editing, and I remember editors being topic-banned for doing that all-too regularly. Speaking of stonewalling, your Vols aren't doing so well--I missed a touchdown while I was putting up dishes. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris, that is an interesting case. I noted in the ANI thread that I think it weakens the admin's position--of course he did a bit more than admitting his bias, and admitting bias wasn't really his purpose anyway. (Wow, Mr Ernie, and now one of your guys is ejected. Can't see the actual infraction.) Yeah, JzG is outspoken, but I've never doubted his judgment, though I think (and I think he agreed with my saying that) that it hampers him when adminning in that area, and God knows we need admins in that area. OK Mr Ernie--I'm watching these Alabama players perform at a level I've never seen college players do their thing. Tua is great but holy moly he's got a set of players around him who make him even better. No, I wasn't in the stadium in 2004 or 2006, though I was in town when we beat Peyton, and when I was at Tennessee as a lecturer the football program was waning. Knoxville was a nice place to live though I blame my daughter's asthma on it, on those sixty lanes of interstate running right through it. OMG that was touchdown no. 4. Boris, I think we're getting the ball from the one place to the other place. Take care, Drmies (talk) 20:21, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Actually, Mr Ernie, I wasn't really thinking of you, and maybe it wasn't really about any single person. I don't know about the Kavanaugh thing, though I understand that that claim (the Avenati claim, right?) was indeed wild...*check*...no, "wild claim" was certainly no BLP violation, IMO. As for the Vols, HA! What was it I saw...no one has ever been able to post a Tennessee victory picture on Instagram? (Unless it was an old one.) Oh! Vol fans sing "Rocky Top" all the time, since if they only sing it after a victory they'll forget the words. And you've seen this? No, I take the Vols seriously; this is never easy. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • That's a good song. I was surprised to find out it was written so recently. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
    • I must have heard it plenty, but it never stuck. Boris, it took me a couple of years to understand Alabama football and why they cared so much for it. Now I don't understand why anyone cares for any other team, or why they even have songs and stuff. It seems so pointless. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I was in the stadium in 2004 and 2006. Those were the days... Mr Ernie (talk) 02:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Re your ping, Mr Ernie. Well, we have sort of interacted. I hesitate to link to our point of intersection in 2017, since it was quickly and for good reason blanked by a clerk. But it hasn't been oversighted, so what the hell, here it is. You're probably right that we haven't interacted, though — you were the only one who acted — since I preferred not to reply to that, and have in fact tried to avoid you ever since. But it was a long time ago, I'm over it, and am now considering resuming — or indeed beginning — relations by putting some comments about your recent editing at Talk:Laura Ingraham on your own page, which is obviously a better place for them than here. I'll just have to see if I find the time. And also to see if maybe the way you sound so sad above spoils my taste for upbraiding you. Bishonen | talk 07:24, 20 October 2018 (UTC).

Thanks for the response - I had forgotten about it. I'm glad you are over it. I'm not sad, far from it. Things are going better than ever (except for football, although last week was great). Don't let me spoil your taste for anything, and I would welcome your comments about my editing. At this point, however, I think I'm going to steer clear from political topics. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

You couldn't make this game up. TN keeps the follies going and AL looks like they play in the NFL.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

This is Not A Booty Call

Hi. DoctorSpeed^{Want to talk?} —Preceding undated comment added 20:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Good because that would be very unprofessional. Drmies (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Another r/d request

Hello D. Please take a look at this edit and see if the revealing of info merits r/d. As ever thanks for you time. MarnetteD|Talk 20:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Absolutely--thanks. It qualified for suppression. Alright, I gotta go and support my team--we just had a possession that DIDNT end in a touchdown, so I'm in crisis mode. Drmies (talk) 20:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
• What's this unhealthy obsession with football instead of hopjes and liquorice?? ^Bongo_matic 03:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
  • As I get older my taste buds lean more towards savory, I guess. Sweat! Blood! Drmies (talk) 17:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Richard Witschge

Hey there, how's it going? Hopefully well...

Just finished cleaning up/sourcing more this article, but can not quite properly translate the reference #13 (hopefully, all the other in Dutch i translated well)... And this, my dear wiki-friend, is where you come in if you please!

Continue the odissey, pleasant and stormy, regards from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 05:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, Witschge! Haven't thought about him in ages. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
• You know I'm still wanting to visit you in Portugal, right? I don't care what season. Drmies (talk) 03:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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Restoring trolling means you own it

I have a lot of respect for you, but you should stay out of areas you don't know or care to know about. [3] 72bikers lost their talkpage access because they restored that attack post, after I replaced it with "personal attack removed". They regularly clear their talkpage but preserve attacks against me there since April 2018 while insisting I can't post any response. You reposted that nonsense, so effectively you made it yourself. Would you appreciate me posting a bunch of lies about you? Would you appreciate an Admin coming by and making such a post about you? Legacypac (talk) 23:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

• If you do that on your own talk page, and what you say isn't racist or whatever, yeah, I couldn't care less. And no, I didn't "make it myself" but if that makes you feel better, sure. BTW they really told you to stay away? And you didn't? You know we block for that, right? Drmies (talk) 02:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

  (talk page stalker)I was recently described as a "horrible admin". I feel kinda proud of that. I worry little about what a problematical editor thinks. And I certainly don't brawl with them on their talk pages. I would ignore them and let them alone. They've got enough trouble.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

• Exactly. What's funny, though, is that I just ran into Legacypac, where they had the misfortune of running into a sock of a particularly d-baggy editor, on Talk:Corporation--in 2013. These socks are persistent. Now, Dlohcierekim, reliable sources say I'm the only rational editor here, so there you go--and since I don't think you're that horrible, I'm going to leave the place to you for the night. Or you can hand over to Cullen328, if he's already up from his post-lunch nap. BTW, a little birdie asked me if there were editors around who'd be good RfA candidates. Any thoughts? Drmies (talk) 03:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Drimes not only restored the attack that 72bikers lost his talkpage access over, and added on the suggestion I did something wrong. Drimes has no business reposting lies about me. Legacypac (talk) 03:15, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Legacypac, as Elsa (or the other one?) famously said, "Let it go". Drmies (talk) 03:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Since even Drimes is not immune from making mistakes, might as well nominate me for Admin. I've got a hell of a track record on cleanup and my block log is proof even some of the most well known Admins make really stupid mistakes. I'm a little sensitive to being pushed around but that will change when I get Super Mario powers because I'll not care anymore. Legacypac (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

See that is the issue, you have to start by not caring. PackMecEng (talk) 03:30, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Legacypac, I recommend that you cool down and read Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be). Then listen to the song, about seven times. Calm down and move on. That editor is blocked for a month (though I concede that Drmies has asked for clemency). Upon unblocking, I recommend that they stay away from you and you stay away from them. As for the severity of the personal attack, gimme a break. He called you a liar? Some creep threatened to kill my infant granddaughter for some routine Wikipedia editing that I did. He even attached a photo of her to the threat. As for you, Drmies, you know how cute my granddaughter is. I am 66 and self employed. There are days when I work hard three hours and then take a nap. I am the boss. Today was not such a day. My son and I completed a difficult project near Stanford University. That involved about six hours of driving and five hours of hard work. So, no nap for me today. Next week, maybe. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:10, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure your grandkid is cute. I'm not heated up at all. As a responsible editor who has a deep understanding of the issues they cause from dealing with them for 6 months, I'm a useful part of the solution. I dislike Admins that assume BOTH regular editors are part of the problem and NO Admin ever is. Legacypac (talk) 04:33, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Legacypac, the grandkid is adorable. In my case, it's my daughter who is threatened by various trolls, and one of our LTAs wrote to denounce me to the president of the university system, the chancellor of my campus, and my various other bosses. It took me a few days with HR to convince them that it was just a disgruntled idiot. So being called "liar" really means little, in the scheme of things. If you run for admin, and you get those special glasses, you can read the rev-deleted items in my talk page and user page history, for shits and giggles. And then imagine how much worse it gets if one is an editor or admin with color and/or without penis, cause comparatively speaking Cullen and I have it easy. User:Dlohcierekim, I see those names. Hickory is on a roll. Binksternet is an old-timer with solid knowledge. CLCStudent is in the Hickory/Oshwah category, as far as I know, and shows good judgment too. Serial Number probably has too good a sense of humor to ever make it through RfA, but I'd support them. Drmies (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Admin candidates-- we have many that would do a great job. None I'd subject to an RfA in it's present condition. HickoryOughtShirt?4, Binksternet, CLCStudent, Home Lander, Robert McClenon (tried not long ago) and Serial Number 54129 all come readily to mind. Trouble is if your RfA fails, you are required to wait like 20 years before you try again. I'd hate to ruin someone's chances by having them try too early.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

What PackMecEng said--. Even back when I was an aspiring Admin candidate and it was fairly easy, one needed to demonstrate the ability to rise above the unhappy aspersions of those editors who have problems working in a collaborative environment. Not brawling and knowing when to drop the stick and knowing that opinions are like anuses-- everyone has one and some of them stink-- and we still need to accept that and move on. You need a certain centeredness within yourself or else the pressures of the job will crush you. Non admins have no idea how stressful this job can be. Because you are under much greater scrutiny as an admin and you have to maintain the trust of the community to remain credible. That does not mean other editors are going to agree with you all the time and it does not mean some are not going to be very unhappy as they Monday morning quarterback your decisions. And resent you because the community may not be as incensed over your decisions as they are.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Of course you can be part of the solution, Legacypac, but I suggest that you should shed this kind of "liar" comment like water off a duck's back. Focus on what is truly disruptive to the encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:09, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Meanwhile, IP shenanigans continue at Corporation. More eyes, please. bd2412 T 11:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

User:BD2412, I blocked that most recent IP--obvious evasion from the same sock. I don't have much time right now. User:Dlohcierekim, I think you're smarter than I am: could you have a look to see if there's ranges that can be blocked, if there's proxying going on, etc.? Link to the SPI is on the talk page, and the history of talk page and article will give you some of the IPs. Or, if you think that's wiser, semi-protect either one? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I've removed the whole thread, for reasons given in the really long edit summary. Just posting here to clarify that when I said I'd block indef if this is restored, I'm obviously talking about 72bikers, not you Drmies. You, I'd only block 2 weeks. 3 tops. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:04, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

• Floquenbeam, I trust and accept your judgment. I hope 72bikers sees the light--I am sure you offered some advice. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
• Alas and alack, I never mastered the skill of rangeblocking. The math makes me cross eyed.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Only You (Cheat Codes and Little Mix song)

Regarding to the revert you made on this article because the IP think it's the same Yazoo song which it isn't according to other editors, it looks like someone is doing the same thing on LM5 (album). Do you think you have time to look through the article and maybe protect the article? Thanks. Raritydash (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 30

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Thank you!

I thought I'll never get out of that lunatic's face!UltimateHope (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm yes, sure--but you can't go around calling people lunatics here, and you can always disengage... Drmies (talk) 23:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Personally, I never go beyond WP:1RR with lunatics. Oh, and I try not to call them lunatics anyway. It's such hard work! Gotta keep an eye out for the position of the moon at all times. MPS1992 (talk) 01:09, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Good point. Let me check. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Schmerling Caves

I did a quick editing pass. Mostly the meaning seems clear. A bit more context, past controversy, and modern commentary would be nice additions. I assume those were not in the original French article. It's probable that much of the past discussion is in French and/or Dutch instead of English, which means I can't help with finding it. I'll make sure this page gets added to the list of fossil sites (notable hominin finds are still included in that list, though an argument could be made for spinning them off into their own list.). Thanks for thinking of me! Elriana (talk) 03:38, 27 October 2018 (UTC)