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Protection papers

I just copyedited the protection papers article to resolve the "#" issue. However, there are worse problems. Most importantly, major parts of the article seem to be copy-pasted from the sources: A copyright violation. Instead we shoud summarize in our own words what those sources say. If that isn't resolved as soon as possible, the article may well be deleted. This copy-paste approach to article writing also led to quite a high level of redundancy, with different sources' coverage of the same aspects repeated. Also, some parts of the article seemed rather off-topic and irrelevant to me, such as the discussions of individual holders of protection papers (I've removed two such paragraphs). The various "important for modern research" remarks should probably be gathered in a separate section and not sprinkled throughout the article. You may also want to check wheter I got all the punctuation right; I wouldn't be surprised if I had misinterpreted some. Huon (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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How to use non-free sources material

Hello, Hadden. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.

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Thank you for entering into the conversation about this, as it may help me clarify the issues.

First, you may base your work on a 14th century manuscript but that does not mean your work is free from copyright. Translation and exposition are forms of derivative work and entitled to new copyright under the U.S. law that governs us. It doesn't really matter if others have used Latham's words as well - what matters is that, without proof that they are public domain, we cannot, unless we are presenting them as explicit quotation. This is required by our copyright policy. Even if they are public domain, our guideline on plagiarism (Wikipedia:Plagiarism) requires that we note explicitly that we have copied the text from our source.

Beyond that, "fair use" is not the standard to which we aspire here - Wikipedia has deliberately chosen a narrower goal for several reasons. First, fair use is context specific, and we are aspiring to create content that can be used anywhere, by anyone, for any purpose. This is why we license our material for reuse commercially, for instance, even though we are ourselves non-profit. Additionally, this is not a line we care to push since there can be disagreement on what constitutes fair use. While the editorial practices you have used with quotations may be perfectly fair for an academic review article, paragraphs like the two that were removed by another administrator here are unlikely in my opinion to be transformative enough for publication on one of the most accessed websites in the world. As our policy dictates at WP:NFC, for non-free content to be used on Wikipedia, we must be reasonably sure that its usage would be considered fair in United States copyright law and also that it complies with our own non-free content criteria.

I notice, too, that you copied content into the article from another Wikipedia page: History of archery. You did this without providing the requisite credit to the authors of that content. As I had explained to you earlier the day you created the article, this is not permitted. Wikipedia's articles are liberally licensed, but they are not public domain. Our content cannot be reused without meeting the terms of our license. You can see the process for complying with our policy on reusing Wikipedia's content at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.

Addressing the Western bias in Wikipedia is important, and this seems like a good article for us to have, but it is also important for us to make sure that the article we wind up with complies with our approach to non-free content. The entire page has been blocked because it is not possible to determine how much of it you copied from other sources. The image is not an issue, but is simply blanked with the rest of the page until we can be sure that it has been written in original text, using only brief quotations as supplemental and supportive to your original content.

If you have any questions about any of this, please let me know at my talk page. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Your change to the article Arab archery has been reverted. Please note the instructions for addressing the copyright issue. You are welcome to rewrite it, but you must do so in the temporary space provided. (This part begins "If you would like to begin working on a new version....") The template you removed from the article page also talks about how and where this is done, at the bolded text reading, "Otherwise, you may write a new article without copyright-infringing material. Click "Show" to read where and how." This is important because your rewrite will be reviewed by an administrator prior to publication to ensure that your new version does not constitute a derivative of any external sources. They may not accept the rewrite with the use of bald quotations; as has been explained to you, this is not consistent with our policies and guidelines on handling copyrighted materials. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please enter into a discussion about the copyright issues mentioned above?

Thanks. This is important as if you continue to add copyvio we'll have no alternative but to block your editing, which would be a shame. Dougweller (talk) 09:41, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fort Dobbs (North Carolina)

I have reverted your Carolina Road edit again, primarily because I think the distinction is artificial. First, the "Great Wagon Road" was the road that proceeded to Georgia; the fork leading to the southwest was not the Great Wagon road, but a fork. Second, the term "Carolina Road" appears to be a term specific to Virginia, meaning a local term designating which leg of the fork south of Roanoke leads in which direction; that's moot, though, because in the 1750's-60's, both roads led to Carolina. The term "Carolina Road" is not used in North Carolina to describe that section. Lastly, the Carolina Road article further acknowledges that "In our state it is known as the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road, the Great Wagon Road, or simply the Wagon Road. In Virginia, it is called the Carolina Road, because it led to Carolina." This supports the contention that the name is an artificial distinction, and leads to greater confusion. I'm happy to discuss this with you further, but given the lack of use of "Carolina Road", I can't, without further evidence, support its inclusion. Cdtew (talk) 03:34, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think you are confused by multiple names, times and destinations. The Carolina road is indeed a local name, but was used both in northern and southern Virginia, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania, as a trail that followed along the Great Wagon Road, the Great Indian Warpath, and several other colonial trails that often followed the same path, veered off to one side or the other, and sometimes came back together. The Great Wagon Road also continued southwest from what is now Roanoke, where the Carolina Road (the name for going south) and the Philadelphia road (the name for going north) turned off to the south and southeast. The Great Wagon Road continued southwest to the area around historic Fort Chiswell, near the region where I-81 and I-77 now come together. Part of the Great Wagon Road then also forked and became part of the Wilderness Trail that led westward to the Cumberland Gap and into what is now Tennessee and Kentucky, and into the region blazed by Daniel Boone, while other trails led further southward toward Bristol, Virginia. Various names, various ethnic groups, and various directions gave the same trails confusing directions and destinations. Rather than a series of distinct modern roads with separate names such as I-81 and Route 11, think of them as closer to a series of electrical wires that are bound together. Separate wires may lead off to other circuits, but they mostly use the same conduit.

I don't doubt that there was a local distinction in various states as to various trails that were all part of the "Great Wagon Road", but none of my (North Carolina-centric) sources differentiate; they universally use the term "Great Wagon Road" to describe the path settlers took into North Carolina from Virginia. Wikipedia is all about sources - if you can provide me with a reviewable source for the Carolina road being a distinct, separate path from the "Great Wagon Road", and it being the path that led settlers into the Fort Dobbs vicinity, I can agree to its inclusion. Right now, though, the Carolina Road article itself is a mess of local history, folklore, and confusion. Its information largely over-simplifies what you admit was a complex series of trails. Also, you are incorrect, in that the Great Wagon Road itself didn't head southwest from Roanoke - the 1751 map depicting it (seen at Great Wagon Road shows it heading due south. Cdtew (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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	Actually, I think you are confused by multiple names, times and destinations. The Carolina road is indeed a local name, but was used both in northern and southern Virginia, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania, as a trail that followed along the Great Wagon Road, the Great Indian Warpath, and several other colonial trails that often followed the same path, veered off to one side or the other, and sometimes came back together. The Great Wagon Road also continued southwest from what is now Roanoke, where the Carolina Road (the name for going south) and the Philadelphia road (the name for going north) turned off to the south and southeast. The Great Wagon Road continued southwest to the area around historic Fort Chiswell, near the region where I-81 and I-77 now come together. Part of the Great Wagon Road then also forked and became part of the Wilderness Trail that led westward to the Cumberland Gap and into what is now Tennessee and Kentucky, and into the region blazed by Daniel Boone, while other trails led further southward toward Bristol, Virginia. Various names, various ethnic groups, and various directions gave the same trails confusing directions and destinations. Rather than a series of distinct modern roads with separate names such as I-81 and Route 11, think of them as closer to a series of electrical wires that are bound together. Separate wires may lead off to other circuits, but they mostly use the same conduit.		Actually, I think you are confused by multiple names, times and destinations. The Carolina road is indeed a local name, but was used both in northern and southern Virginia, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania, as a trail that followed along the Great Wagon Road, the Great Indian Warpath, and several other colonial trails that often followed the same path, veered off to one side or the other, and sometimes came back together. The Great Wagon Road also continued southwest from what is now Roanoke, where the Carolina Road (the name for going south) and the Philadelphia road (the name for going north) turned off to the south and southeast. The Great Wagon Road continued southwest to the area around historic Fort Chiswell, near the region where I-81 and I-77 now come together. Part of the Great Wagon Road then also forked and became part of the Wilderness Trail that led westward to the Cumberland Gap and into what is now Tennessee and Kentucky, and into the region blazed by Daniel Boone, while other trails led further southward toward Bristol, Virginia. Various names, various ethnic groups, and various directions gave the same trails confusing directions and destinations. Rather than a series of distinct modern roads with separate names such as I-81 and Route 11, think of them as closer to a series of electrical wires that are bound together. Separate wires may lead off to other circuits, but they mostly use the same conduit.
	:I don't doubt that there was a local distinction in various states as to various trails that were all part of the "Great Wagon Road", but none of my (North Carolina-centric) sources differentiate; they universally use the term "Great Wagon Road" to describe the path settlers took into North Carolina from Virginia. Wikipedia is all about sources - if you can provide me with a reviewable source for the Carolina road being a distinct, separate path from the "Great Wagon Road", and it being the path that led settlers into the Fort Dobbs vicinity, I can agree to its inclusion. Right ~~not~~, though, the Carolina Road article itself is a mess of local history, folklore, and confusion. Its information largely over-simplifies what you admit was a complex series of trails. Also, you are incorrect, in that the Great Wagon Road itself didn't head southwest from Roanoke - the 1751 map depicting it (seen at [[Great Wagon Road]] shows it heading due south. [[User:Cdtew\|'''<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">Cdtew</span>''']] ([[User talk:Cdtew\|talk]]) 17:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)		:I don't doubt that there was a local distinction in various states as to various trails that were all part of the "Great Wagon Road", but none of my (North Carolina-centric) sources differentiate; they universally use the term "Great Wagon Road" to describe the path settlers took into North Carolina from Virginia. Wikipedia is all about sources - if you can provide me with a reviewable source for the Carolina road being a distinct, separate path from the "Great Wagon Road", and it being the path that led settlers into the Fort Dobbs vicinity, I can agree to its inclusion. Right now, though, the Carolina Road article itself is a mess of local history, folklore, and confusion. Its information largely over-simplifies what you admit was a complex series of trails. Also, you are incorrect, in that the Great Wagon Road itself didn't head southwest from Roanoke - the 1751 map depicting it (seen at [[Great Wagon Road]] shows it heading due south. [[User:Cdtew\|'''<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">Cdtew</span>''']] ([[User talk:Cdtew\|talk]]) 17:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)