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Template:In

Template:In (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, unnecessary template. Mhiji (talk) 12:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional Delete – It is unnecessary; but it is not unused. There are, in fact, 14 uses of this template. If the nom, i.e. Mhiji, agrees to fix the red links that will appear then I'll !vote for it to be deleted. — Fly by Night (talk) 18:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per FlyByNight. Rehman 12:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there are actually only two uses (transclusions). If you check the links to those, you will see that there was some history regarding this template being deleted, then repurposed. I would suppose that orphaning the one transclusion, then redirecting this to {{indent}} might be a good idea. 134.253.26.12 (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I think this is supposed to be used for easy access to the character, like {{TM}} is there so that you can easily get to the ™ character. See also: Category:Typing-aid templates. --vgmddg (look | talk | do) 23:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Fly by Night. {{TM}} inserts the hard-to-add special character ™ but this template inserts math markup. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note see 2009 August 27#Template:In for a prior TFD when it was an indentation template. Checking the deleted history, it has been used for at least three different purposes in the past. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There may not be many transclusions because this template can and should be substituted. It's a typing aid, for people (like me, for one) who don't have math markup or alt codes memorized. Because it's usually substituted, it's harmless. --Bsherr (talk) 03:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – useful when inserting mathematical formulae. (Note: I've substed one of the remaining three trasclusions; the other two are based off an older version (that was deleted) that used the template for spacing.) —mc10 (t/c) 21:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The template is basically <math>\in</math>, so it use involves mixing maths markup and standard markup. If you going to use math markup its better to go the whole way and use <math>a\in A</math> $a\in A$ , using normal markup you want the unicode character U+2208; ∈, i.e. a ∈ A. Which has the entity name ∈. So the template encourages bad practice.--Salix (talk): 08:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, very usefull when substed, but change to ∈ rather than $\in$ . 21:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Template:Conflicted-license

Template:Conflicted-license (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Self nomination this is a template I made, Following the disscusion on Short-Rationale, I'm expressing concerns that the template could allow some images that should not be allowed to avoid proper scrutiny. Also as can be seen from the history this template has gone through at least 3 rewrites, and it's still a mess. Delete and review taggings on a case-by-case basis. Well intentioned template but in it's current form it's a mess... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Well-intentioned, however. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:The wording may need to be tweaked here and there but it is a useful tag. Many editors may not be aware of the concept or this tag, but it doesn't mean it is not needed. The other option would be to convert it to some sort of semi-speedy, or pre semi-speedy, warning tag along the lines of {{di-no permission}}. Soundvisions1 (talk) 07:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Turning it into a Deletable Image template seems a dandy idea, as such a nomination would fall quite neatly into speedy criterion F4, lack of licensing information. I would use the term "ambiguous or conflicting licensing terms" when describing. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Take a look at Template:Conflicted-license\reword\ and see what you think. Two versions - one based on this and one based on the "di-no" series of tags. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox template moved to Template:Conflicted-license/Reword, but otherwise discussion occurring over there. SchuminWeb (Talk) 08:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Expand

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My rationale is roughly that expressed at Wikipedia:ALTEXPAND ... "The {{expand}} template originated from a now-obsolete portion of the project: Wikipedia:Requests for expansion, which dated back to 2003 if not earlier. In November 2008, the backlog at Requests for expansion was only piling up higher and higher without anyone seeming to take care of it, and as a result, the project was tagged as inactive. Not that the backlog has gone down, either; Category:Articles to be expanded is closing in on 100,000 articles."

This tag merely states the obvious. The page that fathered it was abandoned because it was deemed to not serve any useful purpose. Prior TfDs have suffered from a lack of wider participation, leading to reluctance to close such a widely used template as delete, so I plan to advertise this one more fully so that consensus might be determined. Gigs (talk) 21:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Links to prior discussions 134.253.26.6 (talk) 21:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4 July 2010 no consensus (endorsed by DRV)

17 April 2010 delete (overturned by DRV).

13 July 2007 keep

Delete and/or replace with something more genre specific. Having a backlog of 100k articles needing to be expanded is not useful. This is also a bit redundant to the "stub" tags, which at least put the articles in subcategories based on genre. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 21:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can't vote twice. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where did he vote twice? Gigs (talk) 23:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I was confused. Still, they are canvassing on your behalf and that looks a bit fishy. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know. I wish he wouldn't have done that. I do wish I had a job at Sandia though. :) Gigs (talk) 23:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I've found it odd for a while that we have both this template and also stubs. We don't need both - they have the same function. And stubs do the job better. They mean that articles which are in need of expanding are categorised - they are more likely to be expanded this way, as no-one is going to go through this list of 100,000 articles and start improving them, but if categorised, editors interested in a particular subject can see which of the articles they are interested in need information adding to them (and WikiProjects can keep an eye on articles of interest to their project). Also stubs are less obtrusive - they are placed at the bottom of the article so are not obtrusive but still noticeable. I realise other cleanup templates are placed at the top, but articles which need expanding will often have the notice on them for a long time, and stub templates are usually quite noticable anyway, since the articles they are on are quite short anyway. Also, per nom, it's nearly always obvious when an articles need expanding (it is very short). Mhiji (talk) 22:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and speedy close per WP:NOTAGAIN (and yes, I know where that links). This template is widely used, not redundant, not obsolete, and after at least 5 TFDs, including an overturn at DRV, enough is enough.
To quote myself from the last DRV: "This template is intended for an article that is past the stub threshold but still in need of expansion." Template:Expand/doc states: "{{Expand}} should not be used on articles concurrently with stub templates - a stub template is an explicit request for expansion. {{Expand}} should only be used on articles that are beyond stub length, in place of a stub template."
We just got through with the TFD for {{Expand further}} and have had ongoing discussions on Template talk:Expand, such as Template talk:Expand#Type. Deleting this template would also break twinkle again until twinkle is updated (yes, this has happened before). --Tothwolf (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- {{expand further}} could actually be useful, since it at least says something meaningful, unlike this one, which merely states the obvious. Gigs (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Why speedy?! Clearly, this template would not be deleted without also updating Twinkle. I agree, {{expand further}} could be useful, but that's irrelevant really since we're not discussing deleting that here. I realise that the doc explicitly states that this should not be used as well as a stub template, but there is quite clearly a duplication of function between the two. And there's not a clear defined line where we should use one or the other. We either need a clear guideline as to what is a stub and what is an article which needs expanding, or we just use either one or the other. I don't see how it would be possible to draw a line (and what's the point of having this issue when it doesn't need to be there). I don't really mind which, but as I explained, the stub system has benefits which this doesn't - it wouldn't make sense to delete that. Mhiji (talk) 23:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The fact that there are many articles that need expansion is no reason to delete the template. By that logic, we might as well delete most of our cleanup tags, because nothing much ever seems to get done about them. Expand tells readers an article appears to be too short, which is just fine. FWIW, I was canvassed by an IP to comment here. Jclemens (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- How's it relevant that it was an IP? Mhiji (talk) 23:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is ridiculous. This deletion cycle also seems to be a regular occurence. I too was also canvassed into showing up here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if you didn't appreciate the notice. I don't believe it is WP:CANVASS if you notify both sides. I believe it is then WP:Publicising discussions. I have stopped though per your request. I have no agenda, other than making sure there is wide input. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 23:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bullshit. Notifying sixty eight people of a discussion that they participated in in the past is clearly canvassing, regardless of any agenda that you might or might not have. Just allow others to find this discussion but do not notify every person who has ever voted in prior discussions. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are nicer ways to say "please don't do that". As I said, I have stopped, and won't do it again. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 23:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, to quote Wikipedia:Canvassing here. "On the talk pages of individual users, such as those who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics)" is an appropriate notification. It might have been overkill here but it's clearly not canvassing since the IP seemed to have notified both sides. Garion96 (talk) 23:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please be civil. Mhiji (talk) 23:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Tothwolf. – Allen4names 23:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The deletion rationale overlooks that it is addressed to readers & potential improvers of the articles themselves. Wareh (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unnecessary, pointless and self-referential. There is no need for a template asking for expansion. That is implicit across all articles in the encyclopedia. It would be more sensible and useful having a template that asked people not to expand -- Mattinbgn (talk) 23:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep invalid argument by nom for deletion. Marcus Qwertyus 23:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Probably not the most useful of templates (more useful for sections than for whole pages), but it serves a purpose. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There's already {{Expand section}} to highlight individual sections for expansion. We're not discussing deleting that. Mhiji (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, I know all that. I was simply comparing this one with the section one. Sorry if that wasn't clear. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ok, it's just I'm a bit confused. Why should we keep this one if it's not very useful? Mhiji (talk) 23:54, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. To me, a stub is very short, with maybe one or two sources. The expand template should not be used with a stub; rather, it warns the person consulting a longer and more developed article that whatever its length and extent of sourcing, it's still missing aspects of the topic that may be important. Cynwolfe (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Probably redundant for articles, but useful for sections as a place-holder to get the structure right (e.g. here, where the article is being written out-of-order). Simon Brady (talk) 23:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For sections there is Template:Expand_section which is not nominated for deletion here. Garion96 (talk) 23:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True, but this hits {{expand|section}}, so that would need to be auto-converted somehow.Simon Brady (talk) 23:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Instances which use {{expand|section|...}} could simply be replaced with {{expand section|...}}. So if that was done would you have any objections to deleting this template? Mhiji (talk) 23:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As useful as any other maintenance template, historical details about dead Wikifunctionality aside. —chaos5023 (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The origins of the template or its misuse are not reasons for deletions. I use the template because I do not have unlimited time, topic knowledge or skills to create a complete article. I use it when splitting article or when creating article that should exist. It should not be overused and should only be added to a section rather that the article if possible. A quick look at the Jan 2007 articles showed that the template is not really needed on a number of them. Everyone seems to have a different idea as to how long an article should be so the stub and expand templates end up being quite freely used. We should be ruthless and remove the template from all but articles for which it is really needed. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - One of the most pointless and overused templates. Of course an article can be expanded, this is Wikipedia. Garion96 (talk) 23:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. please. Shimgray | talk | 23:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A very useful template. --ilamb94 (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Completely useless. This template conveys no useful information to editors or readers. Almost every article that isn't an FA likely could use significant expansion. Mr.Z-man 23:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AustralianFootballbox collapsible

Template:AustralianFootballbox collapsible (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 20:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ARSB

Template:ARSB (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ARSH1a

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Template:ARSHRa (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:ARSHA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 20:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CBB seasons row

Template:CBB seasons row (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CBB seasons conf (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CBB seasons coach (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 20:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Indic names

Template:Infobox Indic names (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox School Formal

Template:Infobox School Formal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to Template:Infobox school. Mhiji (talk) 17:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:In the news (main page)

Template:In the news (main page) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Duplication of Template:In the news Mhiji (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BugFixed

Template:BugFixed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Redundant to Template:Fixed. Mhiji (talk) 17:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not used yet. I made it for Wikipedia talk:Article alerts/Bugs together with {{NewBug}} and some to come. While not yet implemented, there was an idea to have additional field, such as, |priority=. Can move to userspace/project subpage if mainspace is a problem. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 17:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per hold your horses. It was created yesterday for the Article Alerts. We're rebooting the project after 8 or so months of inactivity and doing a complete overhaul, if it's unused once the dust has settled, we'll send it to deletion it ourselves. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 17:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bot style

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per G2. Mhiji (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bot style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Substantial duplication of Main Page. Single use template - has been subst'd. No need to keep it. Mhiji (talk) 16:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I speedied it. Apparent test-page of user currently blocked for playing all sorts of testing games. DMacks (talk) 16:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Block-reason

Template:Block-reason (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Redundant to other block templates. Mhiji (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's not going to show up because it is always substed, and it seems like a perfectly valid-to-use block template. That there are other block templates is irrelevent, this one is perfectly useful and so there is no reason to delete it. --Jayron32 17:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep no reason for deletion; a variety of templates are needed, including non-specific ones. DGG ( talk ) 18:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BlockGW

Template:BlockGW (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, unnecessary. Mhiji (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Has actually been used several times. Block templates are typically substituted rather than transcluded. --King Öomie 17:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But genre warring is not a valid reason to block a user... The correct block templates should be used instead. Mhiji (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I recall, there have been genre wars sufficiently disruptive that the use is appropriate. Of course we could use a nonspecific disruption template and explain , but tthat's no reason not to have a standard one. I find the availability of the various templates a useful reminder when dealing with a problem user. . DGG ( talk ) 18:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- But there are already block templates for edit warring. I don't see why it's necessary to have a separate template just for this type of edit warring... Mhiji (talk) 18:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't see why the availability of a more general template necessitates this one's deletion. Why have multiple block templates at all in that case? It seems a single template to add the stop_x_nuvola image and a hand-typed description would suffice. --King Öomie 19:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation

Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bishops of Port Elizabeth

Template:Bishops of Port Elizabeth (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Red links. Mhiji (talk) 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ben Affleck

Template:Ben Affleck (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 16:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BUAFLPrimaryColor

Template:BUAFLPrimaryColor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:BUAFLSecondaryColor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:BUAFLSecondaryColorRaw (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Algerian diaspora

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete

Template:Algerian diaspora (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Nearly all red. Mhiji (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ambassadors course table

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Mhiji (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ambassadors course table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The purpose of this is for substitution into a table. I've been using it and will need it more.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, didn't realise it was substituted. Keep. Mhiji (talk) 17:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:American icon

Template:American icon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:British icon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, unnecessary. Redundant to Template:En icon. Mhiji (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The purpose of these icons is to indicate the reader that the linked article is in a particular language. I doubt that anyone is going to not click on an article because they are unable to read either American (or British) English but are able to read British (or American) English. I would argue that even the use of the "en icon" on this Wikipedia is somewhat unnecessary. If you are on the English WP, do we need to warn you that the linked article is in English. Gasp! 134.253.26.6 (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AS Saint-Étienne Ladies squad

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete

Template:AS Saint-Étienne Ladies squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unused? I only created the template recently and have used the template for Saint-Étienne women's players here, here, here, and here. I am currently in the process of creating the articles (and improving women's football on Wikipedia, in general) that are red links, but I am currently busy at the moment in the real world. I would prefer this template not be deleted. Later. — Joao10Siamun (talk) 18:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is unused. The template used on those articles is Template:AS Saint-Étienne (Ladies) squad. This is a duplicate of that. Speedy delete this one per T3. Mhiji (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So the latter template mentioned by you is okay? If so, then I'm alright with the deletion of the duplicate. — Joao10Siamun (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ACT on Campus

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Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2011 North Indian Ocean cyclone season buttons

Template:2011 North Indian Ocean cyclone season buttons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because the season has not started yet, it is blank. the template is hidden in the 2011 North Indian Ocean cyclone season page. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 16:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Netural - Whilst it isn't showing up on what links here, as Anirudh said it has already been commented into the 2011 North Indian Ocean cyclone season. So for that reason i feel the nomination isn't valid. However, we do not usually create the buttons until 1 or 2 storms have formed.Jason Rees (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since it hasn't started yet. Button bars shouldn't be made until there is at least one storm, and it's generally useless until there are two storms with articles. --Hurricanehink (talk) 22:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2010-11 Townsville Crocodiles season game log

Template:2010-11 Townsville Crocodiles season game log (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2010-11 New Zealand Breakers season game log

Template:2010-11 New Zealand Breakers season game log (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2008 Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference football standings

Template:2008 Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference football standings (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1967 in Asian Football (AFC)

Template:1967 in Asian Football (AFC) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. nearly all red links Mhiji (talk) 15:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:COMilitary

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Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now in full use PG Pirate 20:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep now that it is use, since it is one of a series of other state templates. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 21:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:COIN notice

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Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CNL-Pegasus

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Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CNL-Berliner

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Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CNID Footballer of the Year Winners

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Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canadian federal election, 2009

Template:Canadian federal election, 2009 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There was no federal election in 2009. Probably created by someone jumping the gun and anticipating one as Parliament was bordering on collapse for a time. Reso lute 20:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canadian Provinces and Territories gallery

Template:Canadian Provinces and Territories gallery (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I can't even fathom how this is useful. Reso lute 20:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canadian Federal Election Candidate List

Template:Canadian Federal Election Candidate List (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete but potentially userfy in creator's userspace? This doesn't belong in a template in the first place, but the layout could be useful for a list article about other elections. Reso lute 20:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canada provinces topomap

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per G7. Mhiji (talk) 17:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canada provinces topomap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete its unused because they seem to be using Template:Canada provinces map instead as at Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography of Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talk • contribs) 15:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Canada at the Olympics

Template:Canada at the Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redundant to {{Infobox Olympics Canada}}. Reso lute 20:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Can city COA layout

Template:Can city COA layout (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or move into WP:CANADA project space. It really just a recommended style layout for a very specific type of article. Reso lute 20:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CanMilHistNotice

Template:CanMilHistNotice (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campsie platform box

Template:Campsie platform box (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio seasons

Template:Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Wars of Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah

Template:Campaignbox Wars of Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox References

Template:Campaignbox References (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Naval engagements of the Korean War

Template:Campaignbox Naval engagements of the Korean War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support deletion. Coverage of the Korean War is adequate in the KW campaignbox. This one is misused in that it contains material not related to the 1950-1953 Korean War.--S. Rich (talk) 17:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Mongol invasion of North China

Template:Campaignbox Mongol invasion of North China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Mongol conquest of South China

Template:Campaignbox Mongol conquest of South China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox King Philip's War

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Mhiji (talk) 18:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox King Philip's War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh, what? the template is clearly being used on two articles. Furthermore, the relevant guidelines states The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used (my emphasis) - as the links in the template clearly show there are other articles which need to be written which would fall within the scope of the template. Hence the likelihood of it being used even more in the future is pretty good.

More generally I notice that Mhiji has just proposed a very large number of templates for deletion and while I'm sure some of these proposals are justified I seriously question this kind of a mass action. Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see, it's not used in the sense that it is not in the articles listed in the template. Well, then it just needs to be added to those articles, which I'll do now. Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, keep as now used. Mhiji (talk) 18:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Campaignbox Indian Wars of the Southern British Colonies in North America

Template:Campaignbox Indian Wars of the Southern British Colonies in North America (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Glamorgan

Template:Campaignbox Glamorgan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. red links Mhiji (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Despenser wars

Template:Campaignbox Despenser wars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Austro-Turkish War (1526-1552)

Template:Campaignbox Austro-Turkish War (1526-1552) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Atlantic Ocean and North Sea 1914–1918

Template:Campaignbox Atlantic Ocean and North Sea 1914–1918 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Anglo–Spanish War (1625)

Template:Campaignbox Anglo–Spanish War (1625) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Mhiji (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox American Civil War: Northern Carolina

Template:Campaignbox American Civil War: Northern Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Nearly all red links Mhiji (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox American Civil War: John Hood's Retreat from Tennessee

Template:Campaignbox American Civil War: John Hood's Retreat from Tennessee (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Nearly all red links Mhiji (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox American Civil War: John Hood's March to Tennessee

Template:Campaignbox American Civil War: John Hood's March to Tennessee (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Nearly all red links Mhiji (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cairo Radio

Template:Cairo Radio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Nearly all red links. Mhiji (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CSU Asesoft

Template:CSU Asesoft (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CSK VVS Samara

Template:CSK VVS Samara (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CKCCF

Template:CKCCF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Nearly all red links Mhiji (talk) 15:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CHL season standings legend

Template:CHL season standings legend (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Reso lute 20:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as creator. As already noted above by Mhiji, I too see no reason for its existence. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cambrian ISC

Template:Cambrian ISC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:C Jakarta

Template:C Jakarta (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cabinet of Albania

Template:Cabinet of Albania (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CI4ElimHist

Template:CI4ElimHist (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Mhiji (talk) 15:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canadian Air Force

Template:Canadian Air Force (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Canadian music quick links

Template:Canadian music quick links (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused Mhiji (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CSI season 10 episode list

Template:CSI season 10 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 9 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 8 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 7 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 6 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 5 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 4 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 3 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 2 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CSI season 1 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note these are not in use since all the episode articles were redirected. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cardenal Caro Province

Template:Cardenal Caro Province (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cancelled

Template:Cancelled (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Mhiji (talk) 15:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It may be unused at the moment but there are a lot of people who haven't discovered it yet. Just like the Not done template and the Doing template, anyone may simply put {{Canceled}} for various purposes. It would be helpful if the Cancelled template was to be kept. Jaguar (talk) 15:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But when would anyone need to use it? Mhiji (talk) 15:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's just like the other templates.

Doing... can be used if a user describes that they are in the middle of doing something, and

Done is used a lot. I invented

Cancelled because it would be helpful to use a template rather than the verb. It could be 'advertised' if the template were to have a template documentation. Jaguar (talk) 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I understand

Done can be useful (I've used it myself) and can see that

Doing... could be too (and evidently it is because people use it). But I can't think of any reason why some one would use this template. We already have

Not done, so I think this template's pretty redundant to that really. Can you give a specific example of where this might be used? Mhiji (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2011 in Japanese football

I got a TfD notification message but there isn't an entry of the template here. Anyway, it is used now and will be used more as soon as I start 2011 season articles. The template is just next-year continuation of the existing ones. —WiJG ? 05:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Gridiron football person alt

Template:Infobox Gridiron football person alt (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I don't see how this is different from {{Infobox gridiron football person}} Magioladitis (talk) 03:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Use the power of "what links here" and voila, we find Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 7#New Gridiron person infobox. Now, if this is necessary can be debated, but the rationale for its creation is clear. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 22:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have checked the transclusions, and this one has a subset of the features of the standard box. The standard box allows for Arena League, which appears to be the reason why the "alt" version was created. Hence, this one can be deleted. I have orphaned a few. Someone can revert me if they don't like it. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Early Cricketer

Template:Infobox Early Cricketer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox cricketer}} which has a bit more options. We can make the extra options optional and the two templates will be the same. Magioladitis (talk) 03:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It can hardly be termed "redundant" when about 50 articles use it. However, if you are proposing a merger with {{Infobox cricketer}} such that the information can be limited to that needed by these articles, then I have no objection other than to ask who is going to amend the infobox in the articles? The point about these articles given their use of this infobox is that there is little or no statistical data about the careers of the very early players. If Magioladitis can effect a seamless transition, then – fine. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 07:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:New York Yankees seasons

Template:New York Yankees seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I tried CSD once before as these pages are transcluded in Template:New York Yankees (all the way at the bottom), but this was denied for some reason. Maybe that user didn't see it? Muboshgu (talk) 02:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redundant to the main Yankees template. Reso lute 20:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Major League Soccer

Template:WikiProject Major League Soccer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This WikiProject seems to be dead, and no articles transclude the assessment banner. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 01:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IraqSniper

Template:IraqSniper (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This navigational footer template contains 2 non-redlinks. I can't see where this is a useful template. Function could easily be covered by a category. Jayron32 00:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been several years since I made that, so my memory could be rusty, but I'm fairly certain that every link I made was originally valid. I have no idea why those articles no longer exist, since a Google search of their names yields enough sources to demonstrate some measure of notability for each of the gentlemen. James Gilliand, Galen Wilson, Ethan Place. I think the Wikipedia would be better served with turning those redlinks blue again. Preferably by someone who's not currently in finals week and studying for his GRE. If no one is available to step up to sort it out, I can deal with it next week. EvilCouch (talk) 01:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep'''. please. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 23:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' - A very useful template. --[[User:Ilamb94|ilamb94]] ([[User talk:Ilamb94|talk]]) 23:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' - Completely useless. This template conveys no useful information to editors or readers. Almost every article that isn't an FA likely could use significant expansion. <span style="font-family:Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</span> 23:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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