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Using Pronouns

Greetings to all,

I am a new editor and wanted to know if there is any kind of policy/guidelines regarding the use of Pronouns for the 72 genders? As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and sometimes it gets confusing, in the context.

P.S. I mean no offense to anyone. I am just trying to understand and learn. Thank you! CheezyMom (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Please clarify— in articles, or otherwise? There's MOS:PRONOUNS. (72?) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

In articles. I was editing Darwin Del Fabro, a non-binary actor and singer, the article is written in he/they and at a few instances, they and their of Darwin and they and their of a production company was getting mixed. Although, it has been fixed for now, however, it got me thinking, the impact of it on readability of the article, and what about in the future, such confusions become unavoidable?

Thank you for your question, it was indeed a necessary clarity. Thank you :)

P.S. as of 2023, there has been 72 genders. CheezyMom (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Right, in articles the guideline is MOS:PRONOUN (but a caveat for all policies and guidelines is If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.— we have a rule to ignore all rules).🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks a lot. CheezyMom (talk) 00:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I would say: use the pronoun that you think most obviously applies to someone unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. "This person has expressed a preference for X pronoun" counts as a compelling reason, as does "this person is trans" and "you've made a mistake there". DS (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment @DragonflySixtyseven, I am concerned about the articles. I do respect the people's choice for themselves, and would always use their preferred pronouns.

Thank you. :) CheezyMom (talk) 16:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Really, the policy is that if they identify as anything other than male or female, the pronouns of their biogacal sex should be used. If they are trans, only use the pronouns of the gender they have transitoned tó if they are fully transiotoned. But usally, please use the pronouns of their biolagacal sex, as it ís note formal. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

No, see MOS:GENDERID, which says "Refer to any person whose gender might be questioned with the name and gendered words (e.g. pronouns, man/woman/person, waiter/waitress/server) that reflect the person's most recent expressed self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources." It is their self-identification that matters, not whatever we consider that their biological sex may be. Elemimele (talk) 11:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Í can’t hide my discontent anymore. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean (and, FYI, some of the vowels you type seem to have ácúté áccénts ón thém.) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Í use an Icelandic keyboard Blackmamba31248 (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Even if you're discontent with how the MoS works, how on earth does replying to someone with your own made-up policy (using 'pronouns of their biogacal sex') in the question-and-answer board for new editors help anyone? Manpinsou (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I probably could say some things I shouldn't about the assertion--as if it's commonly accepted and, well, everybody knows it--that there are 72 genders (particularly in view of the fact that the question could have been presented just as well without it). But I guess, since this isn't an article, a citation to a reputable source is not required. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessing the assertion that there's a fixed number of 72 exactly and everyone knows it is coming from someone w/out much knowledge on this type of thing trying to act in good faith. In the end, it doesn't matter much since they got a link to the MoS and are trying to be kind. Manpinsou (talk) 16:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

There's List of genders, but I think it's nigh-impossible (if not wrong on some level) to sort a "social, cultural, beahavioural and psychological" thing into nice discrete little boxes, count them up, and call it a day. Cremastra (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Shi Xing Mi (living person)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shi Xing Mi
 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shi Xing Mi (2nd nomination)

Hello, I've been directed here by admins from deletion review, I hope you might be able to halp me.

A short backstory.

I am a student of Master Shi Xing Mi and work in media, so several years ago I created a Wikipedia entry about him, which I subsequently edited and eventually added over 20 sources following the notice of deletion due to a lack of independent sources. Nonetheless, the page was deleted, in my opinion completely incorrectly.

Master Shi Xing Mi has hundreds of international sources, from prestigious publications such as Forbes and NYP, to government institutions in several countries and large international corporations. He is the most quoted and published Shaolin Master globally, with 4 books published by the likes of Random House and Mondadori, as well as the Co-Founder of two international wellness and fitness companies with hundreds of employees.

Despite providing over 20 such sources in the Wikipedia article, as well as hundreds more being available to anyone with just a single Google search, somehow a Wikipedia moderator deleted it citing "no independent sources". Without being sarcastic, clearly Master Shi Xing Mi doesn't own dozens of top international magazines and newspapers, global book editors, government institution and many other such sources. They are clearly impeccable independent sources.

The deletion seems thus completely unfounded and arbitrary, to me; furthermore, there are dozens of Wikipedia pages about living people who comparatively have a miniscule number of sources, yet are considered compliant. Oddly, Shi Xing Mi's own Master, Shi De Yang, has 1 (one) source which is his own website, yet it's considered acceptable. Shi Xing Mi, who by the way is mentioned in Shi De Yang's Wikipedia page, has hundreds of sources but is not acceptable.

I would be happy to understand how to create an appropriate page for my Master, or how to correctly edit and source the deleted one, if anyone would be so kind as to help me. Previously, I just added 20 sources, ranging from Forbes to Shaolin Temple, but somehow that was deemed insufficient. Would gladly do better if someone could help me understand what better should look like.

Thank you. 83.79.71.123 (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Shi De Yang's page is unacceptable and I will soon be creating a proposed deletion for the page. It has three sources, one of which is his own page (which cannot be reached) and two sources that aren't really independent of the subject.

Shi Xing Mi is referenced on the page, but not really. He's pictured with Shi De Yang, and thus has to be mentioned.

Looking at the second deletion discussion, I'm unfortunately with those who voted to delete the page. If I were to try and create the page now, I'd really struggle with the sources available. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

An dependent source is not necessarily a source owned by the subject. It is any source that exclusively contains info directly from the subject (link to our policy on that here).Also, calling New York Post a "prestigious publication" is rather ironic considering its status as a tabloid. Industrial Insect (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

At the following page I found links to PDFs of extensive in depth interviews and profilings by media ranging from the Handelsblatt (the most prestigious financial newspaper in Europe) to Men's Health (the most widely printed fitness magazine globally), Outside Magazine (the top outdoor activities magazine worldwide), Yoga Life (the most popular Yoga magazine in Europe), H Edition, BizOne, and several other internationally very well known publications. Articles are in English, German, Italian, Russian.

https://www.xingmi.info/press

Would I be correct in understanding that all of the above classify as very reputable independent sources? They certainly more than satisfy the criteria indicated in the Wikipedia information which was shared with me regarding appropriate references. They also certainly not classify as "tabloids" as you indicated the NYP to be (ignoring the links to Forbes and other non-tabloids I previously offered repeatedly).83.79.71.123 (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Would I be correct in understanding that all of the above classify as very reputable independent sources?

They range from unreliable to possibly reliable, certainly not "very reputable". See WP:RSP and WP:RS. Remsense诉 17:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

To be quite frank with you, no I don't think they would be classed as independent or reliable. Interviews and profiles are great to find out about stuff that the individual wants to tell you, they are not great for independent and unbiased reporting. This is even more evident by the fact that, yet again, these links are shown on his own website.

If he had plenty of reliable, secondary sources out there on him then fair enough, but currently I'm not really seeing any evidence of that at all. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

If the some of the most reputable international newspapers and magazines are not reliable sources, what are? 83.79.71.123 (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I linked you a guideline page and a big list of them. Remsense诉 22:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I read it, and to me most seem to qualify as both unquestionably reliable and clearly independent. Additionally, there are the official Shaolin institutions which were already linked in the deleted page, such as Shaolin Temple itself, Shaolin Europe Association (the European federation of the temple), etc.

If I was to recreate the page with all those sources together, would it be acceptable? 83.79.71.123 (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I recommend starting a draft and submitting it at WP:AFC. Remsense诉 07:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I will do. Also his master, Shi De Yang, I noticed his page was mentioned also as to be deleted; he is the most famous Chinese Shaolin Master alive, with documentaries made about him by BBC and National Geographic, I would like to fix his page too if I can.

Masters Shi Xing Mi and Shi De Yang are respectively the most well known and widely impactful and published international and Chinese Shaolin masters of contemporary times, I strongly believe they should be present in Wikipedia and their biographies preserved in its archives.

They’ve been the two most fundamental people, together with Shaolin Abbot Shi Yong Xin, in bringing the Shaolin philosophy in the 21st century. 178.197.210.16 (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Refer to the arguments made at the AFD page. As with everything, sources tell the tale. Remsense诉 09:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

If you have those sources where Shi De Yang has been in documentaries by the BBC and National Geographic then please, by all means add information from that documentary. It's not an article for deletion, it's a proposed deletion.

If you're actively improving it with appropriate sources then that proposed deletion template can be removed in an instant. Likewise, if you remove it without adding appropriate sources I will just take it to AFD instead which is almost guaranteed to be successful due to the lack of appropriate sources.

Please see WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:RSP. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Whilst I openly and honestly stated to be connected to the subject, all sources I provided are independent (newspapers, magazines, government, corporate) and not connected to the subject nor to me.

I would also venture to say that most people who make a Wikipedia entry about someone or something, have at the very least a strong interest in the subject, so strong as to prompt them to take the time and effort to write about it; therefore the statement you make is not very realistic, in my opinion. 178.197.185.159 (talk) 13:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

All of the sources that you provided are on the subject's own website. All of them seem to be profiles or interviews. These are things that the subject wants you to read about them, or information that has been spoonfed to people. We cannot use this.

Currently, I have a tab open to "Shi Xing Mi". I'm on the news section on that Google search. What do I see? "How to fight against work stress? Shaolin monk gives tips", "Is your work life a living hell? Stay Zen with 6 tips from a monk" and "Zen in Zürich: The Dolder Grand lädt zum Meditation Retreat". These are the three articles I manage to find, the third is a booking for a meditation retreat in Zurich. The rest of the sources on this page are for things completely unrelated, such as viruses, 25 words you shouldn't use on the Chinese internet and stuff about Chinese shows you should watch. In total, there are 10 results on this search.

Do any of the three sources that are related to Shi Xing Mi seem as if they prove notability? Do these seem like reliable sources for information? I don't think they do.

There's also a very distinct difference between having a conflict of interest and taking an interest. A conflict of interest is where you have a direct link to an individual or organisation, such as yourself, and good on you for declaring it. Taking an interest is seeing something, going "neat" and starting to research.

One of these requires a declaration on your user page, the talk page of the subject or every edit you make regarding a subject and may, in cases of disruption, result in you being blocked from a topic or Wikipedia as a whole. One of these lets you edit away to your hearts content. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I did the same Google search and got 3 TED talks, a link to the publisher of one of his books, two Universities, two Shaolin institutions, of course his personal website and social media, some of the articles you mention, etc. As bias as I might be, you seem far more bias in the opposite direction. TED, two Universities, Palta and Apple corporate news, his book by Mondadori (biggest publisher in Italy) didn't appear to you? They are in the first search results page for me. Honestly, for all your virtue signaling objectivity, it's evident that you have zero willingness to be truly objective and fair in assessing that there is a tremendous volume of independent sources of all possible types, from media to institutions, spanning several decades, and that the deletion is amply debatable and should at least warrant reconsideration. The threats you make of blocking someone (me) who has openly and politely presented an alternative case, honestly stating a connection with the subject, is only further indication of no objectivity in the discussion but rather a cancel mentality if someone "dares" question something clearly illogical: deletion due to insufficient independent sources of someone with hundreds of independent sources spanning decades. Do as you wish, I've already invested too much energy in this matter and I'm sure Masters Shi Xing Mi and Shi De Yang will live happily and successfully without Wikipedia entries. It's just silly that the two most respected and published modern Master of a very famous tradition won't be listed because of some random administrator's bias and inability to accept a mistake.

213.7.204.230 (talk) 07:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

To put it very bluntly: these are not impressive figures you are citing. Even if they were being represented proportionately, which they are not. He has not given three TED Talks, he has given three TEDx talks, which mean next to nothing for notability.

You have been pretty disrespectful of the time of other editors trying to help you and explain site guidelines, and are refusing any and all suggestions citing policy. You're not going to stonewall your way to getting an article, there is either notability or there is not, and it seems there is not. Maybe he would survive AfD, but you're not going to badger your way into making everyone change their mind at once without actually engaging with what our notability policy says. Remsense诉 11:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

There is not then. As you said. Both Masters Xing Mi and De Yang frequently speak to audiences of thousands (for example at WEC, see photos), are published by major editors, and have founded companies and schools which employ hundreds and train thousands. But clearly there is no notability. Ok, they’ll both survive without Wikipedia, I did my best, however poorly. Thank you for your time. 62.228.232.10 (talk) 14:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Deleting account on another wiki.

I accidentally created an account in the Italian wikipedia, can I delete it? This user is (talk) 10:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. There is no means of deleting accounts, just don't use it if you don't wish to. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. This user is (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@This user is: strictly speaking, you have one account, which is valid on all Wikipedias, as well as other Wikimedia projets such as Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I thought it was created because of https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Registri/This_user_is. This user is (talk) 11:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a weird situation. The accounts are centrally managed, so if you create an account called JohnSmith while using the English wikipedia, you'll find that an account called JohnSmith exists on all the others, too, and if you edit them while you're logged on, that will be your username everywhere. But although you only have one account for all Wikipedias, each Wikipedia will supply you with your own opportunity for a user-page and your own talk-page, and these will operate quite independently. Those using the Italian Wikipedia will see your Italian user-page, while those using the English will see your English. If you habitually edit in multiple languages, there are ways to make sure that everyone sees one unified user-page if you wish. But if you only occasionally drop in to other wikipedias, don't worry about it. Elemimele (talk) 12:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. This user is (talk) 14:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@This user is: Your account will work at around 1000 of the Wikimedia wikis at Special:SiteMatrix. A local version of the account is automatically created if you view any page at the wiki while already logged in at another of the wikis like the English Wikipedia. Special:CentralAuth/This user is shows your current accounts. Some wikis post welcome messages to new accounts with no edits. That happened yesterday at the Italian Wikipedia and you were probably notified about it. It confuses and annoys many users. Just ignore it. I once suggested to disallow it at meta:Welcoming policy but it got no attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. This user is (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Almalgamated lithographers of America

Good morning. My name is Chris Sclafani. I am the business agent for Almalgamated Lithographers Of America union. There is some information on your site that is not up to date. We are no longer part of the IBT Teamsters Union. Our contract has been legally terminated. Also some of the history are not correct. I was wondering how we can fix this ? We understand it’s a non for profit organization. We will help out with the cost. Please advise us how to proceed.

thanks Chris LocaloneL (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @LocaloneL and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you specify what information you are referring to? CanonNi (talk) 12:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

The building head quarters should not reference the IBT Teamsters. There is no affiliation with the Teamsters anymore. We would like all “teamster” references kindly removed. Who should I send any documentation to ? LocaloneL (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@LocaloneL: You may post links (or details of works on paper) here; or on the talk page of the article. Note that we will likely change the reference to IBTT to past tense, but not remove it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Amalgamated Lithographers of America

@LocaloneL: You may find this FAQ useful. The most crucial thing is that we need a source or sources to support every change. We generally ask for independent coverage (such as press articles), but for something like the IBT Teamsters issue, a statement on your own, or their, website should suffice. Also, you don't have to pay for this, and anyone asking you to do so in response to this post is likely a scammer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Are there any good pages in need of editing?

I'm still fairly new to this, but I wanted to know if there are any pages that need help. ProfessorMilo12 (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

All of the pages on Wikipedia need help in some way or another. You could start by looking for stub class articles in your area of interest or check out WP:CITEHUNT to fix some citations as some easy examples. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

"Good articles" has a special meaning within Wikipedia, meaning those have been nominated and critically reviewe and rated as Good articles. (Ratings are shown on article Talk pages.) Stub, Start and C-class are easier to identify shortfalls. Some articles have comments at the top specifying shortfalls - most common are that content needs more and better references. David notMD (talk) 02:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

If you have any specific preferences or fields of interest or expertise, it should not take you long to find something to help with. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm working on a page about Dead Estate (a video game.) If you're into video games, give me a hand if you'd like! MarinaTheRanger (talk) 16:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Another resource is over at Community portal, Help out section here. When I first began at Wikipedia, I found it to be helpful. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Using institutional or project GIT repositories as references

Dear ALL, I am interested if using institutional/project GIT repositories (be it GitHub, GitLab or other) as references is OK for English Wikipedia? Thank you (please tag me in response) -- Zblace (talk) 07:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Zblace. These are websites where users can largely add whatever they want. Although I am certain that much of the content is valid and useful to actual developers, much of it is also malicious nonsense, or does not work properly. Caveat emptor is applicable. Websites consisting largely of User contributed content without editorial control are not accepted as reliable sources on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I can imagine that being the case in general, but for institutions running the project this is not the case as they both have internal editorial control and operate in different way when it comes to releasing open code, text, media...where GIT is just the format on the platform. Zblace (talk) 20:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, I beg to slightly differ...

If an article mention a project kept on a git-server, a link to it WOULD be appropriate. Sources are usually best considered in light of WHAT they are expected to confirm. A historical example could be of the Pravda frontpage confirming Stalin's demise; the publication was as "honest" as Hitler's propagandist Goebbels, but in an article about the Soviet Union, such a reference would be perfectly valid as evidence of when and how his passing had been made public to the survivors of his policies. Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 07:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Publishing article and page creation

I have published an article on Wikipedia representing the overview of my company. But it is nominated for speedy deletion. I want help in creating a page for my company and an article. Qubicgen (talk) 07:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qubicgen and welcome to the Teahouse. It is strongly discouraged to write about your company, per WP:COI. If you believe your company meets WP:NOTABILITY and would like an article about it, you can request it WP:RA. CanonNi (talk) 07:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for your information. What should I do to create a page and an article for my company? Qubicgen (talk) 08:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, you shouldn't create an article for your company, as it violates WP:COI and possibly WP:NEUTRAL. CanonNi (talk) 08:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

You are allowed to try. On your User page, declare that you are paid by the company (applies even if you own the company, or are an unpaid intern). The see WP:NCORP to see if the company qualifies, and WP:YFA to create and then submit a draft for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Oooop. Your account now indefinitely blocked. You can appeal the block. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Appeal would almost certainly fail per username policy, so not worth the bother, imho. But they could simply abandon the account and create another one that only applies to one person. Even something like Qubicgen-Joseph is admissible, I'm pretty sure, but not just Qubicgen by itself. Mathglot (talk) 01:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft revisions

Hi,

I am working on a draft for a musician. She is mentioned in passing on other wikipedia pages so I thought she would be a good artist to try and make my first page for: Draft:Kerenza Peacock

However due to feedback on my draft already I think she may not be a good candidate for a page. The reviewer mentions the lack of independent coverage. I agree that there are not many independent journalistic sources with much detail on this musician, however she does met some of the other criterio on WP:Notability (Music) e.g singles in the national music charts, albums released with a notable record label.

I would appreciate some advice about whether this lack of significant independent coverage will mean the musician is not eligible for a Wikipedia page.

Thank you!

Lauren-Abroad (talk) 08:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Lauren-Abroad and welcome to the Teahouse. If an article draft is lacking independent sources, it's most likely not suitable for an article. See WP:NOTABILITY. CanonNi (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Lauren-Abroad Hello and welcome. You say that you are "working on a draft for a musician"- are you associated with this musician?

A person can technically meet the notability criteria and still not merit an article because the sources are not there. 331dot (talk) 08:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for your replies. I see that the artist probably does not merit an article due to lack of significant independent sources. It is difficult as the artist and her music is mentioned in many independent sources but none goes into sufficient detail about the musician herself I think.

To clarify also, I am not associated with the musician, other than knowing her music and thinking she was a good candidate for my first attempt at a Wikipedia page. Lauren-Abroad (talk) 00:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Malene Heerup English

My submission has not been accepted. This is the reason that was given: "he content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you."

Could someone have a look at the draft and be more specific? Which inline citations do not Wikipedia's minimum standard and why?

Thank you Milaefema (talk) 08:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Milaefema and welcome to the Teahouse. See links given in the reason for more info. CanonNi (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

what?

Keep4getn1 2001:5B0:2467:4DD8:DDEA:46F:EAA6:F881 (talk) 23:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Milaefema: for privacy etc. reasons we have strict referencing requirements for articles on living people (WP:BLP), with inline citations to reliable published sources being required to support anything potentially contentious (which basically means any substantive statement which anyone might want to dispute or even wonder where it's come from) as well as all personal details such as DOB. You also need to ensure that the source you're citing actually supports the information against which it is cited: for example, you're stating that Malene's mother is Liselotte Taarup, but you're supporting that statement with a source (ref #6) that doesn't seem to even mention Malene. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Milaefema: In addition, the Education section has no inline citations and there are many exhibitions listed without inline citations. GoingBatty (talk) 03:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Article to approve

Hello wikipedians,

I have translated an article from French wiki for English wiki and it needs to get approved. is there anyways to speedup the process of reviewing draft articles?

Here is the draft: Draft:Leili Anvar

Many thanks

cheers Persian-art-and-culture (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Persian-art-and-culture: You can add {{subst:submit}} to the very top of the draft to submit it for review. It may take some time, however. You can add WikiProject tags to the draft, which may help with review speed (the template added by the code above will help you do this, under the "Improving your odds of a speedy review" header), but drafts are reviewed in no specific order. Your phrasing that it "needs" to get approved is interesting – are you compensated for your work on this draft in any way? Tollens (talk) 09:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

sorry, English is not my mother tongue so my message might have caused misunderstanding.

by "needs", I meant "it needs to be get approved to get published". there is no rush, I just wanted to know what is the process and how is it possible to submit drafts for reviewing.

thanks for your guidance @Tollens

cheers Persian-art-and-culture (talk) 10:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay – no problem! Tollens (talk) 10:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Article published. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

removing banners of waesle words and missing encyclopedic tone

after doing a lot to bring this article Stephan von Huene in a better state i need help to remove those banners or find more issues to fix. thank you very much! Frau pomerenke (talk) 09:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Frau pomerenke: removed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@PigsonthewingThank You very much! Frau pomerenke (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Authority control

hi Wikipedians,

why the authority control is not appearing in this page?

Draft:Leili Anvar

Persian-art-and-culture (talk) 10:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I've added the Wikidata ID to the template so that it works in draftspace. Once the draft is published and connected to Wikidata it will work automatically. Tollens (talk) 10:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

article is published and QID removed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:hover styles for elements

Is it accessible or convenient for Wikipedia to create CSS :hover styles that drastically change the content, e.g. show a hidden message or reveal additional information? —Nataliemeoww (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nataliemeoww: How do you hover on a touch screen? Or on a screen reader? All information should either be accessible (i.e. visible) when a page loads, or not be in Wikipedia. MOS:DONTHIDE has some more stuff to read. And WP:ACCESSIBILITY is the overarching policy to follow. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. —Nataliemeoww (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Bazza_7, using Ghostery and I think most other browsers for Android etc, the effect you'd get by hovering a cursor is achieved simply by tapping the relevant area once. Such effects definitely include popups. To stop the effect, you tap there a second time. (I don't know about screen readers, and I agree with the gist of what you're saying.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Publishing

Overwhelmed with source coding and wandering through the labrynth for answers. But, now feel my article is completed (in Sandbox) and ready to publish. Haven't a clue how to do that; see no button or menu item to proceed. Please provide easy-to-understand guidance. Thank you. Artleytoons (talk) 12:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Artleytoons and welcome to the Teahouse. You probably won't want to hear this but the draft feels unready for publishing, mostly because it is an autobiography and isn't very neutral. CanonNi (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Artleytoons Put the "code" {{subst:submit}} on top of it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the reply. I'll take it down. Artleytoons (talk) 16:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Artleytoons: Although we generally deprecate the writing of autobiographies, you as a subject clearly meet our requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia, and what you wrote was not overly promotional. I encourage you to restore and improve it (with the emphasis on ensuring that every statement is cited to an independent source), and submit it for review. When an article about you is published, you might consider openly-licensing on of your cartoons, as an example of your work. See also WP:FAQAS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks for notification and advice. I will give it another try. I liked your suggestion of posting one of my cartoons. 73.216.154.203 (talk) 19:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Per your suggestion, my attempt to upload one of my own cartoons netted a reponse that I did not have permission; that such an action required a level of which I have not yet risen:

<<The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Autoconfirmed users, Administrators, Confirmed users>>

Puzzlling, as I was able to upload the photo without the admonition. Then again, my novice status may have caused me to neglect some measure in the protocols. Artleytoons (talk) 02:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Sophie Ferguson

Hello, I'm French, sorry for my bad english.

Sophie Ferguson has an article in 14 languages, so I wrote her article in french, but she had a debate "Article for deletion", because the national sources of ABCNews were considered as "brèves" (sorry for this french word, I don't know the word in english). I didn't found better than these brèves in google.

My question is : as english-speakers, can you find, in national or international sources, articles about this australian tenniswoman that I didn't find? Or maybe you know a journalist in a national journal that can write a biography of her? Thank you very much for your searches and your answers. :) Slzbg (talk) 12:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the teahouse. This is mainly a problem with the requirements at the French language Wikipedia, whose deletion discussion can be found here here fr:Discussion:Sophie Ferguson/Admissibilité; the article seems to run afoul of the French equivalent of Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis. Looking at the deletion discussion: I am not sure if more sources might save the french article from deletion. Si vous avez encore des questions: je suis bien capable de répondre en francais. Lectonar (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Slzbg: I think "brèves" might be related to the English word "brevity", meaning the property of being "brief" or "not in-depth". On this Wikipedia, we refer to the opposite as "significant coverage". Perhaps you can use some of the sources or external links on our article, Sophie Ferguson? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers Lectonar and Pigsonthewing ^^ You found the right word : these are briefs, they can be found here. Unfortunately, sources like WTA, ITF or Tennis Australia are not articles of press, so they don't help for admissibility in french. There are rules about tennis, that's right, but there are "Critères d'admissibilité des articles" too, and if two articles in a national journal exist, the critères can overpass the rules of tennis. Slzbg (talk) 16:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata template on the Konversation page

Hi. Could anyone fluent in wikidata fix {{wikidata}} at the Konversation article, please? The first 2 references show up with an error right now. Thank you Comte0 (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Comte0, this is a problem for many articles. See the current discussion here at Module talk:Wd. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Comte0:  Fixed; the title parameters for the references were missing on the Wikidata item. Andumé (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @I Am Andumé: ! Comte0 (talk) 08:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Theater or theatre?

So I am writing an article about a theater in Barcelona, and I am unsure which spelling I should use. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 17:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME should work. Use the name most commonly used by sources, if it's unclear what the most common is I'd say just use the name the organisation uses. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@GoldenBootWizard276 The article Barcelona uses "theatre" in three places, so that seems best. More importantly, articles should be consistent. See also WP:ENGVAR. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

To note, there are also three articles in this section that use "Teatre". CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Those are their proper names in Spanish. We should refer to those institutions by their proper name as a title, but choose which English spelling to use for descriptive prose. For example, "The Teatre Lliure is a theatre in Barcelona ..." Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's what the wikidata entry for Teatre Victòria does. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Theory Of Every Language

Hello! I recently published a page called "Theory of Every Language" which talks about a theory proposed by Albanian language enthusiast and author, Agron Dalipaj. I put every detail there, and I also put the books where he talks about this theory, on the "Reference" page. It still got denied and was put as a draft because "I didn't provide any sources" which I did put the sources. Someone help me please. Thank you!

Draft:Theory Of Every Language Andi Atdhetari (talk) 19:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Andi Atdhetari: You provided sources—that's great. But they have to be inline, like the little blue numbers you see in Wikipedia articles: The point of that is that the reader needs to know which sources verify which sentences.

Secondly, there's source reliability. Anyone can publish a book—we need to know that the sources cited are reliable, that is to say trustworthy.

Finally, there's what Wikipedia calls "notability", but a better name (I forget who came up with this) would be "already-published-about-ness". Wikipedia isn't for something someone came up with one day, it's about topic that have significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources which are independent from the subject. Right now, you've got multiple sources, I assume there's significant coverage within them, but you don't have any sources independent from the subject—you need to show that other people are talking about this idea.

Pinging the reviewer Wikishovel, in case they have anything to add. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Helloo, Andi Atdehtari. Another way to put what Cremastra said is: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Also have a look at Proto-human language. Lectonar (talk) 12:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I think that the guideline for notability of fringe theories is probably relevant here. ---- D'n'B-t -- 16:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle languages

I noticed that the Twinkle automated system for non-English welcomes does not support some languages for which we have a template, such as Italian and Hindi. Can this be fixed? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 20:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Try requesting the addition of the missing templates either at WT:Twinkle, or at Twinkle's GitHub page Andumé (talk) 00:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@I Am Andumé Thanks 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 11:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

History

It is made up of 28 states and 8 union territories and its national capital is new delhi 197.90.65.250 (talk) 21:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 57.140.16.57 (talk) 21:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Deepika Padukone 197.90.65.250 (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again IP editor. Have you a question about editing the article Deepika Padukone? ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I suspect the answer you are looking for is India. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

create a page

hi there. i want to create a page of translation. its the english version of masjedsoleyman municipality. this personal draft is the translated version and i want somebody with permission create this page or give me permission to create pages.

thanks AMIR 121 (talk) 23:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@AMIR 121: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you believe it's ready to be moved to articlespace, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page so that an articles for creation reviewer can take a look at it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

AMIR 121, when you think it's ready, add {{Subst:Submit}} to the top of it. NB it's not ready now: (i) perhaps I'm stupider than the average reader, but I had to read quite some way before understanding that this is about a place in Iran; (ii) it confuses two year-numbering systems; (iii) it presents a lot of information that lacks references; and (perhaps most importantly) (iv) if this is an organization that runs Masjed Soleyman (and does little more), then it's not at all clear to me why the draft can't be stripped of relative trivia, greatly abridged, summarized, and added within the article Masjed Soleyman. -- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

i just edit the dates in article. and its better to have a seperate page fpr municiality or i can add this to the original page of masjedsoleyman city ??? AMIR 121 (talk) 07:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

AMIR 121, both "city" and "municipality" have a wide range of meanings. I don't know how these terms differ in the context of Iran. Perhaps most of the people reading this ("Teahouse") page don't know either. Wait a couple of days to see if anyone who's knowledgable makes an informed comment here. If no such comments come, perhaps ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

fair use question

The article on the painter Laura Knight has a fair use image of Self Portrait with Nude, which also has an article, but no image. File:Self-Portrait with a Nude by Dame Laura Knight.jpg Can the image be used twice or should it be moved from Laura Knight to Self Portrait with Nude? courtesy ping to Crisco 1492 so no toes are stepped on. Thanks for any advice or opinion of policy. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

WomenArtistUpdates, it can be used twice. Each use must be specified, and argued for, on the page File:Self-Portrait with a Nude by Dame Laura Knight.jpg. Arguing for its inclusion within the article Self Portrait with Nude should be a doddle. (The argument for its inclusion in the article Laura Knight could perhaps be fortified somewhat.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary! Could you possibly point me to a fair use image used twice for me to use as an example? Not quite sure how I would do as you suggest. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @WomenArtistUpdates, here is an example of a non-free, image used in two different articles, with two different non-free "fair use" rationales.File:Tina Bell, grunge musician from Seattle.jpg Hope that helps! Netherzone (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks Netherzone! --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: Just to expand on what's been posted above, while it's true that non-free use content be used multiple times as long as each use satisfies all ten of the non-free content use criteria listed here, a single use of non-free content is already considered to be quite an exception to WP:COPY#Guidelines for images and other media use which means each additional use is going to be considered to be even more of an exception. Since part of the non-free content use policy requires us to try and minimize non-free use as much as we can, it is generally preferred per item 6 of WP:NFC#UUI to use the image where it is most encyclopedically relevant and then use alternative ways (e.g. wikilinks and hatnotes) to connect references to that image in other pages to the primary page. So, in this case, the main use of the file would be in Self Portrait with Nude since that is about the work in question and the image should most definitely be used there; this, however, makes the other use in Laura Knight not as encyclopedically necessary as before and changes the justification for that particular use. In other words, simply linking that section to the article about the work is probably more than sufficient per WP:FREER.

Now having posted that, you might want to ask about the copyright status of this particular painting at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright because there's a good chance that this painting has already entered into the public domain given its age and might no longer need to be licensed as non-free content even though the National Portrait Gallery might be claiming copyright ownership over the painting. For some background on this, you might want to take a look at National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute. Commons policy is pretty much to ignore the claim being made by the NPG when it comes to copyright claims of older works and instead treat them as public domain.

Finally, it best to try to avoid confusing fair use (fair dealing) and non-free content use when discussing this type of thing on Wikipedia. Although Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is based on fair use (fair dealing), it's been set up to be much stricter with its own set of criteria. Everything used as non-free content almost certain meets the conditions for fair use (fair dealing), the same cannot be said moving in the other direction. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

there's a good chance that this painting has already entered into the public domain given its age Given that Laura Knight was a British artist and died in 1970 it is certainly still in copyright in the UK, and therefore not public domain for Wikimedia Commons' purposes (which requires works to be PD in the source country and the US).

However, it's quite possible that it is PD in the US, in which case it could be uploaded to en.wikipedia – WP:Media copyright questions is probably the best plast to ask about that. The question comes down to whether the painting was "published" before 1929 – if you can find a book or exhibition catalogue from before that time where a picture of the painting was included, then that definitely counts; if you can prove it was exhibited to the general public before 1929 then I believe that also counts as publication. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

WomenArtistUpdates, I don't retract anything that I wrote, but Marchjuly's explanation is far superior and is what I might have written had I been more thoughtful and energetic. -- Hoary (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Caeciliusinhorto-public Hoary Marchjuly and Netherzone, Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I will be BOLD and err on the side of respecting intellectual property. My opinion is that the painting does not fall into PD, even if it was first painted in 1913. It hasn't really "published" and I believe the estate retains the copyright. I will not pursue putting it on the Commons. Also I see that one CAN use an image twice, but really SHOULD only use it the least amount of times. The image will now be one click away from the Laura Knight article. I have revised the rational on File:Self-Portrait with a Nude by Dame Laura Knight.jpg Always happy to have another set of eyes on that. Thanks again. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

What to look for when editing Articles?

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and want to contribute in the correct manner. I would really appreciate advice on how to contribute and make successful edits on articles/pages. What signs or tips do we look for in articles when editing is prompted? Qb1Coach (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

You've made a promising start, Qb1Coach. However, if a cited web page fails to verify the assertion(s) that it immediately follows, better to start by checking (via the Wayback Machine) whether an earlier version does do the job. If it does, change the reference to point to that earlier version; if it does not, use the "Failed verification" template, at least for the short term. Or of course you can google for an alternative, solid source for the assertion(s), and cite that (or those) instead of the dud web page. -- Hoary (talk) 04:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Best practices for addressing an ill-advised "undo"?

I'm puzzled, because someone randomly undid an edit that was perfectly good, rather than editing constructively to make the page better. Then the person left the blunt comment, "Not an improvement." I think they may not realize that I created the whole page, either... the person might have thought I was just a casual editor who did something they didn't like, but even then "undo" was not called for. The person simply could have edited it to their liking.

I found this page, Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary, that describes how I feel about being reverted unnecessarily. My first impulse was to click "undo," but that could seem either childish or as though I felt ownership over the page, which I absolutely do not. I'm happy to gift it to Wikipedia forever, and leave it to other editors to improve, but what that particular editor did felt like a flip off. I also checked that person's talk page and saw that they have been banned in the past (plagiarism), but then got un-banned.

Thoughts? Suggestions? What are best practices for addressing this? I feel that I should not let this person's "undo" and "Not an improvement" stand, but I don't want to commit more sin than I am calling out. And I certainly don't want to provoke anyone. I'm a peace activist. Fortunaa (talk) 01:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Fortunaa: Best practice is to follow WP:BRD and discuss it with the other editor on the article's talk page. You were bold and made an edit, the other editor reverted, next step is discussion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, this is perfect. I will go do that now. Fortunaa (talk) 01:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

When looking for references while editing

Where is a reliable search engine we should usually use when we do our research? Wikipedia itself, google, etc.? Qb1Coach (talk) 02:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

An easy one is Google News, Apple News, or some other news aggregator, which will bring up a lot of sources. It's important that for a Wikipedia article these be reliable though. You can visit WP:RSP for a database of some commonly discussed reliable/unreliable sources. If you can't find it there, ask another editor, or trust your judgement of a source and WP:BEBOLD and use it. TLA^tlak 02:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Google Scholar is also a useful resource. Once you have 500 edits and your account is 6 months old, you can access WP:The Wikipedia Library, where you can access normally-paid resources for free. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I also like the Internet Archive at archive.org. They scan a lot of free books, including recent ones, and they're a great resource for out-of-copyright stuff. They aren't super user-friendly, though, so you have to know to choose the section option, "search text contents," for most searches after you put something in. And putting quote marks around specific words and phrases is helpful if you want to make sure you only get (for example) "Beverly Hills" and not every appearance of the word hills.

Other great archives are loc.gov (US Library of Congress), and hathitrust.org (a big, full-text database of older material).Fortunaa (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Qb1Coach: it gladdens my heart to see a new editor taking the need for good sources so seriously! Another resource I have found helpful is my local library. They have access to resources beyond what we mere mortals can do...--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

For when you're just looking for more recent information or sources, just searching for keywords and sorting by a time frame is pretty useful. For example, when I look for newer sources for 2020–2022 catalytic converter theft ring I just search up "catalytic converter theft ring" on Google, hit news and go to "Tools" and search by time.

It may seem obvious to some, but I didn't actually realise you could sort by time frames before Wikipedia.

As another useful tip, when you come across a paywalled source, use archive.is. If you archive the page through that it'll bypass it. That also works for stuff that's region locked, like if you're in Europe and are trying to access some US news sources. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Oooh... I've tried this on archive.org but it doesn't work. I'll try it at archive.ph/.is/.today next time. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 21:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

BHL is useful for anything biology-related. Cremastra (talk) 21:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Manticore anti Islam

In 1900 Muslims only numbered 200 million followers or 12% of the world population. This percentage drastically increased over the last 100 years due to higher birth rate in Muslim majority countries. Pew Research have estimated the number will be around 2.2 billion in 2030 and 2.8 billion, or 30 percent of world population, in 2050.

In Muslim world article user Manticore had deleted this sentences with different reason. First he claimed it was out of topic, poor written (it could targetted non English contributors), and wikipedia not a Crystal Glass (but in Religion Growth Population had cited Pew Research estimated). Please help to improve Muslim world article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.121.18.126 (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions on how to edit Wikipedia. If you have suggestions on how to improve an article, but make them on the article talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The article Muslim world already has references for population and percent of world population in 2020. Predictions for the future are not warranted. The fact that editor Manticore deleted that text and reference is not anti-Islam. There is a population discussion on the Talk page of the article, which is the proper place. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

References

IP trouble

I have discovered that my Cellular IP address has ben blocked. At first i thought my whole account had been wrongfully blocked, however i soon discovered it was only my cellular ip that had bern blocked, (I manly use my phone). Anyways, thinking that my whole account was blocked, i filled out a ticket appeal, only after i filled it out and switched to my internet wifi, did i find out it was only my cellular. My question for whoever responds to this, is should i remove the appeal, (if it’s even possible), or should i leave the appeal up, in the hopes that my cellular ip will be unblocked. BigRed606 (talk) 06:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@BigRed606: Where is this appeal posted? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

How to create English page for a existed Chinese page?

The Chinese page existed already, I just want to add the option of English content but can't find the way. The English content is simply the direct translation of the exisiting Chinese content. Why is there a problem of creditibility, if the Chinese content is good to publish? So do all other celebrities pages now published? I hope you can provide useful link for immediate editing or correction, but not direct user to guideline reading and reading. Thank you!

Page concerned: https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/%E6%BD%98%E5%AE%87%E8%AC%99 Paksiu (talk) 10:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paksiu If your Draft:Poon Yu Him, Anson was a direct translation from the Chinese article you have linked (which I can't confirm since I don't speak Chinese), then you have made the mistake of assuming that the English Wikipedia works to the same rules as the Chinese-language WIkipedia: it doesn't! In particular, for biographies of living people it is mandatory here to provide inline citations to all facts likely to be disputed, even simple things like date of birth. Your draft has no citations at all, so no way for anyone to verify that what is stated is backed up by reliable sources. Please read carefully all the policy pages I have linked. Finally, if your draft is a simple translation, you must credit its source as being the Chinese version: see WP:TRANSLATE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I speak Chinese and I can confirm that the draft is a partial direct translation of some sections of the Chinese version. However, the Chinese version cites multiple sources inline and links to other articles, while the English draft doesn't. CanonNi (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Small letters in references

Hello. I was wondering why some references have small superscripted letters after the ^ character, such as "a b" or "a b c". Thank you. Grammarius (talk) 10:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Grammarius and welcome to the Teahouse. The letters indicate that the reference has been used multiple times in the article. CanonNi (talk) 10:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I was wondering what are some examples of Reliable sources for an article? Bally125 (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bally125 As a start, see WP:RSPS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Grammarius. As CanonNi, says, these are multiple uses of the reference, and are genrated automatically when named references are used. ColinFine (talk) 11:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grammarius: Each letter links to a place the reference is used. If it's only used once then there is no need for this and the link is on the ^ character. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Free Licensed Images

Heyo! I just wanted to ask how you license an image for free. How do I take an image I own and then release it under a license? There doesn't seem to be an answer with one Google search

Thanks, y'all!

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@MarinaTheRanger Assuming "I own" means you actually have the copyright, like with a photo you have taken yourself, start here: Upload Wizard. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! And yes, by 'own', I mean a picture I took myself.

Many thanks from the Ranger from the Sea~!

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 16:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Issue using an image from Russian Wikimedia

I have discovered an image on Wikimedia in Russian (Шпильки обложка.jpg - link here) that I wanted to add to an article (Szpilki). However, when I have tried to include it in the infobox it seems that it doesn't recognise the file. Not sure what the issue is - can anyone help?! Wikociewie (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Much like English Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia can use images from Wikimedia Commons, but Wikimedia Commons cannot use images from Russian Wikipedia. The file seems to have been added there under a non-free use case. As to which is being used here, I'm not sure, but the use cases would be similar here on EnWiki. Please see the non-free content criteria for more info. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information - very helpful! Wikociewie (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wikociewie That is a non-free image. I assume you want to use it as leadimage at Szpilki, which should be fine. You have to upload it locally on en-WP. Go to WP:FUW and choose "Upload a non-free file". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Great I've now uploaded it - thank you for your help! Wikociewie (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Are National Weather Service broadcasts Public Domain?

Since I've been harassed all day, I'll go here. Are National ,Weather Service EAS broadcasts (including the tone) copyrighted? I know the tone isn't, since I've seen it on other articles. I have an alert from yesterday's outbreak, but I want to clarify that it is PD before uploading it. Thanks! :) MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 See "Licensing" at [1]. If that applies to "broadcasts" idk. Commons:Help desk might be a good place to ask. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MemeGod27, and welcome to the Teahouse. https://www.weather.gov/disclaimer says The information on National Weather Service (NWS) Web pages are in the public domain, unless specifically noted otherwise, and may be used without charge for any lawful purpose so long as you do not: 1) claim it is your own (e.g., by claiming copyright for NWS information -- see below), 2) use it in a manner that implies an endorsement or affiliation with NOAA/NWS, or 3) modify its content and then present it as official government material. So, unless EAS broadcasts (whatever they are) are specifically excluded, you can use them. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The upload doesn't seem to be working, it says that it "Couldn't be verified". How can I fix that (if possible)? MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I have to request MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Where to get help with tables?

Sorry I'm back so quickly, but this kinda goes with the above question. Where would I go to request help with a table? That's my one pet peeve when writing tornado articles, the tables absolutely kill me every time (lol). MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

This is fun Theshallowsboston (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

? MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27: Welcome to the Teahouse. Does Help:Table have the answers you're looking for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Yea, a little. Tornado tables are very challenging, so it does help, but doesn't cover the topic I was looking for. MemeGod ._. (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27: You're not going to get much help unless you can be more specific. What topic are you looking for? What are "Tornado tables"? Which article(s) are you having problems with? Bazza 7 (talk) 19:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Based on editing history, it may be related to Draft:Tornado_outbreak_of_April_2,_2024 RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

It is. Basically, a tornado outbreak table is a table with individual tornadoes, that has the EF rating, the location, coordinates, a description, damage, and wind speeds. For a good example, see Tornado outbreak of March 13-15, 2024, and scroll down to "Confirmed Tornadoes". It's probably the best visual representation I give you. MemeGod ._. (talk) 19:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

And the draft I am having problems is in fact Draft:Tornado outbreak of April 2, 2024. I mainly just need help adding themMemeGod ._. (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

You could just lift the source code from that page and edit the values to your liking. If you end up doing that, you may want to attribute appropriately by linking to the page you took the code from just to be safe. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27: I've added some information to your talk page. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Newcomer Writing His First Wiki Page

Hi,

This is my first time in the Teahouse. I've been thinking to write/correct some articles. I have this hesitation to not write anything. How did you overcome this problem in your early wikipedia days? Knowledgeelephant (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you really do get over that hesitation as you're always learning new stuff on Wikipedia, but there are things that will at least make you feel more confident. We don't often recommend making your first article as your 7th edit after all.

What we do recommend however is that you head over to the task hub, where you can find such things as citation hunting. Citation hunting will teach you how to do quite possibly the most important thing on Wikipedia, how to cite things and what to use as citations. WP:RS, WP:RSP and WP:CITE will come in handy for this.

Another thing that'll help you for when you're feeling ready to start an article is WP:BACKWARDS. This is why I suggest that you do citation hunting early into your career, so you know that working backwards is an absolutely terrible idea and will only result in hours of work getting canned. This is a very common trap for new editors.

As for thinking about correcting articles, first, citation hunting. Good stuff. Second, be bold. The worst that could happen is that your edits get reverted or you get trouted, so what? Most editors experience either of these things at least once, it's almost like a rite of passage.

Another thing you can do as the step between making corrections to articles and making your own articles is to find a WikiProject that you like the look of, then find their start or stub class articles. These are the lowest rungs on Wikipedia's ratings ladder, and are in need of a lovely editor such as yourself to fix them. Find yourself a start or a stub to adopt, then get to work improving it.

Just as an aside, Wikipedia also has a Discord server, so if you're looking for some quick help you can always head there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Knowledgeelephant You may be interested in reading the "interviews" with experienced editors about their early experiences, now collected at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Questions about creating new article

Hi, I want to create a new article for an upcoming movie is there an easy way to create it? If there are steps, what should I do for that new article to be created? I've never created an article on Wikipedia before so I'm very confused Thanks again TurtleStar00 (talk) 20:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I'd recommend taking a look at Your first article and then, if appropriate, creating the article at Articles for Creation. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 21:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated TurtleStar00 (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TurtleStar00, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that there really is no easy way to create a new article. This is not because somebody has decided it should be difficult, or because nobody has put any effort into providing a quick method: it's because Wikipedia nowadays has high standards for its articles, and meeting those standards takes skills that are not particularly relevant to most other kinds of writing. (Note that many older articles do not meet these standards, but nobody has been back to improve or delete them: see other stuff exists).

The absolute first step in creating an article is to find the independent reliable sources : which are a non-negotiable requirement to establish that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's sense. Dozens of people every day try to create articles without doing this first: in most cases, the subject is not in fact notable, and every single second they spend on their doomed attempt is effort wasted.

It is unlikely (though not impossible) that enough independent material has been published yet about an upcoming movie: see CRYSTAL. ColinFine (talk) 23:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I add a picture or image in an existing article? TurtleStar00 (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Check out this tutorial. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 22:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

May I have some advice on a draft I'm making?

Hello, I'm making a draft and it's one of my first times so I want to ask, do you think this draft has what it takes to be a stub article for now at least? I'm new here so any advice would be great for me! Thanks a bunch, I'll link the draft here: Draft:Sidi_Bishr_Mosque. Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 23:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Moe the Alexandrian, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see the reply I have just given to the item above this, #Questions about creating a new article. It doesn't look to me as if many of the sources you have found meet the requirements in golden rule, and if they don't they will not contribute to establishing that the mosque meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 23:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability of the play God of Vengeance

Hello! Before I start writing an article, I want to see if it's notable. Currently, the wiki link for God of Vengeance redirects to its author, Sholem Asch. I think the play is significant primarily because of its performance in English: the cast were charged and convicted (but won on appeal) in 1923 for obscenity, as it featured the first lesbian kiss on Broadway, and also banned in London in 1946. It also has a related play with its own article, Indecent (play). I am, admittedly, having a bit of trouble finding coverage. There are several NYT articles, and this, but given the debacle about its US staging, I feel like maybe I'm just not looking in the right place? Since Google has gone seriously downhill in terms of its ability to search, I'm just... not sure where to go next. Quadriporticus (talk) 01:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe newspapers.com? Some of the things you found look decent. TLA^tlak 01:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Not all of your references need to be on the Internet. Can you find good reference books that mention the play? Can you find old newspaper articles on microfilm at a public or college library? Start collecting what you can find on God of Vengeance. If you come to a dead end put the project aside for a time, and come back to it a little later. Perhaps you could find enough to add a paragraph to the Sholem Asch article, and later on a separate article about the play can be possible. Take your time, read over Help:Your first article, Help:Referencing for beginners andWikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and remind yourself you have all the time in the world to decide if a notable article is possible. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Quadriporticus Consider digging for sources at [2]. With books like [3], I don't think WP:N is a problem here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Scrolling table, frozen headings

Hello, can tables which have many columns, or rows, be configured to scroll? And how about freezing headings, like a spreadsheet?

I could not see an option in Help:Table, I experimented with vertical header, it helps a bit but isn't always good to look at. I imagine that it may not be possible due to the compexity of cross platform/browser support. Thanks--12think (talk) 04:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@12think: What you want is called the {{Sticky header}}, if I understand right. RudolfRed (talk) 04:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks it worked great :-) I couldn't see template for a sticky 1st column, but it doesn't it matter too much, this has helped a lot. Thank you. 12think (talk) 06:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

If you just want to have sticky headers for your own convenience, there is a gadget: go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, scroll down to Testing and development, and tick 'Make headers of tables display as long as the table is in view, i.e. "sticky" (requires Chrome v91+, Firefox v59+, or Safari)'. This will affect every table that you browse, but will not change it for other readers. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 09:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Who can tell me what this article needs and why it was declined?

Hello, I'm Random Wikishow!

I wonder why this article was rejected. Is there a fixed grammar error in this article or the references are unreliable? Tell me, please. Random Wikishow (talk) 06:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Random Wikishow and welcome to the Teahouse. You have created multiple article drafts. Could you specify which one you are talking about? CanonNi (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CanonNi. I am talking about "Draft:Institute of Good Manufacturing Practices India (IGMPI)".

There is another one I created, and I was talking about a Somali journalist called Draft:Abdiaziz Ali, all his information was deleted, and I don't understand why. Random Wikishow (talk) 06:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Random Wikishow. Looking at your IGMPI draft, I can see that you have made all the same mistakes as hundreds of other people do who plunge into the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent time learning about how Wikipedia works. If you were starting to learn engineering, would you make your first project to build a car from scratch? If you took up a musical instrument, would you arrange a public recital as the first thing you did? No, you would practise on less demanding projects while you learnt the craft.
I would very strongly advise you that you will save yourself a great deal of frustration and disappointment if you forget about creating a new article for several months, while you gradually learn about how Wikipedia works (and most particularly about Verifiability, reliable sources, and Neutral point of view) by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles..

Looking at the list of references, it doesn't look to me as if a single one meets the criteria for a reliable, independent sources with significant coverage of the subject, and therefore not only do they fail to show that the Institute meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, but most of them add nothing whatever to the draft. The purpose of a citation in a Wikipedia article is to verify a claim in the draft, nothing else; and the great majority of such citations should be to sources wholly unconnected with the subject. ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Institute of Good Manufacturing Practices India (IGMPI) is written in corporate-marketing-speak (which I suppose ChatGPT and the like can churn out with ease). Sample: IGMPI is at the forefront of technological advancements and has earned recognition as a robust and superior provider of education and training platforms for professionals and students in GMP, Quality Assurance and Control, Pharma, Food & Nutrition, (followed by a lot of others, somewhat Trumpishly capitalized). The body text of Draft:Abdiaziz Ali reads: Abdiaziz Ali is a Somali journalist known for his work for Somali Inside News. Abdiaziz Ali was born in Mogadishu, Somalia. That's it. That's all. Well, if he's known for his work, then reliable sources (of course unrelated to Abdiaziz Ali) will have written about it. What have they written, and where have they written it? -- Hoary (talk) 07:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

A note: those two drafts were Declined, not Rejected. The second would have meant that the reviewer saw no potential in the topic/content succeeding as an article. David notMD (talk) 09:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

American Wiki Editors

Please help me. American Wiki Editors took my large sum of money and disappeared after promising me to put a wiki page. Nothing happened even after passing one year. American Wiki Editors do not exist anymore. Please help me what shall do? Are there any genuine wiki editors who could potentially put my profile back on Wikipage. Daichoo (talk) 07:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Daichoo, unfortunately it sounds as if you have been scammed. People do not 'have profiles' on Wikipedia – encyclopedia articles are written by volunteers when someone meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, which generally require that multiple people unconnected to the subject have written significant amounts about the person, without having been fed information by that person. If you do not meet those criteria, then unfortunately there is no way to have a Wikipedia article written about you. All offers to get a Wikipedia article about you written and published for a fee are at best misguided, and more often scams. Tollens (talk) 07:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

For your information, Wikipedia has articles, not profiles. The distinction is that articles about people call for indepedent, published references that verify the facts which make a person Wikipedia-notable. If you truly believe that you are so famous/notable that people with no connection to you have written about you, then you could try using WP:YFA to create a draft about yourself, even though Wikipedia strongly advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO). David notMD (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You could possibly report them to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org with a copy of the email. We won't be able to recover the money but other people could be protected from the same thing happening to them. Industrial Insect (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Stories like this one make me think that scammers should be treated like traitors were in England in times of old; on the other hand, I do also wonder at the gullibility of (some) victims... Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Citing FOI responses.

Hello, I am looking to add the Axle Loadings and Route Availablity of a train that operates in the UK. These details come from both a written response and partially redacted documents that were released under a FOI request. The written response and documents are both hosted at https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/axle_weight_limits_in_the_anglia if that is of any use?

Thank you in advance. Louisp52 (talk) 09:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

That's an interesting question. Generally such sources are not regarded as published, and cannot be used; but the question is whether WhatDoTheyKnow counts as a) a publisher, and b) a reliable publisher.

The best place to ask about this is on the Reliable sources noticeboard; but searching the archives of that board, I find this discussion from 2021, which seemed to accept WDTK as a reliable primary source. ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance on Editing Concerns and Website Citation Issue

Dear Wikipedia Teahouse Team,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently embarked on contributing to Wikipedia, aiming to enhance articles with relevant and insightful information. I’m querying about a recent warning that I received in Wikipedia. I had only been a few days as an editor on wikipedia and I was just teaching myself as I go, and I dived in making edits and additions aiming to reach a personal goal of 100 edits to be in the top 1%.

Suddenly, I received a warning that I had been linking and citing too much to one site that I’ve been a longtime fan of and that has given me a lot of inspiration and then suddenly my additions were reverted. I have also made edits citing other online publications like The Guardian, www.themarginalian.org…but for my first wikipedia edits I’d found it faster and easier to find, scan and cite articles from www.creativeprocess.info that I particularly found interesting since they are a reliable source of primary source interviews and all the biographical information of the guest is concentrated in one place at the top of their articles. (This is probably a little lazy on my part.)

I had planned to cycle through my favorite publications (New York Times, The New Yorker, The Paris Review, The Guardian) in blocks of ten, adding citations, although most of my favorite sites and substacks have paywalls making them harder to cite or access for wikipedia readers who aren’t subscribers.

I’m sorry for any confusion but now I've become aware of the protocols. What should I do next?

I believed I was adding information that was germane and not previously included on the pages, as I had received notifications to keep going when I did ten edits and a thank you from a wikipedia editor on my edit of True Detective: Night Country and took that as a signal to go on with what I was doing. I only received one warning about citing one publication too much, and as soon as I saw the warning I stopped adding edits. I fully understand if my own edits are reverted because I was excited by the wikipedia process and in the beginning relying mainly on one source and may be biased since it’s a publication/podcast I’m familiar with and enjoy. I am reaching out to clarify the steps I can take to rectify the situation, to enquire about the nature of the block and to inquire if it’s a permanent measure or if there's a possibility for reassessment?

I wouldn’t like for my initial over-eagerness to revert or delete other editors’ work, especially if theirs provided germane information to other wikipedia pages. I appreciate your feedback on my editing. I aim to take a slower approach to wikipedia going forward. Thanks for helping me out! Lifelong learner837 (talk) 10:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You have not been blocked, you have simply had your efforts reverted. Using podcasts and stuff of that ilk as well as primary sources is generally ill-advised. Please see WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:RSP.

What I'd advise in the future is that, when you're looking to add to an article, use Google and filter by news, it'll be just under the search bar. That way you'll be able to find far more useable content.

As for paywalls, look up archive.is. You can archive sources with that that would otherwise be paywalled or region locked so that anyone can see them. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Referencing

i need to learn more on referencing

'Mafetana' (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Some easy ways to learn how to cite things and what to cite are to read up on WP:CITE, WP:RS, WP:RSP and WP:OR. Another good way to learn how to cite is to learn while doing, so you can head over to citation hunting. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Practice in your own Sandbox, pasting to article only when satisfied. That way your errors are not seen as edit after edit after edit on an article's View history. David notMD (talk) 13:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft and edition

Good afternoon,

I left a draft 2 months and a half ago about the history of Brunsviga. I could see there were so many topics that the delay needed to ckeck the draft could last 2 monthes (even more). Do you know how long it can take ?

thank you very much for your answer. Best regards Thémisté (talk) 12:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello amd welcome. There is no way to give you a specific timeframe for a review. It could be 5 minutes, or three months from now. Reviews are conducted in no particular order by volunteers. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Just on a quick check I can see several pieces of text that have not been cited and citations placed prior to punctuation (so a citation before a full stop, stuff like that). The prior is an issue that could prevent your draft from being accepted, the latter is a smaller issue that means you probably need to look at the instructions for citations.

As for how long your draft could take to get a review, you could be waiting for the next week or the next couple months. Volunteers get to them when they get to them. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Question about weird page in the Special: namespace

I know this is not related to editing Wikipedia, but I'm still curious about it.

While randomly browsing through the Special: namespace, I found this page that goes by the name of Special:LockDB. I clicked on it but the following text appeared:

You do not have permission to lock or unlock the database, for the following reason:

You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested.

I don't know what this means, but it seems like this is a "command page" (like, for example, the block page) which is used for locking/unlocking some kind of "database".

Now, I have no idea what this "database" is, but it seems quite important. It may also be why it's called Special:LockDB as I think the DB stands for DataBase.

Admins, please note: This seems like a page that could cause very serious after-effects on the encyclopaedia. I would recommend being careful when visiting the page.

Okay. Now that you're done reading, you can find the page here. Again, be careful. I hope to get a response soon. Usersnipedname (nag me/stalk me) 13:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! I don't know what this is either. Maybe an admin can light us on? Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Usersnipedname and Cocobb8: you can read more about this at mw:Manual:Lock_the_database. It basically would put Wikipedia as a whole into read-only mode, but the siteadmin permission required to use it isn't granted to anyone. In short: it's nothing to worry about, as it can't be used. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

In that case, though, there's no point in keeping the page if everyone gets an error message when visiting it. Usersnipedname (nag me/stalk me) 16:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, do you know if visiting the page will instantly lock the database or clicking buttons will be needed to do the trick? And why would anyone need to use this? Usersnipedname (nag me/stalk me) 16:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Usernipedname. The clue is in where the documentation page is that Writ Keeper pointed you at: it's not a Wikipedia facility, it's a Mediawiki facility - that is, the software that Wikipedia runs on. There are thousands and thousands of wikis in the world running this software, many of them private to companies and organisations, and that is a facility that site admins may need. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

And I would add: Hopefully only in such contexts as (e.g.) making a snapshot for a backup... Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 17:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

👍 Usersnipedname (nag me/stalk me) 17:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Are restrictions applied to new accounts?

I made a few edits after creating my account, but it looks like most of them were erased shortly afterwards. Do new accounts have restrictions on editing capabilities? La Dessalinienne (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see the history section of the pages you edited, on Pétion-Ville your edits were reverted for entering "too many problems introduced and close paraphrasing of websites" and on Delmas, Haiti your edits were reverted for adding unsourced content.

All content added to articles on Wikipedia requires citations from reliable, WP:SECONDARY secondary sources. Tagging @Bbb23 as they reverted your edits. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Should you add honorifics in Biographical articles?

I'm writing an article on a Japanese composer, however, I am not sure if I should use the Japanese honorifics (ie. -san), or if I shouldn't. Imoutofchoices (talk) 16:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Imoutofchoices - basically, no, please do not use honorifics. Please see MOS:HONORIFIC for the details - Arjayay (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Setting up Wiki page for Robert d'Entremont - Please help thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_d%27Entremont&action=edit&redlink=1

I am working on setting up my wiki page but im having issues. this is what I would like to add

draft autobiography

Robert d'Entremont is a Canadian actor known for his work in both theater and television. He is currently portraying the character Keifer in the upcoming Apple TV project The Last Frontier. Born December 1st 1990, d'Entremont has established himself as a versatile actor with a range of performances across various mediums. Early Life and Education Robert d'Entremont's passion for acting was ignited during a high school improv competition, where he won the People's Choice award in 2007. He continued to pursue his interest in performing arts and in 2008, d'Entremont portrayed Tybalt in the regional French musical Romeo et Juliette at Th'Yarc Theatre in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. After completing high school, d'Entremont was accepted into Concordia University's Theatre Performance program, where he honed his skills as an actor. He appeared in numerous productions during his time at Concordia, showcasing his talent and dedication to the craft. Upon earning his Bachelor of Fine Arts degree, d'Entremont furthered his training at the Tom Todoroff Acting Conservatory in New York City, where he expanded his repertoire with performances in off-Broadway plays at the New Comedy Theatre. Career Robert d'Entremont's career spans across theater, television, and film. He has accumulated over 20 IMDb credits, showcasing his versatility and range as an actor. Notable television appearances include roles in Patrice Lemieux 24/7, 30 vies, Mensonges, and Un tueur si proche. In addition to his television work, d'Entremont has starred in films such as Seasoned with Love, Maz, Midway, and the critically acclaimed Les Rois Mongols. In 2016, d'Entremont ventured into writing and producing his own content with the creation of the web series OPEN. The series, which he shot entirely from his iPhone, highlights d'Entremont's multifaceted talents as a writer, producer, director, and actor. Advocacy As an openly gay individual, Robert d'Entremont is dedicated to using his platform to support and advocate for the LGBTQ+ community. He is actively involved in projects funded by the Jasmin Roy Foundation, an organization focused on combatting discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals in the workplace.

Rld33694 (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RTld33694, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, like many people, you have some fundamental misunderstandings about what Wikipedia is. We do not "set up pages" here, as though it were social media: we "write encyclopaedia articles", which summarise what independent reliable sources say about a subject.

If there is enough independent reliably published material about you to establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about you.

However, you are strongly discouraged from trying to write it yourself. If there is an article about you, whoever writes it, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not be for your benefit except incidentally, and it will not necessarily say what you want it to say: please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. It will based on what people wholly unconnected with you have published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say.

Beyond that, I would point out that we delete or decline dozens of attempted articles every day (not all of them attempted autobiographies), when the editors have plunged into the challenging task of creating a new article without first having learnt how Wikipedia works.

My advice to you is

1. Forget about writing an autobiography. If you are notable (in Wikipedia's sense) somebody will eventually write an article about you.
2. If you want to be part of creating this great cooperative resource, spend some months improving existing articles, and learning about Wikipedia's principles.
3. Then, if there is a subject not covered on which you do not have a conflict of interest, read your first article and try creating a draft.

ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

One more point - you have written your autobiography on your user page: this is not appropriate. A user page is a place for sharing information about you as a Wikipedia editor. A limited amount of biographical information is acceptable, but it must not appear to be trying to be an article. See UPYES. ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Uploading Front Cover of Book

There used to be an "Upload" button but it has disappeared.

Am I allowed to upload image of such a front cover? ----MountVic127 (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MountVic127.

You can usually use an image of a book cover in an article about that book (but not usually elsewhere). Please read WP:NFCC carefully, and work out precisely what is the justification for using that non-free image (I'm assuming that the cover is non-free: they usually are).

Then you can upload it to Wikipedia (not to Commons) using the WP:Upload wizard, picking "upload a non-free file" and giving the justification as you go through the process. ColinFine (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Visual Editing vs Source Editing

Dear Wikipedians,

I have a fair amount of edits, and almost all of them are in the Visual Editor. What is the difference between the Visual Editor and the Source Editor? Is one more powerful/superior than the other? Is there a reason to use one over the other?

Sincerely,

MekuMeku216 MekuMeku216 (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Whichever one you prefer. I use both equally. Cremastra (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Friend Hello,

So basically the visual editor tool works like front-end tool,where you don't always needs to put code and very simple for non-programmer or somebody who is not aware of coding.

However the source editor tool required to put back-end infos like coding languages and signs like "{{<<" and that's what makes all the difference.

Have a nice day.KEmel49 (talk) 20:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MekuMeku216. Both editors do the same job, but they approach it in different ways. The Visual Editor is much newer, and people who are used to WYSIWYG interfaces tend to prefer it, whereas people (like me) who have been editing Wikipedia for many years often prefer the source editor.

There are some rather specialised operations which the Visual Editor cannot do, or cannot do properly, so occasionally you need to go into the Source Editor; but for most editing, either is equally good. ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@MekuMeku216: Welcome to the Teahouse! I find the VisualEditor makes it easier for some things such as updating tables as easily as in Excel and moving images via drag and drop. Some of its limitations are listed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor. GoingBatty (talk) 02:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

MekuMeku216, here is my opinion: The source editor is fully functional, highly flexible and not at all difficult to learn. Just spend 15 minutes reading WP:CHEATSHEET. The WYSIWYG Visual editor is available for those who want to make a quick, basic edit but there are any things it cannot do. Personally, I do not like software tools that are not fully functional, so I use the source editor despite not being a professional programmer. My reason is that it works very well. Cullen328 (talk) 08:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Can i get suggestion on the article

Draft:Yusuph Kileo GMako6 (talk) 20:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello GMako6 and welcome to the Teahouse. We prefer to use Wikilinks when possible, rather than URLs, and certainly more than shortened URLs.

Your draft used to have some references and now it has none.

Please see WP:your first article advice. Find suitable sources, write based only on what they say. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Note also that your text must be written from a WP:Neutral point of view (which will be easier if you are basing the whole of the content on what independent sources say about the subject). Not a single word of your "Conclusion" section belongs in a Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Creating a wikipedia for an Actor

Hello, I'd like to create a new Wikipedia page for the Actor Ras-Samuel who's currently starring in the new Planet of the Apes franchise. I notice he's the only one who doesn't have one yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Planet_of_the_Apes

How do i do it? Teamluffy (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

OP already blocked for advertising. -- Hoary (talk) 23:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

ow do we know if information on Wikipedia is true?

Like LITERALLY? Fives Collariums (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Fives Collariums and welcome to the Teahouse. All information on Wikipedia is sourced with reliable references and unsourced content may be removed at any point. CanonNi (talk) 03:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

An excellent description of Wikipedia is that it's the world's best source of sources. All content is supposed to be supported by reliable sources, which you can click on to read yourself. That way you can make your own judgment on the credibility of content. But most of it is pretty darned accurate. HiLo48 (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful information, I fully appreciate that, should I take down this question now that I've recieved an answer? Fives Collariums (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No, Fives Collariums, please leave it up. -- Hoary (talk) 03:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Answered questions will be automatically archived after 2-3 days. Please don't remove it manually. CanonNi (talk) 03:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The best way to get a consensus for a possibly controversial change of a template?

So a month ago I started a discussion on what to do with Template:Late night television in the United States in its talk page, which included what shows counted in the section, etc. I notified the relevant Wikiprojects as well. Unfortunately, only one person responded, and that's not enough to form a consensus. What else can I do to get people to join the discussion, since the new option discussed included moving the template, and that could be controversial? (Sorry if this is canvassing.) Spinixster (trout me!) 04:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Seymour Matthews

You say you cannot add my article to WIKIPEDIA until it is edited. Edited in what way? 31.185.201.102 (talk) 07:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Seymour Matthews has no sources, which is not permitted. Please read Your first article. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 07:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. If you created a Wikipedia account, it would be much easier to communicate with you. I assume that you are talking about Draft:Seymour Matthews. That draft is entirely unreferenced and cannot possibly be accepted into Wikipedia unless it is brought into compliance with Wikipedia's core content policies like Verifiability and No original research. Read and study Your first article, and comply with all of its recommendations. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2024 (UTC)