Talk:Muhammad Ali

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Former good article nominee Muhammad Ali was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
July 29, 2007 Good article nominee Not listed
edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Muhammad Ali:
  • In the section, "The Nation of Islam and Religious Beliefs," the article states: "...Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not 'righteous.'" While qualifying the belief with the phrase, "at the time" implies that Ali may not hold such a belief in the present day, it does not follow up by verifying how Ali's belief on the matter actually did change. In 2002, David Frost interviewed Ali and asked him whether he still believed all whites were devils, as he had once proclaimed. Ali replied that it had been Elijah Muhammad who taught him that view and that he, Muhammad Ali, now sees the view as "wrong."Hoiser (talk) 15:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC) ali cannot go the heaven until he recognizes jesus as the son o god, jesus has gone to prepare a place for us and he is the way to the father.
  • In the last paragraph of intro, the article states: "He transformed the role and image of the African American athlete in America by his embrace of racial pride and his willingness to antagonize the white establishment in doing so." The "white establishment" is a dubious phrase, even in 1960s America. The phrase implies that blacks were not allowed to become leaders of government or business at the time, as if the power structure was then and always would be purely white. There were certainly black members of the federal government and the business elite then and these institutions have become progressively more diversified with the years. A more accurate statement would be to the effect of: " antagonize some white members of the establishment."Hoiser (talk) 15:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Fix issues from GA review:
    • It's poorly sourced for it's length, only 16 citations in a article that is about 50 KB in length.
  • Explain why Ali was stripped of his title in 1964, this is currently mentioned in the list at the end without any reason being given
  • Add the final decision of the Supreme Court on Ali's refusing to serve in the military. Several court decisions are mentioned but the final conclusion is missing completely!
  • Properly format all references.
  • Mention the fact that Ali called Frazier an "Uncle Tom" and "a dumb gorilla," both of which were widely reported in the press at the time.
  • The first fight with Leon Spinks was in Las Vegas NOT at the Superdome, which is where the second fight took place. Mal2104 (talk) 01:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Tomorrow's Champions was hosted by Ed Kallay. I think Martin produced the program. Older47 (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
  • His last wife is/was Yolanda (Williams)Ali. Lonnie is Yolanda's childhood nickname
  • In the lead-up: "Ali had brought beauty and grace to the most uncompromising of sports and through the wonderful excesses of skill and character, he had become the most famous athlete in the world." Not only is this hyperbolic, but much of it is opinion. Where's the documentation that boxing is "the most uncompromising of sports," or that Ali was without question "the most famous athlete in the world"? "One of the most famous" would be much harder to contest. Also, unless you can find someone with credentials saying that Ali "brought beauty and grace" to boxing (which is a matter of aesthetics, and therefore subjective), the statement should either be qualified or cut outright. Finally, the choice of verb tense is a little strange. Is the past perfect tense necessary here? What's wrong with the simple past (i.e., "Ali brought beauty and grace...")?
  • Fix the reference to "other wrestlers"! Jimwrightbe (talk) 00:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
  • The date of the first Frazier-Ali fight was MARCH, not May, 8, 1971. It is correctly reported on the list of fights near the end of the article but stated incorrectly in the earlier text.
  • In 1980, Ali challenged Larry Holmes for the WBC title, not the WBA title as stated in the text. The correct title that was contested is listed in Ali's professional record.
  • In the third paragraph of the intro, the article states "The U.S. government declined to recognize him as a conscientious objector, however, because Ali declared that he would fight in a war if directed to do so by Allah or his messenger (Elijah Muhammad)." The name in the parenthesis is incorrect/wrong because the name of Messenger/Prophet of ALLAH is "Muhammad" whereas "Elijah Muhammad" was the name of Ali's mentor. Please correct the mistake as it is wrong as well as offensive.

Religion Islam[edit]

His relegion should be stated as Islam in the description not Orthodox. The article is locked. So plese an admin could do it? rinduzahid(talk) 19:50, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Orthodox refers to stance not religion. --Racklever (talk) 20:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I.e. "orthodox" refers to his boxing style : left foot forward, left arm closest to opponent. Rcbutcher (talk) 09:25, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

not objective[edit]

As my piece has been removed i will simply say read Ghosts of Manila by Mark Kram for the demolishment of the Ali all seeing ,all knowing, prophet myth ,Racially and religiously tolerant LOL ,great boxer but a BullyBullseye30 (talk) 21:40, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Old discussions are normally archived. But unless you have new information to discuss, or have suggestions for a change to the article, it's not necessary to keep bringing it up. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 14:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Bad form censoring anything negative but sourced[edit]

For the third time cleary someone on here is determined to censor anything negative or that destroys the Ali myth ,for anyone that wants the real Ali story read Ghosts of Manlia by Mark Kram ,Ali was hardly tolerant of anything Bullseye30 (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

There has been no censoring that I can see. Anyone and everyone has access to your concerns. Now, what exactly do you want to see be done about those concerns? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)