Template talk:Signpost-subscription

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Rationale[edit]

The idea is to use this template on user pages to subscribe to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. Zocky 21:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

About 50 subscribers[edit]

Not bad. Ral315 (talk) 02:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks like its up to appx 150 now.-Ravedave 23:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
About a year later, there are 500+ Zocky | picture popups 15:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
We're up to ~1100 by now. Zocky | picture popups 00:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

But it want it on my front porch![edit]

Anywhere where I can sign up for some kind of automatic spam list where I get a message on my talk page automatically each time the new issue comes out? :) Jdavidb (talk • contribs) 19:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Hrm. I can do that. Ral315 (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Seperate news from box[edit]

I would like to have a feed like this on my userpage. The trouble is, my layout is very structured, and putting this whole box in would force everything out of wack. My proposal is to change how this box is rendered. Take the bulleted list of news items, and place them into a seperate template. Make news related changes to that template, and then transclude it into the subscription template. Than people like me could just trancslude the news feeds. I think that would be a justifiable use of a meta-template.--Max Talk (add)Contributions 02:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd really like to see this too - I'd like to make a custom version hidden by default for my talk page. If the content were seperated out, it would make customization much simpler - people could adapt the content for their particularly-formatted userspace, or continue to use this template by default which would remain the same. Nihiltres(t.c.s) 14:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

thinsp[edit]

I'm going to remove the  's from this. They appear as full spaces in IE5.0 (causing linewrap), as missing character squares in opera8 (causing linewrap), and are ignored by firefox. Thanks.

I've tried replacing them with <tt> enclosures. -Quiddity 18:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Headlines caps style[edit]

Is there any particular reason why headlines don't use the same caps style as Wikipedia articles? Rfrisbietalk 14:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Avoiding foolish consistency springs to mind :) Zocky | picture popups 21:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Broken image[edit]

The Wikipedia Signpost header image on the template is strangely broken for me - this can't be a browser cache issue, as it occurs in two different browsers, one of which I have not used to look at the Signpost template. I'm not sure why, though - the image does appear to exist on Wikipedia. -- Mithent 21:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a common problem with picture thumbnails which usually sorts itself out in a couple of days. Zocky | picture popups 21:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Bad comic link[edit]

Please change the pipe to WikiWorld comic: "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" to match the spam'ed version instead of last weeks comic. --After Midnight 0001 17:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Ral315 » 17:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks much. --After Midnight 0001 23:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

For some strange reason[edit]

My copy of Signpost has ceased being delivered. Can some one reinstate it to my talk page.....Thanks. Ekotkie 17:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

mistake in WikiWorld[edit]

The template is protected, so I can't fix it, but the title of the current WikiWorld entry in this week's template incorrectly refers to last week's template. --Zvika (talk) 17:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Modify imagemap[edit]

It would save up some KB to replace:

<imagemap>
Image:WikipediaSignpostHead.svg|200px|The Wikipedia Signpost
desc none
default [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost]]
</imagemap>

with

[[File:WikipediaSignpostHead.svg|200px|The Wikipedia Signpost|link=Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost]]

§hepTalk 03:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, §hepTalk 07:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Option for "float=none"[edit]

The Signpost
9 April 2014
{|
|{{Signpost-subscription}}
|}

The above table code is how one stops the normal right-floating alignment of the Signpost box. But the box plus table is wider than the Signpost box alone. Note the white space to the left of the box.

The "Centralized discussion" box

{{cent}}

has a "float=none" option:

{{cent|float=none}}

It stops its normal right-float alignment.

I like to float various things (such as images) to the right on my user and user talk pages. At 1024 X 768 screen resolution of many monitors that is difficult with the Signpost box. I had to narrow photos down to 200-pixels wide in order to float them to the right of the Signpost box inside of the table.

See my user and user talk pages, and turn down the screen resolution to 1024 X 768 temporarily. Note how much space the Signpost box-plus-table takes up.

It might also be good to narrow the Signpost box down to the same width as the "Centralized discussion" box. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Option is "none", and not "float=none"[edit]

{{editprotected}} I discovered that some templates (such as the Signpost box) use just "none" and not "float=none" in order to stop right and left floating alignment. "None" also stops text and images from wrapping around the template.

Can an admin add

{{Signpost-subscription|none}}

to the list of options on the template description?

Please add it to the new /doc page yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, I think the box width needs to be lessened. This is done by changing

width:{{{width|23em}}};

to something like this:

width:{{{width|20em}}};

Then the Signpost box looks like the one to the right. It is around the same width as {{cent}} (Centralized discussion box). --Timeshifter (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I updated the new doc page you created too. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry folks, I've got to dispute your change to the default width parameter. The width was set to 23em to match the other Wikipedia press projects' (Wikipedia Weekly & WikiVoices) subscription templates. You can see the problem on the Wikipedia:Community portal, the Signpost is now thinner than the others. This also causes the footer to take up two lines. If you want the box to be thinner on your own talk page, you know that you can add width=20em as a parameter. Please revert this the default to 20em.
This would also be a good time to change the date to link to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. — Pretzels Hii! 02:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Further to that, "Tip Line" should now read "Suggestions", and "About" should be the first footer link. Thanks — Pretzels Hii! 02:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done, let me know how I goofed. ;) Hiding T 21:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Date link on top[edit]

Is there a reason for the date at the top to be links? It seems rather useless to me. Perhaps replace it with a permanent link to the current issue. --Apoc2400 (talk) 00:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

  • It would be more useful as a link to the front page, yeah. — Pretzels Hii! 14:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

typo[edit]

This week edition has a typo. It is 'worldwide', not 'wordwide'. --Cheol (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Update for book editions[edit]

{{editrequested}}

Since the Signpost is now available in book form, this template should be updated. The change is simple, simply replace:

<div style="border:solid #aaa 1px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; margin:0 0 1em 1em; font-size:95%; background:#FFFFFF; width:{{{width|23em}}}; text-align:left; padding:7px; padding-bottom:1px; float:{{{1|right}}};">
<div style="font-size:100%; text-align:center;">[[File:WikipediaSignpostHead.svg|230px|The Wikipedia Signpost|link=Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost]]<br/>
'''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|{{#formatdate:{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|1}}|d m y}}]]'''</div>
<span style="font-size:90%;">{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|1}}}}</span>
<div style="text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #CCC; font-size:85%; color:#999; margin-top:3px;">[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About|<span style="color:#777;">About</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives|<span style="color:#777;">Archives</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single|<span style="color:#777;">Single-page</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom|<span style="color:#777;">Newsroom</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions|<span style="color:#777;">Suggestions</span>]]</div></div><noinclude>
{{documentation}}
</noinclude>

with

<div style="border:solid #aaa 1px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; margin:0 0 1em 1em; font-size:95%; background:#FFFFFF; width:{{{width|25em}}}; text-align:left; padding:7px; padding-bottom:1px; float:{{{1|right}}};">
<div style="font-size:100%; text-align:center;">[[File:WikipediaSignpostHead.svg|230px|The Wikipedia Signpost|link=Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost]]<br/>
'''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|{{#formatdate:{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|1}}|d m y}}]]'''</div>
<span style="font-size:90%;">{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|1}}}}</span>
<div style="text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #CCC; font-size:85%; color:#999; margin-top:3px;">[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About|<span style="color:#777;">About</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives|<span style="color:#777;">Archives</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single|<span style="color:#777;">Single-page</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Book:Wikipedia Signpost/{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|1}}|<span style="color:#777;">Book</span>]]<tt>·<tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom|<span style="color:#777;">Newsroom</span>]]<tt>·</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions|<span style="color:#777;">Suggestions</span>]]</div></div><noinclude>
{{documentation}}
</noinclude>

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding that link causes the footer to wrap for me, at default width and default text size, so I would suggest either About, Archives, or Suggestions is sacrificed to make room - if Book is really necessary in this template. — Pretzels Hii! 16:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
It looks fine for me, although I do have a huge screen. We could place the footer in a {{nowrap}}, which would solve the wrapping problem. Opinons? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 17:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
The default width is set in ems, so it's based on font size rather than screen size (I have a big screen too!). {{nowrap}} would force the footer to overflow out of the box when there's not enough room; I would rather we just remove a link so as not to get cluttered. Alternatively, you could move Single-page and Book to above the footer line. — Pretzels Hii! 20:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I've disabled the {{editprotected}} template for the minute. Once you guys have worked out exactly what needs doing and how it needs to be done, please re-enable it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I placed a version in the sandbox at 25em (rather than 23em). Does that solve the issue for you? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

New logo and other updates[edit]

{{editrequested}} I've updated this template in the sandbox. The changes include adding the new logo, updating some links to pages that have moved, and cleaning up the design a little. Please could the sandbox version of the template be copied into the main template. — Pretzels Hii! 13:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Centered box[edit]

Hey. Why can't I center the box at my userpage? If it's something I didn't do right, could you please fix it for me? Thanks! Rehman 11:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it myself. Rehman 01:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Editprotected request involving this template[edit]

This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass (hit me up)(background check) 20:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit protected request to update template[edit]

There is an updated version in the sandbox that fixes the old page names, with the current ones. Also, alphabetized the bottom row. Thanks --Funandtrvl (talk) 06:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Table-based version[edit]

Currently this template uses nested divs for layout. Most boxes of this type on Wikipedia use a flat table format. I've converted the sandbox code to use this layout; the result is more readable code that should hopefully be easier on screen readers. if there are no problems with it I'll sync it in a few days. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 15:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm opposed to this change, as it's more semantically correct and accessible to use the
    tags and CSS. It's not a table of data; using HTML tables for layout purposes is bad practice. You're right that this is common across Wikipedia, but I think this is due to ageing templates and the limitations of Mediawiki rather than technical superiority. — Pretzels Hii! 16:44, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
    • It is certainly not better to wrap divs within each other arbitrarily, as this template does. Semantically there is little between the two, and the improvement in readaibility is enough to justify the change IMO. If at some point we have a grand migration to use a div format for these floating boxes then it will be much easier if they all use a simple wikitable format first. For the time being, this ensures that the box behaves consistently with our other templates (up until yesterday it didn't even float properly for instance). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 10:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Collapsible[edit]

Hi may i suggest a |collapse= parameter? I have done it in the sandbox as an example (see the diff). If the |collapse= parameter is left blank, the template should display as normal, but if it is filled in as |collapse=yes only then shall it hide the stories, leaving a little header and a [show] icon. Cheers, benzband (talk) 13:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, though I've simplified the code to use {{hidden}}'s built-in conditional support rather than having two entirely different code paths for displaying collapsed and uncollapsed text. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:52, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, and thanks! grin benzband (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Since these changes the |collapse=yes parameter doesn't function anymore. Can someone please add the following:
|expanded = {{#ifeq:{{{collapse|}}}|yes||all}}
This should solve the problem (tested here in the sandbox and works fine). benzband (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Whoops. Yes check.svg Done, thanks for the fix. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Cheers SFriendly.svg benzband (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Date bigger[edit]

What about making that heading with date a little bigger in font?--Kozuch (talk) 15:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

  • I've updated the sandbox version of the template to both fix the width parameter and reinstate the original cleaner aesthetic that was lost during the conversion to a wikitable. The update is more readble and contains fewer superfluous borders, and removes the defunct and incorrect "top stories" header, whilst retaining the new collapsible functionality. If there are no concerns or objections I will request this to be synced with the main template. — Pretzels Hii! 20:12, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Added a fix for date formatting to match other Signpost pages. Please sync with the sandbox! — Pretzels Hii! 19:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:18, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
    Thanks Martin :) — Pretzels Hii! 22:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Fix collapse parameter[edit]

The Signpost
9 April 2014

As in this edit. benzband (talk) 07:28, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:29, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. benzband (talk) 11:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, who's in for an image parameter? (|image=yes, see on right for example) benzband (talk) 11:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Crystal Clear action edit add.png Added — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:55, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! benzband (talk) 07:48, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Newsroom link?[edit]

Why aren't I seeing the newsroom link any more? (I can't find an edit in the history that changed it.) RJFJR (talk) 18:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I found it, it was the 20:36, 31 May 2013‎ edit, but I'm not sure why the change was made. RJFJR (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Please bring back the newsroom link. Thanks. 64.40.54.103 (talk) 00:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
The "suggestions" link seems to do what you want. You can always click on it and "go up a level" to get to the main newsroom. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Collapse button[edit]

Is it really necessary for us to have a collapse button for the Signpost template? The list of articles is rarely longer than 6 or 7, and since the title takes up most of the room, collapsing the template doesn't actually make much difference. It just seems like interface cruft to me. I know people want to make everything on Wikipedia collapsable, but this isn't always an improvement. Kaldari (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree, and concur with removal. –Quiddity (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit Protect - restore single-page and book views, split the bottom[edit]

Please wait 24 hours for feedback before implementing and (temporarily) deny the change if there are unresolved objections.

Please add in the changes I put in the sandbox a few minutes ago: diff between Sandbox as of a few minutes ago and the template as of a few minutes ago. See Template:Signpost-subscription/testcases for a demo.

This change restores the single-page and book options to bottom section and splits the bottom section into two lines with a {{hr}} splitting the two lines for cosmetic reasons. All of the links that lead directly to various views of the current or past Signpost are below the newly-added horizontal rule.

Note: I prefer one line with the automatic word-wrap, but some comments earlier on this talk page indicate that at least some people do not like it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

This edit of 00:13, 7 January 2014‎ by Pretzels is okay too. I have no preference of his or mine. I've purged the testcases. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Done – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 21:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit protect - change permission to TemplateEditor[edit]

Please wait 24 hours to see if there are any objections, although I can't imagine there being any

Please change the permission from "fully protected" to template protected so that template editors can edit this and allow admins to focus on other duties. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Note: I am not a template editor. When I've done a few more sandboxed proposed changes, I plan to apply for the permission. So... this request doesn't remove the need for someone other than me to do the change above. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. Change in page protection requested and granted. It is now template-protected. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:57, 7 January 2014 (UTC)