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Removal of information that is "redundant" to infoboxes

Hi, Wk. I notice you have made a number of edits recently where you removed text from articles because the same information is also listed in an infobox. I believe you have misunderstood how infoboxes work in relation to article content. Infoboxes summarize key points, but it is expected that the same information would also be in the text of the article. You may want to take a look at WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE for more about this. I encourage you to reverse these recent changes. --RL0919 (talk) 23:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello RL0919. Thank you for reaching out to me. I do agree and perhaps I should have used a modified reason for reverting. Based on other film articles for short films (using the Laurel and Hardy filmography as a guide), the mention of the Stooges names in the opening paragraph is redundant since it already states that this is a film starring the Three Stooges. Their names then appear in the text of the page, usually in the plot. The pages have been like this for quite a few years and the addition of the Stooges' names adds nothing to the page that is not already there. In short, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Your thoughts. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 23:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

OK, that is a more complex situation than just redundancy with an infobox. I don't think it is an exact parallel to Laurel and Hardy, since the lineup for the Stooges did vary. If the actors' full names appear in the body of the article (for example, if there is a Cast section, or actor names are mentioned parenthetically after character names in the Plot section), then it's arguable whether the detail of the lineup needs to be in the lead -- it becomes a lead vs. body question rather than infobox vs. article text. But actor names don't appear anywhere else except the infobox, then it should be put in the text somewhere. Also, it looks like some of the reverts took out other details, such as the year of release, which does belong in the lead of film articles. So at the least I think the changes should be made a bit more carefully. --RL0919 (talk) 00:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I agree with User:RL0919. The year of release certainly belongs in the lead; it is now missing from Slippery Silks and some others I checked. It is good for the lead to specify which Stooge lineup is featured. Film articles from the Laurel and Hardy filmography may not be the best guide to follow, as the articles are of variable quality. It would be better to follow the model of A Cure for Pokeritis, How Brown Saw the Baseball Game, Alien vs. Predator (film), and other film Featured Articles (listed here). Ewulp (talk) 00:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, not a problem. Nothing that cannot be fixed. I will go through these articles today and readd the info in a less klunky fashion. Thanks all. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good to me; thanks for your openness to feedback. --RL0919 (talk) 00:39, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Of course. Frankly, I take the rotating Stooge line-up for granted, thinking any casual viewer knows there were several "third" stooges; hence the reason not to mention it from the get go." I started rewriting yesterday. Will try to wrap up by Monday.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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• Not certain why I am getting this. Basic information on Karen Valentine is available at [[1]].Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Karen Valentine. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

• Please do not copy content from the IMDb to Wikipedia. This is user-generated content, and the IMDb should never be cited in a BLP. I recommend you read WP:RS and WP:BLP before you make any further edits to BLPs. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:48, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Fine. This will be the source of the most basic, readily available information on the subject. http://www.vipfaq.com/Karen%20Valentine.html, https://www.allmovie.com/artist/p72636 or https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/karen-valentine.html. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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You continue to insist that the opening title card you've shared on the Telling Whoppers page is the original, and ask for "proof" when it's been removed.

As mentioned by another editor, the card in question was Photoshoped using a photograph of Joe Cobb taken a good 2-3 years after Telling Whoppers was produced. You can find it easily with a Google search, which is likely what the editor of the card did. In fact, many of the title cards for the silent films circulating the web right now are fan made. Well-made, yes. But nevertheless non-originals.

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So where is the original title card for Telling Whoppers? It's lost, like so many of the others. Comedy3 (talk) 05:52, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Ok, thank you for clarifying. Either way, there is no harm retaining it since a recreated title card is better than leaving the spot blank.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I was able to unearth an ad for the film that appeared in The Film Daily to replace the recreated title card. Hope this resolves this issue. Thank you kindly.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 20:47, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
    • For the record, Boys Will Be Joys featured four moving head shots of the boys during the opening titles, which is why I thought the recreated title card for Telling Whoppers was an original.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 20:49, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Title card has been replaced with original ad featured in The Film Daily. Deletion of Our Gang 1929 TellingWhoppers.jpg is fine. Thank you kindly.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Thank you for alerting me. Was unaware. Is that rule listed on Wiki somewhere?Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 00:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Ways to improve North Beach (album)

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Could use a couple more sources to strengthen notability.

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• Hello. Yes, I am aware that this article is in need of additional sources, which I am actively looking for. I guess I should mark the article as a "stub" for now.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 14:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Some problems with your edits

Thanks for adding some material here but I have to revert for several reasons. First, you cited an invalid source with Discogs.com. Secondly, you've changed the track listing to use {{track listing}} but why? Finally, you've included the small HTML tag when there is no fine print in the article. Can you please explain why you made these three changes? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

To add: I'm also confused as to why you added songwriters using the Note field. Why did you do this? Also, why did you include the back cover of the album? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for not highlighting reasons behind the changes. 1. I was unaware that discogs is an invalid source, particularly since the proof is indisputable based on photo uploads of original album releases. 2. The track listing required additional details and was incorrectly formatted as it pertained 1988, 2006 and 2014 re-releases. It appears those tracks were thrown in without regard to format. 3. The new format is consistent with other articles pertaining to this artist. See Jazz Impressions of A Boy Named Charlie Brown, The Eclectic Vince Guaraldi and Oaxaca (album). In general, most classic albums should be represented by their original release, with notes added pertaining to remasters, re-releases and such. 4. The rear cover was added for historical purposes because it is part of the original release and is not included in any re-releases. Please advise why these are issues. It appears this is nitpicking and splitting hairs when sources are added. Are these "problems" or are these just questions as to why? For an article that is as high profile as this one, it needed a considerable amount of formatting.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 19:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Wk3v78k23tnsa, 1.) Yes, this is an issue: Discogs is an invalid source. If your source is the liner notes to an album, then cite those instead of a scan of them on a third-party site that accepts user submissions. Why would that be better than using the actual source itself? 2.) Yes, this is an issue: there are several valid ways of styling a track listing and existing styles should be retained. Additionally, randomly inserting things that have semantic meaning like small because... you like to? is bad form and in some measure hostile to the intelligibility of the page. 3.) Yes, this is an issue: by your own reasoning, these articles should have track listings as plain lists per MOS:VAR. 4.) Yes, this is an issue: as I noted in the deletion nomination, this violates WP:NFCC#8. It is not "splitting hairs" for me to revert you for adding invalid sources (and seeming to have no understanding of WP:RS), inserting nonsense semantic content, and including non-free media without a valid rationale. I'm happy to have your help collaborating on this but the fact that you don't understand the importance of these issues is concerning. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain. Using small was not done because I "like to" (please cease the MOS:YOU). I had seen this format style at some point in the past and used it moving forward. That's all. I will use proper format moving forward. WP:AAGF. In all my years of using Wiki, I have never had issues with source citing until now so the accusation of "seeming to have no understanding of WP:RS" is grossly insulting. Thank you kindly.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 22:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Wk3v78k23tnsa, It was not clear to me why you used that tag, so thank you for explaining. I was assuming good faith that you were trying to improve the encyclopedia and sure enough, many of the changes you made were improvements, so I tried to temper my criticism with appreciation: I respect anyone who gives free labor to this project. Since WP:RS is a pretty key extension of WP:OR, I take it pretty seriously. It so happens that I recently looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources and learned quite a bit myself, so I would encourage you to take a peek there to see some sources considered acceptable and not acceptable by that project. All of us have things to learn (myself included) and all of us have things to give (yourself included), so I appreciate you working with me to make this reference work better. Thanks again and pardon me if my tone was too hostile. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Again, do not insert {{track listing}} per MOS:VAR and WP:ALBUMSTYLE. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok. Just so I am clear. Formats contained in articles like Halcyon Days (Ellie Goulding album)#Track listing and Man of the Woods#Track listing are NOT correct, but your unique version is. Got it. I did not realize you were a Wiki legend with his own self-serving Wiki autobiography. Cheers Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 00:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Wk3v78k23tnsa, How is that what you got from me saying, "There are multiple ways to do the same thing"? I never wrote that one style is right and one is wrong: what I wrote was that since there are multiple styles, the existing style for that page should be retained. What is with your grossly negative and rude attitude? I could just as easily say, "Your unique version is right. Got it." but I don't write things like that because I'm trying to treat you like an adult with respect. Shame on you for this post. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Per MOS:VAR and WP:ALBUMSTYLEGUIDE, please stop changing the type of track listing you find in articles. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi. There is a clear template that is to be used. Template:Track listing. It is reiterated in the very source you cited - [[2]]. I am uncertain why you are choosing to ignore this as you have made no clear argument nor are any templates cited in your change lot. It clearly says there are several ways to do this, v. one over the other. This is clearly a personal preference of yourse that requires further discussion.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 18:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Wk3v78k23tnsa, It is not "to be used" it can be used. Don't go to articles that already have an established style and change them. I've explained this to you several times and pointed you to guidelines that say the same. Why do you insist on changing stylistic things to how you like them? Have you looked at MOS:VAR and WP:ALBUMSTYLE? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Wk3v78k23tnsa, Why do you keep on reverting to add this template when you know you're not supposed to? See WP:BRD: you need to post to talk to explain why an existing style should be changed. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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The Guaraldi articles were all over the map, which is why I chose the new format that allowed occasional notes (something I know is to be used sparingly per Template:Track listing. Your reverts are deleting track lengths, a big no-no. Some albums are a terrible mishmash with error made by lazy record companies lacking quality control; this requires extra formatting to make sense of them. The Template:Track listing makes extra contingencies for these gaffes by record companies. I admit I made a error originally using <small>. My apologies, as I recall seeing that in an article years back. I have ceased using <small>. For know, can we please use Template:Track listing for the Guaraldi entries? It helps in dividing up unique takes. I am always up for compromise. Your thoughts. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 18:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

No, we cannot. Please revert yourself per MOS:VAR. You have shown no comprehension of this page. Have you read it? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯. I am following all the work that Wk3v78k23tnsa has done for the Guaraldi entries. That being said, I have reviewed the MOS:VAR and WP:ALBUMSTYLE, the latter which gives quite a few track listing options. For someone like Vince Guaraldi, whose recorded output is a mess, I think Wk3v78k23tnsa is correct to use the formatting option that is specified in more detail Template:Track listing (which I see is a link from WP:ALBUMSTYLE). Wk3v78k23tnsa is also correct to have the "Notes" option available. That being said, I advise Wk3v78k23tnsa to not get into an edit war. As I have posted elsewhere, this is why I never wanted to create a username for Wiki in the first place, since it fosters a generally hostile environment and dominated by a few select editors (no offense meant to Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯, but it is true). Either way, thank you both for maintaining these Vince Guaraldi entries. His representation on Wiki was sorely missing and you are both doing a great job! OldandGood2876 (talk) 13:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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