Talk:Kiwifruit

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Chinese Gooseberries[edit]

"To avoid associating the fruit with China after WWII, it was internationaly marketed under the name "Melonette" first, and finally under the name "kiwifruit".[10]"

I followed the citation link and it made no mention of disassociation with China. Rather, it implied that American importers wanted to avoid using the word "berry" which might result in higher tariffs. Does anyone have another citation for that claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.10.70 (talk) 05:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Further reading[edit]

Books
  • Neubauer, H. / Vorbeck, W. (2008). Kiwifruit: from the seed to your plate. NZVP Books. ISBN 978-1-877339-11-0
  • Qian, M.C. / Rimando, A.M. (eds. 2010). Flavor and Health Benefits of Small Fruits. American Chemical Society. ISBN 978-0-8412-2549-7

--Zefr (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Golden kiwifruit[edit]

Well it cannot be both " a new species " and a "distinct cultivar ". If this variety was just invented recently, then a "cultivar" it should be, not a "species".Eregli bob (talk) 07:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

In the botanical world species and cultivars are two different things. It can be a new species and cultivar at the same time. Cultivar in botany simply means a plant variety that has been produced in cultivation by selective breeding as opposed to in the wild. No wild plant is ever designated a cultivar for obvious reasons. It's species... I take it you don't need me to tell you what a species is. Whether it is factualy correct that it is a new species and cultivar is something I don't know. 212.250.138.33 (talk) 04:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Just did a quick check for you and as far as I can tell, it's been designated as a new species, the rule I've been told is if presented in latin as two names such "Actinidia chinensis" (Golden Kiwi) then it's genus followed by species, if the second name is in single quotation marks then that is the cultivar, it seems that it is considered a new speices, it's cultivars name is apprently "Hort 16a" so in a 3 name format it would appear as Actinidia chinensis 'Hort 16a' (Genus, Species, Cultivar). 212.250.138.33 (talk) 04:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm looking into Hort 16A, which is the major commercial variety of A. chinensis currently. This article describes it as a hybrid of deliciosa and chinesis. But this is not supported by the reference given (which only mentions chinensis) The patent ([1]) says the parents were both A. chinensis, but as they were collected in 1978 and 1981, one or both may have been deliciosas. I've heard (and can't find a reference now) that the commercially produced golden kiwi is chinensis grafted onto deliciosa rootstock. Perhaps grafting was confused with hybridization. Actinidia chinensis says chinensis was formerly cultivated in NZ but was displaced by deliciosa. This may be the case, or may be due to confusion from the change in name.Plantdrew (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Definition of Kiwifruit[edit]

I see many articles referring to kiwifruit Hayward only, as Actinidia deliciosa only, and others referring to all varieties of Actinidia fruit as kiwifruit. In fact most of the time I see the term kiwifruit being used with multiple definitions in the same article. Then I go to the dictionary, and it gets worse. Some say all Actinidia fruit, some say only deliciosa, some say only chinensis and some say chinensis or deliciosa. Obviously these dictionaries have not been updated since deliciosa and chinensis became separate species. Current usage suggests that all varieties grown outside Asia are kiwifruit, and the rest are not. This seems to be a eurocentric view. 12.168.6.143 (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You've been doing some fantastic work with this article. I agree that dictionaries are likely to be outdated. I think the proper approach, as you've been doing is to have a section in this article on the 3 species grown on a commercial scale (deliciosa, chinensis and arguta), and to mention the other cultivated species in passing (kolomikta, polygama). As kiwifruit is a fairly recent neologism (and a failed attempt at a trademark), usage is still evolving. "Golden kiwifruit" and "Baby kiwi" got their common names from their shared membership with the "Fuzzy kiwifruit" in the genus Actinidia. "Kiwi" had no association with any Actinidia until the trademark attempt. Kiwifruit seems to currently be used as a common name for all the fruits produced by plants in Actinidia, although when it was first coined, only one species (but see below) was grown on a commercial scale.
Thanks for the compliment. The cultivar section of the old article seemed like a pitch for the above mentioned gold kiwi stressing how average the other varieties are. I included melanandra because people kept referencing the red ringed verity of chinensis as a red kiwi. I am sorry to say that I have exhausted my knowledge on the subject. The one last change i would like to make would be to replace the initial image with a image displaying a large variety of kiwifruit, but know of no pictures that display this without license. Please make any changes you feel necessary.(12.168.6.143 (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2012 (UTC))

Use of taxonomy in the article[edit]

There is a potential issue with the taxonomic identities of Actinidia chinensis and A. deliciosa. "A. chinensis and A. deliciosa were classified together until about 15 years ago, in one species" is potentially misleading. I read it as (in the context of the article's focus on deliciosa) "a new species, A. chinensis was recently recognized as distinct from the long recognized species A. deliciosa". This is incorrect, although A. chinensis has recently become more widely cultivated. The reverse is true. Actinidia chinensis was first described in 1847 [2]. Fuzzy kiwi wasn't even named as a distinct variety (Actinidia chinensis var. deliciosa) until the 1940s [3], and finally recognized as a species, Actinidia deliciosa in 1984 [4]. Botanists still tend to recognize fuzzy kiwi as a variety (A. chinensis var. deliciosa) rather than a separate species (A. deliciosa), but agricultural literature has tended to increasingly recognize it as a separate species. The taxonomic issue is, of course, more appropriately discussed at Actinidia deliciosa and Actinidia chinensis. Plantdrew (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Point taken. The history of the separation of the species chinensis and deliciosa have been removed from this article. Care must be taken to ensure that the audience of this article is kept in mind (someone exploring the fruit and the production of the fruit, not the plant it self).(12.168.6.143 (talk) 19:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC))

Warning on Use of A. chinensis[edit]

The taxonomy does affect have a major bearing on the references used in this article. Until 1984, fuzzy kiwi was known as A. chinensis var. deliciosa or just A. chinensis. It took some years for A. deliciosa to take hold. References from the 1960s (when intensive cultivation of deliciosa cultivars took off) until 1984 (or later) are likely to use A. chinensis to refer to what is now A. deliciosa. Use extreme caution when a reference talks about chinensis. Even today, chinensis is still widely used when deliciosa is intended. Google results for: "Actinidia deliciosa Hayward" (22k), "Actinidia chinensis Hayward" (39k), "Actinidia chinensis var. deliciosa"+Hayward (4k), "Actinidia Hayward" (5k). The Hayward cultivar is certainly a deliciosa species/variety, but there are a large number of results for "Actinidia chinensis Hayward" because the botanical variety is often left off when a cultivar name is given (and the even the species may be left off as in "Actinidia Hayward"). Plantdrew (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Yang Tao[edit]

In the history section of the article, it mentions that the Chinese name of this fruit is Yang Tao. But Yang Tao is the name of a different fruit, see http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/楊桃 I suspect that the source it quoted from was in error. I would suggest people who worked with this fruit in China so clarify this confusion. Kowloonese (talk) 05:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

From the 楊桃 (Yang Tao) page on Wikipedia there is a disambiguation link that states:
本文介紹的是Star fruit。關於獼猴桃的別名,詳見「奇異果
Translation "This article describes the Star fruit. About the kiwi an alias, see "kiwi""
Therefore, to this day the word is used to describe both fruits. PLEASE STOP CHANGING THIS IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW CHINESE AUSTRALIANS REFERRED TO THIS FRUIT12.168.6.143 (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

When does "楊桃" mean "Strawberry peach" literally? "楊" means willow or aspen or Chinese bayberry as in "楊梅". But I don't believe it can ever mean "strawberry". I understand we have a reliable resource here, but I'd like to know whether other Wikipedians agree to this explanation. If most of us consider it wrong, should we remove this "literal" translation? --Ahyangyi (talk) 05:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

You are right, with my limited research it seems to mean a peach like fruit that grows on a plant with fluttering branches.144.188.128.3 (talk) 18:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
According to Google Translate, mei hau tou means monkey (macaque) peach. --31.150.209.230 (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
All hail google translate :) Seriously if you want to refute somthing you need to do a bit more reserch. 楊 is assocated with trees with fluttering branches, but that is just one interpritation and it is kinda subjuctive for me as i am not a native speaker. 2602:304:415C:5EE9:2C40:7E88:E22D:B772 (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Evolutionary biology[edit]

There seems to be a total absence of genetics and evolutionary biology on the wikipedia articles for fruits. Which fruits are genetically related? What genes are evolutionarily (is that a word?) preserved among related plants? I came to this article to try to familiarize myself with the topic but have found that none of the fruit articles have good sections on genetics. I think it would greatly improve this article (and all fruit articles) to include a section on genetics/molecular biology. I realize that the history of cultivation and the known cross-breeding is often discussed, but this does not address the information that I am alluding to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.82.215.201 (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

That is a good idea, but it seems that should be in the article about the plant, insted of the articla about the fruit of the plant 12.168.6.143 (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Clean up Citations[edit]

Although otherwise this is an Ok article, the lack of citations to cover the citation needed comments are probably lending to less credibility. Also, there are a tun of citations, most likely all is needed to look through the existing citations to find a good source.

Please help cover these gaps208.90.40.114 (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Animal consumption[edit]

I have removed the section entitled Animal consumption which was added on 7 January this year by User:Preppergardens. Apart from being dubious information, the ref given was to a spam plant catalogue. User:Preppergardens was spam blocked indefinitely by User:De728631 on 11 March. Moriori (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Dead link[edit]

http://food.oregonstate.edu/faq/kiwi/faq_kiwi4.html "What is the history of the kiwifruit?". Oregon State University

This link no longer works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.157.3 (talk) 02:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Allergies[edit]

'silver birch allergy' redirects to this page but then there is no mention of it in the text as fas as I can tell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.210.58 (talk) 11:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

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