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I'm currently taking a wikibreak, I will do your instructions when I get back.--SKATER Speak. 14:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Your bot archived them. (The main reason I don't use an archiving bot). It's best not to archive a thread until all action concerning it has been completed. Archives hide messages (and their tasks), and there they get forgotten.
How have you done on the assignment (AWB, Linky, and the Linky try out)?
The Transhumanist 19:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't have enough main space edits apparently for AWB, and I can't get Linky because I'm using my school laptop and haven't had access to my desktop in a while.

Rasputin fan editing my user page

Ha, thanks for the revert. At least he didn't leave a barnstar. CliffC (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. --SKATER Speak. 22:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Exactly why would you (CliffC) make so many edits to a page and then deny having done so, such that you commend someone who tried to cover up all your edits??? That "Rasputin's Penis" page shouldn't even exist and you seem to be that page's main proponent. (talk) 04:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
No denial or cover-up here, I "commended" Skaterthealmighty for spotting and reverting your edit to my user page. Editing another user's user page is considered poor form here, and will generally be seen as vandalism. --CliffC (talk) 11:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Good news and bad news - 06/08/2009

The big push continues.

And it seems to be working!

The good news is that there's growing support for outlines, and there are more editors than ever editing them!

The bad news is that the complainers are disproportionately represented on the project's various talk pages. While many editors work diligently on the front end, a handful of complainers are trying to tear down the project behind the scenes. Fortunately, barely enough supporters have been watching those pages that no consensus for moving or merging the outlines has succeeded. So far...

Big problem: ignorance of what outlines are for and their benefits

Most of the opposition seems to be unaware of the complete range of what outlines are used for. They just don't get it.

This is why it is important to complete the outline article draft. An article with a comprehensive treatment of outlines would be the perfect place to refer anybody unfamiliar with outlines to.

Opposers also don't seem to understand how outlines differ from some other page type that they prefer. Some think articles are good enough as an overview, others think portals are more in-depth, still others think categories or navigation boxes are the most efficient and useful way to organize and present topical information. Some have simply never seen an "Outline of" page before and think they are a new type of page (they've been around under other names since 2001).

If you run across anyone who doesn't understand the role of outlines on Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Why do we have outlines in addition to...? might help reduce their misconceptions or uncertainties about outlines.

On the bright side, you've got to see this...

To add the outlines and related support pages to your watchlist (takes less than 30 seconds), cut and paste them from Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist. For a way to improve the display of your watchlist - by namespace (very useful) - see Watchlist sorter, or use the "super fast upgrade" at WP:OTS.

Or go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes (currently without the talk pages) and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu on the sidebar on the left side of your screen.

The big push

The big push started with about a thousand banners and notices being placed on article talk pages all over Wikipedia.

But it didn't stop there...

Welcome our new members...

The following Wikipedians have joined the OOK team.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and introduce yourselves.

Enter the mentors!

I asked a bunch of mentors at WP:ADOPT for advice. Several of them answered on my talk page. Most of those who replied were happy to help, and posted some very good ideas. A couple even joined the project.

Here are their ideas, and what is being done about them. A few of the tasks still need volunteers:

Linking to outlines has begun

To the tops of about 30 subject articles, I placed a test batch of hatnotes leading to the corresponding outlines. The hatnotes look like this:

For a topical guide to this subject, see Outline of X.(Hidden: <!- PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE IN PLACE because it leads to the page that serves as the table of contents for Wikipedia's overall coverage of this subject. Thank you.-->

The rationale for the hatnotes is that each outline is a topical guide for its subject, and since tables of contents go at the front of a book, a link to each outline should be placed at the front of its subject.

Unfortunately, not all editors agree. Some of the hatnotes have already disappeared.  :(

Some past discussions pertaining to the existence or location of outlines

Note that the "Lists of topics" are of two types, including outlines and indexes, so discussions to remove, move, or merge those are usually relevant to the OOK. Also, outlines are a type of list, so discussions that affect lists in general also pertain to outlines. We've got to be on our toes!

I've excluded links to live discussions, out of respect for WP:CANVASS.

Table of contents to OOK-related stuff

Here's a directory of outline support pages:

Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist 03:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK advert banner under development, here's the beta...

Penubag needs feedback.

I've posted a few changes for him to make to it.

Please post additional comments and suggestions for him at User talk:Penubag#Chocolate banner.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 02:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration!

As you know, Penubag is working on a banner to advertise the Outline WikiProject. And he's almost done.

The banner prominently presents the "Outline of chocolate", which of course will become the most widely advertised outline as soon as the banner goes live. The first thing many editors will do after seeing the banner is look for that outline.

The problem is, we don't have one.

So that's our first outline collaboration!

I started a draft this morning.

It needs to be finished and moved to the article namespace before we can start using Penubag's banner ad!

Come join in on the fun. It's chocolate!

The Transhumanist 21:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


Guess who's back?[1]

It's now quite clear he is a Genre Warrior. --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 14:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I left him a friendly message on his talk page, with a warning that I will dig through the archive and create another ANI case, or find my old one.--SKATER Speak. 18:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

While your "level-zero warning" tone is absolutely commendable, but when I tried that, he went off on the old "<sarcastically point out how I'm the only editor with a brain>" routine and unreverted his edits. --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 18:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
We'll see what happens, I'm honestly at my wits end with this guy. ANI ignores the case, his edits aren't "technically" ((Assuming good faith on that one)) vandalism, and he hasen't broken the 3RR. --SKATER Speak. 18:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
You and me both. To correct the last point, he has violated 3RR (in fact, he's now up to 5 reverts, three of which were after the warning was placed on his page). --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 19:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


I need your opinion on a situation I've been handling for a little over a month. I came across a flame war while I was on another vandal hunting spree, after reading through it I left both User:Kingoomieiii and the IP address User Talk: Aka User:Spooky873. I soon got into an argument discussion with King and reported their actions too Wikiquette alerts (Too lazy to dig it through the archives). I agreed to help him against 67, who was edit warring and going against consensus on Foo Fighters articles and prepared an ANI case (Again in the archives) against him which was promptly ignored in the "BANNING XENO IS MORE IMPORTANT" Drama. After a break, 67 is still continuing his edit warring. You can see most of what you need: [2] and [3]. I'm at my wits end here, the only option I have is to message an Admin to look into this themselves. --SKATER Speak. 19:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that the issue of your age came up. Don't fall into the age trap. Don't mention your age, and don't confirm or deny guesses about your age. Once your age is known, others may use that to discriminate against you. It happens from time to time at WP:RfA. And don't lie about your age either - lying about yourself may backfire on you (remember Essjay).
Gather your edit warring evidence against the guy, and read the instructions on WP:ANEW. You can report edit warriors there, even if they haven't violated 3RR.
My suggestion is to go by the book on this one. Follow the instructions at dealing with disruptive editors.
I also suggest that you advise Kingoomieiii do so the same. The more witnesses, the better.
Good luck.
The Transhumanist 20:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know that the IP's edit warring again. The one who's changing the genre of Foo Fighters even after you warned his about it.--Abce2|AccessDenied 21:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like he's blocked right now, and his main account User:Spooky873 Is indef blocked. If he continues this I'm sure they'll block him again. --SKATER Speak. 15:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Never has a stop sign on a web page brought me so much joy. Cheers! --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 18:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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WPOOK's advert banner is done!


Is it perfect? Can it be improved?

Penubag loves feedback. Please let him know if it can be further improved.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 22:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Full Steam Ahead! - 06/18/2009

Several members of the WikiProject have been hard at work.

Buaidh has been building and refining the outlines on the U.S. States, the states' historical outlines, and the Historical outline of the United States. Lately, his edits have dominated the project's watchlist readout. (I think he's overdue for a barnstar or two. hint hint)

Penubag has been working on medals for all the main branches of the OOK, and has completed the OOK WikiProject's animated advert banner (see below).

Highfields has been filling in the currencies for each country on their respective outlines.

NuclearWarfare and Thehelpfulone have been busy with WP:AWB, posting banners and notices, and helping our sister project, the Index WikiProject, get established. Indexes work hand-in-hand with the outlines and are prominently linked to from the top of most of them. And the outlines, which serve as tables of contents, are only as good as the pages they link to.

Since we started integrating (linking) the OOK and its support pages into the encyclopedia and into the Wikipedia community, activity on outlines has been increasing. Though there's still much left to do.

But I digress. There are a couple more...

Welcome our new members! Stefan and MacMed

Stefan is building the Outline of sharks.

MacMed has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".

WPOOK's advert banner has gone live!

Penubag has finished this WikiProject's animated advert banner, and it is now being displayed on the Wikipedia ads template which in turn is displayed on about 2000 user pages. Each time someone access one of those pages, there is a 1 in 184 chance of them viewing this:

If you'd like to display the banner on your userpage locked-on to the ad as above, use the following code:

{{Wikipedia ads|ad=184}}

(By the way, it's been awhile since we've barnstarred Penubag).

Watchers needed!

If you haven't already, please add the entire project's watchlist to your watchlist. Here's how:

From the edit window, copy and paste Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist.
Or go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu in Wikipedia's sidebar on the left hand side of the screen.

Check the watchlist every time you log on!

I forgot to mention this step above.  :)

The OOK is in 5 other Wikipedias?

I can't make heads or tails of 'em, but these links were on Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge:

Resurrected from the grave yard...

I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics, and which was created 4 years ago. Of course they deleted it. But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead.  :)

See the DRV discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 June 7#Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics.

A diamond buried in project space


Recruiters needed. Drop me a note if you are interested.

Advice from the mentors

  • Astatine-210, Strdst grl, and Willscrlt - link to the outlines from the corresponding subject articles' see also sections - this is underway by MacMed (non-country outlines) and User talk:NuclearWarfare (counry outlines).
  • Astatine-210 - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages. We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
  • SimonTrew - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - Penubag will have one for us soon.
  • Zachary crimsonwolf - create a card explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone they know) - this task has been split in three:
  1. Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
  2. Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the WPOOK, to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested
3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines. The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.
  • weebiloobil - add examples to Wikipedia:Outlines - more examples will be added as suitable outlines are completed
  • weebiloobil - add a picture to Wikipedia:Outlines (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject. Thank you for the idea.
  • Zachary crimsonwolf - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
  • Zachary crimsonwolf - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards
  • UzEE - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some. We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
  • SriMesh - if you can't get outlines added to next year's WikiCup, then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup. In the meantime, there's the 200-WikiProject contest, which needs input.

More outline tasks

New outlines in article space

New outline drafts

Main discussion pages

Keep up the great work

I'm impressed with the level of enthusiasm and work going into the outlines. I'm proud to be working with each of you.

The Transhumanist 21:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration #2: Outline of Gibraltar

This outline is approaching completion.

I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia:

(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).

Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)

The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects to page sections. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.

Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I finally got to whack somebody with a trout!

That was fun.  :)

The Transhumanist 23:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, always remember your first.--SKATER Speak. 07:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009

Work is proceeding apace...

New members

The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.

What's next...

Improve outline quality by completing them.

Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.

Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date.

Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines .

Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.

Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed.

Add a description of outlines to About Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Basic navigation, and add tips about outlines to the WP:TOTD and Tips library.

Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback

Minnecologies has done an incredible amount of work on Outline of forestry and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback.

I've posted my observations at Talk:Outline of forestry#Finished outline review.

Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 20:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC).

Outline Update - Exhausted - 07/10/2009

I'm sorry that I haven't been available to assign tasks lately. For the past 3 days (not including today) I've been almost totally consumed in discussions concerning the location and very existence of outlines. Today I finally broke free and got back to work on outlines. Felt good.

A great deal has been happening with outlines and behind the scenes. I just don't have time to tell you all about it this time around. Here's the best I can do...

How to watch what's going on with outlines

If you'd like a bird's eye view of everything that's happening with respect to outlines, see this page:

  • WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):

  • WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
  • WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
  • WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.
Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format:

Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following one have been recently merged:

The Transhumanist 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Basking in the light of knowledge - 07/28/2009

Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers.

Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...

New members
Be sure to welcome our newest members to the team:
News: Outline of Palestine survives AfD
The outline was nominated for deletion for being too general in scope. The consensus was overwhelmingly for keeping it.
The most memorable comment was posted by Mandsford: I like the poetic name, anyway. [Outline of Palestine]. "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.
Special thanks to Tiamut for greatly improving the outline, and helping to save it from AfD.
To keep track of outline AfDs and other outline-related discussions, see WP:OOKDISC.
Who's active on Wikipedia this summer?
Courtesy of Rich Farmbrough, here's a list of editors by their edit counts over the previous month (8th June to 8th July).
It would be nice to get the most prolific Wikipedians involved with WP:WPOOK. If you can, find a good reason to contact one or more of them, and invite them to work on a relevant outline - or all 500!
Who's been up to what?
  • Buaidh, Highfields, and Gimme danger have been working on the government sections of the country outlines. Being that there are about 240 of these, with critical information being filled in on each, this is by far the hardest and most important chore of this WikiProject right now.
  • Penubag is working on a redesign of the top OOK page.
  • Tiamut has done an incredible job developing the Outline of Palestine.
  • And kudos also go to Eu.stefan for his work on Outline of Buddhism.

Thank you.

Here's what else has been going on...

New outlines
Recently created outlines include:
Recently converted to outlines
These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format and added to the OOK:
Recently merged into outlines
There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following articles have been recently merged into OOK pages:
Outlines that have been tagged
Tags are requests to fix a problem or improve an article in a particular way. Unless we want the tags to sit there for an extended period of time cluttering up the outlines (we don't), it is up to us to fulfill those requests or attend to underlying misassumptions (if any).
I can't stress enough the importance of watching
With so many outlines (now over 500), and a growing number of support pages (guidelines, wikiproject pages, etc.), I can no longer keep up. I need your help watching over it all.
If you'd like to omnisciently view everything "from above", see this page:
  • WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.
Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):
  • WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
  • WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
  • WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.
What's next?

There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those.

The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer!

Keep up the excellent work.

The Transhumanist 00:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

We're working on something special... award Buaidh for all his hard work.

It's at User:Penubag/Sandbox3.

But it's not done yet. Feel free to help improve it.

I'm hoping that everyone involved with the WP:WPOOK will sign it (please sign without a timestamp).

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 22:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

OOK collaboration: Outline of knowledge (eom)

Delivered by –Juliancolton | Talk at 21:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


Just a note after your userp, your signature still links to your original name. Obviously there are redirects in place, but the redirect breaks the Popups gadget, specifically, its quick user-link tools.

And thanks much for the review! --King Öomie 20:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, Hell I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks!--SKATER Speak. 21:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
from my page- '''''[[User:Skater|<span style="font-family:Chiller;color:#CC0033">SKATER</span>]]''''' [[User_talk:Skaterthealmighty|<sup><span style="font-family:Impact;color:Black">'''Speak.'''</span></sup>]]
 ;D --King Öomie 15:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


You are welcome! :) And look what that vandal did on WP:AIV – removed his report and replaced it with a report about ME. Good thing he is stopped now! Chevy Impala 2009 22:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

haha I'm not gonna lie that's pretty funny! Glad to see the Ban Mop/Hammer was brought down upon him.--SKATER Speak. 22:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

History of terrorism

Nuvola apps important.svg Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at History of Terrorism, you will be blocked from editing.

Yes, look at the edit history or read the talk page, haberstr pushes a pov, it gets reverted then editors like yourself who just use bots without learning the history jump him and he claims that as consensus, you over reaction and under informed nature of the edits only adds to the problems.

-sigh- I REVERTED MY EDIT. My action was not Vandalism. It seems to me your continuing in an edit war which you were blocked for. You've also been reported to AIV, not by me. So once again, your credit is gone. Please stop reverting the warning back.--SKATER Speak. 22:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

actually you reverted your revert of your revert, which i then reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LSG280709 (talkcontribs) 22:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Touche, I did revert my revert of a revert after I saw you were removing tags from the article for no reason. You have also violated the Wp:3RR and I have filed a report at 3RR noticeboard.

if by templates you mean the tags, when they have accurate dates and actually reasons on the talk page then i stop removing them otherwise their mislead drive by tagging —Preceding unsigned comment added by LSG280709 (talkcontribs) 21:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Skater: what are your 20 favorite subjects?

Or if less, name them all.

I look forward to your reply on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 23:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

HELP! :'( —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks Skater. I did put the RfC now. Looking forward for your comment on the RfC. And thanks for letting the other users finding the consensus (Ibarano and Zuovman) know about the RfC.Solinothe Wolf 10:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

It looks like everything is fine now. --Loonymonkey (talk) 18:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

No worries, happy vandal killing.--SKATER Speak. 18:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Your assignment...

OK, your assignment is to build the Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of gridiron football.

Have fun.

I look forward to seeing how much you know about football. (I know much less than you, I'm sure).

If you don't know what to do or where to start, here are some things you can do to that page:

  • Correct / change / improve what's there so far
  • Add more headings (major subtopics)
  • Add links of related topics on Wikipedia. Places to look include:
    • Browse related articles looking for terms and links, and browse related categories, portals, and lists.
    • Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia (as if you don't know how, and I'll gladly explain).

The Transhumanist 23:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

"Real Life"

Do you live in your parent's basement?

Yes Actually. One of the benefits of highschool. I call it my "command center" and it's epick with a K--SKATER Speak. 12:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I love seeing dick questions owned. --King Öomie 20:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Haha I love being a smartass.--SKATER Speak. 22:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Nice one skater... if whoever posted that was actually intending on pursuing any argument, I'd just love to see the look on his face with that response.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 23:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Probably something like -.- and muttering curses and insults at me :D.--SKATER Speak. 23:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Why was my revision undone?

I revised a section on Lord Robert May, but it was undone. I simply removed the part of the section not referenced in the cited article and reworded what the article was saying (it wasn';t about religion per se, rather about co-operation between religion and combating climate change. (talk) 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem. (talk) 20:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


On Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Skater I think you meant to type "I'm anxious to see how I measure up", not "I'm anxious to see how I level up". Prodego talk 22:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep, sure did thanks for that fix!--SKATER Speak. 22:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


Hi. Unfortunately, I have closed your RfA early per WP:SNOW. Please do not be discouraged, many admins pass on their second attempt and you are likely to do the same if you continue to be an asset to the community. All the best, \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 01:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Saw that coming. To be honest, I didn't expect this RFA to even gain the one support that It did. Just to point me in what I need to do.--SKATER Speak. 01:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Have you thought about finding an admin coach? That is probably the easiest way to learn about what you need to do. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Already applied, did it during the RFA actually.--SKATER Speak. 01:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Noel Ignatiev

You've got a funny idea of vandalism. I'm taking a nonsense opener that, as someone who just learned about this guy 5 minutes ago, didn't help me learn about him at all and just left me confused. If you think that's vandalism you should get your head examined and take an IQ test. Please explain what's so horrible about clarifying who this guy is? -- (talk) 18:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't insult other editors. --King Öomie 18:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Ya beat me to it King, I'll reply with the rest on your talk page 208.--SKATER Speak. 18:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)--SKATER Speak. 18:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't calling someone's contributions "vandalism" also violate CIVIL and isn't TWICE reverting people's edits without knowing what's going on actual vandalism and unconstructive to this site? Maybe you guys shouldn't shoot the messenger. -- (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and calling the opener unintelligible IS commenting on on the contributions- I don't even know who wrote the opener so how can I be calling them unintelligible? -- (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

He's apologized, it's been reverted to your revision. You should feel sufficiently vindicated at this point. --King Öomie 18:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Calling someone a vandal is not in itself a violation of WP:Civil. My edits do not constitute vandalism either, I was Assuming good faith about you and I respectfully ask that you do the the same. Were my edits mistakes? Yes and I apologized. I am a human ((unfortunately)) and they happen. I though what I was doing was right, I wasn't trying to harm the encyclopedia so I'm not a vandal. The edit summary on being "unintelligible" may offend the person(s) who created it. --SKATER Speak. 18:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

King, why not let your boyfriend and I deal with this between us, kay? Now Sk8, you think calling someone a vandal TWICE is assuming good faith? If you really AGF'd you would have actually looked at the revision to find proof that I was vandalizing...if it sounds familiar that's because it's the whole "innocent until proven guility" thing that civil (there's that word again) societies use. I could see making the mistake once, but since a lot of vandals wreck and then move on to wreck the next thing the sensible thing would be to double-check if this was a bad edit or not. I'm glad you finally saw reason and looked at it, but to attack me twice out of the blue and then get mad that I would respond to you and not act superpolite to the person who called me an unconstructive vandal is asinine. Remember that YOU came after ME, not the other way around. As far as "may offend", maybe you should read the articles about Canadian Human Rights Commissions- if you go thru life not saying things that may offend someone you'd never make a sound because someone WILL be offended by anything. Maybe you guys don't get what "unintelligible" means (or are too sensitive about others that might), but the word doesn't mean "unintelligent" but "unable to be understood or unclear to the mind". Unintelligent may be a personal attack, but unintelligible cannot be. I'm glad that you apologized (sadly too many peeps on here wouldn't) but you should have ended there and not tried to justify with some non-apology apology. If you had sad "my bad, sorry" EOD I would have accepted that and moved on...would have saved all of us a lot of typing. :D Sadly, the word "vandalism" is probably the most misused by editors on this site and I think it's that culture that has caused you to use those terms that would likely offend a reasonable person.

You seem like a decent person, I just ask that you use due diligence when using this Huggle thing to try and minimize a mistake like this happening again. I know there sadly is a lot of people who actually do vandalize, but that's why the AGF policy exists. Yes, it's not easy being the good guys. I do consider this matter closed as I believe you will learn from your mistake. Peace out. -- (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Boyfriend? Nice. This is the most condescending "I accept your apology" I've ever read. Consider this your last warning for personal attacks. --King Öomie 20:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Last? I'm reporting him as we speak to WP:Wikiquette alerts for direct violations of Wp:NPA. --SKATER Speak. 20:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I meant last before block. WQA doesn't block. It's basically a good place to go if you're looking to have someone scolded, they don't get much more proactive than that. --King Öomie 20:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
It's step one though, where your supposed to start with uncivility.--SKATER Speak. 20:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I suppose you're right. Usually it's more clear-cut, like a pure vandal spamming admin talkpages with "motherfudger"
Sorry, is Skater a woman? Girlfriend then, my bad. I'm assuming KINGiiiiiii is a dude for obvious reasons. -- (talk) 20:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Last time I checked I was a guy...--SKATER Speak. 20:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
So what are you considering a personal attack- me saying you're in a relationship or me saying you're homosexual? I don't think either of those are bad things personally. -- (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I think you may be confusing him for me! I'll holla!!! Hey!!--A3RO (mailbox) 20:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
So A3ro....What're you wearing? lol... as your you 208,While I'm not saying being homosexual or being in a relationship is bad. You have no evidence to jump to such conclusions about me or King, and calling someone someone else's "boyfriend" as a result of this is inappropriate and you clearly said it to cause someone to take offense.
I think maybe I should loosen my tie right now, cause it's gettin' kinda hot in here. However, if I did that; then I'd be wearing nothing. ;) --A3RO (mailbox) 22:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wikiquette Alert

Hello! In your interest, I have closed the dispute on the Wikiquette alert page. If there are anymore further attacks by that particular user, please notify any administrator on the WP:AIAV or myself so further actions can be done; since this issue has been posted as a dispute; a temporary block might be issued. Don't worry, this message will be posted on the talk page of all the users involved in the matter. Thank you! Happy editing! --A3RO (mailbox) 01:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks A3ro...See ya later tonight. ;)--SKATER Speak. 11:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. Haha. I get it now. lol :) --A3RO (mailbox) 16:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Editor Review

I have just submitted a comment on your Editor Review. Cheers.--LAAFansign review 20:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!--SKATER Speak. 20:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
It was problem at all. In fact, reviewing your edits again, I think a barnstar is in order. Happy editing. ;)
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I LAAFan award Skater with the Anti Vandalism Barnstar for your continuous efforts in stopping and reporting vandals. LAAFansign review 20:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Wow, my first Barnstar. I'm honored!--SKATER Speak. 21:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Ridiculous. Meanwhile he can continue provoking me by breaching the consensus and adding propaganda to articles. PRODUCER (talk) 16:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Then report it. All users involved in an incident are alerted and warned as applicable, not just the 'most wrong'. --King Öomie 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
See King for my responce.--SKATER Speak. 17:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I have already done this in the past with no luck. Only until Polargeo got involved did he get banned for his POV editing [4], which he ignored and evaded [5]. In fact he's taken upon himself to beat the dead horse once again and breach the consensus established with a mediator in the Canton 10 article [6]. He's perfectly willing to start an edit war at my expense because I'm tired of repeating myself. PRODUCER (talk) 16:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
You are the one who started the edit (May 2009) in couple of articles:Karađorđevo meeting, Canton 10, West Herzegovina Canton helped with a sockpuppeteer. Plus, you have not answered my question!--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 05:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Haha nonsense, you did nothing but disrupt the progress of the Karađorđevo agreement with the help of Ceha, who created fork in an attempt to further screw up the article. Only until I got Polargeo involved was any progress permitted. Your Croat pov is obvious, you redirected that article for no good reason and you continued to guard that article ever since. Furthermore you can drop the childish lie that you keep spreading that my google test was false, it was proven by ThaddeusB to be correct. [7] PRODUCER (talk) 05:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
The only thing that PRODUCER doES (99% of HIS activities) is REVERTING. (WP:SPA) nothing useful from him so far.One of the most funny things is an "expert" who is accusing me for nationalism and POV without realizing that he is doing that himself.--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 09:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
See this :[8]
What a joke, your purposely using .hr for agreement and .com for meeting to skew the results. Proof for my results confirmed by ThaddeusB. "Karadjordjevo agreement" -wikipedia = [9] "Karadjordjevo meeting" -wikipedia = [10] PRODUCER (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Čeha used it. with English as target language+Plus my research on in English. --Añtó| Àntó (talk) 15:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Alright you two, seeing as how this no longer really concerns me and it's starting to get off topic would you please take it somewhere else?--SKATER Speak. 17:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


We's everywhere!! Anyways - I'm not the only /b/tard sysop - not by a long shot, just that people keep their heads down, y'know? How many admins on here have their ED membership on their userpage ;) - Alison 05:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Not many, Maybe a category should be created eh? Actually no...bad idea I prefer to troll, not be trolled by my /b/rothers. Anon forever,--SKATER Speak. 14:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


{{talkback|Kingoomieiii}} King Öomie 15:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

You might find these interesting, limited as you are (on occasion) to using a school computer-
Looks great! Except my flash drive got stolen the other day. When I get another I'll definetly take a look, Thanks!--SKATER Speak. 02:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
What's an 8gb flashdrive these days? $30? Hah, I remember way back (five years ago) when they were like $150. Now you can pay just over twice that and get one 16 times its capacity. --King Öomie 14:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Around 20 actually, holds everything I need too (backup school work, Programs, ways to bypass the Admin, games etc) with 2 gigs to spare. I actually traded for my new one, two 256 MB sticks of RAM for an 8 gig flashdrive.--SKATER Speak. 15:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
>ways to bypass the Admin
Easily the most important content on that drive. --King Öomie 15:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Funny, they were watching me as they typed that. I didn't know I could eject that fast...--SKATER Speak. 15:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Meh, flashdrives don't need to be ejected through Safely Remove Hardware unless they're in the middle of a file operation. If they have a status LED, and it's not blinking, you can just pull it out. --King Öomie 15:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
And I'm glad to see we have such a cordial relationship, seeing as it started with me snapping at you like a retard. --King Öomie 15:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Me too, A wise man once said that "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.", You should thank 67/Spooky for that.--SKATER Speak. 20:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm sure that'll be the first thing I say to him when he's unblocked next March. Right after I go down the line rolling back his genre edits to Foos articles. Check out your archive box- I gave it a new coat. --King Öomie 19:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect unconstructive marking

In August you thought I was making unconstructive edits to a page. This was my own former talk page. I had just undergone a name change moving away from my real name and was ensuring that the page was deleted. Thanks for ensuring that future edits are actually unconstructive before marking them as such. Naipicnirp (talk) 15:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Really now? I'm sorry for marking the edit as unconstructive if it truly wasen't (not that I can tell since the page was deleted), but back from august? I mmake a lot of edits per month (1000 in september I believe) Mistakes are bound to happen. The "Thanks for ensuring that future edits are actually unconstructive before marking them as such" seems a little unescessary.--SKATER Speak. 02:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
It's a safe bet that someone's up to no good when they go marking someone else's userpage for deletion. Perhaps an edit summary would have avoided this. --King Öomie 14:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Touché. Nobody had explained to it to me like that, Kingoomieiii. Thanks. Naipicnirp (talk) 17:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
No problem. --King Öomie 17:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


You are doing good patrolling--but watch out for articles about professors. Full professors at major universities are overwhelmingly likely to meet the standards of WP:PROF. For the purposes of CSD A7, anyone even indicating they are a professor anywhere is making at least an assertion of notability,l and wouldn't qualify for speedy--but might possibly be deleteable via prod or AfD. Ditto for anyone where the article asserts a book (except self published), or any other significant creative work--you'd need to search first, so it needs WP:BEFORE and then AfD if you cannot find anything. (Musicians, though, have their own rules for speedy--see WP:CSD A7) DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I was debating whether that was a good tag or not, I didn't think that being a professor was Notable enough. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for letting me know.--SKATER Speak. 14:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - expanding the Outline of Knowledge - 2009-10-05

Time for some catching up...

Special award and thanks to Buaidh

Congratulations and kudos to Buaidh, the first recipient of the Wikipedia World Developer Award, and the first inductee into the Outline of Knowledge WikiProject's Hall of Fame.

The award was announced about 2 months agos on the WikiProject's talk page, and on Wikipedia's Community Bulletin Board.

Buaidh created the historical outlines for all of the U.S. States, the U.S. capital, and most of the U.S. insular areas. He has also worked indefatigably day after day, improving all of the outlines of the U.S. States, and the outlines of all of the countries of the world!

Who's been up to what?
  • Buaidh, working hard on the country outlines.
  • Highfields, MacMed, and I worked on the see also sections of the subject articles corresponding to the outlines (adding or updating the links to the relevant outlines and indexes).

Discussions can sure be frustrating - try getting a proposal through on a guideline's talk page sometime. Most of the time, it seems like the opposition is mindlessly following each other, like...

Zombies. (You've got to see this).

Outline of Knowledge

Yes, it's a proper noun. It's only proper, since we also have an article called Outline of knowledge which is about knowledge generically.

OOK expansion!

After a couple month vacation, I'm ready to slam the gas pedal to the floor. Are you?

Things are speeding up!

Take a look...

New to the OOK

The following outlines have been added to the OOK within the past couple of months or so. Some of them were renames, some of them brand new, and some of them recently discovered after sitting in article space for awhile as orphans.

Here's some more pages that have been renamed to outlines even more recently, but that need to be converted to OOK format:

Lists to merge into outlines

The following pairs of pages are content forks and need to be merged:

Not sure what to rename these to
Rough outlines, renamed/moved to draft space
Lists that can be structured into decent outlines

Only a few hundred more to go.  :)

The Transhumanist 04:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Your move of Forensic meteorology to Forensic Meteorology

Hi, that move was incorrect per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) and I've undone it. Best,  Sandstein  11:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok, Thanks for letting me know. --SKATER Speak. 14:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Tutorial one

hello, tutorial one is done. Thanks. Ecoman24 (talk page) 17:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wiki libs

Hmmmmmmmmm --King Öomie 18:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

No way...and they called us a Cabal. --SKATER Speak. 19:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
And there at the bottom,  Confirmed by checkuser. That's the part that gets me. --King Öomie 20:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I know... makes you wonder a lot of things, Hopefully Libs can justify this.--SKATER Speak. 20:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
And the cherry on top, a one month block.--SKATER Speak. 00:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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Your honor!

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I plead not guilty of harrassing AlanKC. Please read what we have said to eachother on both of our talk pages please and thank you and hopefully you will fairly see my point of view of this whole thing. Do what you think is right!

It aaaaaaaaaaaall starts on the section VH1 DIVAS on MY talk page

and on HIS talk page it starts on Kelly Clakrson VH1 Divas and for the reason why I called him a liar is at the last section of the page. Sorry but I don't really know how to link you or redirect you there. That'd make your task easier but again sorry. :[

oh and please read everything i said to you also please and thanks!
--Homezfoo (talk) 08:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Your tone, once again proves inappropriate for Wikipeda. Cut all the "Your honor" sarcasm, it's not needed here. To link to pages on Wikipedia use [[Name of Aricle]] to do a link Like this then use [[Name of Article|What you want it to say]] Instead. --SKATER Speak. 14:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

So did you read all the stuff? Or do you want me to link you to them? Or can I please just forget about this whole thing and save my breath, put it behind me, and delete all that stuff off my talk page? --Homezfoo (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Eeeeeh. Just please forget about that whole crapfest of a thing and lets just move forward. Someone else(oh snap! see that? I just linked you to someone! I'm smERT! =D) told me that i can delete all that stuff off my talk page but that its still on record... whatever that means. It was actually Alan KC who made a big mess over a tiny stain. He accused me of harrasing him which made me flip and brought so much crap onto me.
But daaaang that is the LAST time I'll ever call someone a poopie head on wikipedia again! Who gets offended over such a silly thing? Lol. Wowzers.

okay bye. --Homezfoo (talk) 10:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me...

But I 've had to remove your joining comment, [[11]], from the page. The part of the project is for historical reference. Abce2|This isnot a test 00:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh Wow! How'd I not notice the giant ass red x! I'm sorry about that.--SKATER Speak. 03:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Um Can I just say...

Okay I know I said i'd put this crap behind me but can I just say something quickly and get it off my chest?

Okay, well I think its really rude that the Alan KC guy never admitted his own mistake about him thinking the Kelly Clarkson picture I upload was the same as another Kelly Clarkson picture. Look at THIS too. And it kind of shocks me a bit too since he is 40 years old and he is older than me and should be more responsible for his actions. I called him a liar in the beginning because I thought he purposely removed the picture because he didn't like it and I thought that wikipedia always wanted the most recent picture of a person's article as their default picture even if it were bad quality but I didn't know that but now I do so that is why I put it back but then someone else told me that it was poor quality and I realized that and I agreed.

I then called Alan KC a poopie head because he told me that the two pictures were the same. I scrolled down and noticed that they were NOT the same so I called him a poopie head because shit head sounds much worse and I was gonna put the picture back but I had to do more important things for my life at that time. Then he got offended I guess because I called him a poopie head (which is such a silly thing to get offended by, he should've just ignored it right then and there. I should have ignored what he said about the pictures being the same as well but I wanted to improve Kelly Clarkson's article because her default picture is old) and told an administrator who told me to quit with the personal attacks which I had no idea what those were on Wikipedia at that time.

So I then deleted all that stuff of my page cause I wanted to put it behind me but oh my god it came back eeeeek!

The next day, I logged in and they were reverted back by none other than Alan KC. He told me that I couldn't remove them that "it was a no no" and to read the rules or something like that. So then I was like uuuuuuuuh okay then. So... I didn't want to get in trouble with wikipedia cause I like editing articles on here for some reason, so I just left what he reverted back there but then the same administrator I think he reported me to, deleted what he reverted back on my talk page and told Alan KC that I CAN delete it off my talk page so I was like woo hoo! And in my mind I was like suck on that Alan KC. So then, I couldn't keep myself together from writing this to him on his talk page (Sorry for not specificly linking you to what I wrote, its because he archived the page and it made it harder for me to find my edit on his talk page history section). Which resulted in the administrator AMALTHEA to say this to me. That I should'nt gloat because my ass was on water-thin ice which made me think what the hell because all I ever did was call him a poopie head and a liar. I'm surprised he got offended by poopie head so that made me write:

"Oh God, Lord forbid that I ever get blocked from wikipedia for calling someone a mr. meanie pickle face next time. Oh the horror! I guess that's a personal attack here and you will suffer the consequences!"

Which is what he quoted from me to you which made me sound like a complete asshole who was pushing people's buttons but I'm not. So then I, being the responsible and kind person that I am, apologized to Alan KC for calling him that and then I told him about the Kelly Clarkson pictures not being the same because he said they were! So I tried to break the ice and be friends by offering him some virtual ice cream and then I complimented him on the things that he does. Now that i read it, it does kind of sound sarcastic and mean but its not! Curse how the keyboard makes you sound like sometimes! I actually tried to be nice to him but it was misunderstood. So then Alan KC gave me a warning badge for harrassing other editors. And again I was like "what the heeeeeeeeck!". I never said I was [harrasing him like he said:

Please press Ctrl + F to find the quote "You even admit on my talk page you've been coming on here lately for the purpose of harassing me." - from Alan KC on my talk page.

That was NEVER EVER my intention. All i really wanted to do was tell him about the kelly clarkson pics not being the same so he could realize his mistake and not make a similiar one in the future. And maybe also so he could apologize to me for saying that they were? But anyway, I guess he got offended by that as well which made me write this on his talk page. And then I met you. And I met you again here. And then I wrote something right there in that section to you. And then all hell broke loose and some random user gave me the "trout" and told me to kapish myself at the bottom of this page. And then again I was like what the heck. So i gave up trying to defend myself cause it obviously just made things worse. And now I am here writing this to you.

I just wanted to say all this cause it has been bugging me a bit because I got all this thrown at me and I was like WHOAH slow down there cowboy. Yeah it was wrong for me to call him a liar and a poopie head, but I didn't know that before and I also thought he removed the pic on purpose and lied and said to me that they were the same. Or maybe he DID do that in purpose? Who knows because he never said anything else to me besides tell me that, and revert my page, and give me a warning, and reported me to you. But anywaaaaaaaaaaaaaays,

And I also don't feel like you did not do the right thing here and I feel like I didn't get to explain myself very well so that is why I also wrote this. So NOW that I wrote all this..... I can move on with my life and make awesome edits to articles on wikipedia. :D And like Alan KC said on his talk page, he is no longer worth my time as well. :)

Hopefully this fire has been resolved now.

Okay thanks for reading and listening Skater.
Bye! =]
--Homezfoo (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Marcus Davis (American Football)

Hi, I came across this while stub-sorting. Couple of points:

  • When you create an article with a disambiguation in brackets, please remember to make a link from the undisambiguated version - in this case I've added the necessary "hatnote" at Marcus Davis, but sometimes it'll be a case of adding to a disambiguation page.
  • The standard disambiguation phrase is "(American football)" with lower case "f"
  • The name in the infobox was Joseph Clayton - I've changed it, but I wonder whether the rest of the stuff in the infbox is Clayton or Davis? You might need to check.

PamD (talk) 15:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for those fixes, still not the best article writer out there. The rest of the info actually is Davis, I just copied the box from Ju-Ju's Page and just forgot too change the name.--SKATER Speak. 16:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ju-Ju Clayton

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Marcus Davis (American football)

Hi Skater. I noticed your articles on Ju-Ju Clayton and Marcus Davis (American football). While I'm a proponent of articles on college football players, these two articles appear to fall below even the most liberal notability threshold. There are many who take the position that college football players are not notable unless they've won one of the major college football awards (e.g., Heisman, Unitas, Lombardi, Maxwell, Outland, Butkus, Doak Walker, Biletnikoff, etc.). I think that's far too narrow and that an All-American, All-Conference, or established star player for a big-time football program (like Va. Tech) should be recognized as notable. But absent significant, non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media focused on the player (i.e., not simply mentions in game coverage), a backup player or a freshman who has just scored his first touchdown doesn't cut it. There are plenty of notable players who need articles, so I certainly hope the AfD on Ju-Ju doesn't discourage your continued work on college football articles. Cbl62 (talk) 00:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Nah, I understand where Giants is coming from and it dosen't discourage me in the least. I just read about them in the paper in the other day and figured "Hey, they don't have articles.".--SKATER Speak. 10:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Lewis Baker

Please move this page back since (gridiron football) is the correct term since he has played two codes of football.--Giants27(c|s) 18:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done sorry about that, I thought that American Football was the same as gridiron, since the sport is called by most other countries American Football--SKATER Speak. 19:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
That's what I figured, but this article should clear it up. Plus WP:NCSP#Gridiron football gives other naming conventions for Gridiron football players.--Giants27(c|s) 19:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, those links are pretty helpful I'll keep them in mind in the future.--SKATER Speak. 19:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI comments

Hi, Skater. Not really a big deal, but comments such as this aren't really helpful or productive. In general, it's best to only post if you have something useful to contribute to the discussion. Don't want to come across as rude, but just something to keep in mind. Cheers! –Juliancolton | Talk 02:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the heads up. Oh and Thanks for scaring the hell outta me...I saw the subject and about freaked out.--SKATER Speak. 03:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Editor review archived

Since it has been well over 30 days since you requested to be reviewed, I've gone ahead and archived your request as part of my effort to cleanup Editor Review. You may view your review here. Thanks & happy editing. If you have any questions, please message me on my talk page. =D Netalarmtalk 05:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.--SKATER Speak. 05:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Repost of Devin Frischknecht

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He's baaaaaack

Show me an IP editor who mass-edits foo fighters articles with edit summaries including both the phrases "Post-grunge" and "are you serious?", and I'll show you an editor circumventing a six month block. →User talk:Enigmaman#Ugh← --King Öomie 22:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice, sorry I missed the party.--SKATER Speak. 02:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Naw, it's fine. It warms the heart thinking of him red-faced with rage over being blocked again. As though no one would notice his edits. --King Öomie 23:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
"I think I'll go change the genre on the Foo Fighters Aga-FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU"--SKATER Speak. 23:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

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