Talk:Heather Knight (educator)

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June 25, 2011 Good article nominee Listed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 5, 2011.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Heather Knight was the first woman to be selected President of Pacific Union College and the first African American woman to lead an Adventist College in North America?

Feedback[edit]

Thank you, BelloWello, for asking me to take a look. I would name the article Heather Knight, because I think she's most commonly known without the initial. It would be necessary to disambiguate from the cricket player with a hat note.

I think it is worth mentioning that she is black as the Napa Valley papers have mentioned it and readers may wonder given her Jamaican origin. Her date and place of birth would be good information to provide if available.

The article comments on her intent to improve the PUC campus facilities but does not discuss this in the context of the "Eco Village" controversy which has dominated local politics in and around Angwin in recent years.

I think that this represents a very good start on an article about a notable person in Napa County and in Seventh-day Adventist education. I am going to re-read the draft and make some more observations. Cullen328 (talk) 16:09, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Dr. Knight is probably the primary figure for Heather Knight so the hat note would probably be best. I think her ethnicity could perhaps be noted in the context of her being the first black woman to lead an Adventist college? I'm not sure if we have her date/place of birth at this point, do you have this information?
I'm not very familiar with the "eco village" controversy. I'll do my best but would appreciate it if you were to add some of that information from your local expertise. BelloWello (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Educational philosophy[edit]

The "Adventist Advantage" subsection resembles a mission statement and as written, could be characterized as promotional rather than neutral. The following material about a management book she likes also has a bit of promotional flavor, so I suggest a careful rewrite with the neutral point of view foremost in your minds.

Please don't construe my overall evaluation as negative since I am emphasizing possible improvements. I think you have made a great start, and I thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 16:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I suppose her Adventist Advantage platform could be construed as a mission statement, but I think its notable. That platform was a part of why she was chosen as President of PUC and she formulated it while provost at Andrews. A large part of her professional work is promoting that. Point taken on the book. Thanks for the comments! BelloWello (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Conversion story[edit]

Is there a conversion story that could be added? 8een4Tfor (talk) 17:34, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

There might be one somewhere, but unless its been picked up by reliable sources, I doubt that its notable. BelloWello (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Copied from article[edit]

I am copying this from the article, not because I don't think that it is encyclopedic or not noteworthy, but because I think we should include mention of her other engagements before we include this so as to not give the impression that this is her only engagement so far. BelloWello (talk) 19:58, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The Speaker's Circuit[edit]

2011

Dr. Heather Knight was a featured speaker at the annual meeting of the American Association of Colleges and Universities January 27 in San Francisco. At the networking luncheon for faculty and administrators of color, she presented her topic “Race, Gender, and the College Presidency.”[1]

PUC and the Eco Village[edit]

Speaking as a Napa County resident who remained neutral on the controversy, here's some information about the land use issues that Heather Knight has been dealing with in Angwin. Much of this content may be appropriate for the articles about Angwin, California and Pacific Union College as well:

"Pacific Union College’s board of trustees has voted to end the college’s consulting contract with Triad Communities and instead pursue opportunities for the property outside of an Ecovillage project. 'This decision comes after more than a year of careful study and consideration,' said Dr. Heather Knight, president of the college, who spent much of her first year on the job assessing the development project. 'After speaking with various community leaders and given the current economic landscape, I feel this is not the best plan for PUC right now.'"

Other sources (among many) about PUC's controversial Eco Village proposal:

Cullen328 (talk) 23:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

See also[edit]

I removed the "see also" section because all of the links there were already in the body of the article. Wikipedia practice is to link to other articles only once (or twice in a very long article). "See also" sections are for related articles that aren't already link to in the text. See WP:LAYOUT.   Will Beback  talk  07:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Heather Knight (educator)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Moray An Par (talk) 04:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    Lead is short. Consider expanding and give intro on her educational philosophies.
    "Dr Knight asserts that" – remove Dr. Per WP:HONORIFIC, this should be avoided, and subsequent mention of her name must refer to her simply as Knight.
    Pacific Union College Church is redlinked. Is it notable?
    "currently" in the first sentence is redundant. The sentence uses "is" so we'd expect, as it should be, that anything stated is current.
    I don't know if this is in the guidelines, but I'd prefer if there's no "office created" in the infobox and simply state that she's the "1st Provost of Andrews University".
    Link Jamaica.
    "colloquy or assembly" – choose one
    "Adventist College" doesn't refer to a name of a specific college. Therefore, don't capitalize college.
    How was she "responsible for over 150 academic programs, 227 full-time faculty, 3,400 students studying on the Berrien Springs campus, as well as another 4,000 students studying in Affiliation and Extension programs around the world, and a $75 million budget." Consider rewording to something like, "Over 150 programs ... was introduced during her term."
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    What about her family background? Is she born to a poor family? Is her family also in the academe.
    I'm not sure if "Affirmation of Commitment to Faith and Reason" belongs to her career. What about including it in her educational philosophy as a section.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    It'll be more preferable if opinions (support and criticism) of other educators/politicians/etc on her educational philosophies would be included.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    None.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Is this her only free picture? Have you searched Flickr for free files and asked uploaders to release them in a CC license? It'll be better if you can include one more, like Knight on her inaugural speech as president or Knight in her childhood.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
YAY! Finally a reviewer! Thanks, Moray!
  1. Will attempt to expand lead. Like I've said on previous good article nominations, this is the hardest part of article writing for me, so if an onlooker is willing to do it, I would be very appreciative.
  2. Done, sorry, must have missed it earlier when I removed those.
  3. Yes, that article is currently being worked on at WP:SDA/PUCChurch.
  4. Changed to say "who is serving as..."
  5. Done.
  6. assembly removed.
  7. I clarified it, she oversaw it. She didn't start it.
  8. I searched quite extensively, I haven't found much information about her family background.
  9. Agreed, moved.
  10. The image of her was provided by her upon request since we could find no other images. She may be willing to provide another image. Is that enough to hold up a GA review? I note that Larry Geraty passed with no images. bW 06:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome. Not having her family background and photos cannot hold its promotion. They make the article more interesting though. I'll post here my other concerns later when I get the time to review the references. Moray An Par (talk) 09:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Some more concerns[edit]

  • It'll be better if you can tell where are Oakwood University, Loma Linda University, Stanford University and Harvard University located.
  • The Spectrum Magazine citation on her installment doesn't mention any info on the attendance. "in a well-attended ceremony" may be ambiguous and speculative.
  • On citation, include location info on print publications unless the location is part of the name.
  • Ref 1 doesn't have info on publisher and accessdate.
  • Which reference mentions that she's the first black woman president of the university?
Moray An Par (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  1. Done.
  2. Removed and additional source included. I think that is in a source somewhere but I don't want to look for it and it's unnecessary.
  3. Which ones specifically? Some of them don't necessarially publish from anywhere (ie., Spectrum, I'm sure they have an address but they're people don't work in one main office)
  4. Added.
  5. The 11th one, Taking the Helm at PUC.
Thanks again! bW 04:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Minor concerns[edit]

  • Ref 10 is a dead link.
  • Remove Facebook link.
  • January 14, 2010, Dr. Norman Knight, Vespers, (mp3) link is dead.
Moray An Par (talk) 14:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  1. No its not..
  2. Where is the facebook link? Unless you're referring to the video? I understand that we don't link to their pages but is there a policy/guideline against utilizing resources from official facebook pages?
  3. Removed.
Thanks again! bW 04:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
  • That's weird. It was dead when I last checked it. Well never mind.
  • Websites that require registration to view content are very much discouraged (although we can both agree that many of us do have Facebook profiles) per WP:ELREG. It's a CNN broadcast uploaded by the College's FB page, and may be a copyright violation (since it's not theirs, and you must only upload what is yours). This is covered by WP:YT. Try finding a better link that doesn't require a log-in, and was uploaded by CNN. Try the CNN website or CNN's YouTube channel.
  • So the source says that Knight is the first black president of PUC. How about this claim that she is "the only African-American woman to lead an Adventist college in the North America"?
  • Is "Affirmation of Commitment to Faith and Reason" a proper name? A name of a position paper? College memorandum? If not, decapitalize (sorry for the neologism) succeeding words. Also, a reword to something more concise would be nice.
  • Was she involved in politics? Did she endorse any candidate? Is she a vocal supporter of any cause/bill? Moray An Par (talk) 05:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
  1. Facebook Video can be viewed without registration. I looked already, there is no other version online that I could find.
  2. The citation when it appears in the article has both. [1]
  3. Will change it, someone else titled it.
  4. Not that I know of... Just a plain academic, with really awesome hair, I might add. ;)
bW 05:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh I see. But what about its copyright status? Well then, the only thing remaining now is that and the lead. Moray An Par (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Closing[edit]

It's been almost a month since BelloWello's last activity. Although I still strongly believe that it should bear a longer lead, the article contributor has addressed the concerns for this GA. Moray An Par (talk) 03:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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