Talk:The Holocaust

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Origins - expulsions[edit]

The Jews were expelled from some areas (Spain, Germany) to another areas (Poland, Bulgaria), not expelled from Europe. Xx236 (talk) 13:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Goldhagen[edit]

The text doesn't inform about Goldhagen's book and the critics but the boook is listed under Books.Xx236 (talk) 13:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Genocidal state[edit]

The section describes facts which took place in different periods without explaining the sequence.
The Holokaust took place in several countries, it's true that mainly in Nazi Germany and occupied lands, but also in Romania and Slovakia, Independent State of Croatia.Xx236 (talk) 09:39, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

This is purely just an opinion[edit]

Currently under the Jehowa's Witness section it reads: "Historian Detlef Garbe writes that "no other religious movement resisted the pressure to conform to National Socialism with comparable unanimity and steadfastness."[449]". This is purely just an opinion, not a fact.

Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims new Holocaust study[edit]

Here is the source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9906771/Nazis-may-have-killed-up-to-20m-claims-shocking-new-Holocaust-study.html We should update the figure of 6 million as fast as possible. --Avoided (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

We already refer to the larger number, and the Holocaust Memorial Museum study, under the header "Victims and death toll". --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 15:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
But it says '17 million victims overall' and not 17 million Jewish victims overall. The new study clearly says that 15-20 million Jewish people were exterminated during the Holocaust. --Avoided (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
the “new” study isn’t new. That article is from 2013. And it doesn’t say that 15-20 million Jewish victims died, it says a total figure that includes 6 million Jewish victims. There couldn’t have been 15-20 million Jewish victims because there were at most 9 to 10 million Jews in Europe. And this study is just one, among other estimates. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Up until now, the Holocaust is thought to have consumed between five and six million Jews, with an estimated further six million other people also murdered by the Nazi regime. The new figures of 15 to 20 million, which have astonished some Holocaust historians, come after thirteen years of painstaking study at Washington's Holocaust Memorial Museum. Reading both sentence after one another, it seems so obvious to me that what they mean is that the 6 million was revised to 20 million. How comes you understand the article differently? --Avoided (talk) 15:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Because it doesn't say "15 to 20 million Jewish victims". There were an estimated 9.7 million Jews in all of Europe. There is no way that the article can possibly mean 15 to 20 million Jewish victims. We already refer to the study in the article - through its use by the USHMM. We also note that the same study found a lot more camps throughout the Nazi sphere than had previously been thought existed. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:37, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Precisely that. The USHMM study would have said explicitly if they meant the count of Jewish victims needed to be reconsidered; it didn't. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 18:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
ok. Thanks for clearing that up. --Avoided (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)