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1st ARY Film Awards

Hello, @Andy Mabbett, i want another favor, since you link ARY Film Award for Best Film Jury to Template : best_film_jury, i want you to link ARY Film Award for Best Film Viewers to Template : best_film_viewers. waiting for your action. Sorry to disturb you, i tried by myself to do it but i couldn't. in order to prevent any mishap to that page, it's better that you should do it!. Fushan ^{talk to Faizan} August 19, 2014, 00:39 (UTC).

@Fushan007: I'm sorry, I can't work out what it is that you're asking me to do, please can you rephrase? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits

VIAF

I've moved this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Authority control#Liaison with VIAF, to facilitate wider discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Steve Ormerod

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Request to Link the Parameter

I have copied this MSG here, i am waiting for your action.

@Pigsonthewing:, What i am saying is, in "Template:Infobox film awards" there are two parameters one is Best Film Jury Choice and other is Best Film Viewers Choice meas there are two type of Besy Film Awards. In Article 1st ARY Film Awards, both parameters should have linked to their respective articles, one Best Film parameter is already linked to its article and other i want you to linked it. Means you have to link ARY Film Award for Best Film Viewers to parameter best_film_viewers. Fushan ^{talk to Faizan} August 20, 2014, 16:23(UTC).

@Pigsonthewing:, Thank you so much. Andy, you are the king. Fushan ^{talk to Faizan} August 21, 2014, 2:27(UTC).

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THe Rev. Mark Petrakis

Dear Andy, thank you very much for showing me how to open a new Sandbox. I have written another article, about the Rev. Mark Petrakis. He was the father of Harry Mark Petrakis (see Wikipedia article). Here is the title of the Sandbox: User:Lambrini Papangelis/Mark Petrakis. Will you "clean it up" and mount it, please? The way you did the Harry Mark Petrakis article? Thanks so much.Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 22:27, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

"Stella Petrakis" (Wikipedia article)

Dear Andy, I have finished the last of my three articles about the Petrakis family. The third is titled "Stella Petrakis" and it is at User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 3. Will you please "clean it up" and mount it? Thank you for the opportunity to write for Wikipedia.Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 23:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lambrini Papangelis: I can't publish either this or the article in the preceding section, as they stand; although you have given sources, they are insufficient to establish notability; you need to show how they meet the criteria for inclusion by citing significant coverage in more than one independent sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Andy, Lambrini Papangelis here, authoress of "Harry Mark Petrakis," "Mark Petrakis" and "Stella Petrakis." I can see what you mean about Fr. Mark and Presbytera Stella not having enough "notability" to be published on Wikipedia, and I understand. We won't publish those.

Now, for the "Harry Mark Petrakis" article: there has been put a big exclamation point at the top that says the article needs additional citations. I would like to be the one to supply them. This will be easy when Petrakis's autobiography, titled "Song of My Life," comes out in October (2014). I will be able to add lots of citations then.Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Harry Mark Petrakis article missing two large sections

Dear Andy,

The Wikipedia article you mounted on Harry Mark Petrakis, that I edited in my Sandbox, is missing two large sections. They are "The Petrakis family" and "Gambling addiction." Please add them. They are in my Sandbox. Thank you. Lambrini Papangelis Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lambrini Papangelis: They were removed in this edit, citing our policy on Biographies of living people. I suggest you read that, and the edit summary cited. I'd also recommend you take a look at the page's "history" tab, and familiarise yourself with the "prev" links, so you can track other changes as they are made. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

No, no, Andy, Harry Mark Petrakis is not the same as Mark Petrakis. Harry Mark Petrakis is the Greek-American author of novels and short stories, the one Wikipedia already had an article on. Mark Petrakis is the Greek Orthodox priest father of Harry Mark Petrakis, the one whose life you said was not notable enough to be mounted on Wikipedia. Please put the two sections "The Petrakis Family" and "Gambling addiction" back in the Harry Mark Petrakis article. As it stands now, the article does not even show his birthplace, the names of his parents and siblings, the fact that his father was a priest and the fact that he even struggled with gambling at all. The sections are in my Sandbox. Please, put in the "The Petrakis family" and "Gambling addiction" sections. Lambrini PapangelisLambrini Papangelis (talk) 13:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lambrini Papangelis: Yes, that's what I meant, but the link-template was malformed; I've fixed it, above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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Scheduled Monuments images

OK sorry about that - its not an area I know. I was playing around with User:Dudemanfellabra/AddCommonsCatLinks have you tried it? Had a conversation with him last year (see User talk:Dudemanfellabra#Semi-automated addition of image(s) and/or commonscat link(s) to monument list about the functionality of the script - you may have ways to improve it?— Rod ^talk 12:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you've added a "wikidata" optional column to Template:EH listed building row - how do you find out the wikidata number/code if an article has one?— Rod ^talk 21:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

@Rodw: Each article has a "Wikidata item" link in its left-hand navigation panel. Copy the URL, and the Wikidata ID is the right-hand part of that. The parameter though will be most useful for monuments with no article. Once the tables are populated with everything else, we can scrape the data and make the Wikidata items, then put the IDs into the tables. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Andy don't know if you are on the WLM-UK mailing list <wlm-uk@wikimedia.org.uk> but discussions on there re wikidata & the WLM pic upload system being built at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wlmuk/ I've contributed some comments but the technical side (being done by Magnus Manske) is above my head - would you be willing/able to help?— Rod ^talk 19:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@Rodw: Sure - I'll join that list now. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Portal:Staffordshire

A little while ago you posted on the Staffordshire talk page about possibly starting a wikiproject for Staffodshire. Given that, I thought you may be interested, and perhaps willing to be involved with, the Staffordshire portal I've just started. Sotakeit (talk) 14:56, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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William Bloye name labels

Andy, you have removed the name= labels from the rows in the works of art table. This means that the KML map again shows the locations as #1, #2, etc. Can your new template put labels on the KML map?   Oosoom ^Talk  18:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@Oosoom: The names cased problems when included within other microformat emitting templates/ table rows. This was an unfortunate side-effect of other editors using the Coord template for things for which it was never intended. I recall adding something to this effect to its documentation, but that seems to have been watered down. I described the problem, and a fix, in Template talk:Coord/Archive 6#Removal of hCard microformat six years ago, but as you can see, got nowhere. I've now applied that fix; if it sticks, you can reuse those names without breaking anything else. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, re these two edits: you appear to have left an imbalance in the HTML - there is one </span> which doesn't match with anything earlier on. I think that it's one of the two in {{#if:{{{name|}}}|<span style="display:none"> ({{{name|}}})</span></span>|}} --Redrose64 (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Good catch; thanks. That should now be fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Stanley Rubinstein for deletion

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I am taking your comments to heart. While presently engaged in my own gnomish project, I may close the AfD as a speedy keep later today. (In the meantime, perhaps it will stimulate someone to find more info on Stanley.) Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 17:43, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Srich32977: Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your many fine edits to Rubinstein. And please accept my apology. I was too eager to nominate for afd. Also, I had no idea that the process would stimulate so much discussion (below). – S. Rich (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you; and for being big enough to say so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Many many short articles

I'm truly sorry but I just don't understand why you'd want to create a bunch of short stub articles with little information and little chance that anyone would add more, as in Henry Wheeler (signalman), and Stanley Rubinstein (pretty much doomed to remain a one sentence stub). These articles on individual persons don't even list what music and books they chose for their desert island stint, which is the whole point of the individuals chosen to be on the series. Wouldn't a more cohesive way of approaching this be to have a parent article that thoroughly explains Desert Island Discs, the range of selections, the history of the series, etc. which currently the parent article doesn't do? Parabolooidal (talk) 20:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Parabolooidal: Such an article would indeed be an improvement, but would not preclude the stub articles under discussion. It's generally considered inappropriate to list castaways' sections in their articles, unless there is some relevance to their career; otherwise such material is usually removed. The point of people being on the programme is not their choice of music, but the opportunity to discuss their lives. You appear to have overlooked my comment in the Rubinstein discussion, to which another commenter has already referred, that I am awaiting a transcript of the programme in order to find out more about him (since he shares his name with other lawyers, making it difficult to match the existing press coverage to a specific person). Your "little chance that anyone would add more" seems to be unsubstantiated speculation; me experience is that the opposite is often the case. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

From reading the BBC website, I think there's little chance. They've explained why some are missing (legal reasons, never recorded to begin with, other problems). But if you are able, I'll certainly apologize to you! Meanwhile, I've asked User:Gerda Arendt to explain and amplify how stub articles support "consistency" and help our readers, since that user seems to think as you. Parabolooidal (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Missing audio recordings != missing transcripts. I shall enjoy your apology. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

(ec) Example: I created an article on a chamber music ensemble. A source mentioned players, I mentioned them in the article, another user removed the names as not notable, I created 4 stubs, hoping that I or someone else will expand them eventually. One was expanded already. - I also often create stubs for topics that have longer articles in other Wikipedias, as a bridge to that information for those who know the language. - Wikipedia has bigger problems than stubs, - loss of editors one of them. I wish I could turn the energy of a deletion discussion of something harmless in a few more stubs ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Gerda Arendt, your reply is about what you did! That really doesn't help Pigsonthewing's stub articles! Creating stubs in the hope that others will do the work? (I just looked at your contributions and saw one of your last ones was scrubbed. What did you say that was so awful?) Parabolooidal (talk) 21:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Never heard "scrubbed", English is not my first language, I consider my time precious. Keep simple. I expand my stubs later myself. What makes you think that Andy doesn't plan to do the same. Read again what I said above about wish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm very curious, Gerda Arendt! Your post to <deleted>ColonelHenry at 16.51 today (August 30)</deleted> was deleted from the encyclopaedia.(Look at your contributions and you'll see.) If you consider your "time precious", you should look into that as it was a wasted post. Just trying to help you not waste time! Parabolooidal (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, Gerda Arendt, I see what is happening. You are repeatedly posting on the pages of blocked and/or banned users, such as User talk:Boing! said Zebedee and User:ColonelHenry. You've figured out a way to post on pages without the date showing up by making little "updates" promoting your views. But your repeated posts probably result in the orange message banner being displayed to the user that may be irritating to those users, especially since you seem to be posting repeatedly on the pages of members of ArbCom and editors that have very active talk pages on the pedia e.g. Moonriddengirl, Bishonen, Floquenbeam etc. Is this a campaign of some sort? Parabolooidal (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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