Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ansh666

Ansh666

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Nomination

Ansh666 (talk · contribs) – It's my pleasure to be nominating Ansh666 for access to the administrator toolkit. Since creating his account (almost exactly) 10 years ago, Ansh has become a valued member of the community, with over 12,000 total edits and experience in all the places that make me confident he would make a fine administrator.

In his November 2015 ORCP discussion Ansh received quite positive feedback, with the only substantial negative feedback being the lack of content creation. I'm happy to say that since then he has been able to write a few articles (1, 2, 3), showing that he knows what goes into creating content on Wikipedia. Ansh's best work, though, comes from other areas. His AfD log is one of the longest I've seen, with nearly 1600 AfDs contributed to (a combination of sorting and voting) - a glance through his contributions there shows a good knowledge of deletion policy, with well reasoned arguments which usually match with the final outcome (note that the AfD log only shows 200 at a time, and Ansh occasionally files or fixes AfDs on behalf of other users). Ansh's CSD log is also quite extensive, and a spot check didn't flag any substantial incorrect tagging.

Most importantly, in my opinion, Ansh666 is both friendly and humble. His talk page interactions show that he is happy explaining Wikipedia's rules to new editors, willing to assist them in learning to edit, and willing to admit when he has got something wrong. Overall, I see a productive and friendly editor with a solid knowledge of Wikipedia's rules and community, and hope you agree that he can be trusted with the admin toolkit. Sam Walton (talk) 09:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept, of course. Thanks for the nomination! ansh666 09:38, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: If I'm granted the bit, I don't see myself changing my editing patterns too much. Where being an admin would assist my normal editing is closing AfDs and doing AfD cleanup (e.g. scripts on AfDs whose pages which have been moved deleting the resulting redirect instead of the article, or AfD tags placed by new editors on their own created pages - my CSD log is full of these two); cleaning up BLP vios on current events articles and talk pages using revdel and page protection; and simple main page edit/error reports. I sometimes wander over to RfD as well, and I could help out there too in a pinch. I'd also like to help with the more uncontroversial types of speedy deletion (I'd define that as G4-8 and 12, R2, and U1-2), edit requests, and general revdel and RfPP, though I'd have to ease into the latter two since I don't generally have as much experience in those areas. What I'm not interested in doing: AIV, UAA, SPI, sorting out AN/ANI discussions, or really any other situation that could possibly have to do with user conduct and/or the block button, unless it's an obvious emergency situation and I'm somehow the only one around to deal with it - though I'm still likely to participate in those in a non-administrator capacity every so often. This may change in the future if I get more comfortable with the toolset, but for now I don't think I'll be involved in that aspect. And one last thing, since I note the monkey selfie is back in the news: I'm not touching file copyright stuff. Not if I was offered a million bucks, not on pain of death. Just not interested in that at all.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: Usually, candidates point out their content work here, listing out all the DYKs and GAs and FAs and whatnot...but I obviously don't have any of those. That's not to say I'm not proud of the three short start-class articles I've written, that one disambiguation page I created, all those random redirects I made, or all the typos I've fixed, but I can't in good conscience say those are my best contributions to Wikipedia. Instead, I'd say that my best contributions come in the talk and project spaces. Keeping potential BLP violations out of terrorist attack articles and even their talk pages (there have been too many, unfortunately, that I can't find what I was looking to link here), making April Fools' Day less of a headache for everyone, that sort of thing. As far as another other thing I do which may qualify as my "best" contributions, based on sheer quantity: I take no pleasure in AfD; many of the articles I nominate or discussions that I participate in or close are on topics that interest me personally (obscure firearms, video games, current events, etc.) and I'm usually sad to see them go when they do, but I do believe that Wikipedia is better off if we can maintain a general standard of quality, and big part of that is AfD (with a smaller part being BLP, which I mentioned above). Contributing to this maintenance is something that I feel is also an important part of my participation on Wikipedia, even if perhaps it's not the most important.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: To be honest, I think that anyone who hasn't been in any conflicts or stressful situations isn't ready to be an admin, since that's so much of what they tend to deal with. I do try at times to keep a lower profile and avoid conflict when possible (hence wanting to avoid user conduct stuff as I said in Q1), and that's my preferred method of conflict resolution, not getting into one in the first place. I'll even go as far sometimes as to type out a full comment or response with no intention of saving it, just for a bit of catharsis, and then walking away and doing something else for a while. Of course, this isn't always possible, so other ways I tend to respond to stress and conflict include somewhat long-winded, rambling, but usually detailed explanations of my actions (examples 1 2), apologizing, and sometimes a bit of both (see the hatted part). I'm also usually the first to admit that I'm wrong if someone asks me about something I did wrong, and even if nobody does (like all those struck entries on my CSD log).

And of course, I'd be willing to expound on all of these incidents I've cited or anything else that you may find (except perhaps older ones which I don't remember as clearly) if someone wishes to ask me about them.

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You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.

Additional question from Mahveotm

4. You happen to have reverted a vandals edit, leaving a self written summary alongside. The vandal undo's you edit as 'The idiot replied'. What will be your next action as an admin, especially if the edit is from an IP address with similar contributions but has not received any talk page warning.

A: Assuming it's clear vandalism (e.g. replacing a page with random profanity), revert again and leave a warning, which any editor could do, not just an admin. If it isn't as clear (e.g. changing attendance numbers on a Super Bowl to one unsupported by any sources) I'd probably seek a more regular editor of the page/field for advice and leave it alone.

Additional question from Ritchie333

5. The first thing I looked at was your userpage, which says "CAN'T RETIRE - This user tries to leave Wikipedia, but finds that they can't do so..." Adminship can come with quite a bit of grief and hassle, so in addition to what you said for Q3, can you explain why you have tried to leave Wikipedia several times, and what has made you stay?

A: The banner is a relic from my days in college; I tried multiple times to leave because my school load was getting heavy so it wouldn't distract me, only to return when it cleared up a bit. I forgot I still had it on my userpage; I'd removed it from my talk page a while ago. I've now graduated, so that shouldn't be an issue anymore. I do like how it looks though...maybe I should find a replacement which is more accurate.

Additional question from Oshwah

6. What are some specific things that you feel that administrators in general fall short of doing well, or need to improve or be better at doing in order to serve the community and keep their trust and respect? How will you edit, interact, or do differently to set a proper example as a leader and be a positive influence to show that we need to be better at doing these things?

A: I'm somewhat amused by the contradiction inherent in the first sentence, some specific things ... that admininstrators in general fall short of doing well. My philosophy is that everyone is different, they have their own strengths and shortfalls, and so while they may all share a common title on some random website on the internet (this one, if anyone's wondering), there is no panacea for getting everyone to behave perfectly. This may sound like a bit of a dodge, but I'm serious - turn off the admin highlighting script I use, and I'd have zero idea who is an admin and who isn't (other than the lucky - or perhaps unlucky - few that I recognize). So this may not be the type of answer you're looking for, but it's what I came up with.

I do realize that adminship is, at least in the public eye, a position of authority with which there have been and continue to be issues of trust and accountability. Speaking as broadly as I can, I think humanity, humility, and a willingness to admit mistakes is very important in maintaining trust. That's not to say that all, many, or even any admins don't have these qualities, but they can be difficult to maintain, especially in stressful situations. It's also important for everyone to remember that nobody's perfect, and we'll always manage to screw up somehow no matter how careful we are. For people in a higher position, it comes with higher scrutiny and greater backlash when they do ultimately make a mistake. Understanding that this is going to happen, why it's going to happen, and how to deal with it can ultimately make or break someone's "career" not only as an admin, but as an editor here. This answer also ties in to a very specific wording I used in my Q1: This may change in the future if I get more comfortable with the toolset. Note how I said if, not when. In my non-admin opinion, admins should never get comfortable with the toolset; there are some very scary buttons in there that can ruin someone's day, or worse. That, and the fact that the vast majority of people here don't have those buttons, is in my opinion a very important thing to keep in mind.

Additional question from SoWhy

7. Administrators are expected to be good at communicating their actions to avoid misunderstandings and bad blood. Usage of edit summaries is imho crucial to achieve this. You have not been using them consistently, especially on minor edits or removal of content. Why is that and do you plan to change this?

A: I rarely use the minor edit button; I reserve it for mostly fixing typos or adding a word or something extremely small like that, things that I really did't believe need an edit summary. As far as removal of content, could you give some examples? I scanned through my last 500 mainspace contribs and could only see one example, which I will admit probably should have had an edit summary.

Additional question from Linguist111

8. You come across an AfD for an individual season of America's Next Top Model which has racked up the following votes:

• Nominator's statement: Article for an individual television show season which is not notable. Lorem, 00:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete: non-notable. Ipsum, 00:00, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete: poorly written, unsourced, overall unencyclopedic. Dolor, 00:00, 20 August 2017
• Delete. Can this be speedily deleted? Sit, 00:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. Why delete this? It's just as important as the other seasons, which also have articles. Amet, 00:00, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
• (Relisting statement by Consectetur at 00:00, 25 August 2017 (UTC): Too few voters, no policy-based arguments.)
• Delete: terrible. Adipiscing, 00:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete: we don't need an article about this subject per WP:IINFO. Elit, 00:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete: too much jargon, can't understand it. Sed, 00:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete: so much edit warring going on on this page and no-one wants to protect it. Let's just put it out of its misery. Do, 00:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
• (Relisting statement by Eiusmod at 00:00, 1 September 2017 (UTC): Again, no sufficient argument put forward (cf. WP:ATA).)
• Keep as notable enough. Tempor, 00:00, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
• (Relisted by Incididunt at 00:00, 8 September 2017)
• Procedural keep as none of the voters have put forward a valid argument (cf. WP:JNN, WP:RUBBISH, WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC, WP:USELESS, WP:LIKELYVIOLATION etc.) Ut, 00:00, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

How would you close this AfD and why?

A: I perhaps naively find it unrealistic that so many comments would be made without a valid argument, especially in an area in which I know multiple experienced editors will show up to the AfD. It's also difficult to judge an AfD without also looking at the article to see if the comments actually make sense or not. So I can't say how I'd close it or if I'd even attempt to close it.

Sam has asked me to elaborate on my answer to this question, so I'll try. I'm a firm believer in WP:VOLUNTEER - nobody has to do anything. If I by some chance came across an AfD like this, I feel like it would honestly be a better idea to add an actual valid vote in to make things easier for the next poor fool to come along than to close it. If I were somehow forced to close it, my best guess would be a no consensus close, citing the lack of strong arguments (I somewhat disagree that they're all completely invalid as stated by "Ut"; WP:OSE as implied by "Amet" is actually a good reason to keep in this case if the sources support having it, and WP:TNT as implied by others is also not a completely invalid reason to delete, though I know it's somewhat controversial), but as I said I probably would not attempt to close it.

Additional question from Usernamekiran

9. This is not exactly a standard question. In your first answer, you answered in which areas you would, and wouldnt work the most. But you haven't mentioned new page reviewing/patrolling. Would you be contributing to that area? If yes, what will be your approach/MO in the area of new page patrolling? (either as a sys-op or in non-admin capacity)

A: I have occasionally done NPP in the past, but I find it boring and unfulfilling, and have no desire to participate in it any more.

Additional question from AlexEng

10. Could you comment on your understanding of WP:REVDEL and how/if you anticipate using this tool? Please describe a specific example of material you would deem appropriate to remove under each of criteria 2 and 3 of WP:CFRD.

A:

Discussion

• Links for Ansh666: Ansh666 (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Edit summary usage for Ansh666 can be found here.

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Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.

Support

1. Support as nominator. Sam Walton (talk) 09:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
2. Support Kinda okay ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
3. Support Ansh666 meets the expectations we should have for our administrators, and then goes that little bit further - their work with content (creation, improvement and yes, deletion) shows a significant understanding of our policies. Their answer to question 1 highlights the enthusiasm Ansh666 has for serving the community, and I look forward to working with them -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 10:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
4. Support - Perfect CSD log and seems to be good at AfD work. Also, they respond to talk page messages when needed and admit when they messed up. Overall, a great and uncontroversial candidate. RileyBugz^会話_投稿記録 10:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
5. Support. No time to review in depth during the next week, but I thoroughly evaluated Ansh for a potential RfA before and found nothing that particularly concerned me at the time. There's an off-hand chance he did something crazy in the past few months, but I doubt it; he struck me as a level-headed and uncontroversial candidate (once the content creation was in place). No concerns based on the previous research I did. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 11:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
6. Support - Experienced editor.  FITINDIA  11:46, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
7. Support: Trusted user, otherwise no issues overall. KGirl ^{(Wanna chat?)} 12:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
8. Support Go for it! 81.106.34.193 (talk) 13:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC) (User:My name is not dave on wikibreak -- I'll come back if I see any RfAs or whatever).
9. Support Net positive for the project. David in DC (talk) 13:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
10. Support I was going to sit this one out, because while I've run into ansh666 a few times, I never came away with a strong opinion one way or another on him. Collect's neutral is fine, but let me be the first to call out the opposes as being petty. Adminship isn't a trophy, and that's what the current opposes make it seem like. ansh is a fine editor who I highly doubt will misuse the tools. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
11. Support I expect he will be a net positive with the tools, and I am not particularly interested in his article creation involvement (or lack thereof). Lepricavark (talk) 14:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
12. Support Has a good track record with CSD and AFD and has created a few articles. --Frmorrison (talk) 15:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
13. Support Ansh666 has probably been more active in AFD than many current members of the mop core. Since the candidate hasn't had any issues, I have no problem supporting. Dolotta (talk) 15:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
14. Support - candidate shows WP:CLUE, has consistently demonstrated WP:CIVIL, and has 5 years of consistent WP:HERE editing (I'm starting at 2013 when he upped his engagement here). He has clearly stated in #1 what he wants to work on, and what he does not, and has demonstrated expertise in his areas of mopping interest. As it stands, there's no indication that giving Ansh666 the extra tools will harm the project, but there is strong indication that he will improve the project with access to them. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
15. Support per 78.26 candidate appears to have a WP:CLUE, and after a quick glance through their edit history I see nothing that raises a glaring red flag. --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 16:05, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
16. Support clear WP:NETPOSITIVE.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
17. Support I've been on the fence, but ultimately it comes down to this - do I trust Ansh666 with the toolset? Yes. Do I think he will go bezerk, delete the Main Page and indef Jimbo Wales? No. Will he accidentally full-protect Donald Trump in a vandalised state? Unlikely. So let's give him a go. The opposes are unconvincing and seem to come from people who don't have much admin / RfA experience themselves. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
18. Support. The candidate should do fine. 12,000+ edits is, if I recall correctly, more than I had when I passed RfA, which admittedly was in 2011, but still when the RfA climate was mostly similar to now, which makes the opposes based on this wholly unconvincing to me. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 16:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
19. Support - No concerns, and it couldn't possibly hurt to have another maintenance-oriented admin around. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:03, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
20. Support per BU Rob13. I also remember seeing the candidate around RfD a few times, and I'd love to see another admin help out there. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
21. Support - might not check all my boxes, but I can't find any reasons not to support. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
22. Support why not? Jianhui67 ^T★C 18:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
23. Support Excellent interactions on his talk page, a sound deletion/maintenance mindset and just enough content experience to realise the effort it takes to make an referenced encyclopaedia. I also really liked his answers to the opening questions, they sound like someone who has their head screwed on straight and realises that this is only a website and we are all volunteers. AIRcorn (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
24. Support as per Rob & Ritchie - The Opposes are laughable and should be ignored entirely - Experienced editor who participates in the admin areas and quite honestly keeps this place running smoothly with their maintenance work. –Davey2010^Talk 18:46, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
25. Support I liked the candidate simply because he had a clear idea of what he wanted and didn't want to do as an admin, and because he explained how his admin contributions would jive with his current contribution pattern. However, I also see some votes that oppose him for this very reason (knowing what he doesn't want to do) and WP:RFA needs a lot less of that stuff (WP:NONEED covers why, in more detail.) Airbornemihir (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
26. Per Zawl (who is in the oppose section; no idea why they cite two things that are good about the candidate (high edit count and experience with deletion nominations) as oppose reasons). —Kusma (t·c) 19:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
27. Support I see no concerns regarding this candidate. And so far I'm not impressed by the quality of the opposing editors' rationales. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 19:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
28. Support. An editor already contributing to lots of unglamorous work wants to pick up even more unglamorous admin tasks -- sounds good to me. Answers to questions are all reasonable, no red flags spotted in edit history, and nothing in the opposes is even remotely convincing. --RL0919 (talk) 19:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
29. Support I was initially underwhelmed with the answer to Q3 about the premise of having to avoid “conflict when possible” as “preferred method of conflict resolution”. For an editor that spent considerable time (10.24% of total Wikipedia space edits) at WP:AN and WP:AN/I, the statement struck me as being incredulous. But after seeing the details in the examples given in the answer and having searched for other recent examples, I cannot seem to find anything but positivity. Many of the comments may be brief, but they are firm when necessary, gets to the point, are long and streamlined with the situation calls for, generally helping to advance the discussion. Alex Shih^Talk 19:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
30. Support - Obviously I'm open to changing my !vote if someone finds something seriously objectionable, but the opposes right now are just weak sauce. I don't take very seriously someone opposing on FA/GA grounds when they've got eight edits to FAC in their entire career, and they've never so much as breathed a word at GAN (which seems a bit out of order anyway). I don't take very seriously someone complaining that 12k edits isn't enough (seriously?), because their 30k, half of which is automated, feels big in comparison. And if these edits are indicative of their pattern of contributing, it matters even less, since on a lazy day, I could probably take a half dozen to do the same thing. I also don't take much seriously opposes based apparently on the fact that people don't see AfD as a legitimate administrative task. I'm willing to bet there's one or two admins trawling around there right now, who would probably rather be doing something else, if there was someone else willing to pick up the slack. RfA is not a place to ask what makes them so dang special, and it's not the place to criticize someone for not wanting to work in some particular area that you'd prefer them to for no apparent reason other than personal disposition; it's a place to see if someone can take the buttons and push them in a way that is beneficial. I don't see anything yet that calls that into any serious question, at least not yet. TJW^talk 19:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
31. Support Everything looks pretty good here. Not a huge content creator, but the three short articles this user has created are fairly polished, so I think they understand the process, which is the important thing for an admin. Their AfD stats look pretty good, and that is the stated reason for needing the tools. Though I am disheartened by comments saying that NPP is 'boring' and 'unfulfilling', I won't let this personal niggle bias my !vote. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 19:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
32. Support - Per recent conversations on WT:RFA, I'll forgo my usual blanket support and give a detailed explanation. I've examined the candidate's contributions for the last two months, and found that they have a good understanding of notability, a good understanding of policies surrounding blocking, and that they maintain civility during discussions. The candidate is active in admin-related areas, and they demonstrate an understanding of the policies surrounding the use of sysop tools in those areas. Given the general impression of competence that I get from examining the candidate's contributions, I also get the sense that they'll be able to adapt to using the tools properly in other situations. My one point of concern is that the candidate seems overly focused on the drama boards, but looking at their edits on ANI shows primarily outcome-focused comments that try to resolve situations, and no instances of inflaming a situation or trying to punish users for the sake of punishment. Overall, a good candidate. Thanks for volunteering. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 19:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
33. Support I have decided that based on the (disgusting) irrelevance of content creation to whether this user should be admin, and because I can't think of a convincing reason to suspect this user of doing anything but close clear cut AfD's, and because (for some incomprehensible reason) granting page deletion rights requires giving full admin rights, I am supporting the nomination (and stuck my previous oppose. Α Guy into Books™ § (Message) -  20:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
34. Support. Good level-headed contributors make good admins. A history of content creation, or lack thereof, has little bearing on that so I don't share the opposers' concerns in this regard. Deli nk (talk) 20:13, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
35. Support Content creation is fine; they've shown they can write a decent article and add references to it and that's good enough for me. Not convinced by the "no need for the tools" arguments as they have a clear desire to work in AFD where there are restrictions on closes a non-admin can make. I admire their honesty in stating clearly which areas they have no interest to work in– we are all volunteers after all. Clear NETPOSITIVE. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
36. Support, I have seen the candidate around, and I do not see any issues.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
37. Support'. In my experience, Ansh666 has sound judgment and a good understanding of policy. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
38. Support - qualified and a definite net positive. I have no qualms about Ansh666; the opposes are highly unconvincing. 12,000 edits is now not enough? Come on! 65HCA7 21:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
39. Support because screw the people who say 12,000 edits isn't enough. Adminship shouldn't be about article creation or edit counts anyway. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 21:47, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
40. Support as a definite net positive. Opposes are unconvincing. Miniapolis 22:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
41. Support - trustworthy editor. PhilKnight (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
42. Support - normally not thrilled about lack of content editing, however given the length of time without anything else detrimental suggests that a net positive is likely. Hence worth a shot. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:51, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
43. Support A few months ago, I was experimenting with my watchlist page after finishing this, when I found a notice that someone had requested me to vote in one of these elections. I did some research and voted, and expected not to receive another notice. But it happened several more times, and it has happened to me again just now. I have two things to say. (1) I support the candidate because his work will probably not interfere with my own, because even if it does I do not believe it will be in a negative way, and because the same probably goes for others. I rather admire people who want to serve others the way he does. (2) Who is sending me these requests for participation at the top of my watchlist, and how can I make them stop coming? My vote here stands, but this is a side of the project I am not ready for, and after witnessing how bad failure here can hurt people, I do not feel I ever will be. Inatan (talk) 23:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Minuscule content contribution, very small edit count despite being here since 2007, no Featured or even Good articles on record, very little experience with image and copyright, can't tell the difference between dispute and trolling, little experience in social interactions. Seriously, I feel I am more eligible than him. And if, as he said in the answer to the first question, he is only interested in doing what he is doing right now, he can do it without the mop. The only thing that surprises me is the support of figures such as Rob₁₃ and Sam Walton. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 13:40, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   @FleetCommand: I've tried to move away from responding to opposes recently, but since my name was invoked, I'd like to respond to your points. Adminship is somewhat of a big deal, no matter what people say, but we don't require perfection. You cite me as a noteworthy "figure", but even I wouldn't meet the standards you've listed; I haven't been here anywhere near since 2007, nor do I have any featured articles. The mop has nothing to do with content creation, although it requires an understanding of content creation. I feel his multiple solid articles that comply with all core content policies show that he understands content creation. Note that GA is a backlogged community process to improve an article a bit more than its current state. We shouldn't require that rubber stamp to look at an article and say, "Hey, you've done a good job!". The number of total editors on the project with genuine expertise in copyright is surely less than 100 (perhaps less than a dozen, depending on how you judge expertise), and the vast majority of admins will never handle copyright-related issues beyond blatant violations. He's cited closing AfDs, so the argument that he can do that without the mop is not correct; he needs the mop to close AfDs as delete. I would frankly be worried if an admin candidate came to RfA with the "checklist" set of experiences and then said they wanted to start suddenly doing something else. The fact that the candidate is seeking the mop because he needs it to better do things he's already doing rather than to break into new areas he knows nothing about makes me confident he'll use it well and cautiously. You'll have to fill me in on why you think he has little experience with social interactions, because I did not get that sense when reviewing him a couple months ago. (As a side note, if you feel you're more qualified, see WP:ORCP. We desperately need more qualified candidates.) ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 13:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   There are countless editors more qualified and accomplished than I who have not sought adminship. You could say the same in just about every RFA. GAB^gab 15:50, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   How many FAs and GAs have you got, FleetCommand? I can see you picking a fight with Malleus Eric Corbett on Microsoft Security Essentials' FAC, but not a lot else. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

2. Oppose - The candidate seems alright in deletion areas but I'm concerned with the low edit count and over 1,000 deleted edits out of 12,000+. There's also the lack of content creation. I'd expect an adminship candidate to do more of that. Their editing seems to be as good as an average Wikipedian but what makes them so qualified to be admin? The decade-old account? I don't think this candidate is ready for adminship. — Zawl 13:55, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Because they've done nothing to suggest they would make a boneheaded mistake or abuse the tools. Your rationale actually was what pushed me from neutral to supporting. Its the perfect explanation of the type of user we should trust to be an admin if we want to get away from this trophy mentality. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I welcome another administrator backing up my assessment, but I just wanted to clarify the 1,000 deleted edits. From a scan through Ansh666's deleted contribs, the deleted edits appear to consist almost entirely of CSD and AFD tagging on articles which were subsequently deleted. Sam Walton (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I can confirm that Ansh666's now-deleted contributions to such articles as When persons convicted of murder can be sentenced to probation in the United States (with one notable exception), Killing of a police dog laws in the United States and Legal Facts About All 50 States, the military, the federal government, and the District of Columbia are all Afd nomination tags. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   You realize that according to Special:Contribs/Ks0stm I didn't hit 12,000 live edits until 2014, three years after I became an admin? Personally, I can't attach any credibility to your oppose given that. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 17:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Sorry to pile on here @Zawl: edit count doesn't necessarily correlate with being a good admin. If you have the time, I recommend that you go through the candidate's contributions and look for things like a) good judgement when interpreting policies, b) activity in admin-related areas, c) examples of using non-sysop tools according to policy or doing non-admin closures. Edit count can be an OK proxy for experience, but the best way to determine a candidate's suitability for adminship is going through their contributions to see how they behave. Adminship may seem like a big deal given how exclusively it's handed out these days, but it's just another set of buttons to click. If a candidate can be trusted to not mess up big time pressing those buttons, then they'll probably make a fine admin. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 20:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Oppose - This candidate has never worked in a controversial area of Wikipedia, I see no actual evidence that they have ever encountered a conflict, so comments on their record of never having had a dispute is irrelevant in my humble opinion. For example I have only had a few 'issues' when editing and all were related to areas this user has not engaged in, I can close or relist an infinite amount of AfD's and the worst I will get is someone asking me to undo and relist. Yet when creating articles, I have had major disagreements over the precise definition of WP:N and trawled records in miniscule detail to argue about whether an article I created is worthy of inclusion. This candidate has never had that, which in my opinion impacts their overall experience. Α Guy into Books™ § (Message)

   Not all editors are drama-seekers, Some like to keep their head down, avoid the shit slinging and focus their energy on contributing and helping with the site. –Davey2010^Talk 18:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

3. Oppose This is my first oppose vote in an RfA. I was leaning towards "neutral" first, but the candidate basically doesnt need the toolbox.

   • In most of the RfAs opposing votes say "not much activity in admin area". Here, in first question the candidate has excluded almost all the areas where admins are required. He also stated that he is likely to participate in those in a non-administrator capacity every so often, and block the users only if it is an obvious emergency.
   • The candidate in answer to Q10 stated that he wouldn't be much active in NPP. He hasn't mentioned WP:COIN. Based on his lack of will to participate in projects like WP:ANI, I think it would be safe to assume he doesnt want to contribute there either.
   • Based on answer of Q9, it seems like the editor would be closing debates only when there is a clear-cut consensus.

   So the question arises, what would he actually do as an admin? Only close AfDs, protect pages, and process "more uncontroversial types of speedy deletion"? On the basis of his lack for will to participate in admin area, and to do the "easy-peasy" activity I have to say no.
   His areas of most interest, and most activity seems to be AfDs. He can continue this without being an admin, and he has stated that thats what he is going to do after becoming an admin. So I see no need for the admin flag/toolbox. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   But do you see a likelihood he will abuse it? Often when I'm head's down in 2-3 book sources doing serious work on an article, I've got no need for the tools. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I'll address the NPP point: yes, they don't want to deal with it, and its totally understandable. I have the exact same feelings towards NPP's sister project WP:WPAFC. I force myself to help AfC out every now and again because I think its important to know how it feels on the other side of a two-sided coin, but I really don't like working there for any number of reasons. There are plenty of editors who don't do NPP, and it shouldn't be a pre-req for adminship. Ansh see's plenty of what NPP sends his way at AfD anyway. He helps with reviewing and curating content as well, just at a later stage in the process. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I do not have any concern about tools being misused. And he is definitely a good and calm editor. Thats why I was going to go with neutral first. But then there is the fact that he is not willing to use the tools much outside AfD, where he still works finely. I also do not have any issue about his activity in NPP, or content creation. But I dont see much of a difference here, with or without the tools. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   But a positive difference is better than no difference, right (that is assuming that it is a small difference, which I would disagree with)? So, we should give him the tools. RileyBugz^会話_投稿記録 19:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Usernamekiran, can I appeal for you to reconsider? As I'm reading Ansh666's response to Q1, I'm gathering that he wants to stick to administrative areas with which he is familiar, rather than jumping straight into some of the more complex or stressful areas. I think this is wise. I am much more comfortable giving the toolset to someone with this mindset than to someone who feels they are ready to jump straight into the most difficult parts of the job. I'm sure that, as Ansh666 gains more experience with the toolset, his comfort zone will slowly expand, and he'll start working in more administrative areas. (And don't tell anyone, but most of the administrative backlog does actually consist of that "easy-peasy" work – it's just that there's so much of it that it starts to pile up; having more administrators at hand to do the work is a net positive for the encyclopedia.) Mz7 (talk) 21:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

4. The Banner talk 21:50, 15 September 2017 (UTC) Sorry, just not convincing. The Banner talk 21:50, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   TJW^talk 21:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC) Why? TJW^talk 21:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   –Davey2010^Talk 21:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC) Could you explain why they're not convincing perhaps ?.... –Davey2010^Talk 21:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I could do that, but I will not do that. As far as I know it is not mandatory. And why should no-voters explain their votes, when yes-voters are not asked for an explanation? The Banner talk 22:36, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   From WP:RFA: "Historically, there has not been the same obligation on supporters to explain their reasons for supporting (assumed to be "per nom" or a confirmation that the candidate is regarded as fully qualified) as there has been on opposers."Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Yep, that's true. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 22:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Hasn't this question been asked and answered at these discussions plenty of times already? By now it should be clear why opposers are asked to explain themselves. Lepricavark (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Because the candidate and nominator have already explained why the candidate should be an admin. The supporters need only agree with the arguments that have already been presented. If you are saying that the nominator and candidate are wrong in their arguments, then it's generally both nice and also helpful to explain why. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 22:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral barely. Person has almost zero actual BLP editing experience, though nominating many for deletion. AfD vote ratio, excluding the huge preponderance of nominations, is within reason, but many of the noms were poorly chosen in my opinion, which I am not using as a rationale here. Basically, I find too much concern about deleting articles, too little in editing or discussing articles, and, all in all, not sufficiently balanced in experience for me to support. Person created 3 game pages, 2 disambiguation pages, and a single redirect. This is not an "active editor" by deed. Sorry - but close to an "oppose", alas. Collect (talk) 13:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I was originally not going to respond to any (!)votes, but...I've actually created over 100 redirects, not just one (though I can't attest to their quality, especially the oldest ones), and most of my AfD nominations apart from obscure firearms nowadays are procedural completions for IPs and new users who are either techically unable or not familiar enough to do it themselves, as long as they're requested in good faith. Unfortunately this leaves me as the "nominator" in the AfD vote counter thing. ansh666 17:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   I was using the "articles created" tool result - which lists 6 articles, of which the results were as I stated. And if an IP asked me to list any article for deletion, and I saw it as not a reasonable deletion, I would not automatically place it up for deletion. Collect (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

   Yeah, that link has redirects disabled, it only shows those that have been converted to a non-redirect. In regards to the AfDs, that's a perfectly legitimate view and honestly most people do it that way, but I prefer to get more eyes on it rather than unilaterally act as a gatekeeper. ansh666 21:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

2. Neutral Per http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?l=all&t=Ansh666 https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/editsummary/index.php?lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&name=Ansh666 and https://tools.wmflabs.org/supercount/index.php?project=en.wikipedia&user=Ansh666 I just think he needs more experience. Also no experience with rights such as reviewer and rollback. Bobherry Userspace Talk to me! Stuff I have done 14:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

General comments

• What are the articles worked on?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @Wehwalt: I've added links in the nomination. Sam Walton (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Ah sorry, yeah, I should have linked those in my Q2 where I mentioned them. ansh666 16:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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• This editor only seems to have created 6 pages that are not redirects [1], I will see what other people say before !voteing, but this seems like a very limited knowledge of page creation. Α Guy into Books™ § (Message) -  12:40, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
• On further investigation, although Xtools says 6 pages, F107 & Starfinder are disambiguation pages, leaving only Fantasy Grounds, Roll20, Starfinder Roleplaying Game.

As time goes on, the importance of creating pages has got smaller and smaller as focus has turned to maintaining articles we already have. Indeed, we have just announced WP:ACTRIAL - the first major drive to prevent articles being created in over a decade. I don't think I've ever created an article that I'd consider vitally important. Even things like Tower blocks in Great Britain and Terraced houses in the United Kingdom are simply content forks of larger articles, and while I think Things May Come and Things May Go but the Art School Dance Goes on Forever deserves an article simply by being plugged on numerously more notable LPs' inner sleeves, we survived 14 years without it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Ritchie, partially though. With time, importance of creating articles has got smaller. The two key points here are understanding/following of the policies, and ab/use of toolbox. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

There are literally hundreds of perfectly reasonable new article ideas at Wikipedia:Requested articles, I maintain a personal 'to-do' list of articles to create, there are still many article that need creating (250k+ by my estimate). If this was to grant a 'page deletion' or 'close AfD as delete' user right, I would support it, but Adminship is such an all round big deal that I am unsure about it when the candidate has such a lacklustre record in an important area of work. An admin has rights to work in all areas of wikipedia at the highest level, and this candidate has only limited experience in areas other than article improvements and deletion. Α Guy into Books™ § (Message) -  14:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Just because you think it's important, doesn't follow everyone has to share your opinion. I worry about the 2,264 unreferenced BLPs or the 1,761 BLPs that still have citations to the Daily Mail. In any case, I don't understand what creating articles has to do with being an administrator, sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes that's fair enough, I must admit that I am measuring the candidate against my own experiences. But can you fill me in on the Daily Mail thing, is it an unreliable source or something? Α Guy into Books™ § (Message) -  15:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Start at https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website and follow the links. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, we dont need an admin to add references to BLPs or remove dailymail from refs. —usernamekiran(talk) 15:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Creating an article and making the first edit on an article are not the same thing. There's nothing wrong with making 1,000 notable but otherwise mostly worthless stubs, but that don't show jack about knowing how to create an article. Since that's where this line of thought seems to be going, if you want to show someone doesn't know how to actually create an article, you're gonna need a heckuva lot more than a number. TJW^talk 16:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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• How have we reached the stage where 12000 edits can be considered a "very low edit count"? That's just ridiculous. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  +1. I passed RfA with less than that. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 16:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  I think 70% manual edits probably slowed it down, which might be why the opposes don't realize Ansh has done a lot of work. For what its worth I for one consider 0 AWB edits to be a major plus. I'd never vote against someone for using AWB, but since we're being silly and discussing whether 12K edits for a contributor that has never expressed any interest in doing vandal patrolling or your standard AWB fixes, I thought I would point it out as a positive. Oh and look, they have no Huggle or Stiki either. That probably explains why they don't have massive edit counts. Things to ponder. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  +1 also. I passed RFA with less than half that, back in the days when we edited with quill pens on parchment. If I and others with similarly "low" edit counts had been on a rampage since, deleting FAs and blocking anyone who didn't address me as "His Lord Adminship", while admins coming in with 50K+ edits (or whatever the insane new standard supposedly is) were all perfect, then we'd have good evidence that exceptionally high edit counts correlate to better admins. But I don't think that's the case. --RL0919 (talk) 19:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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• I've removed Need for the tools from my personal RfA criteria, but I'm still curious. The user has said that they expect little change in their editing behavior after getting the mop. Could someone familiar with Ansh666 comment on why granting the bit is a WP:NETPOSITIVE for the project? AlexEng^(TALK) 19:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  I assume that they would perform many of the deletions that they currently ask for themselves. Also, "cleaning up BLPs using revdel" is something that requires admin tools. —Kusma (t·c) 19:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  Essentially, the toolset is a natural extension of the kind of work that Ansh666 has already been doing: being-the-scenes maintenance. I think what Ansh666 means by little change is that he doen't expect to use the tools in completely unfamiliar areas of Wikipedia, or at least not right away. Instead he'll approach the same kind of maintenance work he's already been doing, but instead of having to hassle administrators for a task, he'll be able to do it himself – that's a net positive in my book. Mz7 (talk) 21:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  @Mz7: Thanks for the response. That makes sense. Just for my own curiosity, do you happen to have a bearing on how backlogged AfD is in terms of needed administrator attention? Is there a shortage? AlexEng^(TALK) 21:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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• I'm not going to vote because I'm unfamiliar with the candidate, don't sufficient time to investigate their edits, and voting based solely on statistics, answers to questions, and other people's votes is actively harmful at RFA, but... G4 and G5 are included in "the more uncontroversial types of speedy deletion"? Seriously? —Cryptic 21:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  Meh. At least compared to like A7, those two have fairly clear-cut criteria. The biggest issue regarding G5 is when to use it, not whether it can be used. Is G4 controversial at all? It's the least accessible to non-admins. ansh666 21:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  G4 is a bit less clear-cut than you think (and I agree that it's probably the least accessible to non-admins because it involves comparing a page to a deleted version of the same page, which non-admins cannot do). The "not clear-cut" aspect comes from evaluating whether something (e.g. a new statement or source) is enough to make the page no longer "substantially identical" to the deleted version, and while I'd agree G4 isn't the most controversial of speedy deletion categories, different people could look at the same two pages and disagree on whether they are "substantially identical". Mz7 (talk) 21:39, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

  Thanks for the clarification, I'll keep that in mind. ansh666 22:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)