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Ultras

What is it with your fascism on the Ultras page? Comrades are a real, and very much alive ultras group.

explain yourself. Quindie (talk) 20:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Number 1, since when has deleting unsourced content been refered to as facism, find a valid link like stated that is not the groups website then me or other users wouldn't delete it. There you go I've "explained myself" Footballgy (talk) 06:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


Yes, indeed. Thanks for your assistance there. He's getting reported again when I get a chance. - Dudesleeper talk 03:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk page edits

Users, including IPs, are allowed to blank comments, including warnings, from their talk pages - see WP:BLANKING. Putting them back just leads to edit wars; and your edit summary here is unnecessary taunting. Leave the IP alone, please. JohnCD (talk) 15:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Fair comment John, It was just my way of paying them a little bit of there own medcine for reverting my edits and consistently vandalising pages numerous times. I wasn't planning on an edit war, just thought I'd show him how annoying it can be when people purposley delete work or change them for there own amusement. But your right, I'll stop, and I hope they've learnt there lesson. Many regards Footballgy (talk) 15:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Grimsby Town

Sure, I'll give it a go. VEOonefive 22:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The edits I made to the History section were because the section gives far too much emphasis on recent years. The section should reflect the history of the club over its history with balance. Additionally, there were many instances where a neutral point of view was not adhered to: "a very respectable 11th place", "hit a wonderous 35 yard strike", etc. are phrases that aren't very encyclopaedic. On top of this, there are almost no references, but you removed the tag highlighting this without adding a single ref. Not sure where your accusation of "dumbing down" the article is coming from. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not being funny but as always with you its a conflict of differences. This article has been monitored and slowly improved by myself and a few others over the past 3 or so years and every so often you come along and delete large chunks of work from the article based upon your own personal preferences, I have seen as well that this kind of thing seems to be your main trait while editing on Wikipedia and that in the past you have had countless editing conflicts such as this. Maybe in the future you should try improve or at least help your fellow editors by improving articles for the better instead of unneccesarily deleteing peoples work. I do agree that the article had a fair bit of POV, to which I have now removed and will keep more of an eye out for in the future. This page has been improved over a long period of time and has been expanded just perfectly fine. By dumbing down I meant that you don't ever come and improve an article, or talk with any of the monitoring editors who look after certain articles you seem to blast in to it like a bull in a china shop chop, change and reduce the size of the article to which then you encounter editing conflicts such as this. I completley agree with the history section but there are no detailed sources to work from on the internet and until I can find a good day or so to open a couple of Grimsby Town history books I have then the past history section is going to feel a little neglected. Even so the recentism you accused the article of is hardly that bad, it's not as if there are several paragraphs on 1899 to 2002 for example and 50 on 2002-2010. Like I said the article is improving but it dosen't happen over night. I'm not being funny but don't expect me to sit around and watch you alter / change or delete massive chunks of work that I feel are perfectly fine and that have been on the page perfectly for a long while. Please either improve the article or don't edit at all. Footballgy (talk) 11:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Oscar Gobern

Mea culpa! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 10:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Different treatment?

Hi there FOOTBALLGY, VASCO from Portugal here,

Regarding your interactions with User:Raulseixas, i have to say the following, since i have been dealing with him extensively (more than dealing, which may have negative connotations, i'll say "interacting"): yes, one must keep in mind one's editing the ENGLISH WP, not the Spanish or whatever.

If so, why are (some, three or four) German users allowed to have their way in the depiction of German clubs in infoboxes (please see this very lengthy discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_48#German_football_names)? This en En.Wikipedia no? Quite difficult to grasp this approach on Raul. Regards, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 02:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Vasco, I am not trying to pick at Raul, it's just like I said before most of his contributions are seemingly disruptive or controversial in some ways. Although I think he is not doing it to be irritating or to just be a vandal, he needs to realise the more he works against everybody else..the more he will end up seeing his editing privileges taken away from him. Footballgy (talk) 16:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Regarding Assulin, i have begun a(nother) discussion at WP:FOOTY, and have also notified Raul about that. Whatever emerges from the forum (although i have little intention in editing the article which concerns us), i will abide by. Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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Club names

First of all, I started this discussion on WT:FOOTY. Second of all, ever since I've been on Wikipedia, we've always plotted A.C. Milan as Milan and F.C. Internazionale Milano as Internazionale. We never used AC Milan or Inter Milan in any reference. Sorry about the attitude, but I'm just trying to make this clear. – Michael (talk) 20:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Cleethorpes Town F.C. for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cleethorpes Town F.C. is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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IP Vandal

Hi Dreadstar, I noticed on 24 February 2011 you blocked the IP User 81.109.92.81 for 30 days due to vandalism. I have had problems with this specific user both under this account and his previous defunct alias, IP 82.5.224.162. This user consistently vandalizes football related articles mainly adding nonsensical sentences or incorrect infomation, mainly on the Grimsby Town F.C. page amongst others. Following the ban he has returned to the page and started adding the same old tripe, and as you can see by his talk page I have been hitting my head against a brick wall with this guy for months now. I have warned him numerous times about his edits but he continues to dumb down articles at his own leisure. I thought I would bring this to your attention as you were the administrator who blocked him before. Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Footballgy (talk) 15:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I see one was blocked for six months, and I've blocked the sock. Dreadstar ☥ 15:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

User 81.109.92.81

Hi, Footballgy. I think this vandalizing user has returned as 81.109.94.184, as the contributions seem to be very familiar, including vandalism to the Grimsby Town F.C. page again, which I reverted. --90.199.49.194 (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Still need help with this? Dreadstar ☥ 19:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes please Footballgy (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Blocked. Dreadstar ☥ 23:56, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Grimsby Town Kits Reply

Iv'e done the Grimsby Town kits, let me know what you think.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 21:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Returned IP Vandal

Hi again. Since you told me to let you know if that IP vandal returned, I think he has returned as 81.109.92.88, as he seems to be editing the same pages, never filling in the edit summary and still making some pointless edits. 90.199.49.194 (talk) 22:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Grimsby Town

Fair enough, I didn't realise they were under contract. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: IP User: 81.109.92.88

Hi Footballgy. Thanks for the links. He certainly seems to have been busy. I'm guessing he's probably hopping ip addresses, which I think can either be because of his server, or as a result of creating proxies. I tend to think it's probably the former rather than the latter here though because of the range number. I know my ip address is sometimes in the 81 range and it changes practically every time I log on. I think also sometimes they're allocated to several users at one time, which can be a bit of a nuisance when you get someone who misuses their editing privileges. If you haven't done this already, best thing to do might be to mention it at one of the admin noticeboards and they'll keep an eye on the situation. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandal reporting

You may want to keep WP:AIV handy, because you seem to keep running into this IP. WP:TWINKLE allows you to directly report users based on a particular edit, you may want to try it. --Gyrobo (talk) 00:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I will give it a go. Cheers Footballgy (talk) 00:26, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:Returned IP Vandal

Hi again. It's probably worth mentioning this at WP:ANI and an admin can take a look through the various edits (I'm not one so can't really do that much). The usual remedy for this sort of behaviour is to block the IP, but it may not be feasible here because it's probably a shared address, and the user appears to have a dynamic IP. Good luck anyway. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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Ian Miller

I've checked the source you mentioned and again it states "set" to sign. Try to check sources more thoroughly in the future before reverting correct edits Spc 21 (talk) 12:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC).

Don't patronise me, I was fully aware of that, but reverting it back several hours before the 1st was a complete waste of time, seeing as he the transfer had been confirmed. Footballgy (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re:Problem user returns

Sounds as though you're on the right track with this. You might also be able to file a sock puppet investigation if it's too much of a problem, although I'm not certain of this. I must confess I've only done a couple of those, and the last was about three years ago so I've forgotten how to do it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 23:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:IP vandal

Hi Footballgy. He certainly seems to be doing some strange things. If you haven't come across it yet, you may also find this quite interesting as it seems to deal with the same issue about future edits, etc. If it is the same guy add him to the category as it seems to be an endemic problem. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul, thanks for the reply, and thanks for bringing that to my attention, Very interesting. I will keep you informed on any devlopments.Footballgy (talk) 02:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I've also added the sock tags to all the known previous IP's I have had problems with. Footballgy (talk) 02:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Just got another one. 86.41.23.214 looks very suspicious. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
One option you might consider is to file a request for a sockpuppet investigation as this is getting quite disruptive now. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I think it could be quite difficult to stop him, but I added him to the category anyway. Placing the {{sockpuppet|GMTV Chart Show}} tag on his user page does that I think. Paul MacDermott (talk) 10:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Just tagged another one. This is getting to be rather like a game of Whac-a-Mole. I wonder if it's not possible to ask Eircom to do something about this. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
It certainly is an option, something has to give. On the other coin how many hours of his life has he wasted on these pointless edits? Something needs to be done, he seems to take up 50% of my online time nowadays, sad I know. Footballgy (talk) 17:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Carlos Tévez

Just a quick inquirey in regards to when you undid my contribution to Tévez stating that he was loaned from West Ham to Man Utd, you stated that this did not actually happen... But I do not understand how he was loaned in the first place if it was not from West Ham, could you please explain to me what happened as I do not completely understand it! Thanks User:181hamburgerwcheese (talk) 9 March 2012 (AEST) —Preceding undated comment added 07:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC).

Hi there, the Tevez situation is certainly a very complicated issue, one that has confused editor's for a while on the Tevez page. He was technically owned by his agent Kia Joorabchian's company, so when he signed for United it was on a loan deal from his agent. His agent had payed West Ham United £2 million to make him a free agent, and then loaned him to United for two years. When he joined Manchester City they paid his agent for him. All this is explained in the links on the Tevez page, although I must admit the whole thing confuses me from time to time, though to put Tevez's spell at United as loan in the infobox though makes it appear as if he was on loan from West Ham. Regards Footballgy (talk) 16:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Martin Pringle

Hi there GY, VASCO here,

can we find some common ground in this player article's introduction? My reasoning is that intros should never be a "second storyline", as the word says it's just a summary for the proper contents. Furthermore, sadly Pringle's career was not very long and/or important.

Another thing which i think must be cut from the introduction is the reference to his AMATEUR Swedish club, it's of no relevance whatsoever, and it's referred to in PLAYING CAREER, that suffices in my opinion. Also, when you corrected my version, you left an error, saying his horrific injury was for Charlton, it was not, but with Grimsby (he too was injured at Charlton, but nothing not even near as serious as his last one).

Maybe we can continue discussing the contents, or not if you like my last version. Attentively, happy editing from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  • OK, no chance whatsoever (i was trying to reach a compromise between your intro and mine, but i guess it's "not possible", i still don't know why do we need mention of an amateur club in intro, maybe it's just me that's getting the WP procedures all wrong). Out of respect for your work, i won't edit the article again, no worries. Ah, but i provided some "breathing space" in the intro, separating manager and player stuff. Is that not OK also? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Jason Barnett and sourcing

Hello, and thanks for a prompt response. However, for sourcing the non-notable employment of a living person once they've finished their notable employment, the Biographies of living persons guideline would definitely require a reliable published source, and a list of "where are they now" on a fansite wouldn't qualify. In that particular case, it's also five years old and doesn't mention taxi driving, which is the bit I removed, and will remove again after posting this. The rest of the stuff is readily sourceable to reliable sources, but until someone's done it, please leave the tag in place. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 11:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, it's perfectly understandable and not a problem. I do live in Lincoln and I know for a fact Jason Barnett works as a taxi driver / guy with a clipboard at the taxi rank for Handsombe Cabs in the city centre. I've spoken to him a few times, but Im affraid I just couldn't find a source that was better unless you can find one, I don't know. I know he has nothing to do with football from either a playing, coaching or media perspective hence the lack of relevant links available on the internet Footballgy (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Sums up the difference between writing for an encyclopedia and writing for a fansite or on a forum, doesn't it? On one medium, we can safely say what we know for a fact, so long as it isn't blatantly libellous, but on the other, anything we write, particularly about real people, and even more particularly about low-profile real people like Mr Barnett now is, has to be reliably sourced and important enough to be worth including in a brief upsum of his biog. If the local paper or LCFC's website does a where are they now that mentions his current job, then put it back in, but it's not all that vital a piece of info, given his entire LCFC playing career only gets 3 short lines... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Andy Cook (footballer born 1990)

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Nomination of Andy Cook (footballer born 1990) for deletion

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Conference notability

Hi, thanks for getting in touch. When !voting on footballers at AfDs there are two guidelines editors go by; WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. WP:NFOOTBALL dictates that "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable", which as you point out Church hasn't, with him having played no higher than the Conference National. WP:GNG (General notability guideline) reads "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list". Basically, for an article to be kept, it needs to pass at least one of these two guidelines. So for the Church article to be kept you will need to prove that the player has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Whether that is possible I'm not sure; with him having played 28 games at Conference level (as his highest level of play) I would reckon it'll be difficult establishing that he's received "significant coverage". So my recommendation is to scour the web for sources to use in expanding the article. As a starting point I'd recommend going through the BBC archives and local rags like the Grimsby Telegraph and the Boston Standard. As you say he's played for England C, but that doesn't count for much in itself unless it's garned more media coverage of the player. If you have difficulty tracking down sources feel free to give me a shout. This is another reason for your lot to get back into the Football League I guess (as if there weren't enough reasons anyway...). Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Matty, do you think there will be any changes in this in the future? My Wikipedia time has been some what slashed in recent months due to work commitments, however I still try to keep tabs on Grimsby Town related article's to the best I can. I doubt I have enough time to trawl the net for the Church links before it's deleted. Thanks Matty Footballgy (talk) 15:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Andy Cook (footballer born 1990) for deletion

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Andi Thanoj

Hi there, I guess it will really be down to if we can get alot of sources, it's quite easy when it is a striker as their is more chance of notability with the likes of Andy Cook i.e. scoring goals etc. Charlie I'Anson, hasn't been pulled as yet, I expected it to be as their isn't much history/info on him to get sources from, I would guess the same being for Shaun Pearson and Andi Thanoj. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelly 1975 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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RE:

The article Conoco Stadium no longer exists after being nominated for AfD and now redirects to the main GTFC page. The Conoco Stadium is no longer planned or going to happen, hence the new site at Peaks Parkway being muted. Conoco as a company also no longer exists.RM-Taylor (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Darlington

Darlington FC was never liquidated. The FA forced us to change our name.

The players signing on to Darlington 1883.

You're incorrect. You're a Grimsby Town fan and not clued up on our scenario.

Legality trumps the FA. We are legally the same club under a new playing name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I am clued up on it, I have followed your plight with a lot of dismay for you guys, a good friend of mine is a Darlington fan, but all that is besides the point. What I say and what was on the page is backed up in the relevant news sources, so I am affraid it stays. Footballgy (talk) 13:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

You're not legally right. You haven't backed it up because you haven't provided a source which says we were liquidated.

Give me a source right now that states Darlington Football Club were liquidated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 13:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Darlington Football Club was dissolved by the Football Association's ruling. All links are availble on Wikipedia. The FA refer to you as a new club, hence why there is a seperate page for the new club. You may have the same staff, players, groundsman...who ever but under the FA ruling Darlington 1883 are a new club, which mean the DFC dissolved when 1883 entered the Northern League. By continuing to change this on Wikipedia may eventually see your I.P address banned from editing, as you are working against verified sources.Footballgy (talk) 13:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

We were not liquidated.

No, we weren't liquidated, like I said, give me a source which clearly states that Darlington Football Club entered the process of liquidation.

You see, the company which owned Darlington Football Club, Darlington 2009 Ltd, went into liquidation way after we were placed into the Northern League. Now, please take into account that the company and the football club are two different entities, and it is natural procedure for the old company to be liquidated after the assets and liabilities are transferred over from the old company to the new company; which Darlington1883, the fans group, did when they completed the takeover of Darlington Football Club in early May 2012. So since we are legally the same club, we are paying the deffered wages of the players who were situated in the 'old club' (in your book). I bet that's the first 'new club' to do that, I suspect.

The name Darlington 1883 is exactly what it says on the tin; a mere playing name. So say if the FA told Grimsby Town FC to change their name to Grimsby Town 1878 FC, and Grimsby went along with that, then it does not automatically mean that they are a new club with over a 100 years of history erased, and the same applies for Darlington FC.

Please do explain how we are not the same club when we transferred the badge, name, nickname, assets, liabilities ETC all over to the new company which currently owns Darlington 1883? Or please do explain why we are a new club when Mike Appelby, an employee at the FA, explained that the FA's aim was not to take the history from Darlington? Or could you also explain why we are allowed to use the name 'Darlington FC' on our official website, official club shop (online and offline), our unnoficial forum, and also on different types of merchandise?

Or can you explain the decison from the FA to class us as a new club, only to enter us into step 5 of the non-league pyramid when the deadline had passed for the entries and thus, by law, being a new club, we should have not been allowed to participate in any competition due to, obviously, missing the deadline.

See AFC Rushden and Diamonds. Brand new club after the old club was liquidated. They missed the deadline and were therefore not allowed to play in a competitive league; albeit their youth side could play in a youth league. Their first team could only participate in a competitve league after a whole year had passed, in step 6 of the non-league pyramid.

Legality trumps anything what the FA says, and the FA make no laws up on insolvency; I'd rather take the word of an insolvency expert and the Darlington board members when they say we legally are the same club rather than the FA who know nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

All I am going on is what is in the links, and what is provided, according to the FA like I said you are a new club, there are links to say that, hence why Wikipedia is set in that way. Footballgy (talk) 14:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Reply..

No, what you're going off is the F.A CLASSING us as a new club.

There are no articles which state that Darlington Football Club entered the procedure of liquidation so your little claims where you have said, "following the liquidation of Darlington Football Club", couldn't be further from the truth.

So no, LEGALLY, we are the same club. But you've stated that Darlington Football Club was liqudated, which it hadn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 14:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not being funny, but your argument is completely irrelevant to me. I am just here to maintain vandalism to the page, I initially set the 1883 page up but it has continued to grow under other users. Wikipedia works on sources, and there are sources to suggest that 1883 is a new club, which was generally floated around the media. Hence 1883 is a new club in the eyes of the football associaton, and the name DFC became obselite when 1883 were formed in the Northern League. I don't have much more time to dispute it, my sole purpose for reverting your edits was keeping the article in line with its provided sources and links, and thats what I will continue to do. Footballgy (talk) 14:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice that you didn't mention anything about Darlington Football Club, yes the football club, being liquidated which it states on the page.

If Wikipedia relies and works on sources, then go on, prove that Darlington Football Club was liquidated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 14:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Im officially lost in this conversation. You have spun my head, so to some it up in the smallest nut shell possible, DFC ceased and became no more when the FA ruled 1883 is a new club upon its entry into the Northern League. DFC are dissolved, liquidated, no more, finished, finito, caput! However you want to put it, because 1883 are viewed as a new club, they may not of been financially wound up but DFC are over as a club, no more obselite, done with, ended, no more. 1883 are viewed as a new club, so with that DFC are over. I am sure if you keep up with the edits to the page you will enter countless arguments with other's on the same subject. Footballgy (talk) 14:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

We legally own the rights for the name, badge, debts, nickname ETC.

And I'll sum it up for you too.

New company. New name. Same club.

If I called you an apple, does that mean you are one?

Same logic applies with the name change.

BTW, we're now on about what we LEGALLY are, not what the FA brands us as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 14:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

But viewed and treated as a new club. Hence 1883 is a new club, and DFC is no more, End of discussion I am affraid, there is no good debating it with me you are merely wasting your own time, as long as the article isn't vandalised and the sources are there to back it up then that's that. Footballgy (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep, we're definitely treated as a new club when we get to keep our history; like Mike Appelby said. (I'll give you a link to that if you want).

Yep, we're definitely treated as a new club when we miss the deadline for the entries, only to be placed into step 5 of the non-league pyramid.

Yep, we're definitely treated as a new club when we get to wear the same badge on our shirts.

And yep, we're definitely treated as a new club when we can legally use the name 'Darlington FC' on official websites and offline stores.

I view you as a plumsac, doesn't mean you are one though, does it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 14:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not even going to repeat myself, I've said all I am going to say on the matter, end of conversation. I am just a mere editor, I am not even a moderator so your argument falls on deaf ears I am affraid, but you are only going to hear more of the same. Footballgy (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Obviously I'm just putting legal points across to the person who edits the page and basically to someone who will not allow anyone else to do so without his say so!

But obviously you fail to understand them; I'm not the only person who thinks we are the same club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 15:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Christ sake, for a start I barely edit either page, DFC, 1883, and it's players are all in my watchlist, if anything I prevent vandalism on these pages and any other I have contributed to in the past. I helped mould the template of the 1883 page and added details about the stadium and squad etc. The rest has been moulded, linked and sourced by OTHER editors, admins and moderators. It was the other guys who worded the article and backed the claims up with sources. My dispute with you is that you edited these pages by removing links and sources that are valid and worked against the article by removing things that are backed up, also things that have been discussed and agreed on Wikipedia's football forum by other moderator's and admins, not including me I may add. I add all my attention to other articles, but if I see an I.P such as yours edit a page on my watchlist I check it for vandalism. And your edits in the eyes of Wikipedia were vandalism. To say I don't let anyone else edit the page is borderline childish, as you've obviously not looked into the article history with any great detail. You have told me your opinion, but Wikipedia isn't about opinions, and you aren't the first Darlington fan to contest all this 1883 new club mallarkey, and you won't be the last. Footballgy (talk) 15:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ever wondered why that was the case, then?

Most probably because both pages are un-true, I suspect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 17:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


Why what was the case? It's Un-true in your opinion, but not the FA's, and clearly Wikipedia is going by the Football Association, not the opinion's of Darlington supporters or some of its members. I hate to be rude, but I had better things to be doing / disccussing, you are preaching to the converted here. Unless altered by a moderator with supporting media links to back up your clean then I have no intention to change the page's in question. Footballgy (talk) 17:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Quote from Mike Appelby, an employee at the Football Association, on Monday June 18th 2012 at 15:54PM

"The decisions of The FA have not removed the history of Darlington FC. The history of the Club will remain. The FA recognises the importance of the history of a club particularly to its fans." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.67.115 (talk) 18:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

My friend you are borderline boring, borderline special! The history and traditions will carry on through the new club, blah blah yes I've read it, it still dosen't even put a blemish on the discussion. Yes the FA recognises the history of your club, etc etc etc etc. History dosen't go anywhere my friend, end of discussion. I am neither interested or bothered, you have suceeded in boring the tits out of me and wasting several hours of my time today. You are speaking to the wrong person for a start, and its falling on deaf ears, now if you want to refresh read my last comments, as I've explained to you time and time again my status within the Darlington page's, as long as people don't vandalise, remove links, remove sources and change the page to a state that is incorrect then I couldn't careless. A little hint though, the edits you made earlier will be reverted by other's if you do decide to edit again. Good night Footballgy (talk) 18:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

User:FishyPhotos

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Ross Hannah

Yep, no worries! GiantSnowman 15:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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Gerry Anderson

Thanks for the nice update! μηδείς (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. Footballgy (talk) 22:16, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Findmypast

We should not use this source, or similar, for full names etc., per WP:BLPPRIMARY - I have removed from the Ross Hannah article. GiantSnowman 15:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. I will re-add his full name then without the source. Footballgy (talk) 15:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I've removed as unreferenced ;) GiantSnowman 15:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay? so?....what now? Footballgy (talk) 01:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanoj

Hi. Yup, to pass WP:NFOOTBALL (point 1) he would need to have played for the senior Albanian team. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 00:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Frank Sinclair

Have updated the article to correct the league Colwyn Bay play in. This should be Conference North, not Northern Premier League. Cheers, mr8kc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr8kc (talk • contribs) 10:47, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

One Club Irrelevant - Micah

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Hey hello yes I am new and I do want to make a point by agreeing with some of the things you said and disagreeing with others. I am a welsh journalist so I know what I write and yes I know a lot about Zarrelli as I followed his career ever since the news about him broke. Unfortunately as you know we (the media) can make someone look great or bad in a minute...the latter was unfortunately a case with Zarrelli. Bangor City needed some publicity at the time for their new stadium application (never found investors to pursue it though) and the fact that Davenport came out with the news on the papers in October after Zarrelli had left in July and weeks after he had been sacked (officially for the failure of the clubs to move forward aka new stadium) should have been suspicious to the readers, but no one ever thought about it. Zarrelli never took any money or left trails of debts behind him,but press have no mercy so everyone jumped on the band wagon. These are few of the things I can tell you, but anyway what I am trying to tell you is not to believe in everything you read about him.Especially blog wise or local press from 2006 etc...Don't forget that Sky got involved incidentally when Davenport (jobless at the time) was working for them. Re the word confidence trickster it is a word that can be seen as defamatory, and the subject has never been in trouble with the law, otherwise believe me the local press would have been on it instantly. In regards of the TNS rumours, again, doesn't it seem strange to you that those rumours were linked to a welsh club that had just been kicked out of the Champions League by Liverpool?What a coincidence that Zarrelli had approached a club that was in a completely different area of Wales days after they were on National display...but then Zarrelli decided to go to Quay?!?Down the road from Bangor?Again, careful to what you read. I don't know about some people seeing him as a cult hero, but I know that some people don't like him because of the things that have been written about him, such as leaving girls with broken hearts behind them and bla bla bla...it was all a big gossip show and I am sure that the young Zarrelli, at the time, never realised nor wanted all of this and unfortunately did not imagine the noise that some local press in a small country like Wales could and would have raised. Dear friend, it was the typical example of wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people...and certainly, he didn't help,himself by exaggerating his cv...but wouldn't lie to have a crack at the professional game when 20 years old? You sound like a good guy,and yes if you are interested in other things I will be happy to help. Thanks Ipswicese41 (talk) 09:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello,agree on what you said,unfortunately it is not easy, if impossible to reference things when the whole story is nearly 10 years old. I would be careful in using the word con man as there is absolutely no evidence of him conning anyone.Again,it could be either slander or defamation of character and you would or could be dealing with that. If you pay attention, creditable sources like bbc or guardian never mention those words,because they know the consequences...just because a you tube user calls the video confidence trickster it does not mean you have to do it as well.The welsh premier league news were written by the secretary of the league and that was never an official website,once again the Welsh FA never got into the whole matter and never called him names, which once again should make you think about what you write.Again, the TNS is a rumour,no faxes or documents were sent,he only speaks about someone over the phone who got in touch with the club,and its not even an official note on their club website but just an interview to a local paper,again not a very creditable source,I'd rather call it an opinion. So if you don't want me to change it,since I know how to report and it is my job to do it then please do it correctly and write things using creditable references,not blogs or unofficial websites! As far as keeping you updated is concerned it will be my pleasure to feed you in,but things have to be reported correctly.Be sure that with me you would only get official sources,not the blogs or unofficial websites or someone's opinion... Keep in touch CheersIpswicese41 (talk) 15:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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hi

Hi, I see you was the last person to edit Danny Dyers wiki is there any chance you could for a few hours as a little joke edit his name to Malcolm Smith :) I'm sure it would make a fair few people laugh and I'd be posting it on keith Lemons twitter too!

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Humber Derby

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I know you contacted a user know as Eldumpo a few years ago when he attempted to remove detail from the Humber derby page. He recently attempted again, and removed all reference to Grimsby Town. I have restored it, and asked for more discussion on the talk page - but I thought I would mention it to you, as I know it was something you had had an issue with in the past. It might be worth keeping an eye on. Thanks Ph 1980 (talk) 20:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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Zarrelli

To whom it may concern,

Dear user,

I'm afraid but you are relying on information coming from a programme 10-12 years old here. Things have moved on, and new info have come to light,which have been put into the page to make it correct and updated. There are documents, papers and emails confirming Zarrelli's been there on trial as a Trainee at both Rangers (2001) and Sheffield Wednesday (2003) from Jan Derks and Hospital papers confirming Zarrelli injured himself whilst on trial at Sheffield Wednesday... the fact that a new programme was not made about them does not mean the current new info are incorrect, the programme also states that his brother never played for FC Torino in the Academy as a GK, when instead it is blatant and available for everyone to see that he spent time there between 1984 and 1991, so I'd take information last given in 2005 with a pinch of salt, especially some 11 years later.

I'm afraid but if you keep adding info that are outdated and keep calling or describing a person as a 'conman' without him ever being charged of anything similar (conning is fraudulent action which means criminal activity in English law) then you will have to be notified for slander and/or defamation of character.

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Peter Grotier

Hi there, I was just having a look at the Peter Grotier article and see that you added an infobox back in 2012. I realise this was quite a long time ago, but do you know where you got that info from? I ask because some of the data seems not to fit with Hugman and other sources. For instance (according to Hugman and my book source), the Cardiff City loan should be under West Ham and have different apps, and the Grimsby Town stats are wrong. However, Hugman does seem to have combined the Lincoln City loan and post-transfer apps, so I also wondered how you'd split them? I just wanted to check before I did any further work on the article. Thanks, Nzd (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Releasing players

They will not leave clubs until the end of the season ie 30 June. Please do not remove them until then. GiantSnowman 18:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Ross Hannah. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. GiantSnowman 19:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Ross Hannah. GiantSnowman 14:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

You have been here long enough to know the requirement to source all content about living people. Adding a Facebook link from their official page with a suitable edit summary probably would have been sufficient. Oh, and also bizarre edits like this also don't help...WP:CIR. GiantSnowman 15:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

That was not a mistake, you took two edits to do it? And I didn't threaten to block you for it, I warned you about adding unsourced content before that edit was made. GiantSnowman 15:49, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
You do not add content about a living person - particularly if that content has previously been challenged and removed - without a source. Why didn't you add a source at the same time? It doesn't matter if you are editing iPad or desktop or whatever. At the very least you should have added a summary such as "reference to follow in next edit" or something... GiantSnowman 16:23, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't know how many times I have to say this - use an edit summary!!! That will avoid issues like this in the future. GiantSnowman 08:35, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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March 2019

Hi there - Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. I've found a source for your edits at Ross Hannah, but please include one yourself in future. Thanks, GiantSnowman 08:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Footballer stats updates

Hi there - when you update stats for players can you please remember to also update the timestamp (the "club_update" field in the template). All you have to do is overtype the existing date with ~~~~~. Your recent edit to Jake Hessenthaler left the infobox stating that he had made 44 appearances for Grimsby as at early March, which simply isn't true and could confuse/mislead readers. Thanks! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of 2012–13 Grimsby Town F.C. season

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Proposed deletion of 2013–14 Grimsby Town F.C. season

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Hi, thanks for the heads up, personally I don't see the need to delete either article. Grimsby are a professional side and for each game, transfer signing and so forth you will find numerous sources and links online. If you care to check it out you could add hundreds of sources per page. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I don't really have time for Wikipedia like I used too, but it would be a shame to just delete pages without trying to save them. Cheers Footballgy (talk) 09:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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