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Contraception in the Reublic of Ireland[edit]

As per WP:BOLDTITLE Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead and WP:IRE-IRL An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance) where "Ireland" should be preferred and the island should be referred to as the "island of Ireland" or similar. The is most definitely a goverence article. Cheers. Murry1975 (talk) 15:07, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I know all that - what is "The availability of contraception in the Ireland was illegal from 1935 until 1980" supposed to mean? Hohenloh + 15:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
It means I made a boo-boo (not to be confused with bóbó). Murry1975 (talk) 15:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Rock of Cashel edits[edit]

Hi, Could you please stop deleting my posts from the Rock page? My family are buried in the Rock grounds going back many generations, my Great Uncle Florence being the most recent as of a few months ago. My grandmother and her siblings are the last of our family that are allowed to be buried within the Rock grounds. I will upload pictures and files as soon as wikipedia english allows me, due to the fact my account is new i have to wait 4 days before my account allows uploads.



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Real IRA[edit]

Please read the talk page before making reverts like this one. Neither the "validity" nor the sourcing of the information was in question, as you would have seen if you'd even read my edit summary. Can you answer the questions I asked on the talk page? Scolaire (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I saw your summary and I disagreed with it. That's all I'm going to say. Hohenloh + 14:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, I reverted your edit on the above - it is true. See also the James Joyce article. Regards Denisarona (talk) 07:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I know it's true. What I find improbable and unsourced is that the suburb is most famous for that - see wp:peacock. Hohenloh + 15:22, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

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Events happening in Dublin[edit]

Hi! As you tagged yourself as being in Ireland, I hope you don't mind me reaching out. We know have a recognised Wikimedia Community Ireland User Group and we have been running workshops and other events in Dublin and beyond. In case you are interested our next event will be this Saturday in Collins Barracks, you can find the details here. Smirkybec (talk) 15:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I'm a bit stuck for time at the moment but would like to stay in touch. Hohenloh + 19:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015[edit]

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Hello to the members of WikiProject Women writers! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. The proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that this proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you're interested in the talk (it does not signify you'll be attending the event). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 21:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


... is used by the England rugby team as its anthem, and is considered by many people, including Scots and Welsh as the English anthem.

It's f-ing tedious to suggest otherwise. As an Irishman you should know otherwise...-MacRùsgail (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Gertrude Bell[edit]

Hello, Hohenloh! You may be interested in two discussions regarding Gertrude Bell: User talk:CorinneSD#Your revert of my removal of unreferenced content and User talk:Rothorpe#Gertrude Bell. (I realize that these are not big issues.) Feel free to chime in. CorinneSD (talk) 19:34, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

At Tiptoe's request, I have moved the discussion to the article's talk page at Talk:Gertrude Bell#Was Gertrude Bell a spy? - CorinneSD (talk) 20:09, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Offering of some prose for the 'Pike Theatre' article.[edit]

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Thank you very much for creating the article on the Pike Theatre two days ago. I had included a red-inked entry for it in the List of Irish theatres and theatre companies on 6 May, as part of my current project to improve the article on Andy Irvine, who had performed there as an actor in the early 1960s; I was in the process of expanding the article with details on his prior career as an actor, and had noticed that the Pike was missing from the list, so I added it in red ink.
I am now wondering whether you might be interested in the following prose about what Irvine had to say about The Pike, extracted from Leagues O'Toole's book The Humours of Planxty:

The acting world, in which Andy was still professionally involved, soon paled in comparison to the potential depth of expression, not to mention social fun activities, that music offered. So, as music began to take precedence, he got the last of his acting impulses out of his system. 'I played in The Olympia, The Gate, The Eblana and The Pike Theatre, which was a tiny little forty-nine-seater. The Pike had closed after the debacle of a production of The Rose Tattoo, the Tennessee Williams play, which was deemed a little bit outrageous for Dublin in 1957. The show was closed and the theatre with it, and it had been 'dark' until these three girls took it over, one of whom was Deirdre McCartan[1], who later became Ronnie Drew's wife. The first show they put on was two one-act plays, one of which was The Zoo Story by Edward Albee. It lasted about forty-five minutes, but there were only two actors in it, and about fifteen pages of speech for me! Anyway, it went quite well.

—Leagues O'Toole, The Humours of Planxty.[2]:42

Although Irvine doesn't give precise dates about the above play, it is well documented that he moved to Dublin "in 1962"[2]:41 and that his last performance as an actor was in Sir Buccaneer at the Olympia Theatre, on 28 September 1964.[2]:42[3]

If this is of any interest to you, then please feel free to use as much or as little of it as you wish, and thank you once again for taking the initiative of adding the Pike Theatre to our encyclopaedia! Face-smile.svg

With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 13:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ Daughter of Patrick McCartan.
  2. ^ a b c O'Toole, Leagues (2006). The Humours of Planxty. Ireland: Hodder Headline. ISBN 03-4083-796-9. 
  3. ^ Sir Buccaneer. Page in Playography Ireland database at the Irish Theatre Institute website. Retrieved on 10 June 2015

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Seoirse Clancy.[edit]

Dear Hohenloh, Seoirse Clancy was born George Clancy; while at college he decided to devote himself to the Irish language and to Irish nationalism and asked that he be referred to as Seoirse Mac Fhlannchadha - the deanglicised form of George Clancy as he saw it, however as sometimes happened in such cases [e.g. Pádraig Pearse] he came to be known as a composite of those names: Seoirse Clancy. It is under this name that he was and is predominantly known. As such, this is why I changed the wiki article - to improve, correct, and make it more relevant.

Furthermore, one of the only two linked articles refers to him as Seoirse Clancy, the school that is named after him is called Gaelscoil Sheoirse Clancy when they could have called it 'Gaelscoil Sheoirse Mhic Fhlannchadha' or 'Gaelscoil George Clancy', and his family refer to him as Seoirse. All of the following articles referring to him as Seoirse come from The Grannary Library, Limerick - one of the main resources for information on him. The articles referring to him as George in the Limerick Chronicle during his lifetime and shortly after his death are not surprising considering the stance a then Unionist paper would take concerning names during that period.,%20george%2005.pdf,%20george%2004.pdf,%20george%2002.pdf

See my reply on your Talk page. Hohenloh + 10:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - John.

Seoirse Clancy.[edit]

The issue has never arisen because less than thirty people have the article on their watchlist. Few historians have addressed the issue, as in the same way few historians have gone into extended debate about Pádraig Pearse/Pádraic Pearse//Pádraig Mac Piarais/Pádraic Mac Piarais/Patrick Pearse.

Seoirse Clancy is and was predominantly known as such. He was born George Clancy, wished to be known as Seoirse Mac Fhlannchadha, and became known as a composite of these - this includes by his family, the school named after him, numerous articles and general conversation. As for his other two names, he was referred to as George Clancy before he changed his name, by the then Unionist Limerick Chronicle, and by people and historians who didn't know him or only had a surface knowledge of him; he is known as Seoirse Mac Fhlannchadha in Irish publications, while speaking in Irish, on the strand named after him [Trá Mhic Fhlannchadha], and on his gravestone.

The Manual of Style for Irish related articles clearly endorses this.

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RE: Ó hÍceadha[edit]

Well, Antony Hickey's article states he was: "... [B]orn at the Barony of Islands, County Clare, Ireland, Ó hÍceadha was a member of a bardic family." (BTW:time to start a second archive, I'd say, getting hard to navigate the sheer length). Yours, Quis separabit? 23:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Naw, I wouldn't accept that unsourced claim - as you kindly pointed out, the article is devoid of citations. I visited the Hickey heartland (Clare) a few months ago for a bit of family research and did not come across any associations with bards. We'll see...Hohenloh + 00:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Italian Wikipedia article - translation/proofreading request :)[edit]


I'm trying to improve our article on the Vajont dam disaster in Italy. Not surprisingly the Italian Wikipedia article is better than ours. I've done a rough machine translation including cites but it's not great. I need help not to introduce errors into the expanded article. Any chance of help with proofreading and correcting the rough translation?

Thank you! FT2 (Talk | email) 07:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

It's a fairly long article and due to its technical subject-matter not exactly my cup of tea, but I've added it to my to-do list and will proof-read it and check citations and translation issues over the next few days. Hope this helps. Hohenloh + 10:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - that's really appreciated. To keep it even simpler, I can do 95% of the English fixing myself. What I'm looking for are places where the translation or titles in cites really is hard to "get right" without good knowledge of Italian - where the actual sense of the English is wrong, not just "poor quality English" or usual bad grammar. (I need to be sure I understand what it is trying to say, but the quality of English beyond that isn't important)
To take an example, "invaso" was being translated as "invasion". Clearly wrong. It should mean something like "flooded" or "filled". But in some places it's not clear which is the right word, or the subject of the verb (third filling test of the reservoir, or third flooding test of the ground for stability?). There are probably quite a few like that.
Thanks hugely for this - it's very appreciated, more so for your helpfulness and the reasons in your reply! FT2 (Talk | email) 19:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Bernard Shaw's nationality[edit]

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Thanks for letting me know about this. Shaw was born just beside where I live in Dublin. He considered himself an Irishman. Hohenloh + 14:54, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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Brian O'Nolan / further reading[edit]

I am aware that Brain O'Nolan contributed to both magazines. However, references to them are misplaced in the section "Further reading", which lists biographies, studies etc. about the man and his works. If you think his relationship with those publications is important, why state and explain this in relevant sections of the article text? Albrecht Conz (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Dajos Béla[edit]

Hi, Hohenloh. Do you happen to know the ISBN for the 2003 edition of "Deutsche Biographische Enzyklopädie" being cited? I've searched around German catalogues/databases, but can only find references to the 2005 publication. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:40, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I think the year is wrong, and it should be 2006. If this is the case, the isbn is 3110946548, 9783110946543 . I was working via the German-language Wikipedia at the time, might have mixed up the date...
Aha, yes, that explains why I was coming up with "R" surnames when the cite was placed here in reference to Franz Grothe on page 191. I've found the entry for him here. I suspect that further information is probably to be found in other volumes, as this is Volume 4 only covering Görres to Hittorp.
For the moment, I'll add it where you've placed it at the end of the paragraph, with a ref with the page number next to Grothe. It's a bit of a sneaky way around it, but it allows time for finding other volumes of the encyclopaedia and other refs to back up the text. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Nelson's Pillar[edit]

Not sure if you are still interested in the article, but I was rummaging around some old links to Nelson's Pillar and came across a user talk page discussion you took part in here back in 2008. The other editor in that discussion is aware of recent work on the article (it just moments ago got promoted to featured article status), but I'll ping them as well to see if they remember that discussion they had with you. Carcharoth (talk) 22:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Carcharoth. I did not remember the discussion but on rereading it seem like I left the investigation to Hohenloh and did not contribute any edits. This seems moot as Francis Johnston's work has been updated and well cites now in the FA. ww2censor (talk) 22:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for that information Carcharoth - seems like a lifetime away now! Hohenloh + 22:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Bram Stoker[edit]

Hi! In 2008 you wrote that Bram Stoker was a distant relative of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Do you have any idea what source you had for that fact? I have tried to find proof for it, but I haven't had any success. I have checked with some Conan Doyle experts, but no one seems to know anything about it. Best regards, Mattias Boström — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that I got the information that they were distantly related from an online biography of Stoker, though I was also researching Conan Doyle at that time and also read several biographies of him - both of them were of Irish descent on both sides. However, I no longer have any notes from that date so I can't check this. It might be best to insert a tag ("citation needed") into the article in relation to this point or/and bring it up on the Talk page. If no-one responds then simply delete it. I was fairly new to Wikipedia in 2008 and probably didn't realize the importance of citations! Hohenloh + 15:23, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Can you help verify translations of articles from German[edit]

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There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including German , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from German. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

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All you have to do, is compare the English article to the German article, and assess them "Pass" or "Fail" (the {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} templates may be useful here). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then assessing it, that's even better, but it isn't required.) Also please note that we are assessing accuracy not completeness, so if the English article is much shorter that is okay, as long as whatever has been translated so far is factually accurate.

If you can help, please {{ping}} me here to let me know. You can add your pass/fails above, right next to each link, or you may indicate your results below. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 06:57, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Hohenloh, thanks for the message. Didn't know you were native Dutch speaker, as I didn't see it in your userboxes, but we need people who can speak Dutch even more than we do German. Can I send you a couple of English articles translated from Dutch to evaluate? Oh, and by the way, I will very occasionally translate a simple Dutch article myself. Ganzepoot is one of mine, and even though it's not part of this project that I'm looking for translators for, it would be nice to have a Dutch speaker take a look at the translation. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 17:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Mathglot - you are mixing me up with someone else (called Paul). I don't speak Dutch, I speak German. Cheers, Hohenloh + 20:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Oh, crap; I apologize; I see now what happened: they replied in your section—I don't know why they did that— and your sig is bolded and easy to see, and theirs isn't so I just assumed it was you. Sorry about that. Argh, that's embarrassing. Well, thanks for clearing that up. We still do have more German articles to look at, if you'd like some more. Mathglot (talk) 08:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
No problem, just forward the details. Hohenloh + 12:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)